AlanF
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TTH hasn't the mental horsepower to do that.
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LOL! Trying to reason with you is like trying to pick up mercury with your fingers. So I don't try anymore. Not hardly. Did you watch the Dunning-Kruger cartoon I linked to? Probably not -- it's too complicated for you.
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Here's an excellent video, just for you. It's got cartoons, so even you ought to understand it:
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Sure I did. You're just too dumb to understand. I didn't say that, you moron. If you think he was truly open, then quote him about that. Of course, you won't. Here's a good video for you. It's animated, so you should be able to understand it:
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Yeah, he pulled a gun on the Writing Department. Give it up, TTH. You're nowhere near as clever as you think.
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I know you think you're clever enough to formulate sensible metaphors, but you're far from it. More like a small petulant child.
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Complete nonsense. The fact is that you ignore nearly all answers, and then claim no answers were given. Like your partner in intellectual crime ScholarJW Pretendus, you're a pathological liar. Nothing new here; most JW apologists do exactly the same. I've given you explanations about Plate Tectonics as well as a link to a Wikipedia article. The fact that you managed to get "Teutonic" out of "Tectonic" proves that you never read or absorbed the material. Perhaps you skimmed it, looking for something you could use against science. Yet you think to make pronouncements upon the science. Such a fake!
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As physicist Wolfgang Pauli once said: "It's not even wrong!"
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Again descending into gibberish.
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Exactly. Up to about 1980, WTS writers were parroting Young-Earth Creationist writings including their so-called Flood Geology. These included the crackpot SDA writer George McCready Price and the founder of modern "Scientific Creationism" Henry Morris. Another interesting crackpot they used was Ivan Sanderson, who was one of their main sources of nonsense about "frozen mammoths" and such. Another was Henry Howorth, a mostly crackpot armchair explorer of the late 19th century who wrote the book "The Mammoth and the Flood", as well as other ridiculous works. A temperature of several hundred degrees below zero would have been required. Ivan Sanderson wrote about such nonsense in an early 1960s Saturday Evening Post article, which WTS writers quickly picked up on. All of this garbage is contradicted by actual discoveries of frozen animals, which were NOT "quick frozen". A 1970s discovery in Alaska permafrost was of an extinct bison that was killed and partly eaten by lions. One lion broke off a piece of molar in the frozen flesh. Recent discoveries in Siberia show how the freezing process worked: the summer sun melted potholes in the permafrost, leaving holes filled with cold water and mud, and often covered by thin vegetation. An animal would step on the surface, plunge into the mud/water, get stuck, then die and eventually freeze. Nothing particularly surprising. The famous Berezovka mammoth excavated by Russian scientists in the early 1900s is a good case in point: its remains indicated that it fell and broke a leg, then drowned, and gradually froze. WTS writers largely ignored the details and then used it as a prime example of "quick freezing". Good points!
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Of course he did. That's why so many of his debate opponents call him a fake, a charlatan and a liar. What ScholarJW Pretendus does is as Mommy Watchtower does -- use references to real scholars dishonestly to pretend that they support the Writer's claims.
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Arauna, as usual, is clueless, but from time to time, like a stopped clock, accidentally gets something right.
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More nonsense.
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You obviously believe that God is the ultimate generator of nonsense. Like father, like son.
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Yes, we're well aware that you think the Bible is nonsense. That's why you can't make sense of it.
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Indeed: FIRST the 70 years ends, THEN Babylon falls. In practice, the two were virtually simultaneous. Read Daniel 5. Desolation was its ultimate fate, irrespective of whether the 70 years ended in 539 or 538 or 537, you idiot.
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I hereby name you Wrongway Corrigan. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Tell that to Russell and company.
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Of course it is. Absent explicit removal, doctrines remain in place. Nonsense. I always approached such subjects with kid gloves. As usual you have no clue what you're talking about. I had discussions with elders, a circuit overseer and GB member Albert Schroeder without any problems, aside from the generalized implied threat of disfellowshipping if I did not finally assent to their view.
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True Tom Harley said: Nonsense. Of course they were. Any JW who dared to dispute these "never laws" would have been disfellowshipped. I know, because I was threatened with that when I brought up such things with elders. "Apostasy!" they said. But it's still on the books. Therefore, it's still "present truth". Ah, Behe. The Society used him as an authority until it figured out that Behe actually accepts evolution -- but a divinely guided sort. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Complete nonsense. The God-guided sort of evolution of Behe and many other Christians is anathema to Watchtower leaders. They've expressly rejected such ideas in several publications. LOL! Bullying? What do you think disfellowshipping for simply disagreeing with WTS leaders is? Hypocrite! By your 'logic' Jesus was a bully.
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True Tom Harley said: Nonsense. Tell us please: in what publication did the Society announce that it was abandoning Flood Geology? Or the ridiculous notion of a "vapor canopy"? Or admit that the "7,000-year creative days" were actually several hundred million years long (of course, the Genesis days are entirely out of sync with the fossil evidence, so the notion of a "creative day" is completely wrongheaded). Where did they openly explain why they changed "7,000 years" to "millennia" in some publications after 1985? A total misapplication of Proverbs. The passage has nothing to do with increasing "spiritual light". I doubt you're even aware that it was the Adventist community that first began misapplying Proverbs to excuse the failed predictions of William Miller. As for "tacking", it was GB member Karl Klein who originated the concept in a mid-1980s Watchtower article. Many Bethelites actually laughed at him. Of course -- which proves that God has nothing to do with them. At least, no more than with the Pope. Wrong. Critics like me are concerned with truth. We tend to get bent out of shape at anyone who falsely claims divine guidance, divine knowledge, and so forth. It's called "righteous anger", something that Jesus is said to have displayed toward similar charlatans two thousand years ago.
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Someone told me many years ago (Randall Watters?) that Schroeder let COJ's thesis sit on his desk for about three years, not knowing what to do with it. He received it around 1978. After that, there was the apostasy furor over Ray Franz and company. I'm guessing that Schroeder was spurred on to go after COJ by that whole scenario. Of course, the Society's attacking COJ, understandably, made him all the more determined to publish his material, which he did in book form in 1983 as The Gentile Times Reconsidered.
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When I write something on these topics, it most certainly has relevance to the thread. Especially when ignorant people like Arauna challenge me with crap like "you believe in the religion of evolution, so what do you know?" The very first post you moved to this new thread proves my point.
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True Tom Harley said: You should call up Fred Franz on the earth-heaven phone and instruct him that the dozens of books and magazines that discussed them at length should never have been published. The Publications Indexes contain dozens of references, such as "confirmation", which purport to use science to support the idea of an earthwide Flood. For example: w68 7/15 "Was There an Earthwide Flood?" For a thorough disproof of the Flood, and copious references to Watchtower material, see https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/part-1-general-description-of-flood.html By your 'logic', Watchtower writers were not Bible teachers until about 1980.
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Ann O'Maly said: To a certain extent, yes, but before about 1965 most Watchtower comments tended to follow Isaac Newton Vail's so-called Annular Theory of the Flood, Velikovsky, Ivan Sanderson, George McCready Price, and a few other crackpots. It was published in 1961 and to a large extent followed the ideas of George McCready Price, a Seventh-Day Adventist whose main purpose in life, since about 1900, was to defend the young-earth creationism of SDA founder Ellen White. Apparently the Watchtower (I'm guessing Fred Franz) got hold of the book and ran with it in terms of publishing defenses of the Flood. The Society even quoted from it as if it were a real science textbook. The main author, Henry Morris, went on to found the Institute for Creation Research, which published dozens of books and other materials advocating Morris' version of YECism, including Flood Geology and so-called "Scientific Creationism". Later, that spun off Answers in Genesis and other crackpot outfits such as Walter Brown's Center for Scientific Creation. Brown is so far out in left field that the other YECs will have nothing to do with him. These are Arauna's sources. One critical author called him "the very model of a crank".
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Arauna appears stuck in the pre-1980 Watchtower world, when the Society was promoting its version of Young-Earth Creationism (more properly, bits of normal YECism mixed with Russellism) and YEC Flood Geology. About 1980 the Writing Dept. abandoned much of this nonsense and mostly quit trying to justify Noah's Flood, and gradually began referring to the "creative days" as being "millennia long" rather than 7,000 years. Stuck-in-the-mud JWs like Arauna never noticed -- which was exactly why the Society never announced these changes. It would have been a bit too much for the old ones to give up on a century of Russell's nonsense. These topics are rarely discussed by JWs today, to the extent that ones under about 45 usually know nothing about the 7,000 years nonsense, much less Watchtowerish Flood Geology. Most of the younger JWs have no problem accepting normal geological dating, such as 66 million years ago for the Cretaceous Extinction of the dinosaurs. Only dinosaurs like Arauna have trouble with such dating.
