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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    https://freedomofbelief.net/articles/fecris-sentenced-in-germany-for-defaming-jehovahs-witnesses
    “The court also found that FECRIS distorts the theology and practices of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the intention of defaming them. FECRIS falsely claimed that the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that “there is a difference between men and women who receive the heavenly calling from God, in that only women ‘must receive a change of nature,’ but not men,”
    Absolutely true.  All of those men and women in the upper room during Pentecost who received the anointing, including Mary, the mother of Jesus, are depicted as men sitting behind their thrones and all looking exactly alike.  Unless Wt. removes their illustrations about the 144,000 in heaven, a picture is worth a thousand words of proof.
    that women who serve as door-to-door missionaries are “women slaves,” 
    Absolutely true.  Aren’t they considered the “large army” who pedal the doctrine of men?  (2 Tim 4:3; 2 Cor 11:20)
    and children are “compelled” to participate in the public preaching,
    Of course they are.  It is the “best life ever”; one to inspire a child’s mind as the goal for his future.
    that women in the family should not only submit to their husbands but also “to their male children,”
    Ahh, haven’t they just recently enacted damage control about this teaching?
    are “forbidden to divorce without being immediately excommunicated,”
    This happens generally in the case of abuse, but I wouldn't dismiss a case of adultery committed by the husband.  A woman who leaves such a situation can be disfellowshipped, while the man retains his good standing in the organization.
     and “cannot rebel within the home without being immediately judged by the congregation’s elders.”   
    The wt. is a misogynous organization, primarily taking the side of the man.  Can it be proven on paper?  Not if they are destroyed. It can only be proven by one’s personal testimony.
    That Jehovah’s Witnesses teenagers caught kissing are automatically “taken to a JW’s judicial committee,”
    My son and his girl friend were leaving a meeting with the girl in the passenger seat.  Immediately, two JWs reported this to the elders, since they believed there was no chaperone with them.  Of course, my son was contacted by an elder who was told the girl’s mother was in the back seat.  I can’t imagine what would have happened if he was to lean over and kiss his girlfriend, as they prepared to leave. 
    and that a young woman who stays overnight in the home of a male friend would be found guilty by a judicial committee even in the absence of other elements indicating an improper relationship, were also judged to be false and defamatory statements.
    These are not false allegations.  They have happened to people over the years and have been reported by them; people who do not have the monetary means to hire a man like M. Introvigne who will go to work to sustain wt.’s oppressive tactics securing their corrupt spiritual reign.  
    Another false claim the court regarded as defamatory was that the Jehovah’s Witnesses have announced 26 different dates for the end of the world and are now predicting it for the year 2034.
    This is a false claim???  How so?  Is their math off?  Did they forget to carry the one?
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Dear Tom, when GB members call listeners on JWTV and in literature; "Trust Us because JHVH and Jesus have full trust in Us...", don't you think how GB statement is enough twisted (distorted) and how GB lives in their twisted world with twisted reality they constantly creating in JW Church? 
    What ideology is behind the GB claim? For sure it is not about Idea, but about Ideology! 
    Thus, we have a question; What did Jesus promote? Idea or Ideology?
    What was promoted by (what is behind) Massimo Introvigne, the German court and FECRIS? Ideology.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Pudgy in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    It is my understanding that Eleanore Roosevelt was horrified at how Jehovah's Witnesses were treated after the first Supreme Court ruling on the issue of compulsory flag salute ... and influenced the Supreme Court to look at what damage they had caused, by this ruling, resulting in an unprecedented reversal on Flag Day, 1945, as World War II was raging.
    Her opinions were generally VERY highly respected.
    Perhaps we could use some of her wisdom and intelligence here.

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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    "the marketplace of ideas" :)))
    This forum with JW Open Club is marketplace of ideas, too. How would you describe the participants confronting their ideas?  Who are the buyers and who are the sellers? What is their business ethics? Are there any restrictions on what ideas are allowed? ... etc.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Unfortunately, I can only comment on an article by M. Introvign, and M.I. it is known to us from a particular and specific context from before.
    It would be good to have court documentation, so that I would be able to give a clearer "opinion".
    The article shows a detail that includes Russia and its judiciary with the JW and with "Western democracy." In this case, German democracy gives an opinion on Russia and its domestic policy towards the JW. This creates a problem and doubts the objectivity of the German court. On the other hand, we have the example of American courts that do not want to enter into theological debates and evaluate what and how which religion teaches and how it disciplines and guide its members. It does not discuss the internal rules and methods of church bodies. According to the article, this is also about such things.
    quote: The court also found that FECRIS distorts the theology and practices of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the intention of defaming them
    WTJWorg in Germany seeks the opinion and approval of the court that certain JW theology and practices are correct. From whose point of view should it be correct? Court view? They also ask the court to declare certain observations of external observers to be false. It is possible that someone at FECRIS did not do a good research so he said the inaccuracy. ... quote: (Sometimes, it is unclear whether FECRIS activists, who claim to be experts on “cults,” are in bad faith or simply incompetent. They published the case of a 17-year-old Dutch girl who died during a measles epidemic in 2013 after her parents had refused vaccination for religious reasons and implied she was a Jehovah’s Witnesses. In fact, she was a member of a Calvinist Christian Reformed congregation, i.e., belonged to a church known for being a staunch opponent of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.)
    How the elders (and JW lawyers) in the Judicial Communities working, is evident from some other court documents and videos. If the elders were to make their notes available, (if they were written) rather than destroyed them as instructed by the GB Legal Department and representatives, then perhaps this “story” should be different. 
    quote: The German Jehovah’s Witnesses asked the District Court of Hamburg to examine 32 statements. The court found 17 of them defamatory, one partially defamatory, and 14 non-defamatory. 
    What is the content of these 14 and 1/2 ? They are true, right? Can you find out what this is about?
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Outside, or inside the organization? Outside, they most certainly fight to impose their view on others through legislation.  They always have through history.    Inside?  Soft violence is used every day by the GB against the anointed.  Matt 24:48-51  When someone tells you not to seek out and gather with brothers and sisters to read and study the word of God, that is "soft" violence enacted against a people - a spiritual nation.   These are "living" temple stones figuratively scattered throughout the congregations of JWs; yet, surrounded by elder "Gentiles". (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)  Soft violence can crush an individual into submission; or worse, into spiritual destruction.  Luke 19:44; 21:6      (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
     
    "other faiths"...the faith promoted by the organization is total reliance on...the organization.  This is a faith contrary to what the scriptures teach.  The "other faith" found in the organization is within the hearts of the anointed and should be practiced by them.  But, they have become submissive to "organizational" faith under the rule of men.  Is any tolerance found regarding where their faith should lie?  
    "For although we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, 4 since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments 5 and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ. "  2 Cor 10:4,5
    that is raised up against the knowledge of God,
    Nowhere can it be found in the scriptures that support the rulership of "uncircumcised" men over God's anointed Temple dwelling.   (Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Matt 24:15,16)  
    the demolition of strongholds.
    What is the stronghold that will be demolished by the Word of God, the Spirit of God?  The mountainlike organization that destroys His people with soft violence.  Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8; 13:5-7; 19:20; Isa 2:12-18
    If only the anointed and all JWs would realize to...
     Put no more trust in a mere human,
    who has only the breath in his nostrils.
    What is he really worth?  Isa 2:22
    The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-ups-pressure-on-youtube-facebook-to-hand-over-infringers-details-210523/
    After filing a lawsuit against the creator of the 'DubTown' Lego stop motion series, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, has yet more alleged infringers in its sights. In addition to targeting more YouTube users, Watch Tower is attempting to find out the identities of people posting its songs to Facebook.
    As the owner of various copyright-protected works, including many registered at the US Copyright Office, the group is allowed to send DMCA takedown notices to have content removed from online platforms. As the law requires, platforms like YouTube comply with these requests but it appears that is just not enough for Watch Tower.
     
    As reported last weekend, an individual who created a series of stop-motion Lego animations is currently being sued by Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. ‘Kevin McFree’ was first targeted in 2018 via a DMCA subpoena but with that legal process stalled, Watch Tower filed a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit.
    McFree (not his/her real name) is currently proceeding as a John Doe, since the earlier DMCA subpoena failed to uncover the animator’s real identity after Watch Tower met resistance from McFree’s lawyer. However, DMCA subpoenas – which do not necessarily require oversight from a judge – can prove a useful tool in obtaining people’s real names and addresses.
    While this is a problem for alleged copyright infringers in any matter (such as those that involve copyright trolls), in Watch Tower related cases there is a chance that once identified, people who are current members (or have family members still in the church) could face much broader social consequences. As a result, staying anonymous carries additional importance.
    Watch Tower Files a New Wave of DMCA Subpoenas
    Watch Tower is no stranger to filing for DMCA subpoenas to compel YouTube to hand over the details of alleged infringers, and these can sometimes get quite messy. This week, however, Watch Tower appears to be increasing the pressure significantly.
    In a wave of DMCA subpoenas targeting YouTube and also Facebook, the religious group is hoping to find out the real identities of people who uploaded Jehovah’s Witness content to the platforms. At least as far as the evidence provided reveals, none are serial infringers or mass uploaders.
    In all cases, Watch Tower appears to have identified either a single upload on YouTube or Facebook, which were previously tackled by sending DMCA notices to the relevant platforms, targeting the specific content, which was removed.
    Demands for All Subscriber Information
    In all four cases, either YouTube or Facebook are asked to hand over “all identifying information, including subscriber registration information” including their “name(s), address(es), telephone number(s), [and] any electronic mail addresses” associated with the allegedly infringing accounts.
    Since the content has already been subjected to takedown requests, preventing ongoing infringement doesn’t appear to be a key issue. However, since Watch Tower wants to personally identify the people in question, it is possible that it will seek to communicate with them directly. What shape those conversations will take is unknown but there could be additional consequences if the group can link the alleged infringers or their family members directly to the church.
     
    And of course, as the lawsuit against Kevin McFree shows, there is also the possibility of a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit, which at least carries the potential for up to $150,000 in statutory damages, if guilt is proven. Either way, if the people can be identified there is no good outcome.
    The DMCA subpoena applications and supporting documents can be found below:
    1. YouTube (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
    2. YouTube (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
    3. Facebook (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
    4. Facebook (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
    Matthew  5 : 38 through 45
     “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment; 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.43  “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.
    And the GB and their lawyers continue to disobey Christ, because the GB love money and power more than they love God. 
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    GB Interpretation:
    With a little help by/with from WTJWorg GB Lawyers/Legal Department? 
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    If the leaders of the organization were genuinely living for the Kingdom to come, they would drop all of this crap and walk away.  But, their kingdom is of THIS world, and like the evil one, they don’t want to lose it. (John 18:36; 1 John 5:19)  They have taught their followers to also support their cause, to support their kingdom, and their lies; which is alienated from the kingdom that lies in the hearts of those in Jesus Christ.  (Luke 17:21; 1 Cor 3:16)  It has nothing to do with earthly treasures or legal rights. (Luke 4:5,6; Matt 6:19-21) 
    The leaders have been living under a cloak of apparent humility, but the intentions of their hearts are becoming quite clear to the world at large.  No longer can they hide their true selves, that which lies beneath white-washed tombs. Matt 23:27,28 
    God is concerned with the "legal system" that His holy people live under - His saints/anointed and all JWs who put up with internal organizational corruption.  To believe that the Wt. is innocent on all accounts, and that its sins are ignored by the Father and Jesus Christ, is pure foolishness.
    Woe to the rebellious children!
    This is the Lord’s declaration.
    They carry out a plan, but not mine;
    they make an alliance,
    but against my will,
    piling sin on top of sin.
    2 Without asking my advice
    they set out to go down to Egypt
    in order to seek shelter under Pharaoh’s protection
    and take refuge in Egypt’s shadow.
    Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
    and inscribe it on a scroll;
    it will be for the future,
    forever and ever.
    9 They are a rebellious people,
    deceptive children,
    children who do not want to listen to the Lord’s instruction.
    Therefore the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message
    and have trusted in oppression and deceit,
    and have depended on them,
    13 this iniquity of yours will be
    like a crumbling gap,
    a bulge in a high wall
    whose collapse will come in an instant—suddenly!
    14 Its collapse will be like the shattering
    of a potter’s jar, crushed to pieces,
    so that not even a fragment of pottery
    will be found among its shattered remains—
    no fragment large enough to take fire from a hearth
    or scoop water from a cistern.”  Isaiah 30
    The Kingdom - 1914?
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in NO EXPENSE IS SPARED   
    It will even have a car wash!    
    Why a car wash on land where wetlands are federally and state protected?  This organization has a dark history of polluting other property secretly.   They put up a new front of caring for the land and using environmentally sound building techniques.  But the history of their coverup, will not go away.  
    If anyone is ecstatic about this proposal, I ask, why?  
     
    What you need to know about the 1.7-million-square-foot Watchtower project 
     
    By  Peter Katz  -  May 22, 2021   The environmental review of a plan by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc. to build a 1.7-million-square-foot audio-visual production center with residences on 242 acres of property it owns in Sloatsburg in Rockland County with another 7 acres in Tuxedo in Orange County moves into the public hearing phase on May 26. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the nonprofit that oversees Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Ramapo Town Board scheduled the public hearing for the project’s Draft Environmental Impact Statement. Following the hearing, the board will receive public comments on the DEIS until June 21.
    A rendering of the project. At the same time, the board will be conducting public hearings on a proposed zoning amendment and an amendment to the town’s Comprehensive Plan for the project.
    According to Harold Corkern, Watchtower’s president, the production center would be used for the creation and production of sound, video and film recordings.
    In addition, there would be living, recreational and worship facilities for employees who work at the facility as well as volunteers who assist there on a temporary basis. The street address given for the proposed facility is 155 Sterling Mine Road. The world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses is in nearby Warwick, about a 3-minute drive from the site of the proposed production center.
    Corkern notes that Ramapo’s Zoning Code makes no provision for a facility of the type being proposed and Watchtower is asking that a new zoning district, Mixed Use-3, be applied to the property.
    He said that in 2005 the land was rezoned to its current special residential housing district  and a subdivision plan was approved that would have allowed 292 homes to be built on the land in an active-adult community. There would have been 876 bedrooms in the 292 homes, according to Corkern, compared with 645 bedrooms that Watchtower is proposing.
    There would be 10 residential buildings totaling more than 711,000 square feet. There would be 323,949 square feet of offices. A fitness center would occupy 19,378 square feet, a car wash would take up 3,355 square feet and a central energy plant would cover 17,550 square feet.
    The actual production studios would encompass 120,000 square feet with an additional 30,000 square feet of support and maintenance space. Other facilities would include a 118,075-square-foot visitor center, a 33,913-square-foot reception center and a 129,718-square-foot events facility. Outside there would be a backlot along with a sports field. According to documents on file with the town, none of the proposed buildings would be taller than 75 feet.
    Watchtower proposes to build a 95,000-square-foot parking garage at the site. Additional parking would be in the lowest level of each residential building as well as the events facility, reception center, office building and visitor center. There would be a total of 1,143 indoor spaces for vehicles, including buses, with an additional 138 spaces at grade level. The equivalent surface area for all of the parking spaces totals 10.9-acres, according to information in the DEIS.
    Watchtower states that no school-age children would live at the facility.
    The buildings would be heated and cooled using geothermal heat pumps. At least some  building construction would be done using mass timber, a category of wood product that is being promoted as a low-carbon alternative to concrete and steel construction.
    Information in the DEIS indicates that approximately 104 acres of the property would be disturbed for the development. It says the overall landscaping approach is to keep as much native vegetation in place as possible while restoring disturbed areas to their native state of woods or meadow.
    Small areas of lawn are planned for the site with native trees and shrubs being used for the majority of the site, which it is said will help control stormwater runoff. There are both federally and state protected wetlands on the property as well as areas of steep slopes, bedrock outcroppings and undisturbed forests, all sensitive environmental features.
    https://westfaironline.com/136538/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-1-7-million-square-foot-watchtower-project/
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    I just found this on JW Org.
    What Does the Bible Say About Revenge?
    The Bible’s answer
      Even though a person may feel justified in taking revenge, doing so goes against the Bible’s counsel: “Do not say: ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will get even with him.” (Proverbs 24:29, footnote) The Bible contains advice that has helped many overcome a desire for revenge.   What is wrong with seeking revenge?
    If someone offended or harmed you, it is natural to feel angry and to want the other person to be punished for what he or she did. However, taking personal revenge is not in harmony with the Bible’s message. Why?
    When humans seek their own revenge, it displeases God. In the Bible, Jehovah  God says: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” (Romans 12:19) The Bible encourages those who have been wronged to seek peaceful ways to resolve matters when possible instead of pursuing revenge. (Romans 12:18) But what if such peaceful avenues are exhausted or unavailable? The Scriptures admonish us to trust in Jehovah to right all wrongs.—Psalm 42:10, 11.
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    It's not about being happy with it, it's about having a true Christian personality and being obedient to the words of God through Christ. And acting in harmony with the scriptures : 
    Hebrews 10 : 32 though 34.
    However, keep remembering the former days in which, after you were enlightened, you endured a great struggle along with sufferings. 33  At times you were publicly exposed both to reproaches and to tribulations, and at times you shared with those who were having such an experience. 34  For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession.
    So it seems that the GB should accept joyfully what is happening. But they have no true faith and therefore they will not be obedient to God. 
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    But what you are deliberately avoiding is the fact that Jesus understood law and true justice BUT he said those words I quoted from Matthew.. Jesus did not say take them all to court and grab as much money as you can when you sue them. 
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    In all four cases, either YouTube or Facebook are asked to hand over “all identifying information, including subscriber registration information” including their “name(s), address(es), telephone number(s), [and] any electronic mail addresses” associated with the allegedly infringing accounts.
    You Tube and Facebook could easily avoid this. They only need to declare themselves a kind of religion and appoint their employees or volunteers as clergy. They could then invoke the priestly privilege of not disclosing privileged information about their members.
    Because WTJWorg and JW are actually legal entities, they are a firm / business. In this context, everything they "intellectually" produce is their "property". BUT, there is a problem of another kind. WTJWorg claims that all of this/that is “spiritual food” that comes from God and Christ, because they are, reportedly, led by HS to write magazines and books, to make songs and movies. If it is truly “spiritual food from God,” then it is not the property of WTJWorg and JW nor in any way. Neither in a legal sense, nor in an intellectual sense. Nor is it for moral and ethical reasons. For they cannot prove before any Court, or Judicial Committee, that it was God who chose exactly them to defend the intellectual-doctrinal property of God or Christ.
    If WTJWorg and JW have a problem because of the content or the way other people comment, criticize, or reveal the religious teaching of the JW Church, then that is another topic. Well, doesn't it say in the Bible: For free you have received, for free you have given. If WTJWorg and JW truly believe this, then WTJWorg's lawsuits are completely outside the teachings of the Bible. 
    By this it would be that the requirement/lawsuits sought by WTJWorg and JW is contrary to Biblical principles. Any and each JW who acts contrary to Biblical Principles is not a Witness for either YHVH or Christ.
    The irony and hypocrisy is that WTJWorg teaches how members have to suffer evil and not retaliate against “enemy attacks”, but wait for JHVH to give comfort and strength to endure. Strength To Endure, not Strength to Fight Back. :))
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to TrueTomHarley in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Of course. Originate your own content and nobody has a problem. 
    Anyone posting on the internet knows that pictures from ANYONE cannot be used without authorization. You get around that by obtaining authorization, using your own photos, or finding public domain sources. I run into this all the time with my own posts.
    As for text, when the intention of anything other than brief “fair use” passages is to misrepresent and beat them over the head with it, of course they will not be happy about it. 
    Only a dodo would read paranoia into it.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    Yeah, sure looks like the end is coming any day now.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    So I did a little bit of digging as to this name above.
    Among their corporations, the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses cares for matters specific to Jehovah's Witnesses special full-time servants. In a particular branch, traveling overseers, special pioneers, and branch staff are considered members of the Order of Special Full-time Servants and the Bethel Family.[16] Globally, their order is the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[17] Male and female members of such religious orders typically make a formal vow of poverty and are granted certain status and exemptions by many governments. While Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider members of their religious orders to be a clergy separate from other Witnesses, who are also ordained ministers, they do recognize that a government may consider them such for administrative purposes.
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    The Order of Special Full-Time Servants appears to be a religious order of Jehovah's Witnesses. What is a religious order in the context of Witness theology? Is it theologically meaningful at all? To what purpose do people join this order? When do they leave? (Do they leave?) How does the whole thing work?
     
     yb95 pp. 5-6 Jehovah’s Witnesses—1995 Yearbook Report ***
    Among the full-time workers were 15,145 members of the global Bethel family. They help to provide literature, supervision, and other beneficial services in support of the worldwide work of Bible education. Of these, 5,082 serve at the world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, and at nearby facilities. All of them are members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, a religious order that is devoted exclusively to the ministry.
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    Unfortunately a lot of info' / web pages are blocked from UK viewers. So it was difficult to get any real details. 
    Yes I did try JW Org site, but no results came up. But once again I didn't see the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses  connected to the  W&BTS ??? 
     
     
     
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    https://rcbizjournal.com/2021/05/18/ramapo-now-accepting-public-comment-on-proposed-jehovahs-witnesses-hq-in-sloatsburg/
    A DEIS Hearing Will Be Held May 26;  Public Comments Period Ends June 21
     
    The Town of Ramapo will be accepting public comment on the proposed new World Headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses Audio/Video Production Center now that the DEIS (Draft Environmental Impact Statement) is complete. There is a DEIS hearing on May 26 and public comments will be accepted until June 21.
    The 1.7 million square-foot project, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, is slated for 155 Sterling Mine Road in largely Sloatsburg and partly in Tuxedo in Orange County. Of the 249 acres, 242 are located in Ramapo; the balance is in Tuxedo. The Tuxedo portion of land will be used for secondary driveway access.
    The religious order, known as the Worldwide Order of Special Full Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses, is hoping to build an A/V production center with audio and video production studios and facilities to support operations of the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The facilities include offices, maintenance and set production workshops, and a central chilled/hot water plant with geothermal heat recovery system. Accommodations for resident staff include 645 residential units (545 one-bedroom and 100 studio units), dining/assembly spaces,  recreation/wellness/fitness facilities, and a clinic.
    ( Is this a new title for some of the JWs ? And if so why ?  I have said before they have many different Orgs. )
    The religious order purchased the land in 2009 for $11.5 million.
    The proposed live/work facility is integral to the religious missionary and educational work of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Occupants will be members of the Order, all of whom are adults without minor children who live under a vow of obedience and poverty, or adult religious volunteers, who will be assisting on a short-term basis.
    So, whos wording is this ? I've only copied and pasted it. I did note is says Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses, not servants of GOD. 
    So is this no part of the Watchtower Society either then ? 
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Thank you and I'm sorry for your loss as well.
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to TrueTomHarley in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    On the other hand, upon resurrection, if it should turn out that God has really done this, perhaps she could thank him for having given her a heads-up in advance so she wouldn’t be one of those who went down. 
    And if it should turn out that he hasn’t done this, that there are more survivors than she envisioned, where’s the beef?
    ”Destruction of the wicked” has been a Bible theme from the moment pen was put to parchment. All but the most liberal of churches have it to some degree. Many put it far worse that JWs do, by preaching that God would torment the wicked FOREVER in hell, as payback for just A FEW DECADES of wrongdoing. Doesn’t your church believe something like that?
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    But isn't the GB / W/t teaching that one 'has to be a baptised JW to be saved' ?  This is a serious question Tom ? 
    So will you give us your personal opinion ?  What do YOU teach others ? Is it only God's 'real' enemies, those in direct opposition, that will be killed, or, is it all non JWs that will  be killed ?  
    The fact that JWs on this forum call us non JWs 'enemies of God' or 'apostates', seems to answer the question quite well but it would be nice to know how JWs really feel. But then it would also be nice to know who on here are genuine JWs  
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    Man of Lawlessness = Christendom?  
    2 Thess 2:1-4 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 
    3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 
    4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
    What is God's Temple?  I'll let you answer that:
    “The Sealing of the 144,000 Is At Hand”…
    The scriptures do indicate some insight to what he meant,  "But he was talking about the temple of his body." (John 2:21)  Notice the scripture doesn't state his fleshly body for his fleshly body was to be sacrificed once and for all time, but rather 'the temple of his body.' 
    If Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of God's temple, then there must be other stones? The scripture gives us evidence that others are also included as God’s temple that Jesus Christ himself would raise up. "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)  Again, this did not happen in a 72 hour period but rather the process of raising up the foundation of the living stones began on Pentecost 33 CE. 
    The Apostle Peter referred to the temple by stating, "As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:4-5)
    Can the Body of Christ be the same as God’s temple? Yes. “Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ.” (1 Cor 12:12)  "For just as we have in one body many members, but the members do not all have the same function, so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but individually we are members belonging to one another." (Romans 12:4) 
     So when can the 144,000 of God’s temple be raised up?
    4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
    Can you explain how Christendom will or has, "set himself up", which means "rule" over the anointed Temple of God?
    Who has authority over the anointed priesthood/Temple of God in the organization?  Who judges them, and acts as their "representative"?  Who utilizes their "clergy status" when it is convenient?
    2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 
    Do you realize that it is the Wt which asserts that the "day of the Lord" has already come? 1914.
     
     
     
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    Yes you can see the lovely union they boast to have:)
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Anna in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    I don’t think she's in a position to make that choice right now. But no one is going to be made to stay in paradise, they can leave whenever they want right? Maybe she will change her mind...
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