Patiently waiting for Truth

Many Religions have removed God's Holy and Sacred Name claiming Jehovah is a made up Name. If that was true, then why leave names in the Bible that bear witness to the Name JEHOVAH, like Jesus, John, and Elijah along with many others??
Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation' John means 'Jehovah has been Gracious' Elijah means 'My God is Jehovah' Hallelujah means 'Praise Jah" which is short for Jehovah

Many Religions have removed God's Holy and Sacred Name claiming Jehovah is a made up Name. If that was true, then why leave names in the Bible that bear witness to the Name JEHOVAH, like Jesus, John, and Elijah along with many others??
Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation' John means 'Jehovah has been Gracious' Elijah means 'My God is Jehovah' Hallelujah means 'Praise Jah" which is short for Jehovah

Matthew 5 : 43 - 47 
Berean Study Bible
You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?
The words of Yeshua tell us to love our enemies and to pray for them. Sometimes it is difficult to follow Christ's words. 
Have a good day Mr Carroll. 

I love this. It makes clear that the Leaders of the Watchtower are appostates. 
There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching 
Teaching that Armageddon would happen in the 1940's, the 1970's, before the year 2000, 
Teaching that the rest of the Anointed ones must not gather togeher in prayer or Bible study.
and much more. 
Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
Thank you Mr Carroll. Have a good day. 

I find it upbuilding to my faith in YHWH through Yesua that i am disliked by people on both sides.
I have just been in discussion with two homosexuals on facebook. I explained to them God's new world to come and of the coming Judgement time. And i gave them warning of what would happen to those that did not try to serve God properly. I was accused of 'hate crime'. 
And then I come on here and again I'm accused of hate, but this time it's by a JW that pretends to serve God.
I only hate the things that God hates. And if my suggestion of proving points by using scripture is seen as hate OCD, then so be it. 
May you all have peace.  
 
 

No, I didn't ignore it.  
“And they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the fortified camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and consumed them.”  Rev 20:9
Interpreted also as:
“way across the earth”
“breadth of the earth”
“expanse of the earth”
The anointed are from all nations, tribes and people.  (Rev 5:9,10) As are JWs. Rev 11:3,4,7-10
Jehovah’s Witnesses are in around 240 lands found over the “breadth of the earth”.  In every congregation where there may be an anointed one, who “takes the lead”?  The anointed one, or the elders?
“And he (“Jehovah”) wants those in the congregation to obey the elders. Wt 2/2021 pgs 14-19
“You can thus understand why elders in congregations around the globe earn their fellow Witnesses’ love, respect, and honor.” Wt 17/3/11
Any anointed in a congregation is “surrounded” by a body of elders who expects their obedience, love, and HONOR; because, they are told to expect it, by a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51)
The elders rule over the anointed.  Deut 17:15; Rev 9:4,5
There is no disputing it.  If anointed don’t accept their position, the position of the GB, the existence of the organization as belonging to God, their stance on doctrine, they are disfellowshipped. John 16:2; Rev 13:15
There is an evil I have seen under the sun,
As an error proceeding from the ruler:
6 Folly is set in exalted positions,
While the rich sit in a lowly place. (Prov 10:22;13:7; 2 Cor 8:9; Eph 1:7)
7 I have seen servants on horses,
While princes (Isa 10:8; Rev 5:9,10) walk on the ground like servants.  Eccl 10
6 Folly is set in exalted positions,
While the rich sit in a lowly place.
“Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:3,4
 

Nope.  Adam and Eve were perfect and sinned.  Wt's thousand year doctrine erases all faithfulness by those examples of imperfect people written in the Bible; examples we already have, and so many more kept in God's memory who will receive eternal life without being tested again.  JWs have no concept of Satan's deceptive powers, or how long he can wait it out before he leads people to their sudden death.  Deceit is used in Rev 20:7-9.  That can take a long time to develop. Use the birth and development of your organization as a template.   I am faulting your organization's leaders for convincing millions that they must become perfect to be tested by Satan.    This is bogus, as I already pointed out.  
God knows each of our heart's potential before we are ever born.  (Ps 58:3; Jer 1:5)

We can see, that the Org is not the only one making sense of the bible.
All things in the Bible 2006
Jesus also quoted many of the prophets in his references to the Day of the Lord, emphasizing that he was continuing the well-known tradition. Both Hebrew and Christian apocalyptic literature have references to the Day of the Lord or Judgment Day. As noted, the prophets looked forward to that time when God will come in judgment, the final battle against the forces of evil—“Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog, barbarian tribes of the North” (Ezek. 38–39). “Assembled for a fierce attack upon Israel in the mountains near Jerusalem, they will suffer a terrible and crushing defeat, and Israel’s land will thenceforth forever remain the seat of God’s kingdom” (Kaufmann Kohler 2004). This final cataclysmic scene of Armageddon will end with the defeat of the heathen nations forever, and God’s kingdom will be established on earth. According to the New Testament writers, the New Jerusalem will be a city that needed no temple, for God himself will dwell in it. p.165
Aside from making a few adjustments to the wording like "Israel" to "Spiritual Israel" and the "barbarian tribes of the north" to "all nations" then we have confidence, the Org is interpreting the bible correctly. 

I think I have been on this forum since 2016..... (I have not checked it).   In that time I  have come to know the remarks of  of some of the extremely nasty apostates on here.  I usually ignore them. It is rare that I answer them unless they get into their usual MO. I then point out to them that they are acting in character. 
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Commentator. The only thing your list can prove is imperfection that existed in Jesus time. If you look at your list, you will find, plenty of bible proof that many things in your list are actually taken from the bible. While your passion is to condemn a certain Org, you are actually condemning the words of God.
Now, some in your list, are schemes, as you put it, are made by men to discredit the Org. That's not the Org's fault, that is a misleading interpretation from the opposition. 
However, Those are personal views that a bible discussion can do without. 

Being overhanded is a bit much, as you call an impersonal discussion. Bible discussion imply just that, a discussion of the bible. There should be no personal interaction with someone's personality or character. I see, you just made a point clear with another commentator that is opposed to the Org.
If they shouldn't be able to excuse themselves, why should we?

Full blown hate=OCD again.....    ....  Same old same old rehash , rehash MO. 

I am sorry if you feel I have offended you, but I've always had an aversion to deception.  
We'll stick to the Bible then.  🙂
 

This is wierd. An apostate claims if we see things from her viewpoint that somehow we can begin to understand?
@Patiently waiting for Truth 
accusses several posters of having the same multi-aliases claims to have left the organzition when she was actually disfellowshiped for threatening the Governing Body refuses to name the Children Home Center where she claims she was a victim refuses to name the person or persons that engaged in Pedophilia with her Aren't Children Home Centers funded by government agencies and various churches of Babylon the Great?  
JW.org and the Governing Body condems such horrendous acts of violence.  Many people whom we come into contact with have been victims looking for solace, comfort, and hope for a better life.  If you are a victim or contemplating hurting yourself or suicide. Please seek professional help.
 
Seeking answers to why this happening can provide you with a much better outlook...
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People have good reasons for being in disagreement with the Watchtower / GB / JW Org. 
1. The Child Sexual Abuse / Pedophilia problem within the org earthwide.
2. The crying wolf of the Watchtower / JW org concerning Armageddon.  1941, the 1960's - 75, before the end of the century/ year 2000, et al. Putting a date on it, when Yeshua said 'no one would know'.
3. The restrictions placed on the Anointed by the GB.. The GB exalting themselves from 2013, calling themselves the F&DS, but saying that the rest of the Anointed were not.  Then the GB telling others of the Anointed not to meet together for prayer or Bible study, and saying that the Anointed would be working against the Holy Spirit if they did meet together.
4. Misusing the Two Witness rule. 
5. Shunning and disfellowshipping unfairly, without showing mercy.
6. Continualy changing teachings / doctrines, pretending it is 'new light'.
So, in fact, the GB and the Org does promote man made schemes. 
If you could prove your points purely by scripture, and by comparing those scriptures in different translations, then you would be working with God through Christ. For it is the Word of God that is sharper than a two edged sword 
Hebrews 4:12 
Berean Literal Bible
For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even as far as the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrows, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 
And if you could be balanced and see things from the viewpoint of those you may call apostates, then maybe your heart could become warm and you may begin to understand. 

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Okay.  Is this why the GB are saying a "Gog of Magog" will attack JWs and the anointed "Israel" in your rank?  I don't recall the GB blaming this attack on unfaithful JWs in your rank, do you?
 

Can you tell me of an event in the Bible when other nations attacked Israel and took them captive or conquered them, simply because they were faithful to God’s decrees?
I know of none. Gog of Magog in Ezekiel 38 attacked Israel because they were sinning and committing idolatry. (Ezek 38:8-11; 39:21-24)  Wt. and you, can’t pull those names out of a hat and change the reason why they came upon God’s people.  You can’t take a historic event based on the unfaithfulness practiced by Israel, and change its dynamics by saying today’s political nations will attack for no reason; that they will come upon a faithful, obedient people. 
Nope, that is not consistent with the examples we have in God’s word.
“These things happened to them as examples and were written for our instruction, on whom the ends of the ages have come.  So let the one who thinks he is standing be careful that he does not fall. ” 1 Cor 10:11,12
In the last days, God’s people are taken captive (Col 2:8) and are slandered/trampled by the Beast from the Sea. Are you aware of this?  Is it because they are following God’s decrees, as you believe, or because they were influenced by their deceptive choice to follow the decrees of men and their idol? ( Col 2:8; Rev 9:1-6; 13:10,18, 5-7; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
They’ve fallen into a snare; still, they made the choice. (Ezek 12:10,11,13; Jer 5:26; Eccl 9:12)  God allows it because Satan demands to test each anointed one; especially before the Kingdom arrives.  (Luke 22:31; Amos 3:5; 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 12:1-4)
To be consistent with scriptural examples, when your version of Gog and Magog come upon millions at the end of your thousand-year doctrine after Armageddon, will it be because God’s people are faithful, or because they are sinning in paradise?
Sin in paradise for an immeasurable amount of time?  That’s what your doctrine is alluding to.  When Satan deceives, sin follows. (Rev 20:7)
“But understand this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of themselves,
Are JWs leaders lovers of themselves?  Most certainly, they have an air of arrogance while also appearing pious.  They have convinced their followers to be lovers of themselves. Contrary to scriptural examples, they have convinced them that nations will attack them, not because they are sinning, but because they are righteous.   
…lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, (the Father, the Son, Isa 9:6, and the New Covenant “woman”/mother, Gal 4:26)  ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, opposed to what is good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, loving pleasure rather than loving God. 
5 They will maintain the outward appearance of religion but will have repudiated its power. So avoid people like these. 6 For some of these insinuate themselves into households (the preaching work) and captivate weak women(2 Cor 11:2-4) who are overwhelmed with sins and led along by various passions. 7 Such women are always seeking instruction, yet never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
Traditionally called, "new light".
And just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these people—who have warped minds and are disqualified in the faith—also oppose the truth. (2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12)  9 But they will not go much further, for their foolishness will be obvious to everyone, just like it was with Jannes and Jambres."  2 Tim 3
I know you would never consider that these scriptures apply to the organization and its people, but it isn’t called a Wild Beast from the Sea, simply for nothing.  (Rev 13:1,2; Isa 57:20)
 
Armageddon, Time Table of Kingdoms

Indeed.

Okay, thank you. I wasn't aware I was dealing with a subversive cult. I thought this form was for, Christian discussions, not a smearing campaign. 
I don't know who, those people they speak of are, Wally McNasty, Allen, Billy the Kid. Furthermore, I guess those people left a long-lasting impression. 
I thought the insults were coming from my poor English. Now, I understand, it's because of some delusion. Thanks again.
 

It is a continuous accusation against the anointed.  Each anointed one must conquer Satan.  What's the next verse?
"They conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; for they did not love their lives to the point of death."  Rev 12:11
Is this a testimony about the organization?
The anointed under the "woman" covenant, have been spiritually "killed" by the Beast/organization for their testimony of Jesus.
"So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went away to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep God’s commandments and hold to the testimony about Jesus."  Rev 12:17
Rev 11:3,5,7,11
Do you really think the GB will not fight tooth and nail to prevent themselves from suffering for Jesus' sake?   They fight to defend their rights as an earthly organization, while all who speak of Jesus as the way to  salvation, AND NOT THE ORGANIZATION, suffer at the hands of the GB through disfellowshipping and shunning.    
Any who do suffer for Christ's truth, are following the path he took.  Matt 5:11,12
 
 

Commentator Patiently. You are now a nuisance and hostile to this discussion. I recommend no one pay attention to your ramblings. It's odd that you use the word patiently, when you have none.
You should convey your sentiment of twisting comments to the commentator witness that is twisting the meaning found in the bible.
Owner, is there anyway I can block this commentator?

You quote me because you know I'm under 'warning' from @The Librarian and there fore I will not be led into your trap. 
but I do wonder if it was you that actually reported me   Have a most wonderful day Mr Carroll. 
I note that your comment is still quoting from MEN though. God's word is so much more reliable. 

You quote me because you know I'm under 'warning' from @The Librarian and there fore I will not be led into your trap. 
but I do wonder if it was you that actually reported me   Have a most wonderful day Mr Carroll. 
I note that your comment is still quoting from MEN though. God's word is so much more reliable. 

It can easily be seen that this Chioke person twists comments just as he did in previous guises. Billy the Kid / Allen et al.