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Jesus commanded us to not go after anyone who claims the end is here, aka “the time is at hand”.
“And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.” Luke 21:8
According to Jesus, we are commanded to not listen to the governing body, we are commanded to not listen to JW’s, and we are commanded to not listen to anyone else who’s proclaiming the one message Jesus said to not proclaim, “the time is at hand”. If we do listen to these men, it proves we are being disobedient to Jesus. Is it really something so simple as a wrong prediction, or, is it rather a blatant disregard for Jesus’ command?

I remember when you used that argument when 7 GB were ruling.  Now, it's 8.  Oops!
This is all I'm saying about 1914 for the benefit of those with eyes that see and ears that hear.  (Isa 29:18)
Do birth pains follow a birth?  Your governing leaders seem to think so.
After God’s Messianic kingdom was born in the heavens at the close of the Gentile Times in 1914, Satan the Devil and his army of demon angels were cast down in defeat from heaven to the vicinity of this earth. Wt 76/12/15
What were those events from 1914 onward, according to what Jesus said in his prophecy? Why was the “end” “not yet” after those initial events?7 As in the case of nineteen centuries ago, the international war, the food shortages, the pestilences and earthquakes, were a “beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matt. 24:8) 
Today's "Gentile times" have NOT ended.  “Gentiles” in the form of the elder body presently trample the anointed priesthood and Temple of God in the organization. Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31,32,36; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1-3; Eccl 10:5-7
 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
 
 Jesus was established as king in the first century.  Ps 110:1,2; 1 Pet 3:22; Matt 28:18; 1 Cor 15:25,24; Eph 1:20-23

I obviously am, being included in your comments all the time. If you didn’t do that, my attention would probably wander elsewhere, but you keep dragging it back here.
You’re not really much of a people person, are you?

But we know by their teachings that they were not false prophets. Their teachings have remained down to this day.   We also know by the teachings of the WT's leaders that they ARE false prophets.  
False prophets do not derive their prophesy through inspiration from God.  They derive this inspiration to deceive, from the evil one.  
We have solid proof that your leaders are false teachers/false prophets, just as we have solid proof that Jesus and the apostles are genuine teachers of truth.
We recognize both groups by their "fruits", of which a massive amount of your leader's fruits have ended up in the trash, as @Srecko Sostar has brought to our attention.  (John 15:1-8; Matt 7:15-19)
Your leader's fruits have not remained, even for the brief time period the organization has been in existence. 
"You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."  John 15:16

It’s not just the Bible students, the witnesses keep repeating the same exact message.

Don't you realize that the words of the prophets are relative to the last days as well? 
but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.  Rev 10:7
 

The account of the marriage feast, and the parable of the foolish and wise virgins, both show that only a remnant of the anointed are sealed.  Rev 20:9; 12:17; Isa 1:9; Amos 7:5; Luke 17:26-28-30; 1 Pet 3:20 

More than half of what say doesn't make much sense to me.  But, "learn" who spiritual Israel is.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200027356

These inspired men, were sent by God.  None of them, were false prophets who deceived the "elect"/saints/anointed.
Matt 24:24;Mark 13:22,20; Rev 13:1,2,11,12; 16:13-16
"I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church."
Diotrephes was instigating disfellowshipping.  Who does this today?  Who calls anyone who refuses their false doctrine, "despicable apostates"?  Who, before Christ arrives, has decided they are "faithful and discreet"?  The GB are the preeminent ones, lording it over all of Christ's brothers.  Was John going to let Diotrephes get away with it?
Open your eyes, Anna.  You once said that although 1914 was a difficult doctrine for you to accept, you wouldn't make waves in the congregation concerning it.  If your heart knew it was false, why wouldn't you stand for truth?  It is a core lying doctrine of the organization. 
"Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God. 
Demetrius has a good testimony from all, and from the truth itself. And we also bear witness, and you know that our testimony is true."
3 John 9-12
God does not expect us to settle for lies.  
 

I would never brown beat people. It’s not what I do. It even sounds somehow racist, which will not fly in today’s atmosphere.
How would you know?
Actually, I pray each night that I may be repudiated by someone ill-mannered. I think most people do.
I mean, how many expect God to send his servant Dirty Harry to address the unruly with, “Ya feeling lucky today, punk?”

Jesus commanded us to not go after anyone who claims the end is here, aka “the time is at hand”.
“And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.” Luke 21:8
According to Jesus, we are commanded to not listen to the governing body, we are commanded to not listen to JW’s, and we are commanded to not listen to anyone else who’s proclaiming the one message Jesus said to not proclaim, “the time is at hand”. If we do listen to these men, it proves we are being disobedient to Jesus. Is it really something so simple as a wrong prediction, or, is it rather a blatant disregard for Jesus’ command?

Jesus commanded us to not go after anyone who claims the end is here, aka “the time is at hand”.
“And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.” Luke 21:8
According to Jesus, we are commanded to not listen to the governing body, we are commanded to not listen to JW’s, and we are commanded to not listen to anyone else who’s proclaiming the one message Jesus said to not proclaim, “the time is at hand”. If we do listen to these men, it proves we are being disobedient to Jesus. Is it really something so simple as a wrong prediction, or, is it rather a blatant disregard for Jesus’ command?

It’s hard to wait in anticipation of things to come and then things come anyway. How much harder it is to wait for things that never came, until today.

Matthew 5 v 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. 

Come come, I don’t buy it. This is the bluster and abuse of Alan.
Never have I heard a brother refer to God as “the man upstairs” though the expression is common elsewhere. Seldom if ever have I seen a “brother” so abusive, so ready to jettison everything Christ advised whether addressing friend or foe. Even foes he tried to reach, spinning the older son of the Prodigal parable as the one who had been faithful, for example. 
Let’s bring in a few, and hope they don’t mind. Have any of you @JW Insider, @Anna, @The Librarian, @Thinking, @xero,@Outta Here@Arauna(who used be approved by CC, then she “corrected” him, making herself a Jezebel.) Anyone, even the villains, feel free to chime in. Has anyone ever heard a brother call Jehovah “the man upstairs?”
Can he really be a Witness, as he would have everyone believe?

Oh man, it's hard to give a one sentence, even two sentence answer to this!
Well, scripture tells us that Jacob is another name for Israel. (Gen 32:27,28)
There a few representations that can be made.
 I look at the kingdom to come, as a family. The first children born into the Kingdom, and the first who are bought by the blood of Christ, are the anointed who have, through affliction and refinement, proven faithful and obedient to his teachings. (Mark 14:24; John 15:20,21; 16:33; Rom 4:13; Rev 3:21; 5:9,10)    As the older siblings of the family, their role is to watch out for their younger siblings not anointed.  In imitation of their Head, Jesus, and as members of his Body, they also “sacrifice” their life for their younger siblings, who are the final “promised seed”. (Gen 17:1,2)  This plays out by the priesthood of “kings” teaching and guiding God’s future children on earth and under the guidance of Jesus. (Mal 2:7) (Gen 28:10-15; John 1:51)   They are called “trees” that provide “healing to the nations”.  (Ps 1:3; Zech 4:11,14; Matt 7:17,20: Rev 11:4;22:2)    This healing is wisdom from God and Jesus Christ. (Prov 4:5-9)
Jesus was the first promised seed of the covenant made with Abraham. (Gal 3:16)  We are aware that Jesus established another promise, the New Covenant which is represented as a “woman”…and at its fulfillment  when it also produces a “seed”, (John 12:24) this mother becomes the source of life for future promised seeds. (Gal 4:24,28) Jesus is the greater Adam and described as an “eternal Father” in Isa 9:6.  His “Bride” is the new Eve, bringing life to the rest of the children of God.  (Isa 60:1-5)
So, those under this promise before fulfilled, are the anointed. (Gal 4:26) Yet, all children of the Kingdom benefit from the New Covenant.  When an anointed is sealed while on earth, those not anointed who have turned to Jesus Christ for understanding, are directed by Holy Spirit to the “Marriage Feast”. (Matt 22:1-14)  God determines the condition of their heart and gives these ones to Jesus to look out for, to feed spiritually, through members of his promised sealed Bride, until the Kingdom arrives. (John 6:44;13:20)
 At this feast, the true story is told of how the Kingdom will arrive. Clarity, clear waters of truth, flow from the Temple/Zion of God. (John 7:38; Rev 22:1,2,17; 19:19) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)    The feast is the pouring out of understanding (of Revelation, which “reveals” its meaning) for all future children in the Kingdom, those of the anointed and those not anointed, who choose to accept this wisdom.  I am referring to those in the last days.  We know that there are many who have died who will be resurrected. (Matt 22:32; John 5:25,28,29)
We are all equal, but not all will have the same responsibility as God’s children in the Kingdom, just as in the nation of Israel.  At that time, the priests were chosen purposely to care for the needs of the children of God.  This was a “copy and shadow” of things to come.  (Heb 8:5)
Besides administering justice (2 Chron 19:8-11; Heb 8:10), it seems very fitting that the Bride/priests of Jesus will be providing spiritual “healing” in the form of God's wisdom, to the nations.  (Rev 22:1-5)
“According to the Encyclopedia Judaica, medicine and religion were closely connected for Jews in ancient times. Priests were “the custodians of public health,” and Jews in biblical times regarded the physician as “the instrument through whom God could effect the cure.”  (Lev chapter 13-15)

Who Are The Fine Trees?

They didn't even recycle them?

The Watchtower teaches:
"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19
According to Watchtower doctrine, this means all those disfellowshipped by the elder body and announced from the platform as “no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, would ultimately be sentenced to death stripping any future prospect of life for that person. In effect, the elder body actually believe they have the right to “save your soul”.

Not really. Somewhere down the line watchtower got mixed up in thinking their organization can offer the same salvation as Jesus Christ. According to the Bible, it’s only Jesus Christ who can save. “Only Jesus has the power to save! His name is the only one in all the world that can save anyone” Acts 4:12 [CEV]

Are the remnant of Israel the chosen covenant and the survivors of the house of Jacob the unchosen? Or do both groups refer to the chosen covenant?

Because that food has become "garbage."
Such “spiritual food” that was produced and multiplied in the past in WTJWorg printing presses is no longer produced. Most publications (books, magazines, booklets...) that many JWs today don’t even know about, are no longer used. It has been forgotten on the shelves of few old JW members and in the archives of WTJWorg in America.
Many publications were literally destroyed and / or thrown in the trash.
Personally, I remember helping to throw away hundreds of books in Zagreb's Bethel (at the old address at 11 Kamaufova Street in Zagreb) before many decades. It was a small format book, if I'm not mistaken the color was light blue, hardcover) A few of us were a young workforce carrying boxes of books out of the basement. And some of us had astonished faces in disbelief wondering, "Is it not a sin to throw away the word of God written in these books"?
The leading people of Bethel in Zagreb, together with the USA Administration, obviously did not consider such a procedure to be incorrect. Why? Well because of what many of us later realized. That wasn't "the truth" anyway. And more than that, it was not "the truth" from God. There are things that are “true” and without God to tell us that. But, WTJWorg used just the latter to convince people to accept human interpretations and beliefs as God's. Once upon a time, even today, they claim the same; that everything written in WTJWorg publications came from God via FDS channel or through GB.
It is unlikely that someone who simply reads the Bible without taking advantage of divinely provided aids could discern the light. That is why Jehovah God has provided “the faithful and discreet slave,” foretold at Matthew 24:45-47. Today that “slave” is represented by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is under the direction of this body that the “Light Bearers” District Convention has been arranged. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1992328 - Come to the “Light Bearers” District Convention
Title of this article suggesting how GB is Light Bearers, and then all JW members who sow such "truth" are likewise, light bearers.
Also: So, then, we have noted four basic avenues of aid: (1) reading and studying God’s Word, together with Christian literature; (2) persevering in prayer; (3) yielding to the influence of God’s holy spirit; and (4) enlisting the aid of mature Christians. In these ways, many, many persons have been helped in their struggle to overcome weaknesses. Yet, some have a far more difficult time conquering weaknesses than do others. Are there yet other aids that they could effectively use? - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1982762
Why do “divinely provided aids” end up in the trash?
 
 
 

Isa 10:20 - "On that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer depend on the one who struck them, but they will faithfully depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel."

While the expression “the man upstairs” is very common, I have never heard one of Jehovah’s Witnesses use it, I think because they would assess it as overly familiar and disrespectful of God.
So is CC a Witness or not? Alas, I fear I will never figure it out. 
One man in a million of Jehovah’s Witnesses might use the phrase. That means there could be as many as eight CCs out there.