Pudgy

Prove God wrong?  What does that even mean? As usual your 4th grade replies make no sense at all . Your infantile accusations NEVER have any proof, and I have directly challenged you at least a dozen times.
You ALWAYS choke and sputter when proof is demanded, so no surprise there.
Your quote has FOUR false premisses. Can you find them?
… and “Prove God wrong?”.
What does that even mean?

If WTJWorg wanted to prove its "unwavering commitment" in dealing with CSA, then it should not, as in the case of the Australian branch, hide from its own public the large number of pedophiles who ran rampant in JW congregations all those 60 years and more. Moreover, the GB instructions contributed to the ineffectiveness of elders handling CSA claims within the congregation. Instead of cooperating with the civil authorities, they kept everything secret and even prevented the victims from fighting for minimal justice.
GB has already proven its "transformative" role. After a decades of banning beards and trousers, a "successful transformation" has been carried out. Does anyone who sees only this sliver of reality about GB expect that these are the people "of unwavering morality"  who will be the foundation of the NWO you speak so passionately about? GB people who bring bans and permits about beards and pants, about monthly reports, about greeting and not greeting former JWs, etc. are not the base or foundation of some imaginary new and healthy human society. This type of individuals who are united in a specific group of manipulators of other people's faith and conscience does not deserve trust.
Are you waiting for a transformation? Transformation will not happen tomorrow or in the future. If it didn't start happening in the past or today, then it won't happen. While an individual lives, he/she is or is not part of the transformation. In which transformation are we personally participating? Will there be a transformation due to our activity or passivity? Changes happen with us or without us, that's clear. Don't wait for the NWO, because some other people will live in it. You and I already live in a form of the NWO created by people from the past. To put it simply.

… that’s exactly what I would expect the evil Vicar of Warwick to say when proven wrong … 

Georgie… if you got into your agenda driven, obfuscating mind you were standing on the surface of the Moon, no amount of evidence would convince you otherwise.
Ok, Ok …. here’s a REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF REAL LIFE EVIDENCE … it has taken the Governing Body SIXTY YEARS to get what is basic common sense to most people, right.
BEARDS
AND HOW DID THEY AFTER SIXTY YEARS OF TYRANNY FINALLY GET IT RIGHT? 
… by adopting the exact same perspective …. 100% …. as shown in the Apostate parody of the Watchtower that I showed earlier …
… about which you had no comment whatsoever, because it was 100% TRUE.
You asked for evidence.
Well … you got it!
…. hard irrefutable evidence from the REAL world.

You have failed your argument because you did not give details about Cornelius and you are (like a jw), assuming you know my beliefs about certain matters and painting me with a general brush.

I agree with you if we lived in a perfect world, but it's not. Does the believer just stand idle and watch others be killed, raped, tortured, etc., and hope it does not come to their family and then to again just sit and watch it happen to your family. 
Stopping the evil actions of others does not make one a raptist, butcherer, war monger, does it?

Acts 10 New International Version (NIV)
Cornelius Calls for Peter
10 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. 2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. 3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. 5 Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. 6 He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.”
7 When the angel who spoke to him had gone, Cornelius called two of his servants and a devout soldier who was one of his attendants. 8 He told them everything that had happened and sent them to Joppa.
Peter’s Vision
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. 18 They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.
19 While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[a] men are looking for you. 20 So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”
21 Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?”
22 The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.” 23 Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.
Peter at Cornelius’s House
The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. 24 The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
27 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
30 Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. 32 Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ 33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
We studied this chapter in a men's bible study group yesterday and I would like the JW's view on one certain aspect....Cornelius....believed in God, used by God, a military officer/centurion. 
What I see here is that military service is not frowned upon by God, it actually shows that God can and will use individuals in the military for His will. And an aside from that, bringing in Matthew 28:19,20, since our military is stationed world wide, this would be another avenue God could choose to spread His good news into all the earth.
I welcome everyone's thoughts.
 

I think the real question is:  Did Cornelius continue serving as a military officer afterward?

After a while, seeing unintelligent posts gets boring. 

i suspect about half of the convicted “apostates” are really “double agents”, serving Jehovah’s best interests while wearing the scarlet letter “A”, to precipitate important reform that is sorely needed.
THE classic example is the 2016-2017 apostate generated Watchtower Parody on beards, in which EVERYTHING STATED was 100% true, and diametrically opposed to the teachings and practices of the Society and the Governing Body, and the practices of the global congregations’ body of elders, with VERY few exceptions.
In March of 2024, the Governing Body caved in and recognised officially as true all the apostate points in that 2016-2017 apostate Watchtower parody.
When your agenda is control, bad things happen, and there is tyranny.
When your agenda is TRUTH, good things happen, and there is Liberty!
 

Most people outgrew that “I know you are, but what am I “ tactic in the fourth grade. 
I am old enough to remember when Democrats were people with different philosophies and different outlooks, but were sane. Robert A. Heinlein, Master of Science Fiction I highly respected, was a Democrat … but I have noticed in the last 40 years or so all the Democrats on TV or media reports think EXACTLY LIKE YOU, Georgie and your clone sock puppets like BTK and Alphonse da downvoter, et al.
The standard playbook among the Dims and you is projecting your agendas onto others to see if the bat crap crazy will stick to them as well.
You think you are fooling people, but your silly “blame game” fools no one other than your minions …. and yourself.
Very seldom do I even downvote your presumptuous fallacies because they are so painfully obviously not based on anything that is real.
I have taken your fantasies and directly discredited them with hard facts, one by one by one.
No deflection whatsoever. None. Zero.
Direct frontal attack with comprehensive real world proofs.
Reread the last two pages out loud and you will hear yourself reciting EXACTLY THAT.
You NEVER refute my proofs, because they ARE real proofs, even when challenged to do so.
You always choke, project, deflect, mislead, and lie.
You are like President Bill Clinton. EVERYBODY on all sides knew he was a liar, but were truly astonished how good he was at it.
Refute the facts and prove me wrong.
Proof.
Not projection.

@Pudgy
Thanks for the info.
So, JWs do not celebrate birthdays because it has pagan roots.
But they also shave their beards despite the fact that shaving has pagan roots.

What an inconsistency!
lol

If we want to include the biblical text in a possible answer to this dilemma, then based on the experience of people who "received HS" in the period covered by the Bible, we could come up with elements, indicators of what a person receiving HS looks like, how a person receiving HS behaves and what effects, actions in relation to people and the environment does a person who gets HS have.
Should we read together the Bible passages that describe the HS and the people of Bible time, in order to come to the answer?
Which biblical persons with the power, gift of HS can we compare with a member of GB??
And vice versa,
Which member of GB can we compare to a biblical person who acts under the power, gift of HS??
20  Jehovah then said, ‘Who will fool Aʹhab, so that he will go up and fall at Raʹmoth-gilʹe·ad?’ And one was saying one thing while another said something else. 21  Then a spirit*r came forward and stood before Jehovah and said, ‘I will fool him.’ Jehovah asked him, ‘How will you do it?’ 22  He replied, ‘I will go out and become a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’s So he said, ‘You will fool him, and what is more, you will be successful. Go out and do that.’ 23  And now Jehovah has put a deceptive spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours,t but Jehovah has declared calamity for you.”u 1. Kings 22,NWT
 
Ezekiel 14:9 General 9  “‘But if the prophet is fooled and gives a response, it is I, Jehovah, who have fooled that prophet. I will then stretch out my hand against him and annihilate him from my people Israel.

Hold onto your hair!
Read THIS and see if it reminds you of “someone” we know …. !!!!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spaced-out-sheila-jackson-lee-tells-texas-students-planet-moon-made-up-gases

i suspect about half of the convicted “apostates” are really “double agents”, serving Jehovah’s best interests while wearing the scarlet letter “A”, to precipitate important reform that is sorely needed.
THE classic example is the 2016-2017 apostate generated Watchtower Parody on beards, in which EVERYTHING STATED was 100% true, and diametrically opposed to the teachings and practices of the Society and the Governing Body, and the practices of the global congregations’ body of elders, with VERY few exceptions.
In March of 2024, the Governing Body caved in and recognised officially as true all the apostate points in that 2016-2017 apostate Watchtower parody.
When your agenda is control, bad things happen, and there is tyranny.
When your agenda is TRUTH, good things happen, and there is Liberty!
Dec 2016 Watchtower draft article .pdf




 

I have managed to come to a realization regarding this matter. Therefore, there is no need to be concerned. The core argument I presented remains valid and relevant: It is important for you to demonstrate that the DB does not receive the Holy Spirit of God.
Whose standards are you basing this assumption on? Is it your perception or someone else's influencing you with such nonsense? 
Why would the Holy Spirit of God lead someone astray? That's a significant assumption about someone's mental state.
Your false narrative should not be taken into consideration, as you are an apostate, lol!

Sorry for google translate. It is about power, authority, authorization, mandate.
quote: "..,provide evidence that the Governing Body does not receive God's Holy Spirit..,"
quote: "The GB interprets scripture in the manner it was originally intended...,there is no alternative way to interpret scripture"
In an effort to accept your claims and belief about GB, we would have to reconcile the view that the way Jesus and God works is visible in the practice of GB. They (GB) make a "biblically based" conclusion (interpretation) which later turns out to be incorrect and wrong. So Jesus and God misrepresented his ideas to them? Or did they not understand them? Truly the "divine way" of communication.
An "alternative" to the previous explanation always exists in the WTJWorg religion. Sufficient evidence to question whether GB members "got the spirit" for the dogmas that have already changed as well as those that did not (but will be, lol).

Yes, or no ….. sometimes.
After carefully analyzing the above post, word by word, and line by line, the following becomes clear.
1. "Verbose but lacking substance."
2. "Engages in lengthy but fruitless speculation."
3. "Prone to rambling without reaching meaningful conclusions."
4. "Overwhelms with quantity rather than quality."
5. "Spews out a torrent of irrelevant questions and baseless assertions."
6. "Master of the art of prolific yet empty rhetoric."
7. "Produces a flood of words that lead nowhere."
8. "Obscures the point with an avalanche of verbiage."
9. "Buries the reader under a mountain of aimless musings."
10. "Fills paragraphs with meandering thoughts and unsubstantiated claims."
… but it does show considerable skill, I will have to admit that.
Especially point No. 6.
….. if you think I am kidding …. read Georgie’s post out loud as if expecting a line by line rsponse, and LISTEN to it.
 

Which brings up the question, is the GB standing firm on that silly and PAINFULLY transparent “Overlapping Generations” thingy?

Your brothers and sisters are avidly watching the news networks, too bad they are so out of touch with reality they keep on watching for poll results on if George Washington won the primary.

… clearly a mouth-breathing troglodyte that is addicted to airport CNN “news”.
FOX news is not perfect, but the others are demented by comparison.

Thanks for reminding me and other of GJ's statement. Can you see real grief from these words? Is there any remorse for inaction, remorse for bad GB instructions? Is there a personal desire to know the victim and show compassion? She is "Client" in GJ's eyes. Not one of "Jesus' sheep, one of the least", one of child in KH who went through horrors ?
GJ's statement was given in court because of the publicity and because of questions from lawyers and the court. The GJ statement was "given under pressure" from the public and the process. Should we consider it a deep feeling from the heart and conscience? We are not naive, if others are.

So …. tha ARC Hearings were in what, 2015? That was NINE YEARS AGO.
What Watchtower policies and procedures have improved since then?
The Society has even hired outside legal teams ( … guessing at about $3,500 an hour) because THEIR in-house legal team does not have the competencies to defend their positions, which has not changed in NINE YEARS.

…. not only is it  NOT AN APOLOGY, it does not even acknowledge reality, AND, “…  an expression of my love and concern ..,” were empty words that meant NOTHING.…. they STILL mean nothing.
….like a resume’ or CV of someone with no real life experiences, filled with “buzz words”.

… is NOT an apology.