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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know   
    Yes indeed. Didn't the Leaders of the Watchtower BLAME the CONGREGANTS  for 'getting it wrong about 1975' 
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know   
    So, don't be a hammer. Be sensible and look at both sides of every coin. 
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know   
    People invariably relate experiences both good and bad.
    If you happen to have been in the same room as the event being reported, you have greater credibility with yourself if you agree with the judgment that it's "good" or "bad" because you were present.
    Of course this doesn't mean that your judgment is correct. A third person or even a fourth of fifth person might disagree.
    Eyewitness testimony isn't very good. This is why the police interview everyone they can when investigating a crime. No one expects the testimony to be consistent or correct.
    It's more like plotting points on a graph. The more points plotted, the more likely you have an accurate picture of a given graphed function.
    On the other hand it's important that the eyewitnesses not have time to rehearse their testimony or time to synchronize their testimony with those of others.
    Actual footage of an event from multiple angles is best and if you can also get audio that adds value.
    A person's attitude, their previous experiences and the things they believe to be true and righteous vary and this is true even among Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Now on the synchronization side of things we can see that people quite naturally seek out others who see things the way they do and are not particularly pleased if there isn't agreement.
    I see the grumbling lot not as liars, but as those who as a result of various factors has chosen to play a different movie of the annoying events in their lives and with a different music track to these events.
    I remember reading in a book somewhere that in a relationship the more things you have in common (as long as these are positive things) the better. I'm talking about a value system as well more importantly. But, they countered that having identical values isn't sufficient as it needs to be determined how these values rank in relation to each other. In a scarce or competing resource situation, how will these things be prioritized?
    Some people are more "feelings" oriented and if something doesn't feel right, even if it is right it isn't enough for them and this is why you have to dig deep and see what it is in your own mind (because we all have feelings) that feels right or doesn't feel right and really figure out why.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know   
    It's quite funny what lies people tell themselves in order to have a clear conscience about being a JW. 
    And it's even funnier when they write it in such a sly way that it makes honest hearted people look to be the villains.  
    But as Elders or even Ex Elders I suppose it's their job to hide truth and to make excuses for the dishonest and immoral JW org / Watchtower Soc / GB 
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in There's always a difference between what you know and what you think you know   
    When you are a hammer .....
    ...everything looks like a nail!
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    My guess was that Linda James was going along with the joke.
    My intent was to have people continue the "story", and see where it would end up.
    That assumes everybody "got it".
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    It does not have to be THAT funny to be mildly amusing, invoking mental imagry of the various sub-references.….. and besides, it was fun to write, and like Dilbert, most of my humor only I understand. 
     
    ….. thanks for stopping by, and don’t forget to tip the waitresses.
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    James, I think you are unwell. We know you have been through a tough time lately but, well I think you need some help. 
     
    A reference to a GB member being filmed in a supermarket buying bottles of booze. 
    Oh dear. Sorry James it's not even that funny. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    The Good part is Caleb and Sophia, and their Family do not need to eat, drink, or breathe, and are OK until plate tectonics subducts them.
    They of course have lumps on their heads the size of  bananas, circled by a rotating disk of canaries and stars .... not unlike a halo.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff, known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
    A huge sinkhole approximately 85 feet wide, at the edges of Disneyworld's remote parking lot 9G opened up this morning at about 9:45 AM and swallowed up a New York Tour Bus chartered by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for the Bethel Art Department's annual "Mousekateers Mashup", and disappeared out of sight into the limestone caverns that undermine most of Florida.
    The only survivor, an un-named  member of the Society's Governing Body and driver of the bus,  and reported creator of those lost to the sinkhole, leapt from the front door as the bus's rear wheels crashed through the asphalt and slid to oblivion, and suffered cuts from broken glass bottles he was carrying in his pockets.
    The bus slid to oblivion .... the driver staggered away across the parking lot.
    Investigations showed that "Caleb's Family" had not been seen for several years now, with the general assumption had been they had already been thrown under a bus somewhere in New York State.
    This is an on-going story and will be updated as more facts emerge.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    And you would know about hate 
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    I have never heard anyone else on this forum use the word "hate" as much as you do.  Did Jesus hate his people when he exposed their sins?  No, the hate came from those who didn't listen to him.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    This isn't about Russia.  It is about your leadership who dominate the priesthood - the GB who "direct" the elder body to "represent the royal priesthood".  Before you spout off in ignorance, READ THE LETTER.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    When I read your comments Tom I can understand why it is a waste of time and effort talking to people such as you.
    The scripture is right. "Do not cast your pearls before swine". 
    It's not so much that @Witness is right all the time, but you certainly act like a childish swine in reply.
    As for women prophesying   Acts 2 : 17
    Berean Study Bible
    ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
    But you don't seem to believe what God says do you Tom ? You seem to rely on the words of your GB
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    “For He has brought low those who dwell on high, the unassailable city;
    He lays it low, He lays it low to the ground, He casts it to the dust."  Isa 26:5
    27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base ("ignoble") things of the world and the things which are despised ("least esteemed")  God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence."  1 Cor 1:27-29
    The "mountainlike organization" will fall, because of its sins against God's holy people.  The restored spiritual Temple/Zion, will be exalted.   (Matt 17:11)
     So he answered and said to me:
    “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel:
    ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’
    Says the Lord of hosts.
    7 ‘Who are you, O great mountain?
    Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain!
    And he shall bring forth the capstone
    With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!” ’ ”  Zech 4:6,7
    Rev 18:4-8
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    I'm sorry for misunderstanding your question.  I didn't say that I expect all have read them.  I had said, "No doubt there are those who will toss the letter away."  
    I also said, "Rachel has received replies from elders, who have taken her message to the GB. "  
    I can't say how many have replied to her, or how the GB reacted.  I do know that Rachel has written personal letters to individual GB members as well.  
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    I am not talking about your massive Scripture loaded Epistle.
    I am talking about ...ONLY talking about your claim that "Rachel" sent letters to everybody named, and that they READ them.
    I find that highly improbable.
    Please re-read my request for proof about 'them" reading "Rachel's" letters. If you need to, diagram the sentences to determine what was actually said.
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    Are you saying, it is self-aggrandizing when someone else other than JWs send out letters?
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." 1 Tim 4:1,2
    "seared with a hot iron" -"to render unsensitive"
    CHARLATON - "a person who pretends to have skills or knowledge that they do not have"  Cambridge Dictionary
    Under "Related words and phrases" - a wolf in sheep's clothing.
    "I know that after I leave, savage ("burdensome, imposing, impressive") wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. "  Acts 20:29,30
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    PENITENCE, REPENTANCE, CONTRITION, COMPUNCTION, REMORSE mean regret for sin or wrongdoing. PENITENCE implies sad and humble realization of and regret for one's misdeeds.  absolution is dependent upon sincere penitence  REPENTANCE adds the implication of a resolve to change.  repentance accompanied by a complete change of character  CONTRITION stresses the sorrowful regret that constitutes true penitence.  tearful expressions of contrition  COMPUNCTION implies a painful sting of conscience especially for contemplated wrongdoing.  had no compunctions about taking back what is mine  REMORSE suggests prolonged and insistent self-reproach and mental anguish for past wrongs and especially for those whose consequences cannot be remedied.  thieves untroubled by feelings of remorse 
    Feeling or showing regret for something said or done is a prerequisite for reconciliation with those to whom we have erred. Are they in remorse too? Do they show penitence and contrition? etc.
    It is not possible to know how any of those who contributed to the misconceptions in the JW organization felt about it. Some who have been involved in past misconceptions have been involved in change, but I don’t think most of them have, but some new people have done so when they came to positions of power.
    What about the current creators of delusions? Some of them believe in their delusions because they feel they have offered something better than their predecessors. Or they have to adapt their new delusions to existing concepts with some modifications for several reasons.
    Yet, no text in WTJWorg publications, known to me, contains any of the previously described characteristics of someone who is aware of his (individual or collective GB) error. It simply all comes down to a so called “human error” that can happen to anyone. But in most cases (throwing blame and responsibility) it refers to ordinary members who have "misunderstood" something or many things in publications.
    The founders of doctrines and interpretations themselves have always found a way to explain their "error" by a lack of sufficient "light" and "knowledge", because then, when they wrote about a topic, there was no "God-given time" to know "real truth". But now, in this very moment when they "clarified" things, it is "true and proper knowledge" that have to be accepted, because it is from God ..... again    
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Arauna in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I have been on this forum much longer than you.  I recognize hate-OCD when I see it.  All apostates have it and I usually do not even answer them.  So I think I will ignore you from now on. ......
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Sometimes to that kindof thing  I just say "Wow!" then shake my head while pursing my lips, turn around and keep walking.
    (I've found out from my wife that this can really piss people off) 
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    BUT, your GB and other Leaders will happily rely on Educated people when it comes to :-
    Lawyers in court.
    Building Warwick and buying and building Ramapo.
    And where did all the computer knowledge come from, and all the filming / video technique ?
    All of the above needed legal advice, technical advice, safety inspections et al.
    Most of that comes from higher education, it is not learnt in the normal schooling of youngsters, and it is not by learnt online courses.
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