C-D67

Glad you made the cartoon. That's right, I'm not impressed!

5 hours ago, Witness said:

This book can be downloaded on the website.  It notes “Last updated 2019-11-01”.   Did the writing department suffer another unintended typo?  Does it now say, "Shortly, within our day"?  I haven't looked.   

There are many ways to phrase for those that will be around to see judgment day and all its glory. What's your preference. Whatever it is, it can be scrutinized just the same. 

The point is, there will be a judgment day, and it seems you are telling people there isn't going to be one. Explain, why you refuse to accept God's word, since the subject is brought up under false pretense?

This would also indicate, you believe the writers of scripture and those that tried to subvert its writing are suspect. Why?

How would you have written the bible to satisfy yourself in order to have people believe in you?

I guess this only applies to people that are not allowed to give out rebuttals to lies, and only a selected few can insult in this forum, since your latter comment is a personal attack and insult, directed at me. Why do you find it a need to fight?

@PudgyC-D67 ….. it’s ok here to insult ideas …. You insult people. You are the only one here that does. THAT’S why you get “special treatment”.

It can't be worse than the bogus agenda driven wokeness by proven lies above defended by another liar. To me, a type-o simply means, unintended. Perhaps I should use simpler words to receive a better understanding, since I used the word "CORRECTED" in my comment.

17 hours ago, Witness said:

“The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them”

"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (Wt. 1/1, 1989, p. 12)

 The bound volume changed "20th century" to "day".

Here is the cover-up!

Thank you for clarifying the type-o the writing department made and then corrected on the bound volume. There's no need to reprint technical errors with the digital world now. ZERO cover-up! ZERO credibility on the assertion.

This is old news!!!

17 hours ago, Witness said:

God would never include liars and their lies, to "work together for good" and for His purpose.  

 

True. I'm glad this is mentioned, since I assume it applies here. I have yet to see God designate an earthly representative that has Christ capability of separating the goats from God's sheep. Likewise, I don't believe, there is anyone worthy of that task. The good thing, the GB don't claim to be Christ, but followers of Christ and accept what is written in scripture as God's word. That's why they apply it in their lives and use it as a guide, so others can follow.

I guess this falls under the category of deception from those opposed to the GB. "God would never include liars and their lies." by those that fabricate and utilize their own interest to divide true followers of Christ.

That's what I thought. Excuses and no justifications. The topic is "Armageddon comes in two phases..." 

Let's see how the prophet "BroRando" can slip in Queen Elizabeth death with the double rainbow and the 70-year reign.

When others do, do they get the same consideration in Judgment? Did you read the book @JW Insider posted?

On 9/2/2022 at 12:58 PM, JW Insider said:

But I can also state, with some sense of real accomplishment, that nearly 580 of the 618 downvotes I received, all came from the very same person, even though they came from about 27 of that same person's various accounts.

Does this mean, you are keeping track of the people you have knocked off?

Keep in mind who actually started this campaign, and who people defend here as usual. Why is witness still part of your group, I wonder. So, the lies, and deception you are talking about, is about the false accusations people tend to make without evidence. I find the humor acceptable, too, when a circumstance is reversed to understand where honesty lies.

"if you notice a bony grey hand clawing it’s way up out of the ground, it’s probably just Wally McNasty come to downvote."

Divine intervention, fake or fact according to scripture?

 Rom 8:28

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

  Luk 1:37

For nothing will be impossible with God.”

 Job 42:2

 “I know that you can do all things,

and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

You know: lies, d#$%n lies and statistics. You can make people believe in things that are true, only half-true, or completely false. Here are my own numbers.

This only works if there is no corruption and honesty. Maybe that's acceptable to you, not me. However, as someone stated earlier on this post, stick to scripture and on topic. Statistics are of no concern.

@JW Insider

23 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Where have we seen that before, I wonder???

Yes, I wonder where I've seen this before!!!

7 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

FWIW, Here is the full picture for Thinking in case someone might get a skewed picture from the incomplete picture:

Why should it matter to you, what others have the freedom to do? Are you saying, you're trying to restrict opinions not favorable to your group? The fact, my chart was posted says enough on what is going on here. Do you wish to continue?

@TrueTomHarley

After you stop laughing, with @JW Insider, explain your stance with certain individuals and not others.

31 minutes ago, Witness said:

I've never heard that his facial expressions are the result of a disability.  And, I've never made fun of him because of it.    I do believe that part of his extreme use of facial expressions is because he was raised by parents who were deaf.  I was merely bringing out by posting the video that he can choose to talk without such "elastic" (as Arauna brought) mannerisms. 

Some deaf people enjoy reading lips. Perhaps, that's why this brother likes to enunciate.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

He has complete control of his facial movements, when he cares to exercise it. 

What does anyone's handicap have to do with teaching the word of Jehovah? 

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

Every child born is a potential Hitler, Alexander the Great or Ghinges Khan.  In fact, what is going on in the world right now - the extreme lies, gaslighting, propaganda by the wild beast and false prophet (Rev 16), are all done by people who are 'willingly' cooperating with the propaganda and getting the mark of the beast.

This is why Brother Letts perception is not false, when he stated "babies are enemies of God" the off right has now chosen to twist around on YouTube.-

7 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

C-D67 IT seems doesnt like the truth ,when it is taught to him in simple terms denial is lying plain and simple

im guessing another reincarnation of poster from the past...lol

Read my post more carefully and begin to use your head a little better, especially when, I was just trying to have you explain why "denial" and "lie" are two distinct definitions. You are not serving Jehovah well by acting with such bad behavior.

If you see my post, I'm agreeing with you and Brando that Peter lied. There's no need for you or Brando to encourage further negativity. Are you even Jehovah's Witnesses?

If you're not, I have no need to debate with you.

7 hours ago, Pudgy said:

But it appears that common sense is sorely lacking which allows everything to be misconstrued, bent out of shape Or exaggerated…… And even more often things,  ideas and expressions that are totally harmless are considered to be Proclamations of Evil.

When a baby is born, when did that baby learn about God? It appears several here still don't get what Brother Lett was offering when dealing with, how we are all enemies of God until we learn the truth. A baby is taught into maturity. Especially when it comes to spiritual maturity. 

That doesn't make him wrong, just cultured into the truth of the matter.

*** w19 November pp. 15-16 par. 8 Are You Maintaining Your “Large Shield of Faith”? ***
8 Satan, “the father of the lie,” uses those under his control to spread lies about Jehovah and about our brothers and sisters. (John 8:44) For instance, apostates publish lies and distort facts about Jehovah’s organization on websites and through television and other media. Those lies are among Satan’s “burning arrows.” (Eph. 6:16) How should we respond if someone confronts us with such lies? We reject them! Why? Because we have faith in Jehovah and we trust our brothers. In fact, we avoid all contact with apostates. We do not allow anyone or anything, including curiosity, to draw us into arguing with them.
 

13 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

Denial is lying plain and simple, either because the person doesn’t want to get caught, expose himself or is ashamed, angry, guilt-ridden or distrustful. but

A lie, by definition, is an intentionally false statement. In entails the person knowing that something is false and still saying that it is true anyway. Which is a little different from denial of the truth. Because the person who is denying the truth may not be aware that what they’re doing is false.

Laying foundation is not a dreary task, like filling out a form at a bank. You should always examine your witness in a way that will build interest and anticipation for the evidence that the foundation supports. Approach: Lay your foundation concisely and, if possible, in a way that builds interest in what will follow.

In fact, the Bible has much to say about the  right foundation, which starts with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone. Here are some great KJV Bible verses about the right foundation. Buildings & Foundations 1 Kings 5:17 And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones, and hewed stones, to lay the foundation of the house.

*** w13 3/1 p. 14 Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? ***

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN

Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? √

As you know, a lie is something you say that you know is not true. Have you ever told a lie?— Even some grown-ups who love God have lied. You probably know about a person in the Bible who did. His name is Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 apostles. Let’s listen to the story about why he told some lies.

49 minutes ago, Witness said:

You must be thinking that I should "forgive" GB Lett for his error in calling babies "little enemies of God".  You presented a quote from your magazine earlier saying that the GB imitate Jesus Christ; so which is it?  Does he imitate Jesus with those words, or not?  

*** w18 December p. 26 par. 9 Young Ones, You Can Have a Satisfying Life ***
9 God’s love for us is sometimes expressed through fatherly correction. David welcomed such kindly counsel. He said: “I will praise Jehovah, who has given me advice. Even during the night, my innermost thoughts correct me.” (Ps. 16:7) Yes, he meditated on God’s thoughts, making them his own and allowing them to mold him. When you in faith do the same, you too will grow in love for God and in your desire to obey him. You will also gain spiritual maturity and depth. A sister named Christin said, “When I do research and meditate on what I read, I get the feeling that Jehovah had this penned just for me!”

MATURITY

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT SPIRITUAL MATURITY?

BIBLE READING: Deuteronomy 7:1-26

KEY BIBLE VERSE: The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. (Deuteronomy 7:22)

SPIRITUAL MATURITY IS A GRADUAL PROCESS.

Moses told the Israelites that God would destroy Israel’s enemies, but not all at once. God had the power to destroy those nations instantly, but he chose to do it in stages. In the same way and with the same power, God could miraculously and instantaneously change your life. Usually, however, he chooses to help you gradually, teaching you one lesson at a time. Rather than expecting instant spiritual maturity and solutions to all your problems, slow down and work one step at a time, trusting God to make up the difference between where you should be and where you are now. You’ll soon look back and see that a miraculous transformation has occurred.

BIBLE READING: Colossians 1:15-29

KEY BIBLE VERSE: Everywhere we go, we tell everyone about Christ. We warn them and teach them with all the wisdom God has given us, for we want to present them to God, perfect in their relationship to Christ. (Colossians 1:28)

THE GOAL OF EVERY BELIEVER IS SPIRITUAL MATURITY.

The word perfect means mature or complete, not flawless. Paul wanted to see each believer mature spiritually. Like Paul, we must work as wholeheartedly as an athlete, but we should not strive in our own strength alone. We have the power of his Spirit working in us. We can learn and grow daily, motivated by love, not by fear or pride, knowing that God gives the energy to become mature.

THE FIRST STEP TOWARD SPIRITUAL MATURITY IS FAITH IN CHRIST.

Christ’s message is for everyone; so everywhere Paul and Timothy went they brought the Good News to all who would listen. An effective presentation of the gospel includes warning and teaching. The warning is that without Christ, people are doomed to eternal separation from God. The teaching is that salvation is available through faith in Christ. As Christ works in you, tell others about him, warning and teaching them in love. Who do you know that needs to hear this message?

BIBLE READING: Hebrews 6:1-20

KEY BIBLE VERSE: Let us stop going over the basics of Christianity again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start all over again with the importance of turning away from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. (Hebrews 6:1)

SPIRITUAL MATURITY BEGINS WITH THE BASICS OF THE FAITH.

Certain elementary teachings are essential for all believers to understand. Those basics include the importance of faith, the foolishness of trying to be saved by good deeds, the meaning of baptism and spiritual gifts, and the facts of resurrection and eternal life. To go on to maturity in our understanding, we need to move beyond (but not away from) the elementary teachings to a more complete understanding of the faith. And this is what the author intends for them to do (6:3). Mature Christians should be teaching new Christians the basics. Then, acting on what they know, the mature will learn even more from God’s Word.

BIBLE READING: Hebrews 13:1-25

KEY BIBLE VERSE: May the God of peace, who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, equip you with all you need for doing his will. May he produce in you, through the power of Jesus Christ, all that is pleasing to him. Jesus is the great Shepherd of the sheep by an everlasting covenant, signed with his blood. To him be glory forever and ever. Amen. (Hebrews 13:20)

*** w52 8/15 pp. 501-502 pars. 18-19 God’s Spirit Essential to Maturity ***
18 This question of maturity of understanding immediately follows Paul’s explanation of how the spiritual man can examine and search all things. For he goes on to say, in 1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NW), that those at Corinth were not yet “spiritual”, but were “fleshly” minded, immature babes in Christ, still only fit for a milk diet and hence in a weak condition, not strong enough to resist the fleshly impulses of jealousy and strife and sectarianism. In the natural way, babies may be the most lovable little objects and surely are so in their parents’ eyes; but that does not apply spiritually.
19 Besides mature understanding as being necessary to learn how to overcome successfully the fleshly impulses, Paul points out at Hebrews 5:11–6:3 (NW) another reason why this maturity is so essential. After saying that a babe restricted to milk food illustrates one “unacquainted with the word of righteousness”, satisfied with understanding merely the ‘elementary doctrines’, then Paul stresses that “solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong”. What a fine definition of what mature understanding means! Therefore let us by all means “press on to maturity”. After having first “tasted that the Lord is kind”, we must not stand still, but must “grow to salvation”. (1 Pet. 2:2, 3, NW) 
 

1 hour ago, BroRando said:

Peter lied to save his own skin because of the fear of men.  Followers of Jesus Christ are imperfect and can mistakes. To claim that the Governing Body is perfect and infallable is someone who is very weak or disillusioned in the faith. √

In fact, the Bible has much to say about the  right foundation, which starts with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone. Here are some great KJV Bible verses about the right foundation. Buildings & Foundations 1 Kings 5:17 And the king commanded, and they brought great stones, costly stones, and hewed stones, to lay the foundation of the house.

*** w13 3/1 p. 14 Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? ***

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN

Peter and Ananias Lied—What Lesson Can We Learn? √

As you know, a lie is something you say that you know is not true. Have you ever told a lie?— Even some grown-ups who love God have lied. You probably know about a person in the Bible who did. His name is Peter, one of Jesus’ 12 apostles. Let’s listen to the story about why he told some lies.

After Jesus is arrested, he is taken to the home of the high priest. It is well past the middle of the night. Peter gets into the courtyard of the priest’s home without being recognized. In the light of a fire, the high priest’s servant girl who let Peter in recognizes him. “You, too, were with Jesus,” she says. Peter, in fear, says he was not.

The Bible says that later “another girl noticed him.” She said: “This man was with Jesus.” Again, Peter denies it. After a little while, others go up to Peter and say: “Certainly you also are one of them.”

Peter is scared. So for the third time, he lies, saying: “I do not know the man!” A rooster crows. Jesus looks at Peter, and Peter remembers that a few hours earlier, Jesus told him: “Before a cock crows, you will disown me three times.” Peter breaks down and cries. He is so sorry!

1 hour ago, BroRando said:

Wasn't Simon Peter an Apostle who lied several times of not knowing Jesus Christ?

Peter denied Jesus three times because he feared for his safety, knowing that execution was the probable outcome if the authorities seized him. When Peter uttered his three denials, Jesus’ trial was underway, and it was clear that the authorities were treating him unjustly and that death was imminent. Why do the Gospels record Peter’s denials?

Denial is not the same as stubbornly refusing to admit the obvious. It’s also not the same as kidding yourself about the truth of things. In short, denial is not conscious lying, but rather unconscious protection against unbearable pain.

1 hour ago, xero said:

Did the apostles EVER tell a lie?

Did they EVER teach the doctrine of men?

Did they EVER appoint a date for Armageddon?

Did the EVER add to God's word?

Yes to all of these, and Jehovah had to clean up after them.

On 7/18/2022 at 10:20 AM, Witness said:

Did the apostles EVER tell a lie?

Did they EVER teach the doctrine of men?

Did they EVER appoint a date for Armageddon?

Did the EVER add to God's word?

John 15

The Hatred of the World

 18 If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first.

20 Remember the word that I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well

1 John 2

A New Commandment

 9 If anyone claims to be in the light but hates his brother, he is still in the darkness. 10 Who-ever loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no cause of stumbling in him. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

 1 Timothy 6

Guard the Faith

 20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid irreverent, empty chatter and the opposing arguments of so-called “knowledge,” 21 which some have professed and thus swerved away from the faith.  Grace be with you all

On 7/18/2022 at 10:20 AM, Witness said:

Do you choose to imitate individuals that have misled millions with the promise that Armageddon would arrive in a certain month, and in a certain year? 

*** w00 5/1 p. 32 He Died for a Principle ***
To Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is a Christian duty to be “in subjection to the superior [government] authorities.” (Romans 13:1) However, when governments try to force them to transgress God’s laws, they follow the example of Christ’s apostles, who said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” (Acts 5:29) As a result, in a world where tribal enmities and ethnic hatreds have led to shocking atrocities, Jehovah’s Witnesses everywhere, like August Dickmann, pursue peace. They follow the Bible’s exhortation: “Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”—Romans 12:21.
 

16 hours ago, Witness said:

None of the JWs here have even dared comment on what GB Stephen Lett said during your convention. 

Lett: - "You hear people say of a little baby, ‘look at that little angel’, but more accurate would be to say, ‘look at that little enemy of God’”.

The Law of Liberty (Matthew 7:1–6 ; Luke 6:37–42)

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on his opinions. 2 For one person has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

14 hours ago, Witness said:

Servants of Christ are to work together and obey truth under our Master.

*** w98 3/15 p. 21 par. 14 Living Up to Christian Dedication in Freedom ***
14 The Governing Body is a loving provision and an example of faith worthy of imitation. (Philippians 3:17; Hebrews 13:7) By their adhering to and following Christ as a model, they can echo Paul’s words: “Not that we are the masters over your faith, but we are fellow workers for your joy, for it is by your faith that you are standing.” (2 Corinthians 1:24) By observing trends, the Governing Body draws attention to the benefits of heeding Bible counsel, offers suggestions about applying Bible laws and principles, warns of hidden dangers, and provides “fellow workers” needed encouragement. It thus discharges its Christian stewardship, helps them to maintain their joy, and builds them up in faith so that they can stand firm.—1 Corinthians 4:1, 2; Titus 1:7-9.