George88

James, you misunderstand me. I don't require anyone to experience what they already are in the eyes of God. That decision is solely yours, not mine. It is time for all of you to take responsibility for what you have become, especially those who claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses, yet are bringing reproach to his name.
The crucial factor for God is not external intelligence, but rather the inner wisdom to employ reasoning and understanding in accordance with God's knowledge. When individuals exhibit a deficiency in this inner knowledge, they are undermining the purpose of God's guidance for humanity. In essence, they are rejecting everything that God has revealed to mankind, thereby mirroring the rejection of Christ as the Israelites once did, despite witnessing the power of God firsthand.
The absence of intellectual rigor burdens us individually. Therefore, if we exhibit it in public, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Spiritual maturity encompasses that.

While there is some truth to your statement, it is important to address and highlight the gravity of apostasy and false accusations against the Watchtower and Governing Body. These actions transcend mere linguistic abuse. Just as the Apostle warned against improper behavior, he also admonished those who strayed from the path of God's teachings and led His faithful astray.
We need to weigh these facts carefully. Unfortunately, there is one abusive person here who is making it challenging for the rest of the group, which falls under that provision of self-righteousness.
Even when attempting to engage in a civil discussion, we inevitably encounter subtle insults from the opposing side that many prefer to overlook. There is absolutely no excuse or justification to shield certain individuals simply because they identify as JWs, while they hypocritically condemn others who are merely defending themselves.
In the past, individuals were banned from this site for engaging or having personal exchanges with you. While advocating for a peaceful resolution is commendable, it is even more crucial to condemn the recurrent trend of apostate tendencies, and I sincerely hope to welcome a rational mind if there are positive interactions to be made.
It is truly unfortunate that apostasy is tolerated in our community, as it serves as a cover for the apostate actions of those who claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses.
When we empower and align ourselves with those who believe they have the right to criticize the spirituality of the Governing Body or impose their own interpretation of scripture as fact, we must examine our own integrity. By doing so, we may find ourselves complicit and biased in our understanding of the Bible.
Then, criticizing those critics becomes fair game, as they are promoting their opinions in a public forum for everyone to see. This is something that you yourself have embraced in the past.
If this were a judicial committee, those individuals would have been disfellowshipped a long time ago, even though they think it would be me instead. However, a decision must be made, and when one's actions align with scriptural truth while others rely on falsehoods, it becomes evident who should be disregarded.
Therefore, Apostle Paul's mission was also to identify those who were willing to tear down what Christ had established, by exposing and preventing it from happening, as stated in scripture. Paul was also not kind when delivering his message through his letters.
There appears to be some confusion regarding the nature of Christ's love, with some people believing it to be unconditional. However, it was Christ who set the example, while Paul was entrusted with the responsibility of establishing certain conditions for it.
Some of the individuals within the closed club were once upstanding responsible men who have strayed from the path of righteousness. This is inexcusable and should not be condoned by any Jehovah's Witness. Furthermore, there are those who condone this behavior by offering support to a disfellowshipped individual who has yet to show any sign of remorse and is still accountable under secular law for a serious offense. It is disheartening to see so-called Jehovah's Witnesses defending such a person.
Therefore, the statement may seem appropriate, but it lacks the essential correction that a faithful follower of Christ should carry. We are called to ensure that our brothers' spirituality is not influenced by negative influences, in accordance with bible principles.
The most effective solution to your profound sorrow would be to reach out to your close companions within the closed club and kindly request that they refrain from espousing apostate perspectives and disseminating falsehoods. By doing so, they would avoid revealing their true character to the general public. In turn, this would eliminate the need for individuals like myself to bring such behavior to light.
What better representation of God's guiding strength is there than to engage in a noble struggle like Christ? James truly captured this sentiment in James 1:2-4.
That is the main concern, and yes, it is indeed unfortunate but essential. Witnesses cannot, with a clear conscience, overlook the misconduct of apostasy or associate themselves with individuals who advocate for such misguided agendas under the guise of debate, especially when these individuals refuse to acknowledge their own errors. Mark 10:27 / Romans 8:28

If someone cannot tear their eyes away from a gruesome car accident, it reveals more about the dark nature of their mind than the accident itself.

I feel sad when I see these verbal exchanges - almost abusive.  It is exactly the behavior which Paul so often wrote about as unacceptable.  Frankly the forum seems to be an enclosed a tank of sharks where anyone who warns against taking things too far is slaughtered and quartered and are called snowflakes - meaning they are self-righteous........ . Is the bible teaching not that we should try our utmost to be blameless? But in egotism people pull each other apart! .... and challenge each other.
 We are so close to the UN taking power.  The previous attempts failed but the new negotiations are ongoing and we may see the UN take power by end of May... and in September there also the World Summit.  UN (after this event) will be in a position to call peace and security and also to turn against religion; especially after  some religions may not comply with the take over of all finances and the new CBDC system by which no=one will not be able to buy or sell without approval of the image of the beast..
We do not know the day and the hour but we know the "season". We should now be so active in preaching to all - so they have a chance.  Time is running out - it is not the time to be bickering over silly things.

You keep debating word semantics when it's clear that "courts" refers to the court system, as seen in the book of Judges that Moses developed under the guidance of God that was used during King David's time. Instead of ignoring the existence of a court system, why not consider Jesus' time and the court system then? It's misleading to cherry-pick Bible passages to make baseless claims when the Bible actually supports the presence of a legal system for addressing crimes and punishment, some of which were directly handed down by God.
Your approach was ineffective then and remains so now. Cease using empty words. It only makes you appear immature.

Is personal acquaintance with you necessary to comprehend the reasons behind individuals renouncing their beliefs? How fulfilling can one's existence be without knowledge and wisdom? I must emphasize that your vague assertions conveniently overlook the fact that you, too, are judging me. Thus, your statements are not only ignorant but also hypocritical. My objective is merely to grasp the intricacies of human behavior, allowing for accurate assessments to be made. Even a child as young as two years old would recognize the persistence of a repeated visual stimulus. I implore you to construct coherent arguments or at least attempt to convey a semblance of intelligence.

Given that I have consistently demonstrated numerous proofs countless times, it is evident that you individuals assert an unwarranted authority to pass judgment. However, I must inform you that your expectations for acceptance or denial will be met with a considerable delay, as I hold no concern for your personal opinions regarding the undeniable truth that you persistently choose to ignore. I have reiterated this fact on previous occasions, and it bears repeating: you individuals hold no significance in this matter.

By the way, I suggest not deflect on your incorrect statement regarding King David's Courts.

So, why are people like you, James/Pudgy, even allowed in the closed club? Is that really the best excuse you have for your rants and madness? 
The thread's main purpose is to address uninformed apostates, yet you individuals within the closed club decided to include yourselves in that ignorance. Hence, it should be advisable to remain in your hypocritical club.

I don't think about perverts, but it seems that I am occupying a rent-free space in your mind. So, keep acting like what you desire. At least I'm not defending you.

In your case, it must be truly gratifying to receive upvotes from women in an exclusive community in your defense. However, this actually speaks volumes about their moral compass and its alignment with genuine human values, rather than the perceived accomplishment they associate with identifying as Christians.

In this thread, your main focus should be on Paul's words to the congregation of Corinth in 1 Corinthians 3:5-17. Let's dive into the depths of the Ministry: Watering, Working, and Warning.
If there's one verse that should be thoroughly grasped, it's verse 15. It becomes evident, with each instance of banning someone like me, that you persistently refuse to acknowledge the Lord through your actions. And so, it speaks volumes about your deceitful ministry, rather than casting doubt on my application of biblical truth. The guilt of shedding innocent blood rests upon your hands, while mine remain untainted by it.
What is the moral of the story for those who build upon God's temple versus those who willfully tear down that temple? Are you seriously suggesting that God will favor such behavior and reward it in the end?
Friberg, Analytical Greek Lexicon
[Fri] πῦρ, πυρός, τό fire; (1) literally, as an earthly phenomenon (MT 17.15); (2) figuratively; (a) in the future, of divine judgment place of punishment (MT 3.10); (b) as a destructive force (JA 3.5); (c) of trials as a purifying force (1P 1.7); (d) as a sign of the divine presence (AC 7.30; RV 1.14)
Then you can relate to chapter 4. Stop distorting God's love to fit your own apostasy; it simply doesn't work that way. If anything, you should be protecting your brothers from it, not defending it.
Unless you can biblically demonstrate from scripture that God accepts apostasy or any form of unrepentance, you need to show that as a biblical fact. It's crucial to consider the biblical perspective on this matter before promoting it.

It wasn't me who rang it, it was your accomplice, so if you need someone to hold responsible, point the finger at JWI. I'm simply responding to these baseless accusations.
I don't see why you keep defending the indefensible.
 

It's truly remarkable how you believe that your existence and words hold any significance to me. In my perspective, you lost your sense of humanity the moment you turned into a pervert. So, rant away!

James, once again, you've failed. My goal isn't to win an argument, but rather to reveal your apostasy, which I have successfully accomplished. Given that your opinion holds no value, your analogy is even more insignificant. 

Don't forget who initiated this discord and conflict. It wasn't me, but your arrogant response as a former Bethelite and once ministerial servant. It is your group of people who consistently fail to recognize your own ad hominem attacks and insults. Quit attempting to portray yourself in a positive light when in reality, that image is pitiful.

You and your cohorts are not exempt from employing those tactics, as you try to appear innocent. There are countless instances of deceptive tactics that stem from you, JWI, and those within your exclusive group who persistently replicate your unfounded allegations and distorted interpretations.
Hence, your persistence in following this misguided path and claiming that I have not provided any evidence holds no ground. Your baseless accusation is as futile as your deceptive strategies. It is noteworthy that individuals like yourself, namely Tom, Anna, Xero, Thinking, James, and several others, resort to these very tactics of diversion. However, rest assured that concealing the truth from God is an impossible endeavor.
I already made it clear: if you cannot provide any intellectual biblical support for this topic, please refrain from participating in the discussion, and keep your dog muzzled.

In Luke, the outward demonstration of repentance serves as a clear indication for observers to recognize and accept it. Deceitful repentance, on the other hand, holds no validity. In essence, simply stating "I repent" lacks justification without a visible demonstration of sincere remorse.
A person doesn't need to read minds or hearts, they just need to SEE it. However, one crucial point that your analogy lacks is that God can read the minds and hearts of people. If someone shows a deceitful tendency by simply saying "I repent" without meaning it, God will find a way to expose that deceitful heart. None of us can hide from God.
The key understanding in this situation is how the divine essence operates within individuals who bear the weight of responsibility, while remaining elusive to those who do not.

In Luke, the outward demonstration of repentance serves as a clear indication for observers to recognize and accept it. Deceitful repentance, on the other hand, holds no validity. In essence, simply stating "I repent" lacks justification without a visible demonstration of sincere remorse.
A person doesn't need to read minds or hearts, they just need to SEE it. However, one crucial point that your analogy lacks is that God can read the minds and hearts of people. If someone shows a deceitful tendency by simply saying "I repent" without meaning it, God will find a way to expose that deceitful heart. None of us can hide from God.
The key understanding in this situation is how the divine essence operates within individuals who bear the weight of responsibility, while remaining elusive to those who do not.

The message in 1 Peter 3:15 does not extend to individuals who persist in deceitful behavior like yourself JWI. You use tactics like bluster, obfuscation, distraction, and pretense to hold onto anything that could be mistakenly seen as backing your own interpretation. This aligns with Paul's mission to uncover those who deviate from Christ's teachings, such as yourself, claiming to understand scripture when in reality you do not.
If you don't have anything valuable to contribute, please refrain from commenting on the thread.

Bravo! You've touched upon the core issue here, just as the apostle Paul did in his time. When presenting facts as truth, it is crucial to rely on God's understanding rather than solely on man-made perspectives, as you suggest. 
This sort of dogma has persisted here for far too long, and it is high time we address it. This is a good reason to bring it to the attention of sincere and genuine witnesses who enter this forum seeking truth, only to find apostasy fueled by a small group of resentful witnesses who, due to their long-standing service in the organization, feel they have the right to complain without proper justification or reasoning.
Many of us have dedicated over 60 years of service to Jehovah and have encountered numerous reasons to express our concerns. However, as you rightly stated, we are all imperfect. Therefore, it would be inappropriate for anyone to believe that their perspective is inherently superior to that of the responsible individuals within the Watchtower organization.
It undermines the message of Christ that Paul was entrusted with the "mission" to guide the faithful followers of Christ by trivializing, exposing, and otherwise rebuking those who tried to lead the followers astray with their own interpretations, similar to the Pharisees who added to the laws of Moses.
So, it was crucial for the apostle Paul to not only gain acceptance for his ministry, considering his past as a persecutor of Christians, but also to reinforce his message to those who might cause their fellow believers to stumble. After all, apostasy is just another form of stumbling.
I hope that your fellow members in the closed club will adopt a rational mindset and enthusiastically welcome your proposal for this forum. My aim is to prioritize the presentation of biblical truth with a focus on accurate interpretation, rather than excessive speculation, and with this, I joyfully welcome your analogy, thank you. 

I was intrigued by the opening statement of this poignant comment that was made in another thread just recently.
"Can someone tell me what is the point of this thread? Oh never mind, ignore (the) question. Sorry I asked." 
Could someone shed light on why this comment is not employed by numerous, if not countless, apostate posts that have been produced here in the past or present? Even those that are not explicitly labeled as apostate carry subtle undertones, as they originate from professed witnesses who express grievances. But why are these posts necessary if disseminating misinformation contradicts the teachings of Christ?
What is the purpose behind engaging in endless, distorted debates that serve no productive end? Can visitors see the irony of the question? I have come to terms with the fact that finding genuine, respectful conversation here is unlikely, as there are certain individuals who relish in criticism and seek to create discord within God's organization. They label themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses, but their actions bring shame upon Him, much like they believe mine does and strangely enough, they appear unfazed by this reality. But is there a difference in God's eyes with the actions that we take? There certainly is? I uphold God's truth while they fight for their personal honor, not as Christians but as individuals. So, it will be of no surprise, then, that they will perceive this post as negative and expect others to reciprocate in kind.
"Can someone tell me what is the point of this thread?"
I believe there was a discussion thread regarding Galatians 1:8. This thread complements the previous one, offering a genuine understanding of Paul's words. It reflects the attitude people adopt in other threads when engaging in arguments.
This thread is titled "No Other Gospel," and it delves into the profound message of Galatians 1:6-10. Previously, much emphasis was placed on a single word: "accursed." This word carries immense weight, as it not only serves as a critique directed towards those in Galatia who had strayed from the teachings of Christ, but it also serves as a fervent condemnation of those who engage in apostasy.
The contrast between Jesus and Paul is truly staggering. Jesus initiated a transformative ministry that eventually became known as Christianity. His mission was to demonstrate that God's love for the Jews had not been forsaken. On the other hand, Paul played a crucial role in upholding and furthering this ministry. Not only did he work tirelessly to maintain its momentum, but he also strived to shed light on any potential deviations from the true message of Christ.
Paul's words were often exceedingly harsh, resonating with unparalleled dissonance. They were a powerful rebuke to those who sought to seduce others by betraying the teachings of Christ. He saw them as perverted to the truth and the gospel. This was because Christ had already established the standards for living a Christian life, and no one was to undermine those standards.
Some fake witnesses here have falsely claimed that the Watchtower Governing Body can be considered "accursed." These people, without proper evidence, allege that the Governing Body is deviating from the gospel of Christ.
The challenge then becomes: how can individuals who lack a deep understanding of scripture discern when someone else is deviating from Christ's Gospel? In truth, they cannot. However, many have conditioned their minds and hearts to embrace a false conclusion. This is precisely what Paul vehemently rebuked - those who mistakenly believe they comprehend Christ's gospel, yet possess an erroneous perspective. Such individuals, who dissent from the truth, are indeed deserving of condemnation.
Therefore, Biblical Scholars would view this as "A Apostolic Curse."
After Apostle Paul became skilled in delivering warm greetings and salutations to the congregations, a question arises: why do conflicted Christians fail to perceive or comprehend the striking contrast in which God permitted Paul's Ministry to persist, despite His potential displeasure with the stern rebukes Paul directed towards his fellow Christians when he deemed it necessary? Once again, God observed the repetition of disobedience to Christ's mission, just as the ancient Israelites did, after they deviated from their commitment to follow the one true God. 
Even today, we can still observe the same parallel: there are those who, in their arrogance, choose to rely on their own understanding instead of being guided by the spirit of the gospel, as exemplified by the Watchtower GB, which they unjustly condemn.
How did Paul approach the situations in Galatia and Rome? 
Galatians 2:21 New International Version
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
Romans 6:14 New International Version
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Jehovah's Witnesses must be cautious about whom they consider a brother, as they might unknowingly be dealing with someone who distorts the gospel's message. It is important to "rebuke" dissenters and reveal them as deceivers, as the gospels instruct. While they dislike being labeled, they are quick to falsely label the Watchtower GB. What should not concern us is when a dissenter rebukes, for self-justification rather than biblical justification.

1 Timothy 5:20 Christian Standard Bible
20 Publicly rebuke those who sin, so that the rest will be afraid.
Luke 17:3-4 New International Version
3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sister[a] sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. 4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”
The operative word here is "repent." Without it, there is a limit to God's forgiveness.
Romans 6:19 New International Version
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
1 Corinthians 8-9-13 New International Version
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

The precise date of Jesus' birth is a subject of speculation, with some suggesting it occurred in either 2 BC or 4 BC. If we consider 2 BC, there is an interesting discrepancy with the calendar months. In Tishri, the festival celebration takes place, but Jesus commanded his followers to observe Nisan 14. According to the Jewish calendar, this corresponds to the Passover Sacrifice (Pesach) on April 18, 2 B.C., which adds further significance to Jesus' birth.
The scripture does not mention the celebration of Jesus' birth on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) on Tishri 1, 3760, which falls on September 29, 2 B.C.
As you have confessed to secretly celebrating your own birthday, which is no longer a secret, it would be up to your conscience if you want to celebrate Jesus birthday. However, since the date isn't determined, by accepting the possibility of Jesus being born in 2 B.C., you will need to make some adjustments. As I mentioned before, since the exact date is unknown, it is reasonable to consider anywhere from 6 to 1 B.C. There are biblical scholars who suggest that John the Baptist was born approximately 6 months before Jesus, which would place John's birth in 1 B.C., according to Wiki. You can also take into account the age at which Jesus started his ministry, you can even trace back from that.
Shhh! Don't spill the beans to your friends, family, or fellow believers outside this forum. Just kidding, I'm just teasing you.

The message in 1 Peter 3:15 does not extend to individuals who persist in deceitful behavior like yourself JWI. You use tactics like bluster, obfuscation, distraction, and pretense to hold onto anything that could be mistakenly seen as backing your own interpretation. This aligns with Paul's mission to uncover those who deviate from Christ's teachings, such as yourself, claiming to understand scripture when in reality you do not.
If you don't have anything valuable to contribute, please refrain from commenting on the thread.

Always good to hear from you. I know that in the past, several of those same criticisms you just made here, are ones you have addressed directly to me. I appreciate anyone who sticks up for their beliefs with reasons and expresses concerns with reason even. Some merely express disagreement because they don't like the source, or they don't like what a particular disagreement would likely mean to their "comfort zone" if they were to look more deeply into the matter. So they cut off all thinking about it and just bluster and obfuscate and distract and pretend. They latch on to anything that might be confused as support for their own take on a matter. Failing that, they resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks. 
You, on the other hand, have always looked more deeply into the points of "controversy" discussed here and you have always taken the 1 Peter 3:15 approach.  
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."