Ann O'Maly
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It all sounds a little 'gnostic,' 4Jah2me. Do you believe the 'true anointed remnant' have a dual nature, i.e. they are spirits inhabiting a physical body? Does this mean the 'true anointed remnant' cannot err in matters of interpretation or doctrine?
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1 hour ago, AlanF said:
Well, as I understand that situation, mutations played little or no part in it. Rather, natural genetic variations -- not mutations -- were selected by environmental conditions. So the situation nicely showed how natural selection acts upon variations from any source.
I thought mutations played a role too? Something to do with ALX1? I'm not going to pretend I understand the ins and outs of it, but if Table 2 in this article is anything to go by ...
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6 minutes ago, Arauna said:15 minutes ago, AlanF said:
Mutations occur by chance.
Yes, but it is RARELY is beneficial. The number of incorrect mutations would have exceeded the benefits....
Tell that to the finches on Daphne Major!
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4 minutes ago, Arauna said:
The mountains became higher with the rapid movement of the tectonic plates......we find sea life above the mountains.... .. it was a catastrophic event. There were volcanoes and the water violently broke free from the bottom if the earth as well as the water band above the expanse breaking ...... furthermore ..... weigh a bucket of water........ feel how heavy it weighs..... that pressure of the water after it came down and the tsunamis it formed wrecked the old world completely. It also explains how fast the layers of sediment formed. .....also coal and oil. One needs pressure to form coal and NO oxygen present. Water can do that!
Tectonic plates do not move rapidly. Read an Earth history book sometime.
Think: How would all these nice sea-life/seashell-filled sediments have been laid down in a tsunami? 🙄 How does that physically work?
And this:
QuoteIt also explains how fast the layers of sediment formed. .....also coal and oil. One needs pressure to form coal and NO oxygen present. Water can do that!
🤣 🤣 🤣 Water pressure made coal and oil? Just too funny! I don't even know where to start! Hahahaha!
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33 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:
Because without them we cannot know the true meaning of scripture.
So your argument appears to be: we can only know the Bible is true or its true meaning when other people - the 'right' people - tell us it is true and explain the meaning to us. Is that correct?
37 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:And as for believing 'scientists', they are only men and women. They get paid for results. And he who pays the piper calls the tune.
I see. Are you saying the 'true anointed remnant' are not men and women, and they have no tune to call?
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1 minute ago, 4Jah2me said:
Where would be the faith if you had material evidence in front of you ?
So that goes back to AlanF's point about believing anything at all if no evidence is needed to validate that belief.
In that case, in the absence of evidence, on what basis can you believe the Bible to be true?
7 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:Now was the flood of the 'earth' or of the 'world' ?
How do you interpret 'earth' or 'world'?
Are the terms as absolute and literal as in this passage from Zephaniah 1, for instance:
“I will completely sweep away everything from the surface of the ground,” declares Jehovah.
“I will sweep away man and beast.
I will sweep away the birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea,
And the stumbling blocks along with the wicked ones;
And I will remove mankind from the surface of the ground,” declares Jehovah.
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For by the fire of his zeal the whole earth will be consumed,
Because he will make an extermination, indeed a terrible one, of all the inhabitants of the earth.”
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Just to emphasize that the issue here is whether or not a global flood happened c. 4,400 years ago.
https://ncse.ngo/yes-noahs-flood-may-have-happened-not-over-whole-earth
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59 minutes ago, Arauna said:
I listened to a talk by klaus Schwab and Elon musk. I also listened to a podcast. These people believe in scientism - a religion.
I didn't hear that one. I heard the conversation between Cyberdyne Systems Director of Special Projects, Miles Dyson and anti-robotics activist Sarah Connor. It got pretty heated, I can tell you!
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14 hours ago, Arauna said:
But we knew it was going that way - their AI can spawn killer machines because it was originally programmed by humans with a flaw. Now the AI entities are already writing their own programs. The drone war recently proved stronger than the Russian weapons. Azerbaijan received drones from Turkey and Armenia received Russian weapons. Conventional weapons lost against the drones...... new technology for the good of man?
I heard about this! This is something tech giant Cyberdyne Systems has been working on for a while now. They have developed a network of AI-controlled supercomputers called Skynet and the goal is to replace human civilian and military airplane pilots with machines. There was concern that Skynet would become self-aware and kick-start a global nuclear war! I saw it on TV. It's like something out of science fiction!
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2 hours ago, Arauna said:
Negating the main reason I used this example in the first place..... typical evolutional thinking. Negate the real issue and answer a side issue.
Let's try again. You said the Spanish Flu virus doesn't exist anymore - it had gone extinct because mutations are harmful.
My point (supported by the science if you bother to check) is that the Spanish Flu was one strain of the Influenza A/H1N1 virus group which still exists today. Not only that, but the 2009 'Swine Flu,' according to my sources, is a descendant of the Spanish Flu strain. Therefore, the Spanish Flu strain survived long enough to reproduce and mutate, i.e. evolve, into new strains over the next 90 years. Coming to your quote, the original Spanish Flu H1N1 strain has been extracted from human remains (those that died from the disease in 1918) and its genome sequenced ... which has helped virologists trace the 1918 strain's evolution into modern H1N1 strains. Get it?
I know most of this paragraph will go over your head but pay close attention to the part in red bold.
"Although the pandemic influenza viruses of 1957, 1968, and 2009 are all descended, via different pathways, from the 1918 virus, only the 2009 pandemic virus expresses an antigenically similar hemagglutinin (HA) (11). All influenza A viruses (IAV), including the 1918 virus, possess a segmented single-stranded RNA genome and can evolve by the accumulation of selected mutations (“antigenic drift”) or through the exchange of gene segments by reassortment with other influenza viruses (“antigenic shift”). Sequencing the 1918 virus provided the basis for the subsequent understanding that the key 2009 virus HA gene, after having apparently been transmitted from humans to pigs in or about 1918, had been maintained in pigs over the past 90 years or so as a separate lineage from the 1918 human pandemic H1N1 virus (11), a lineage that has long been recognized as the “classical” swine H1N1 influenza virus. When the 2009 pandemic virus emerged in humans with a swine H1 HA gene descended from, and still closely related antigenically to, the 1918 pandemic virus, extensive cross-protection between the 2009 and 1918 pandemic viruses was demonstrated in experimental animals (12–16). " (Another source)
Thus, what you initially said was, at best, misleading. The Spanish Flu virus didn't die out. It changed.
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On 1/1/2021 at 3:17 PM, Ann O'Maly said:On 1/1/2021 at 2:07 PM, Arauna said:
The biological mathematics are so messed up. Ie. The rate of mutations ........ one can take the flu of the great war WW1. This virus has already gone extinct. Due to the number of mutations it has not survived.
Influenza A/H1N1 (Spanish 'flu was a strain of this) still exists. The Spanish 'flu virus just evolved and diversified into other strains of H1N1, most notably that which caused the 'Swine 'Flu' pandemic of 2009. A lot of us are even vaccinated against this 2009 distant descendant of the 1918 strain every year. (Source.)
Arauna's quote:
"It is interesting to note that the H1N1 flu strain that caused the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was extinct until very recently. This strain has been recently resurrected to allow for its scientific study and is closely guarded in a containment facility in Atlanta, Georgia." (Arauna's source - a review of a book about the Spanish 'flu)
You haven't negated anything I said. Read my source.
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Well, I'm afraid my Xmas break is rapidly coming to an end and so must my forum frolics. I'll leave all you boys to carry on slugging it out between yourselves. 😁
Neil, I wish I could say it's been a pleasure but you're still the same knucklehead you've always been, sadly. If you change your mind about wanting to learn how to use an astroprogram and check Furuli's claims about VAT 4956 and other astronomical tablets, you know how to contact me. Hooroo again!
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40 minutes ago, scholar JW said:
Ann O'Maly
Well done for posting this page from Albertz's book.
Thank you. It's not hard. You should try learning these kinds of skills too ...
... if you can be bothered, of course 😉
40 minutes ago, scholar JW said:You will notice that this scholar throughout this book that there was only ONE Exile-the Babylonian Exile,
I didn't notice that at all. I did notice that he talked about the exilic era consisting of more than one deportation to Babylon.
40 minutes ago, scholar JW said:Albertz titled his book not as the 'Exiles of Israel' but the singular-'ISRAEL IN EXILE'. I rest my case.
Ahh, so you are acknowledging the exile/diaspora of Israel in the 8th century BCE too (p. 2). OK.
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When the Oct 1, 2011 WT on p. 26-7 quoted Albertz,
'...the event marked an important turning point in the history of God’s people. One historian said that it led to “a catastrophe, indeed the ultimate catastrophe.”'
it apparently missed that Albertz was comparing the negative and defeatist viewpoint of the 587/6 destruction and resulting exile by the writer(s) of 1 & 2 Kings with the more positive outlook given by Jeremiah. Therefore, Albertz wasn't expressing his own view of the exile as implied by the way WT used his quote, but the books of Kings' pessimistic view of the exile.
From p. 7 of Albertz's book for context leading up to WT's quote:
I thought I'd just point this out 🙂
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58 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Explaining a metaphor to Ann that any child would instantly understand,
th study 8 Illustrations That Teach p. 11
HOW TO DO IT:
Make sure that the features of your illustration really apply to the lesson you are teaching so that your listeners are not distracted by mismatched elements.
😉😁
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2 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Yes. It is a blockage on Evolution Row.
... which life then channels through and/or gets around.
What was your metaphor trying to teach again?
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@TrueTomHarley, maybe the tree has an antitype?
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So, what does the rickety car represent, @TrueTomHarley? Is there an antitype in there somewhere?
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What, in your metaphor, was analogous to a living organism, @TrueTomHarley? You, the driver? What mutation did you spontaneously develop that caused you to lose control of the car? 🤪
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1 hour ago, Arauna said:
Evolution is more like a " religious doctrine " than science. Scarce evidence is provided for the "miraculous" claims and when one scrutinizes it closely one sees all the deep flaws. These flaws usually have been accepted by peer review because some person thought up another highly unlikely theory to explain gross inconsistencies ...... and then it is accepted by the high priest. Its foundation and subsequent bricks is like a clump of sand.
Clueless. 🙄
1 hour ago, Arauna said:The biological mathematics are so messed up. Ie. The rate of mutations ........ one can take the flu of the great war WW1. This virus has already gone extinct. Due to the number of mutations it has not survived.
Influenza A/H1N1 (Spanish 'flu was a strain of this) still exists. The Spanish 'flu virus just evolved and diversified into other strains of H1N1, most notably that which caused the 'Swine 'Flu' pandemic of 2009. A lot of us are even vaccinated against this 2009 distant descendant of the 1918 strain every year. (Source.)
1 hour ago, Arauna said:If humans are as old as they say we are, our own mutations would already have made us go extinct. Mutations are destructive - rarely has a beneficial outcome.
And many mutations are beneficial or harmless to the organism (look at the success of viruses, for example!).
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So they are humans. Men and women.
How would you know?