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  1. Ann O'Maly
    I can see that. You agree that getting married has lesser gravity in the great universal scheme of things than baptism, right? What if you overheard this conversation between a father and his mid-teen son? "But dad, while I like the girl and we're friendly, I do not feel ready to make a lifelong commitment to her. I'm too young to get married." "Oh yeah? Not ready? Well let's hold off on your driver's license, hey?" "What? Dad? You're kidding, right? I'm 16. I'm ready to drive a car!" "No, son. You're ready to handle a car but not ready for marriage, huh? You explain that to the girl's family." "What the hell, dad?" Is the father being reasonable with his son? Isn't the father using some form of coercion or blackmail to induce his son to get married? If this isn't a form of coercion or blackmail, what is it?
  2. Ann O'Maly
    Having to hide in caves and among Israel's enemies to evade death at the hands of God's anointed king doesn't count as being an outcast? Really?
  3. Ann O'Maly
    Yep, David was playing both sides and it worked out for him. But doesn't David's example emphasize loyalty to Jehovah over and above loyalty to a nation or human ruler, even if that meant he was an outcast in the eyes of God's anointed?
  4. Ann O'Maly
    How are the two in any way equivalent? AMIII threatened to hold off on granting one of his sons a drivers licence when he turned 16 when his son said he didn't feel ready for baptism. That was blackmail.
  5. Ann O'Maly
    It doesn't. I doubt whether anyone's seriously considering putting members of the Org's leadership to death. It's interesting that David defected to Saul's and Israel's enemy, the Philistines, for a while (1 Sam. 27-29). How does that sit with the issue of loyalty?
  6. Ann O'Maly
    So Moses was not prophesying in this instance, was he?
  7. Ann O'Maly
    Therefore, loyalty to Him may mean disloyalty to a religious leadership's actions or beliefs.
  8. Ann O'Maly
    Another sweeping generalization. Many of the ones who left retained Bible Student/JW beliefs on these. Also, you need to realize that Christians who advocate the Trinity and hellfire have scriptural texts to back them up and would argue that the JW views are non-biblical. It's a matter of perspective. Stayed 'where' or ... ? John 6:68: Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. Do you see the difference? It's not a 'where' but a 'whom.' Religious organizations can come and go and veer off the rails. Christians believe God and His Son are constants through all that and they are the ones who can save a believer in the end - not an organization.
  9. Ann O'Maly
    Really? So where did they get the idea from? How did they come to the 'logical conclusion' that 1935 was when the heavenly calling ended?
  10. Ann O'Maly
    Thank you for the confirmation.
  11. Ann O'Maly
    Are you suggesting that the Org acted on its own with 1925 and 1975, not following Jehovah's instructions?
  12. Ann O'Maly
    So if someone claims to have had a message revealed by the Lord himself, and yet the message turns out to be faulty, we can conclude either ... - the Lord gave faulty information, or - the person didn't accurately convey the Lord's message, or -the person didn't receive the Lord's message.
  13. Ann O'Maly
    No it didn't. Neither did the Nazis and Fascists 'grab Switzerland.' Look more closely at what Rutherford claimed and to whom he attributed his insights: No, this was 1941 in the middle of the war. Look up the quote for yourself. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5jNoZSyIWQWZWtHUm8zdkw3OVE/view If a GB member said that the new release was the 'Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon,' what would you conclude about when Armageddon was coming? The article's theme Scripture was Dan. 2:44 - you know, the one about how God's kingdom would smash all the human kingdoms to smithereens? It wasn't only the Nazi Fascist hierarchy that was to be destroyed but all the earthly governments. Check out the article for yourself - same link as above. Nazi rule ended, but all the other 'kingdoms' remained.
  14. Ann O'Maly
    'Persecution'? You are not being tarred and feathered, are you? Are you being imprisoned and tortured until you renounce Christ? Are you being thrown out of your homes and hounded out of town for being a JW? Expressing criticisms, concerns and reporting negative behavior about a religious group (which all will admit is an imperfect one anyway) is hardly 'persecution.'
  15. Ann O'Maly
    I guess you haven't done searches on the SDAs or LDS or Scientology to see how much the internet is picking on them. You are attuned to noticing anything JW while mentally filtering out other religions' controversies (with the exception, perhaps, of the Catholics). Sometimes you just need to swim outside the fish bowl to see what's going on in the bigger ocean.
  16. Ann O'Maly
    I didn't see the part where he publicized to the other Hebrews that God had revealed he was using him to save them. Is there a verse somewhere?
  17. Ann O'Maly
    You're late to this party. Here's a recap. For a long time, JWs taught that 1935 was the year the door to the heavenly calling closed. In 2007, the Org changed its mind and said that the door to the heavenly calling seems to be open still. Numbers of partakers kept going up every year so the '1935 door closed' idea was no longer tenable - evidently there had to be a rethink. Check your WT CD-ROM.
  18. Ann O'Maly
    That's a sweeping statement. How do you know that they didn't leave because they loved Jehovah and Jesus more than an organization they felt had led them down a false path?
  19. Ann O'Maly
    Can you give me an instance from the Bible where a true prophet got Jehovah's message wrong?
  20. Ann O'Maly
    So then, if Jehovah was using a congregation member to correct the Org or elders, and the congregation member was punished for doing so, surely it is the Org or elders who need to repent of their actions and not the congregation member who was used by Jehovah, right?
  21. Ann O'Maly
    Define "soon."
  22. Ann O'Maly
    I know, metaphorically, we can all have our own personal 'Armageddons,' but I don't think JWs ever taught that Armageddon was something indwelling or inherent.
  23. Ann O'Maly
    Right about what? Each teaching has to be judged on its scriptural and evidentiary merits ... or otherwise. And who knows what the org will be teaching in 5 years time!
  24. Ann O'Maly
    ... which said that they dropped that understanding. JWs no longer believe that 1935 is the cut-off point for the heavenly calling. You might as well ask how JWs can prove from the Bible that Jesus' invisible return occurred in 1874 or that organ transplants are wrong or that Jehovah's throne is near Alcyone. Sheesh. The historical doctrinal reasons for Rutherford choosing the 1935 date are interesting, however.
  25. Ann O'Maly
    I gave a response the last time you asked this same question. See link below.
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