Peter Carroll

Good for you! Witness is known here as an apostate and most of us ignore her - although she has some followers who think like she does. 
It is called Gog and Magog because the situation will ge very similar to Armageddon, wherein the enemies of Jehovah's rule will unify and form a coalition to destroy those who are faithful and holy  here on earth.... those who obey instructions from Jehovahs appointed king. . Jehovah will once again step in and save those loyal to Him. He will remove all those who have been seduced by Satan - all  opposors finally. No prolonged rebellion will be tolerated since the original issue, of who is the best ruler for the earth, has been proven.
 

It is a coalition of nations who come up against the Nation of Jehovah in the time of the end... as Ezekiel 38 so well describes.  People of all nations have been collected together in true worship to Jehovah but Gog of Magog devises an evil plan because it looks as if these people have no protection.  When this coalition of nations come up against Jehovah's people, Jehovah will step in to protect a great crowd  ho will survive Armageddon.
Like you, I have also looked at the names of Togarma, Tubal and Ross (Rus), Persia (Iran) and many of these countries who are (at present) part of the coalition of the King of the North (all with totalitarian regimes). 
We do not know who will further join the king of the North (India? some of those in africa and south america?) but we know that North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia are part of this new financial coalition...     We also know who are supporting the king of the South.  It is as if the entire world is now choosing sides. 
Russia has already started its march towards Jehovah's people on its own (as a single country), but soon there will be a whole coalition of nations together with it who want to take the spiritual spoil - take away all this pure worship. Will Russia and its allies lead this onslaught? - it seems like it .... but it is not a definite outcome.  We know that the UN (the image of the best or scarlet colored beast) will turn against ALL religion and then later, together with king of the North, UNITED against the people of Jehovah as Satan goes forth to finally attack pure worship.  Satan knows it is his deathblow to turn against Jehovah's people but he will be drawn out like a captive animal in iron hooks ........by Jehovah as the nations fulfill Jehovah's prophetic word.
I do detect that you divide the families of Noah into 3 distinct groups.  This is rather a simplistic view of what happened. While some of the nations can be tracked to the children of Noah and their offspring (many nations have a clear pathway from the children of Noah), one must still be careful to lump them together so simplistically. For 4 thousand years nations were taking slaves, going to war, displacing whole nations and murdering whole villages of peoples.  Some nations were assimilated by others. .... And while the language groups sometimes helps us to detect the origin of a nation (indo-european, sino group, kushites,  etc, a nation usually comprises many gene pools that were mingled - depending on who they fought in wars and how stable the geopolitical area was.  

There are several other posters that also pointed to the timing when the UN would make its move.... towards a One World Government (they will have one thought) Rev 16:13-14
They United Nations are the mouthpiece of Gog of Magog that will bring on the Great Tribulation (1 Thess 5:3)
 

That is a good start. Remember, you are dealing with an aggressive opponent that doesn't believe a word you say. It should also be noted, their words cannot be trusted, since, as you have mentioned, they lack the spirit of God. Their interest is to teardown the house of spiritual Israel.
Ezekiel 7 has two parts in its context. The hour of doom, 1-13, and the desolation of Israel, 14-27. The opponent commentators have clouded those two components. How do you prove they are wrong with understanding the bible's interpretation? Remember, they don't care about what is written in the organization. In some Bibles interpretation, the context in 14-27 means Idolaters condemned, and 1-13, means Ezekiel's Inaugural vision.
How do you defend what has been clouded by interpretation?

In some aspects of the proof they are offering commentator, both are pretty far off left field. So, two wrongs don't make a right for the bible.
We can say, one is close while the other isn't. I do agree, a good decision can be found by correct understanding of the bible.

I have no idea about anyone else. In my case, I don't find fault condemning your accusation, when the hostility comes from you. Consider your own behavior before you condemn someone else's.
Remember your own word's commentator: "Do as you please. I do not take you seriously anyway"
Another commentator apologized, and then it turned out to be insincere. Just because, people don't see eye to eye on certain things, doesn't mean they should be rude about it. 
In this case, you and, witness are as guilty as those being rude to you. Civility runs both ways. 
I'm new to this discussion forum. Does this mean, I'm not allowed to express my own opinion without being kicked out? I have stated before, if anyone feels, I shouldn't participate, let them be heard. For some reason, I was tagged by a commentator to be someone else, and that accusation continues.
This discussion forum shouldn't be about me or who I am, but what is posted as a topic. 

No.. the trigger for the Great Tribulation is:
1 Thessalonians 5:3
Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.
The UN is poised for this event in its last hour...  get it?  LAST HOUR...
"United Nations Member States decided to fundamentally transform the development coordination system to better enable the UN teams to support countries to achieve the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development." https://unsdg.un.org/2030-agenda
Matthew 24:39
and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the Presence of the Son of man will be.

The start of Armageddon starts with literal actions  such as "peace and security" . Not "spiritual" events.  This may be a request to work together to obtain "peace and different kinds of security" for the globe  by cooperation and actions.  We know that the "image of the beast" has been put in place to bring this goal about from its specified charter document. 
Thereafter, the turning against all religion is not a spiritual event.... but literal events which will clearly show where we are in the time-line.  The King of the North will go out of his space.....this is not a spiritual event but a real event with specific results which will be visible on earth.
I suspect - this is my own thought- that those who die before the call for peace and security,  may still receive a resurrection.  This event will be the sign that Armageddon and the Greatest tribulation has started. Those who die in this time - Jesus will  judge as sheep or goats.
We have all started to put on the new personality..... Jesus, the man with the inkpot (Ezekiel 9) will mark those with the Christian personality for survival. We all need to have on the white robes according to Revelation 7.  
We will grow to perfection AFTER we have lived through Armageddon and the full value of Christs ransom will be applied for all humans. 
The wicked will then have been removed. 

@Chioke Lin
Don't pay attention to @Witness or @Patiently waiting for Truth Both are ministers of Satan.  They are easily exposed... They belong to the Pearl Doxey Cult.
@Patiently waiting for Truth falsely accused me of being Billy the Kid / Allen et al. 
“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!" (Rev 12:10)
Satan will be abyssed during the 1,000 year Reign of Jesus Christ. 

A True Christian knows that the Earth will become a Paradise because Jehovah purposed it. Therefore, I had no need to respond to such deception that the earth will never become a Paradise.
It would be alikened to trying to reason with a drunk and bosterious person. Let the scripture intrept scripture. 
 
Isaiah 45:18
For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
Psalm 37:9
For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.
Psalm 37:10
Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there.
Psalm 37:20
But the wicked will perish; The enemies of Jehovah will vanish like glorious pastures; They will vanish like smoke.
Psalm 37:27
Turn away from bad and do what is good, And you will remain forever.
Psalm 37:29
The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
 
Psalm 37:34
Hope in Jehovah and follow his way, And he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked are done away with, you will SEE it.
 
Psalm 37:38
But all the transgressors will be destroyed; The future of wicked people will be cut off.
 

Those promises are true.  I believe in them and we can put our full trust in their words.  In fact, besides Jesus Christ who inherits the earth- the land, are his “righteous” members of his body – his “Bride”.  (Rev 19:7,8)
After Lot had departed, the Lord said to Abram, “Lookfrom the place where you stand to the north, south, east, and west. 15 I will give all the land that you see to you and your descendants forever. 16 And I will make your descendants like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone is able to count the dust of the earth, then your descendants also can be counted.”  Gen 3:15-16
So I’m sure we agree that Jesus was the promised physical seed of Abraham and that he inherits the earth as the second Adam.  (1 Cor 15:45)
He is also the promised spiritual seed.  So too, are the members of his spiritual body.
Gal 3:29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
God changed Jacob’s name to Israel. Spiritual “Israel” today are the anointed “elect”/chosen, under the New Covenant promise.  (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Gal 6:16; Rev 21:12)
 Here is the promise God gave to Jacob, Abraham’s grandson:
Meanwhile Jacob left Beer Sheba and set out for Haran. 11 He reached a certain place where he decided to camp because the sun had gone down. He took one of the stones and placed it near his head. Then he fell asleep in that place 12 and had a dream. He saw a stairway erected on the earth with its top reaching to the heavens. The angels of God were going up and coming down it 13 and the Lord stood at its top. He said, “I am the Lord, the God of your grandfather Abraham and the God of your father Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the ground you are lying on. 14 Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread outto the west, east, north, and south. And so all the families of the earth may receive blessings through you and through your descendants. 15 I am with you! I will protect you wherever you go and will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I promised you!”  Gen 28
Jesus and his Bride that “comes down from heaven” (“a stairway erected on the earth”, “the angels of God were going up and coming down on it”)
…inherit the earth.  By their union through the fulfillment of the New Covenant, the rest of God’s children receive life.  (Isa 66:7-11; Rev 21:2,3)
Jesus spoke again of the stairway with “angels” ascending and descending upon the Son of Man. (John 1:49-51) The “144,000” are not confined to a literal heaven as the organization describes.  Angels are defined as messengers, and God’s priests of “Israel” are the messengers of His word.  Mal 2:7  Even John the Baptist was described by the Greek word for “angel” as the "messenger" that came before Christ's arrival.  (Matt 11:10)
Rev 5:10 – “You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests (or a “priestly kingdom”) to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”
So there’s that. 
 
It is your organization’s “paradise” that comes into question. Read your scriptures over again.  See how sound the promises are.  Your doctrine of "paradise" doesn't hold up to scripture.   Just think of the meaning of the word, paradise.   “a very beautiful, pleasant, or peaceful place that seems to be perfect”
God’s Kingdom promises – PROMISES –  to
“wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will not exist any more—or mourning, or crying, or pain, for the former things have ceased to exist.”  Rev 21:4
Does God make such a promise to His righteous ones, and then allow Satan to pull the rug out from underneath this paradise? 
“ For every one of God’s promises are “Yes” in him; therefore also through him the “Amen” is spoken, to the glory we give to God.”  2 Cor 1:20
“Look, today I am about to die. You know with all your heart and being that not even one of all the faithful promises the Lord your God made to you is left unfulfilled; every one was realized—not one promise is unfulfilled!" Josh 23:14
"God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a human being, that he should change his mind.
Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not make it happen?"  Num 23:19
Since God promises eternal peace in the Kingdom, it is your thousand-year doctrine that is a lie, and it is making God out to be a liar by saying “paradise” will be interrupted with war to be fought against God’s New Jerusalem in the anointed (Rev 20:7-9) and death of thousands will happen for an undetermined amount of time. 
Will those finally found “righteous” be burying bodies again after a second Armageddon, where the “wicked” must be cut off again? 
This is not what God’s Kingdom promises. 
 

@Witness
It's simply a lack of understanding. The Day of Christ is a thousand years. Have you never heard of Christ's Millennial Reign?  Adam and Eve choose to decide what was good and bad for themselves and partook of the tree of knowledge.  Therefore, Adam was to die within the day he partook. And he did. 
"So all the days of Adam’s life amounted to 930 years, and then he died." (Genesis 5:5)
Jesus Christ bought back what Adam lost. However, it will take a day to bring righteous mankind back to perfection in order to be tested by Satan. 
1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
 
1 Corinthians 15:22
For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
1 Corinthians 15:24
Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
Satan will be released from the abyss to test Perfect Mankind when Jesus brings mankind to perfection.   It's "a timed event."
Like all things, the timing is in the Bible for ALL to SEE...
Here's a scripture that will be fullfilled 3 times! So it is a scripture worthy of the timing. Thus, just as three witnesses would firmly prove a matter to be true, a threefold repetition seems to establish it firmly or emphasize it.—Ezekiel 21:27; Acts 10:9-16; Revelation 4:8; 8:13.
 
Hosea 6:2
He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him.
This scripture was written at the time it occurred. First Witness. Then Fullfilled a Second time in regards to Christ. Second Witness. Jesus death and resurrection occurred in 33 CE did it not? So what is the third witness?  So what do the two days bring us too? 
8  However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.h 9  Jehovah* is not slow concerning his promise,i as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
How long do you think the third day is? It's coming but you can't see it. Why?
 But Jehovah’s* dayk will come as a thief,l in which the heavens will pass awaym with a roar,* but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.n11  Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12  as you await and keep close in mind* the presence of the day of Jehovah,*o through which the heavens will be destroyedp in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! 13  But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise,q and in these righteousness is to dwell.r

You quote me because you know I'm under 'warning' from @The Librarian and there fore I will not be led into your trap. 
but I do wonder if it was you that actually reported me   Have a most wonderful day Mr Carroll. 
I note that your comment is still quoting from MEN though. God's word is so much more reliable. 

Absolutely in error. In the Last days that began in 1914 (the wicked would receive the good news about God's Kingdom) and the Warning that these Last Days are approaching their end. Instead of being jubilate and happy, their response is almost always negative. 
So when JW's approach such ones with the Good News, their reaction is often hostile, rude, and unchristian, sometimes even demonic. 
"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.  For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,  betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
In order for a Paradise on earth to be possible. The "wicked will be removeed by dying the second death" as the Last Days come to their conclusion.  JW's will no longer be preaching to such ones as we turn away from these. 
During the thousand years of Christ Millennial Reign that will start with Armageddon. We will soon begin having Bible studies with the newly resurrected ones. 
We are now being told to prepare for Life in the New World.

There is no “thousand year period” after Armageddon where people will need to reach perfection to be judged….AGAIN.  We are judged, all of us, by what we do in our lifetime.  Your doctrine says that people like the prophets, and the ancient ones who were faithful during their life on earth, those who suffered because of their devotion to God, (NOT to an organization) must be judged again when they reach “perfection”.  And THEY are going to be taught by JWs?  By elders who lie in court and hide child abuse in the congregations?  What arrogance!  Does the righteousness of JWs surpass that of the prophets?  Of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Deborah, Ezekiel, etc. ?
John 12:48-49 - "The one who rejects me and doesn't receive my sayings has this as his judge: The word I have spoken will judge him on the last day. 49 "For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a command to say everything I have said.
Acts 17:31 - “because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world in righteousness by the man he has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead." 
Rev 22:10 – “Then he said to me, "Don't seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near.
Rev 22:12 - "Look, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me to repay each person according to his work.
Rev 20:12 - I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books.”
John 5:22 - "The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son,
John 5:27 - "And he has granted him the right to pass judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
It sounds to me that Wt's doctrine is excluding Jesus' right AND ability to pass judgment on mankind when Armageddon is finished.  Wt's judgment is according to man's doctrine and not according to God and His plan.  Jesus was with God since the beginning of the creation of mankind. What matters in judgment, is what the heart contains. (2 Chron 16:9) You don't think that God had the ability to judge each person while they were alive on the earth?  Only God and Christ can read hearts.    (Isa 66:16,15)
Satan wants to twist the words of God and deny Jesus' ability to bring eternal life to those resurrected into the Kingdom of God, WHERE NO SECOND JUDGMENT WILL OCCUR.
Heb 4:12 - "For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
Perfection/”holiness” is defined in Matt 5:43-58  
 

What was that visual manifestion in the sky that was proof of Jehovah's Peace Convenant for righteous mankind? 
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-stories/2/the-first-rainbow/
Revelation 4:3
And the One seated had the appearance of a jasper stone and a sardius stone, and all around the throne was a rainbow like an emerald in appearance.
Genesis 9:16
And the rainbow will occur in the cloud, and I will certainly see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of every kind on the earth.”
Revelation 10:1
And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire,
Ezekiel 1:28
like that of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day. That was how the surrounding brilliant light appeared. It was like the appearance of the glory of Jehovah. When I saw it, I fell facedown and began to hear the voice of someone speaking.

As usual, you COMPLETELY missed the point, PwfT. 
…. and it was as simple an illustration as could be conveyed.

Do prostittutes wear high heels ? I wouldn't know. Have a good day James. 

Rainbow colours, how sweet, but we know what those rainbow colours mean in this world don't we ? 
So its well suited to that particular Org. Have a nice day PC. 

That makes as much sense as sayin that because prostitutes wear high heel shoes, that women that wear high heel shoes must be prostitutes.

But you claim the word Jew is a made name up because the letter "J".  The readers should  know your stance against, Jehovah, Jesus, and the Jews.
I find it quite hypocritical when you quote scripture from the Book of John, but believe John is a false and made up name because the letter, "J".   Can one conclude from your hypocrisy that Jerusalem doesn't exist either??
Maybe your Name James or Julie doesn't exist?  Everything is in vain for you so you continue your weeping and gnashing... 

Wow, I don't even remember reading such a thing in the Wt.  But I do know that the elders who "represent the royal priesthood" right now, are said to be the "princes" on the earth in the Kingdom.
This is the truth about where the anointed will rule with Jesus Christ; which is both in "heaven" - a spiritual state - and on the earth.  2 Cor 5:17
 
Said from a man who has created multiple identities on this forum, to hide who he really is.  
Why?

Once again, I don’t believe the bible has discrepancies. I believe we are the ones that make those discrepancies manifest. A commentator used 1 Corinthians 3:16 as a point of reference. This particular passage refers, not only to the anointed, but to all those that become slaves of God.
Romans 6:16, Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 3:9, 1 Corinthians 3:17, 2 Corinthians 6:16.
This passage refers to a point in time when we all exist as humans. It would be inappropriate to use this passage to mean when the saints are ruling in heaven with Christ.
In my understanding, this passage cannot be linked to the 1000-year reign, mentioned in Revelation 20:7-8. So, I would avoid such a man-made discrepancy.
If autocorrect incorrectly places a comma where it shouldn’t be, I’m not the developer of this software.
If anyone has a better suggestion on a good English grammar software, please advise me, thanks.
I also find no need to discredit those that apply the bible correctly. I will accept BroRando’s explanation and the illustration of the commentator Peter Carrol. Thank you.

Commentator, I will ask you the question. The other 2 commentors don't seem too receptive to my questions and bad English. I hope you don't feel the same way. I'm trying your last suggestion. Thank you.
Why would others believe the 1000-year reign is symbolic even though the book of revelation speaks of it as it being literal? A time for humanity to experience perfection once again.
What does Gog of Magog, Satan's deceit have in connection while that 1000 years while it is happening? Isn't Satan supposed to be locked up, or is that deceit discussion, after his release? 
I don't want to directly ask, that commentor, there seems to be some animosity and suspicion, that's why I'll ask you. The other commentator, I asked, didn't care to provide an answer. I guess, it was a dumb question.

Warning! @Peter Carroll
"As far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men."
Please try to be nice, be respectful.
It is ok to disagree.... state that simply without the emotionally charged adjectives as much as possible.