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Revelation 11:18 predicted that God would ruin those ruining the earth; that is a prediction.... The image if the beast or 8th king will rule for a short time - watchtower has indicated that the UN or a coalition of nations will fulfill this. This is happening as we speak....... already UN is shaping the globalist agenda in the West to rule or work towards one world government. NGOs in USA have been working on UN plans for more than 20 years. Daniel 11: 40 onward speaks if an economic pushing to control the wealth if the earth.... Russia and its allies (including china).....have acquired many ports and can enforce embargoes if they want to. ..read Daniel further on.....about the control of the wealth.... and 1John 5: 19 says that Satan is ruling the entire earth. No other religion take these scriptures seriously. I think personally: Satan wants one world government under his control and as less and less people really believe in God- this may come to pass - to call out peace and security under UN control. Satan was ruling behind the scenes but more and more people are becoming wicked, lawless and amoral in an open way with no fear of god. Governments will bring in their own set if moral laws to replace that of God. Their materialist / humanist ideas are ludicrous. They believe that if all people receive equal wealth the world will become peaceful. They have no clue how the ideology of atheist communism and extremist Islam has already infiltrated the west and poses a great threat ..... both want to rule the world.....UN will have to turn against religions and replace it with their own amoral value system. Additionally, If you do not accept LGBTQ and maybe even P ..... you will face prison...... people are already receiving prison sentences for hate speech regarding LGBTQ and Islam. Those believing in christ will be persecuted according to Matthew 24. Next year the agreement of the Pope with the heads of the Jewish and Muslim religions (may 2020) has written jesus Christ 'out' of the abrahamic religions agreement that will be signed - all to obtain world unity. This is according to catholic conservative sources who are angry about this. Really? Which atheist wisdom has told you that? I also read the bible by myself and in Noah's time the generation or last days were 120 years...... so I think you are laughing too soon........ of course mommy watchtower has not said anything about this .....but most of us who read the bible have already noticed this. You see we cooperate with mommy watchtower and accept that jehovah is using her...... and we are under her protective wings but we also realize that people like you are just waiting for a mistake from her to scoff and laugh.... so we patiently bide our time and wait. In the meantime we follow Jesus' instructions to preach about the true hope of mankind - the only government that is apolitical and a unifying force for self-sacrificing and meek people - under the government of jehovah. There are too many problems facing the earth at present. Mankind has used every new innovation or technology to destroy its fellow earthly citizens- history is proof of this. The new technologies now opening up as regards quantum computing, new weapons etc will not be the exception. It will be used to oppress and the surveillance of peoples and the elimination of those who do not cooperate.... But mommy watchtower has prepared us for this eventuality. This has happened before..... do you remember? When JWs did not cooperate with Nazis .... they were persecuted. Other people followed the radio propaganda and denounced their neighbours and committed atrocities during the war. Ordinary citizens were too afraid to go against the main stream and government,....... this will happen again .....because the propaganda of collective activism is once again going out....... but this time they will all turn against jehovah. Rev 14: 14-16 speaks of the propaganda leading to Armageddon. This time it is not the radio but the entertainment industry, the 6 major news agencies in the West, and the internet (Fb, Google, YouTube etc) spouting propaganda and is already censoring out all information which is valuable for reaching truthful conclusions. So you see.... many of us have our own opinions but work in harmony with mommy watchtower. We have come to notice there is a remarkable consistency about her emphasis on helping others to gain knowledge of jehovah and the understanding of core teachings such as kingdom government, jehovahs name, the mortality of the soul and the true death of jesus's soul and the falsehood if the trinity to name but a few.... So why can you not explain it all....... since you think you have enough spirit to judge them.

I never read a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000. Any case, we are supposed to be ready ALL the time because it will come as thief in the night. The other comparison is to a pregnant woman..... she knows the event is eminent but does not know the hour. Did the bible not warn that people will scoff and say: where is it ? ....and when they do not expect it the events will suddenly follow each other .....rapidly one will see prophecies being fulfilled. I have no doubt in my mind that it is getting closer every day that passes. We are seeing the storm clouds rolling in on several sides. My brother told me that they had temperatures if 53.2 Celsius in south Africa..... and the hight of the summer will only be in February - in 3 months. Farmers have not planted. Governments are keeping quiet about crop failures, unprecedented ocean destruction due to warm sea currents and many other problems. The dollar and stable stockmarket is the main concern. Keep everyone in the dark until the biosphere collapses. Growing hate between the " iron and clay" elements in most western governments - irreconcileable to where it is almost cold civil war. Maneuvering behind the scenes of the UN..... 176 nations have signed up on the 3 agreements - a good indication of where we are in the stream of time. Surveillance and control of powerful private global companies, super artificial intelligence, CRISPR software on sale for anyone who wants to use it, CHina and Russia have more and more ports and other mineral resources under their control and the growth of atheism, immorality (LGBTQ etc) and other devastating philosophies...... as well as a rise in spiritistic religions...... the main one in the UN - theosophy- are escalating. One thing for sure - the world is not growing better as some are saying - but worse as each day passes. A Christian genocide is ongoing in middle east and north Africa. No one cares about this because the UN human rights organization has been taken over by Muslim countries who vote each other in. Countries with the worst human rights sitting in top positions. Well.... I can go on..... and on.... Laugh on and on..... suddenly the mockery will turn into gnashing of teeth in anger....

Since most people are shunned for unrepentant immorality - I think you are missing the point. Those few who leave for other reasons often end up in "relationships " or some other habits like drug abuse, smoking etc. Many, who are totally unrepentant end up opposing JWs in very deceitful ways, spreading false info about us.

And this is just a punch line. The proof is the eating of the pudding...... so solid proof is needed. I have a problem with their dates...... but this will open up another subject. So I leave at that. Wrong again! I look at both sides. You assume that all JWs only drink at mommies JWs breast..... how silly of you. Some of us grow up and mature. On the other hand you only drink from the extremely deceptive bottle of evolution.. and have scorn for anything that points to anything other than that....... now that is NOT smart.........just another religion masquerading as a science.

The question is not: how stable is the structure AFTER it has formed because we know from obserbation in nature that species can adapt to its environment. Changes, such as Darwin's finches, whose beaks changed when the food source changed and then changed back again when the food source changed again.... but never changed Io a different species of bird.....STABILITY OF SPECIES is confirmed. But the Cambrian explosion was too short and sudden to produce / originate such a variety of complex animals..... which brings us back to the " origin" of all species"

Evading the real question. The cambrian explosion refers to an explosion of so many different kinds of animals in a short period of time without any hint of " precursors" found in earlier layers of the earth........... and you turn it into an argument of the jawbone during this time - totally missing the point. Explain the sudden appearance of wings, explain the explosion of all the different kinds of mammals without any hint of it in previous layers of the earth. The jawbone is a side issue..

I wish there were cartoons when my children were small. Food for the young ones at the proper time- something they can relate to - is also important. They should not be overlooked.

The signs read: "love does not shun". True, the liove of this world with its "practices" of fornication, LGBT does not shun. But we do not tolerate unrepentant "pracitisers" of this kind of love they refer to. This is my answer and I am a typical rank and file JW who cannot think for myself according to all the slurs given me on this forum. I predict this will become a huge issue as all children now at school are taught to accept these practices whereas the bible says we should not " condone" them Romans 1. So the future is bleak regarding morality. When good is bad and bad is good. We will all in future be persecuted as hateful because of this. The same people who say jehovah was harsh when he killed wayward Jews who participated in false worship and burnt their own children. There are none as blind as those who do not want to see.

It is their job to meet together to coordinate activities where they are serving. A meeting of only anointed at congregation level makes it exclusive - excluding the other sheep. My experience tells me it is practical as well as scriptural decision. Anointed are just as prone to sin as any of us..... and may soon develop a superiority and start drawing sheep after themselves......... as happened jn the first century congregation. We see many instances where people were drawing a following after themselves. They became wolves. This is why I constantly say: there us some hidden motive behind these persons which want this, which they are not prepared to acknowledge. They accuse the GB of hidden motives but this is an example of projecting their own sin on others. Pride has crept in somewhere - to the extent that they are prepared to go against Jehovahs people as a nation at every opportunity. They have no wish to feed the sheep but somehow to "influence" the sheep to your own benefit....No sacrificing love in any of it. Yea, I typed it wrong late at night. The guy is dead for more than two years .... not relevant as a person any more..... BUT the questions about "future " expectations, morality, consciousness, language (which only humans have) remain.

Why are most of the anointed happy in their congregations, giving spiritual assistance locally, using their wisdom where it is needed, and in unity of mind and spirit they help to get the preaching work done - which is after all the main commission given to all Christian's? Why is it only a few who say they need to be "feeding " others but by their attitudes want to actually "lord" it over the teaching of the congregation? These ones do not even submit to the local congregations workings, not assisting the sheep, not carrying the sheep like a shepherd, not feeding the sheep in their congregation, not preaching to the lost sheep in their community - but actively going out of their way (at the smallest opportunity) to defame all JWs, their congregations, the preaching work they do and those who are leading the way to provide appropriate food for our time....... the nourishing food we need now is to build unity of purpose, faith, endurance, and genuine self-sacrificing love - only this will get us ready to pass through Armageddon. This is cult-like. When an articulate celebrity goes on stage and his followers are so enamoured of him that they do not even see the flaws in the arguments. I watched several of his debates - even the one against his brother - he is impressively articulate but that is all. Yes- I guess I'm a moron ...... so I wonder what that makes you? Since you have not answered any of the most important points I have raised against your religion, except raising insults.

Not much of a thinker are you? Your dismissive attitude proves my point..... You have never thought of these issues in your life before? Just dismissal? ..... In the Seinfeld show the female character used to comment about someone being " spunge-worthy". By your dismissive attitude of important questions surrounding evolution and atheism..... you are proving yourself "unworthy " of my time and attention. The most important atheist debaters of our era have taken the time to consider these questions. You are obviously too smart for your own good .......you do not even consider them and give replies like the above...... As I have said before - what is a person like you doing on this forum if not with the single purpose to irritate... The subject originally was about child molestation and people going to court for perceived negligence. Atheists inherited their morals from the Christian-judeo traditions. Before the Jewish law given to Moses, most nations burnt their children in fires and slept with whatever and whomever they wished. Male and female fertility rites on the mountains....... As I demonstrated before - if one believes purely that there is no God and we come from a soup by chance ..... no amount of logic will give you any morals. I had such a large collection of books but my moving from country to country has made me get rid of most of them now. I had bibles with Jehovahs name in, in several African languages, too. The" Insight" online has this advantage which I like very much..... one can look up any supporting scripture on the spot... and it usually gives one something you have not thought of before. They also update it regularly -i think- because the history updates include the newest discoveries. I like to revisit old subjects and get the newest info. At least you acknowledge the design component ...... What is your thoughts on the second law of thermodynamics?

Actually I have watched Christopher Higgins debate quite a few philosophers on this subject..... atheist never come out on top with good arguments.

I grow in knowledge of the bible by reading the Insight book..... there are fascinating things in there.... I would encourage all to strengthen themselves in this way. I have also picked up some useful info by reading old publications........ not to criticize the GB as others do here on this forum but to find new little tit-bits I had not thought of before.

Bugger off, Tom. Yes- an important question. Those atheistic humanists who are now leading society to the situation called Armageddon are saying that society will now 'evolve' to bring "peace and security" to all humankind. Of course, they are quite willing to pressure everyone to conform to their idea of it. They are not willing to wait another 500 billion years for that to happen because by then humans and their consumerism will have destroyed the earth and all its resources. I regularly visit South Africa and usually there is a minority of white elders - depending on the area. In areas where the majority are black brothers there are no white elders. They are doing a fine job! Fallacy...... in Africa the brothers are persecuted or killed because they do not participate in witch doctoring or participate in rituals of superstition. I am African, I know what goes on there. These commentators sit behind a desk in USA and write about things they do not know and gullible people like alanF believe it. When brothers go back to their old superstitious traditions they are counseled by the African elders and will lose their JW status if they do not repent.

The qualities displayed by atheists is an important argument against them. This is the reason why there were more people killed in war than ever before after Darwin wrote his book on the "superiority" of the survival if the fittest (most aggressive too!) . It spawned people like stalin, Hitler, Mao seTung etc.... who killed more people than any religion or war ever did in history before that. If one does not believe there is accountability to a God- because all creation are mere animals which came here by mere chance from a pool of murky water - one becomes your own God and one does what one can to please oneself - animalistic. Those without conscience will also murder if they can get away with it and many other immoral things if society let's them get away with it too!...... such as we have seen under atheist dictatorships. China at present using the body parts of religious prisoners for commercial transplants. 10,000 transplants per year. The argument that atheism can provide morals is false. So why would an atheist come to a forum like this? To troll to create anger, devision, or find someone who they can carry away as their victim.

Totally agree Anna, the GB receive just enough holy spirit for their tasks and in the congregations around the world many anointed are serving to strengthen and help others. They do not see themselves as leaders at all. I know of one who stepped down as an elder because his own family needed more attention. Females support the congregation in so many other ways teaching the younger women to have a spirit of service. Jehovah us never unjust - never partial. Many brothers under the anointed receive as much holy spirit as they do - if they pray for it.

You use the word domineer so easily..... I call it "facilitation". Soon you will see what domineering really is. Africa is full of these kind of domineering rulers. China is now domineering everything in the lives of their subjects by means of 24 hours of surveillance - big brother style.... Americans like to call anyone giving them an instruction, domineering or a dictator. Talk about socialism and americans call them a communist.....total overreaction..... 40 years of indoctrination by movies wants the US youth to have freedom to do everything they want but with no responsibility/accountability. These secular -style ideas/philosophies are infiltrating us everywhere!..... even the congregation! Sin "dominates" us all and is a terrible burden.... the wish to dominate is never ever a benevolent quality...... and so is rebellion against jehovah. This is why elders are always warned not to dominate others but to show them the relevant scriptures because obedience to scripture is a personal choice. When individuals choose to overstep Jehovahs rules, then they can face the consequences for their actions themselves. They cannot say like Adam "so and so told me to do it". No- not true. Prophets like Elisha were anointed for a specific job. Kings were also anointed for a specific job as was the high priest. Jesus was anointed with holy spirit to be the messiah (future king and high priest) and the kingdom covenant was for the anointed as kings and priests- like Jesus. They were anointed for a specific job. At end of thousand years they may get a new assignment or remain in their positions..... but they will hand over the kingdom back to jehovah when their assignment is completed.

The comment or rebuttal you gave is not worthy of attention because mutations have minimal beneficial effects - mostly extreme adverse affects. Accumulation of adverse effects will outweigh the few beneficial effects. If humans have been here for 500 billion years then the adverse effects would have outweighed the good effects and could not have built new species - even by natural selection of only the good effects - but instead caused our demise and extinction.

Says who? The ones who are now spearheading the organization are training others all the time - elders, servants etc. Their time for ruling and being together is not now ... but in future.... then they will all be together under christ and their administration will bring mankind back to the original purpose of God. The promises of being together under christ lies in future. The original congregations were mostly anointed but the great crowd now makes up the largest part of the congregations.... and the obligation to meet together and encourage each other is as much the great crowd's obligation as the anointed. So we must read in it hidden messages? Sounds more like mysticism to me...... or evolution. Seeing something where it does not exist. You expect answers when you have no intention or capability to answer my challenges.

Always dramatic, over the top sweeping statements - no rationality here! Berlinsky is seen as essential reading for any philosopher or debater on evolution. Not only is he a mathematician and philosopher but did a post-doctoral on molecular biology. He himself says that evolutionists evade the most important questions and only answer that which is convenient to them.... i agree, there are too many unanswered questions in evolution but evolutionary fanatics refuse to even look at them. When I say to you that ALL nerves are connected in the body I talk from personal experience. My daughter had neuroblastoma - a nerve cancer. The growth was removed from the main nerve on the right hand side of the chest at almost 9 months of life.... it was in one area......but affected "everything " on the right hand side of her body....from head to toe. The smallest nerves in her hands and feet (extremities) were not functioning to allow normal growth as on the left side. She is a beautiful girl but on closer inspection one will find that everything is smaller on the right side. I do not need to get technical on this one because my own observation has taught me the truth about the connectedness of ALL nerves. Regarding all your other arguments - life could not exist if the cell does not have a membrane........... particles may have collided and after hitting the jackpot millions of times maybe formed some unstructured strings of material....... but how did they end up being in a "container" to keep them together so that the intricate structures and separate DNA of the mitochondria could develop .... and what about the cooperating structures within the cell which act like factories for the replacement of protein and the removal of garbage........ life is much more conneted and complex than evolutionists wish to give attention to..... I leave it at this, because the questions of understanding the future, morality, speech, and other wonders (which only humans posess and can appreciate and no animals have) are also questions to consider apart from the obvious biological aspects and the cosmos. The only thing Darwins theory did explain was the minute adaptions which could bring about larger beaks etc....but nothing to explain a change in species.. If you have an honest bone in your body you will re-evaluate your fanatic persuasion. New evidence on the shortness if the time period for the Cambrian explosion of only 10 million years..... and the explosion of the different kinds of mammals in this short time without any previous animals of this kind..... boggles the mind. The spirit of God can only flourish where there is truth and an honest search for the truth. This is also true of any JW - if they stop acknowledging or practicing the truth they may start to dominate others like King Solomon did at the end of his life. Each person is responsible to evaluate themselves constantly..... to tell if they are hypocritical or truthful about themselves and their practices.

So that is your problem! You do not really want to associate with the lowly earthly class in your congregation and serve them.... - you see yourself as creating a class system where all anointed are bunched together in one place (or only benefit themselves in small groups) and only serve each other in humility........ what kind of humility is that! Or do you want to teach! As a woman it is NOT your place to teach and from what I have seen of your constant dripping of only one idea..... concerning yourself..... I do not think you are capable of teaching - definitely not JWs. The true anointed I have known in the congregations are humble people. Happen to know a 87 year old woman in South Africa...... humbly and lovingly serving as a pioneer and cooking for everyone! Happened to know a very poor black man from Zambia living in one and half room shack with seven children...... he had a good job (drawing signs on shops) but it was being fased out by computer developments for signs. Happened to meet him through another refugee from Rwanda (whom I met at an assembly and is still my friend and brother)..... He (the anointed) was helping to feed this brother on his salary because this brother was living in a one room shack with his family- no food . He was a teacher but could not get a job in S. Africa..... Now this - helping others and trusting jehovah will provide - I call faith, humility and self-sacrifice! I think when he finishes his life-course he will understand true pain, suffering and poverty.... he always showed a christ like attitude. He had to leave SA and go back to Zambia where he could still find a job in the industry. The priviledged "anointed' I have my doubts about....... but I will refrain to judge because jehovah is the judge.

In one cell one needs a minimum of 150 proteins to function. A protein has a specific sequence of DNA material that can only fit in a specific way and is folded in a specific way. ..... very complex. Nano-bio-engineers work together in groups and take months to produce only one chemical needed for such a protein........ with perfect conditions in the lab, many sets of brainy ideas. This if for only one chemical that is needed to build ONE complex protein. Then every cell has a complex energy factory - the mitochondria - which by the way has its own separate DNA, which can only be inherited from a woman....... (Eve). Apart from this we have the transport system in the cell........... and most of all the important MEMBRANE. If the membrane was not there (in the chemical soup you believe in..... ) the cell material would not have been able to stay together...... the material would have dissipated and NEVER EVER formed a cell. ..... and then the cell still needs LIFE..... The mechanisms to maintain the cell is much more complex than evolutionists can imagine. Evolution deliberately simplifies the cell, its mechanics and structure. So - who of us has been duped? The one who has put his faith in "human intelligence" or the one who has realized there is a higher intelligence. Mathematically it is impossible to get even one cell developed in 500 billion years - we need time beyond what scientists are saying is the age of the universe.

Definitely, I do not get pro-creation papers in my mailbox......I read the newest information to see the flaws in it - for myself. For example: when they found more than 10 proteins in dinosaur bones- it pointed to a younger earth. The next paper was a rebuttal. They postulated that the iron in the blood must have preserved the proteins in the bones. They proved in the paper that iron CAN preserve proteins - which is the only information I agree with. The problem I had with that postulation was is this: large amounts of blood are not available in the bones and while one may find a centrifuge in a lab to concentrate the iron for a test ...... I have never seen a dinosaur bone with a built-in centrifuge to clump the iron in the blood together to preserve the bones. No-one spotted the absurdity that one cannot compare what happens in a lab to what happens in nature. I can give you another example with Mr Dawkins. He made a big do about analysing and cutting out the nerve of a giraffe on TV and demonstrating how unneccesary it was for the nerve to curve around the heart - he said it was bad "design"..... a left over from evolution. As an African I immediately spotted his lack of understanding of animals and lack of thinking things through. Giraffes have exceptionally long necks and need the heart to get feedback of the pressure to get the blood to the head..... the design is perfect...... there are other reasons as well......in our bodies "everything" is connected ...... which is one of the several complexities which point to design. For example: one needs the brain to interpret what the eyes see. The eyes in its complex design cannot see without the brain, which interprets the information. Which one came first? They eye or the brain.... when they both need each other to functio, it means there was pre-existing "information" that the other organ would exist. This indicates a presence of "coordinated information" or "pre-knowledge"......... a form of intelligence. Male and female organs that developed separately yet are perfectly biologically coordinated.... each providing only HALF of the genetic material needed to produce a new life etc..... I can go on and on.... Obviously - one of us is a fanatic about " religion" ...... and I know it is not me. SCIENCE is not as infallible as you thought.... scientists are often egotists...... they do not always go in the direction the truth leads them but in the direction where they can publish papers. So your Mommy Science has fed you a lot of claptrap and it does not even have good motives. ..... According to science there was an ice age inbetween.. and the "goldilocks" conditions " over such a long period of time is a fallacy.

I get a summary with a link to the original paper. I am still waiting for the answer you refused to give earlier because you are a fake.... I asked a question about the math behind hitting the "jackpot" millions of times per second for billion of years. And you get stuck on the matter of love ....... and refuse to accept the third postulation. Another math problem with your theory is that humans develop several mutations per day in their DNA which can affect them adversely. Most die of cancer these days. If humans have lived a long as you say - they would already have gone extinct with the number of accumulated mutations. .... I told you..... he answers people like you because he can - he is qualified to do so.

True..... Your comment aboout string theory as just a theory - yes, mathematics is only a tool - a language to describe something which cannot be described in a written language. Most people make a mistake to accept it as reality.