Arauna

Yep, so you acknowledge they do not really know the bible.

In most countries one goes to a technical college to learn a trade - so it is higher education.

Agreed. The clay and iron mentioned in the feet was correctly understood before....... but the current acrimony between conservatives who are the far right and the far left (which has been high-jacked by extreme new ideas) is irreconcileably divided. This is happening in Canada, USA, Europe, Australia and UK. One can gain better insight into a situation as time passes. The UN Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 gives me deeper insight regarding their ( UNs) future plans for the world. How they are forcing LGBTQ onto most societies by means of UNESCO is more evidence that we are heading very quickly to collapse of morality. Their plans for the environment gives us insight how far things have progressed regarding the ozone of the earth and biosphere. 176 nations have given over their autonomy to the UN by means of these agreements. It will just be a matter of time for them to claim they can bring peace and security.

What a blatant lie. They have always encouraged men to do a trade. With the tons of generic degrees now being pumped out at universities that are mainly producing useless degrees and students with life-long debt - it seems they were right all along. Germany has a strong economy due to such a large portion of its population having technical trade qualifications.

What do think of a country where Doctors can be forced to do abortions, do LGBT surgery on young children and commit euthanasia against their so-called conscience! I am sure they will find us liable - they are instruments of satan these days. When they go against Jehovah's laws, we obey jehovah. Soon we will be facing persecution from these guys as predicted. We are living in the last days. Soon they will take you to court if you refuse to sleep with someone. I read about a case where a transgender wanted to sleep with a man. He called it a "hate crime" when the man refused..... a very new morality will be forced on us. "4,136 Christians were killed for faith-related reasons. On average, that's 11 Christians killed every day for their faith." — Open Doors, World Watch List 2019. More than 245 million Christians around the world are currently suffering from persecution. — Open Doors, World Watch List 2019. 4,136 Christians were killed for faith-related reasons. On average, that's 11 Christians killed every day for their faith." — Open Doors, World Watch List 2019. More than 245 million Christians around the world are currently suffering from persecution. — Open Doors, World Watch List 2019.

No I never would have expected Russel to understand everything as some people do. Jehovah gives information as we need it. This is why I do not critisize them as some people here on this forum do.

It was disobedience. He was told to speak to the rock. The previous time jehovah told him to hit the rock..... so he did as he did the previous time. Could not copy link- apologies This idea that one can apostacize from another religion is ludicrous. One can only apostacise from the truth. There is only one truth - you either have it or you do not. JWs do not teach immortality of the soul, hellfire, heavenly calling for everyone, that kingdom is a condition of the heart, trinity, hide jehovahs name.... and I can go on and on...... these are truths that others Christian denominations do not teach. But I do agree that we should not judge too fast or harshly when people have questions.... always show love.

I replied - see my first paragraph. I AGREED with you and then went on to give my opinion on some of the other thoughts I have seen here. I am not writing a paper...... like some of the "scholars" here do in their replies. On occasion I reply to a specific individual but mostly it is just opinion. So you acknowledge that the majority of Christians take the emblems without knowing they are to be priests and kings? All going to heaven to judge whom? Most of them have so little knowledge of the bible and its morals, they will not be able to distinguish right from wrong. This is the reason so many churches now voting for LGBTQ. What about the scriptures which show that a great crowd will live through armageddon? What about Rev 20 which indicates there will be nations on the earth during the 1000 years? What is the point today? We have understood the scriptures, which refer to the nations on the earth for a 1000 years, for 84 years. So this proves that if these scholars had the Spirit of jah they would have understood it too!

Lovely.... almost sounds Jewish in its presentation.

I think a person should put money away for certain projects. We know that most projects go over the projected budget because of inflation, unexpected problems, rising costs, etc.. So a discreet person that is busy with a large project will put away money where it can gather interest until it is needed. The GB is often involved in large projects- they would not be smart to not factor this in. Yes, less and less are looking to God for solutions. Wicca, Islam and atheism taking over....... but I suspect that many more honest-hearted people will find the truth when one world religion (Satans's moral standards) is forced on all of us. How far Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 of the UN will get one cannot tell........ but it will improve public transport exponentially. "On every corner like gas stations" ...... or on every corner a "different designer church." When I lived in USA it was a joke to me how many churches there were catering for the different groups of peoples and their desires.

Agreed. It is easy to critisize, hard to build up. Many condemned Moses for the way he was doing things. Later God took some of his Spirit from Moses and gave to others to help him. So Moses had a lot of Spirit and approval from Jehovah. But, it was in this time there was rebellions and murmurings against him and the people had expectations for someone better, more to their liking. If the GB inspired fear and things were less transparent you would be more in awe of them but because they project themselves unhypocritically (what you see is what you get) - people endow themselves with the right to criticize just about everything about them, going as far as saying that they are not the nation jehovah is using to spearhead the preaching work. Show me another people who has the infrastructure to fulfill jehovah's will regarding preaching in most countries and I may believe your pitiful criticisms. These are ordinary men running an operation for their food and keep. They feel priviledged by jehovah to do this assignment. I have worked in corporations where CEOs get bonuses that are in the millions. They make terrible mistakes and mess up the corporation ......and just before it collapses get even a higher CEO job at another BIGger corporation with more pay. Arrogant and stupid and very capable to make the same mistake over and over. One of them had a driver and a big limo with so much airs very few people felt worthy to speak to him. The old corporation he worked for gets a new name, new ownership and a new CEO who brings in different measures to curb spending, diversify business etc. YET people expect the GB to get it right the first time such as when the TV Broadcasts started etc. Israel, as a nation was soooooo imperfect and jehovah used them. What I see here on this forum with certain individuals is a tremendous arrogance - their right to critisize. Well, Satan gave himself the right to critisize the way jehovah chose to use his sovreignty. JAH was so gentle, that arrogant Satan used the gap to downsize Jah himself!. The governing body knows that each individual has the right to personal opinion. They tolerate a lot of personal criticism. People expect them to be an example in every respect - something which even Jesus could not do due to the wickedness of the religious leader's hearts. Jesus shone his light but it was not good enough for the religious leaders. (We have some people here who feel they are "leaders" because they forget from which organization they learnt the truth of the kingdom in the first place). They were priviledged to see the inside workings where imperfect GB are and now feel they saw it ALL so they know it ALL. Familiarity does breed contempt - Jesus's own brothers did not accept him before his death. It is when our personal opinion is no longer in line with scriptures that we ourselves go beyond that which is written. Who will stop the arrogance - you yourself must do this. If your self-control is not sufficient you can become like Cain who had no self-control and caused the death of his own kin. Spiritual death and stumbling blocks are more serious. People are only shunned in the congregation when they become rebellious in their sin. I have a lot of personal opinions - much too opinionated - and I know it. I have never been spoken to about it and I am aware that as a woman I cannot stand out too much. I am happy about it because my main focus is to preach. If I am ever spoken to, I will definitely tone my opinions down. I am fun. The young women love to work with me because we always have fun. I am upbuilding, I am a confidante, I bring my share and I have ample room to move in Jehovahs organization....... I even feel important and blessed. But not in the way others want to feel important. If one meditates about Jehovahs word and read a lot - you are bound to come up with thoughts that are not found in the Insight Book.... or have not found it yet. I have a good understanding of the truth and will never attend "clubs" for witnesses. This is the only forum I share my thoughts. I do not pretend to be a scholar because to me it is too "churchy-institutionalized". I thank jehovah every day for his blessings and the insight I get from Him because I do not think that scholars have ever got it right. The scholars in Jesus's day, in all the theological institutions in our day, do not even have a clue what the "sacret secret" is. Their guest is knowledge, not love. Their guest is ego, not love, their guest is to dominate other peoples minds with their own ideas - not love. Yes, there were those among us who are like "rocks" in our love-feasts- and jehovah is busy with a cleansing work - cleaning out those who cause stumbling. Did he not say he will start with his own people?

Hi, there are only a few JWs who believe so - unlike millions - almost 1 Billion Christian's on earth in various denominations whom ALL think they are going to heaven to be with jesus to rule over whom?

I presume you are quoting him correctly. I do not agree with him...... but fortunately it is a personal choice what one does in your home and with your children.

When people leave the "cult" of jehovah's witnesses they do quite well in the world without the indoctrination of the universities. The values of justice and kindness work in their favour. She chose to make a name for herself and not jehovah....... a personal choice. Pity some people get corrupted to go after a temporary name.

Song books outdated. We have it on electronic screen at meetings.

Agreed. No shame to be working and providing for yourself. The person is taking responsibility as best he can. All work is honourable. There is now a new phenomena: Children who are addicted to internet and games. They still live with parents at age 34, refuse to work or look at a girl etc. No other interest in life than waste away in matrix style fantasy. Met a woman in field service with this problem.

Asking questions is a good thing - to establish if the person really understands what the bible teaches and their personal moral obligations. ...... in other words understand the seriousness of their dedication (promise). ..... in laymens terms...... what they are getting into....... Despite this process, some here on this forum did not understand their public promise they made and got themselves in an undesirable situation by brazen conduct and then rebellion and outside the JWs. THEN they turn around and critisize the GB and do not take any responsibility for their own actions - like Adam, it is always someone else's fault. Blame it on the seducing wife/lover, domineering elders or crazy, unqualified GB. ...... I think that parents should be smart and have the right to say something while the child is under 16 (the age one can take responsibility for driving a car), some children mature later. Jesus asked deep questions at age 12 but one cannot put an age on something like this. I know of an almost 90 year old anounted sister who got baptised at age 9 - still faithful with no ego or other problems.

Just wanted to add - it is I interesting that many smart kids also are good in music. Music lights up many parts of the brain in scans. It is also the last skill to die off in Alzheimers. I think that training in music teaches discipline and focus and this benefits children in other fields. All children should learn music for a while if possible. It is remarkable that so many Jews learn music and many play in ensembles (it teaches people to listen to others and work together to produce something with esthetic value). It is not surprising to me that they have a higher average IQ than other nations.

We happen to disagree on that. What record I have seen from those who claim to be individual "teachers" of god's word is merely an emission of hate-filled rhetoric against JWs and no true positive teaching methods or message. Most do not give any prophecy because they only criticize. "Prophecy' about future also totally lacking because they spend time only criticizing JW timeline but their own timelines happen to prove that jehovah is NOT the perfect timekeeper we expect him to be. ....

Thanks for that personal experience and viewpoint. I have seen (especially in computer field) many brilliant kids. One of my nephews also played music while teaching himself programming. He is a firewall programmer (or something very saught after in protection field) without a degree. I marvel sometimes at kids who turn out technical machines in poor countries (especially central Africa) where the intellectual and technical landscape is barren. They somehow find books and teach themselves. My best friend in Africa has a son who manufactures feeding machines for factories (including car factories). He designs and makes them. I knew him as a boy. She raised him and his 2 sisters alone and did not have money for secondary education. I wish all stories turn out like this but unfortunately we do know reality - not all people are innovative. Some have to go to vocational school to learn how to do a job in order to become employable. To be an entrepeneur one needs a skill (self-taught or acquired during secondary education) to provide something of value one can sell.

Exactly my reply...... that is why it is called "unrighteous riches".

Questions which determine if the person understands the basics are important....... the person must understand what we believe and what their obligations are regarding moral obedience to jehovah. It is a loving to make sure that the person understands. The reason I was searching for the truth was that I was affirmed in the Dutch Reformed Church at age 16. We attended class for three months once a week. The day before baptism of the entire group the minister asked a question about the randsom. A student answered incorrectly. The answer was: Jesus. This appalled me that students were allowed to be baptised without understanding this basic teaching. Later I retracted my membership of the church.

Witness, if you have the idea that God did plan for a financial system in this wicked world to exist and we should see "unrighteous riches" as symbolic...... then go ahead and believe what you want. I believe that God allowed a financial system to exist after Adam and Eve sinned and it therefore is unrighteous. What we earn from it is also "unrighteous." BUT we can serve God by means of our unrighteous riches by paying for things (petrol, our time we can use to gain unrighteous riches) etc.

Definitely not dropouts...... one can keep learning without going to university. One can get very talented people who have NO degree.......in science or art but still attain an extremely high level of competency. We have many engineers who are in the truth and they DO read a lot of Awake magazines ...and also magazines pertaining to their secular jobs to remain up to date. Any subject that one has studied for 12 years is equal to a college education. The first two years of college education teaches one the basic terminology and mechanisms. The third and fourth year are more advanced. It is only at master and doctorate level one can say one us a master at one facet of a subject. Most witnesses know the basics of the bible in first year and after that start to build their knowledge. Bring me a doctor of theology that understands that Jesus is not God, that the soul of jesus died at his death, that keeping parts of the law such as sabbath and tithes are incorrect....... and I can go on and on........ It depends on the individual JW to maintain the first two year skills given to them and improve on it by self-study and preparing well for the meetings.

Actually, those who still tout worldly education are not up to date with what is going on at universities- especially the fields in humanities. There are many 'generic' degrees that have no value except put the person in debt for life. The new degrees in feminism, social studies etc. Is guaranteed to turn the student into a walking nutcase who believes that men can have periods and gender is not determined by x and y chromosomes. Touchy feely persons who are triggered by every politically incorrect utterance and bully others who do not think as they do. Even the sciences and judicial system are now effected by this nonsense. There is a gynecologist in the news who is having her son of 7 years go though a sex change and the court has gone against the rational father. An education is supposed to give one proper thinking skills...... to be objective and logic. But throwing right and wrong away and replacing it with human philosophy is leading to disaster. At least bible reading helps one see realities and gives a moral compass....... something which is missing in the current scenario at colleges and universities.