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Some JWs love the artistic beauty of the cross so much, they use it wherever they can get away with it.

@TrueTomHarley "Next thing you know, you will be asking some politician to sign your Bible. Or telling another one that he represents the political manifestation of God’s kingdom on earth." I knew exactly who the GB were signing the Bibles for. That's why I posted the picture; it fit your comment perfectly. The cause or the setting makes one wonder, doesn't it? Is it too hypocritical for the GB to sign Bibles belonging to "friends", yet easily done for those in the "world"? If I hated you or any JW, I wouldn't be here begging each and every one of you to read Rev 18:4-8, to take heed of the sins of God's anointed people. How readily JWs throw out the word "hate" to "apostates", yet have I ever used that word against any JW? (Addition) “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matt 5:43-48

I can tell you are struggling with this. But, your idea, Anna, opens up a field of possibilities. Why not put a clay Buddha statue on the living room coffee table simply because he appears so benevolent? Or, a gilded wooden cross on the wall because it is a superb piece of art. Or, a statue of Mary, Peter or Joseph in the garden. Again, they are just formed of earthen clay. The Inuksuk bears an image that the Watchtower identifies with. Its symbol is important enough to put inside the Branch in an area where the native people who revere this statue, are potential “bait”. The Inuksuk brings good luck, like a rabbit’s foot. Should we start carrying a small version in our pocket? Here is its description. http://ca.paganfederation.org/the-history-and-meaning-of-the-inuksuk/ Here is WT’s information next to the stone image: “Often defined as “that which acts in the capacity of a human”, these giant landmarks have been use as markers and for navigation by the peoples in Canada’s far north. Just like the Inuksuk, our literature is able to speak on our behalf in hard to reach places” When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods who will go before us. Exod 32:1 The page description linked gives the detailed story. Perhaps every JW should have one in their entry hall, since it appears to signify the mobility of the preaching work. There must have been a GB member at the celebration of the Branch remodel, so you might get away with it where you live. Unless, it's not the approved "dress code" for the area. Better yet, what about a wooden Asherah pole which also was established on the “high places” by the nation of Israel. The Inuksuk sounds like a male image; the Asherah, the goddess of fertility. They should get together and have children; proof that the preaching work is producing "fruit". It sounds crazy doesn’t it? “He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them. 25 The images of their gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covet the silver and gold on them, and do not take it for yourselves, or you will be ensnared by it, for it is detestable to the Lord your God. 26 Do not bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Regard it as vile and utterly detest it, for it is set apart for destruction.” Deut 7:24-26 I am sure the early idols seemed harmless to men, but to God, no image was to stand between Him and His people. “Of what value is an idol carved by a craftsman? Or an image that teaches lies? For the one who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak. 19 Woe to him who says to wood, ‘Come to life!’ Or to lifeless stone, ‘Wake up!’ Can it give guidance? It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.” Hab 2:18,19 Absolutely no image at all; even one men call “spirit-directed”. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization. (1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21) w90 11/1 pp. 23-28

I am guessing by "2" you mean "2nd", and not another "two". I can just imagine how JWs would react if a GB member offered to sign their personal Bibles at a convention. Worth standing in line for? I personally find this Bible narrator one of my favorites. https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/suchet/nivuk/2Cor.1

Oh Eoin, your eyes are so sleepy. JWs cannot hear the voice of Christ over the haughty voices of men who have exalted themselves well above all anointed; including their one true Head, Jesus Christ. Should they wield power over any other member of the anointed body of Christ? 1 Cor. chapter 12 Do I care to worship with people who don’t recognize the true Temple of God? Who admire the “work of their hands” over God’s own House? Who expect God’s “special possession” to bow down to a “Gentile” elder body? Who disfellowship the anointed for turning to CHRIST? (they must hear his voice 😊) Who disfellowship victims of child abuse because they make a noise? Who disfellowship anyone who reject lies? Who fight tooth and nail in courts of law to uphold their own corrupt doctrine? Who side with the nations for aid when they are being persecuted? They are so desperate. Who are so “ignorant” of God that they believe that He looks the other way when false prophets and their predictions never come true? And of all stupid things…who get away with admiring an idol from the nations, by placing it in their own Idol/house of their god? The “law will go out from Zion”, the gathered, redeemed people of God; a remnant who have rejected “bad association” and praise only one God and His Son. Isa chapter 2. Notice what it says at the end of this chapter? Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem? Isa 2:22 This is what Revelation 18:4-8 is speaking about. “Get out of her, “my people”. Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.” 1 Cor 15:33 The organization is nothing but a delusion tactic of Satan, to lead JWs down the broad road not one that leads to life. 2 Thess 2:9-12

Believe me, I am far from being alone and this is not the only forum or avenue used where people are being reached. Zech 4:6 You are accustomed to established religion and the works of men; whereas God’s Holy Spirit touches the heart, providing direction to any who desire truth. ( Ps 19:1-4) John 6:45; 15:26 It takes deliberate effort to study the Bible. I can say anything I like, but if I can't follow it up with scripture, it means nothing. Here's an example: 1971 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.; p. 216) That was believed, and sought after by JWs. Statements such as this one have created a captivity to falsehoods. If we love scriptural truth, we are drawn to it; and if it means reading half the Bible to find it and understand it, we do it.

Oh yes, I saw the news clip yesterday. I mentioned this to my husband and relayed the past bible signing event by the GB.

You think I have fallen back into the world. If I walk in the path of Christ, am I part of the world? John 17:14 The teachings of Christ have no part in the world. The teachings of men (which you believe in) are the teachings of the world. 1 John 4:1,4-6 An earthly organization requires fleshly thinking, fleshly servitude and material money – signs of what the world offers and what the Watchtower puts to good use in every way possible. Worshiping in “spirit and truth” does not require membership to any “temple”. John 4:24 Check the Watchtower about this, (wp16 No. 2 p. 9) On the other hand, we must remember that you are devoted to a “temple” – “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”; an idol much “different” than any other. Dan 7:7; Rev 13:1,5-8; Isa 44:17-20 Which do you love more, God or the organization, or have their identities "blurred" together as your June Watchtower warned about when speaking about idolatry? They are so good at hypocrisy. I do not want any part of your world. 1 John 2:15,16 Really? The “wilderness” is where true Christianity in Christ is found. More scriptures. “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife.33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” The “body” are those under the “woman” New Covenant who have lost any life they knew while in the organization, for their testimony to Christ. They were disfellowshipped for rejecting the “worldly” system that you belong to – a pseudo spiritual paradise. 1 Thess 5:3 They are despised and considered the “garbage of the world”. 1 Cor 4:12,13 “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matt 16:25 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. Rev 12:1,2,13,14 The “wise virgins” belonging to the “woman” enter the door with Christ and join the Marriage Feast “in the wilderness”. All who leave your spiritually polluted “world” are invited. The “foolish virgins” continue to “buy” their spiritual provisions/”oil” from a wicked slave. Matt chapter 25; 24:48-51; Rev 13:16,17 In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4:4 The pumped up glory of the organization far exceeds the JW knowledge of the glory of Christ, otherwise they would seek only him and the Father. Your eyes are filled with earthly things to admire and serve. Who really is it, that is part of the world, you or me? "what is right in his own eyes" The Watchtower has replaced the smiley face with Caleb and Sophia. What did the early Watchtower call it? "Crafty promoters of religion"?

Look at the scriptures following John 10:5: 7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." This leaves out another path to salvation as the organization claims. I wish this wasn't so hard to see. No one can give spiritual credibility to an organization in Satan's world as the path to life. The Destroyer is Satan, who uses lies and deception to kill; to rob us of Truth in Christ. Ask yourself, is the organization's foundation on pure truth? JESUS is the only gate, not an organization. It is HIS voice that I and many others are now listening to, as the scriptures tell us to do. In his day, among his people, Christ's voice and those who preached "the way", was "strange" also. Matt 5:10-12;10:40; Mark 9:37; John 15:18-21; John 16:2

Just to remind you, I have never preached “me”, unlike your self-assumed “faithful and discreet slave”, who preach themselves as fully equipped to judge in “righteousness”. I address the grave situation with the anointed Body of Christ, Temple, “living stones” of God’s priesthood. Your leaders “feed” on your praise, and at the same time, would rather “kill” their brother than have them challenge their faulty, corrupt teachings. “This is what the Lord says: “As for the prophets who lead my people astray, they proclaim ‘peace’ if they have something to eat, but prepare to wage war against anyone who refuses to feed them.” Micah 3:5 “Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous.” 1 John 3:12

Are you so naive that you cannot see your own GB/elder body stumbling all over themselves trying to practice “justice”? Prov 29:7 All their failed attempts are costing the Watchtower a lot of money. They are spiritually “bloodguilty”, not only for ousting God’s anointed priests and many others as spiritually “dead”, but turning their backs on victims of their own committed atrocities. Wickedness abounds in the organization and JWs tolerate it. Zeph 2:1-3; Micah 1:2

Librarian, you have been extremely kind and tolerant of my being here. I don’t care to start my own club or religion. The “two witnesses” during the time of the end preach to spiritual “Israel” who are the anointed ones. If I am asked to leave, I will; but until that time, I will continue to preach to JWs wherever they are found; and that will be here if you continue to have me. Rev 11:3,4; Zech 4:12-14,8-10; Matt 10:23

First off, I find it incredible that even though I posted a picture of a pagan idol standing in the assumed “House of God”/Bethel in Canada, not one JW blinked an eye. Exod 20:5 Is this because the elder body approves of it? This particular post has caused an outrage here - why? Because the elder body disapproves of the anointed ones speaking up for themselves in the name of Jesus Christ? Rom 14:4 Did you even read the scriptures? What is it with JWs and scriptures? You have overtly belittled God’s Temple; as if His primary purpose is to destroy all mankind instead of focusing on His Temple priests to be found pure and blameless and strong in faithfulness to Him and Christ. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; 1 Pet 5:10 Do you believe the Kingdom will come with no challenge made to the integrity of each anointed one and you, simply because you are “safe in Jehovah’s organization”? Luke 22:31; 1 Thess 5:3 “NO LIE IS TO BE FOUND IN THEIR MOUTHS; THEY ARE BLAMELESS” Rev 14:4,5 Certainly this does not include a GB who readily gloss over each and every failed prophetic date and doctrine they have made and put the blame on JWs for believing it. Phil 1:9-11 If the anointed and all JWs gloss it over also, what is their position before God? Rev 18:4-8 2 Thess 2:1-4: “Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t your wayward anointed leaders (“as if from us”) preach that God’s Kingdom ruled by Christ was born in heaven in 1914? That the “day of the Lord” has come? 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessnessis revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." What is God’s Temple to you? All of JWs, as I have heard Samuel Herd comment? (He, of all people should know the true meaning of God's Temple) Is it Warwick? The organization? Or, is it found in Christendom? Who has the authority to cast out God’s Temple priests? The same elder body that approved of an idol in Watchtower’s House of God. Yes, it is the elder body that claims the same exemption as Christendom for clergy confidentiality in their lawsuits; yet, at the same time also claiming NOT to be priests/clergy. You and all JWs have been hoodwinked. In the first fulfillment of Matt 24:15, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman army. Who make up “New Jerusalem” today? I’ll refresh your memory: On its 12 gates, there are inscribed the names of the 12 tribes of Israel. Therefore, this symbolic city is made up of the 144,000, who were sealed “out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” (Revelation 7:4-8) In harmony with this, the foundation stones have on them the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb. Yes, New Jerusalem is not the fleshly nation of Israel founded on the 12 sons of Jacob. It is the spiritual Israel, founded on “the apostles and prophets.”—Ephesians 2:20. Re chap 43, pp 305-313 WHY would the second fulfillment be found anywhere else but in spiritual "Jerusalem"? Your leaders have you convinced that the “man of lawlessness” (Rev 13:5-7,18) is found in Christendom; yet, this entity is mentioned again in Revelation 11: “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.” Rev 11:1,2 Measure it – each anointed one - by what standards? The standards of truth in Christ. Dan 8:12; Rev 3:18 There are anointed ones who have accepted Christ’s refinement, repentant for gulping down lies and practicing idolatry to an organization that claims to be the route to salvation. Acts 4:12 The rest are still inside trodden down by the threat of disfellowshipping by those who are not spiritual “Jews”. Rev 2:9 The temple priesthood is being obliterated, and JWs take it with a grain salt, since the organization has replaced the Temple “living stones” of Zion, with elders who are the image of “Jehovah’s organization” - a counterfeit temple called earthly "Zion." Rev 13:15 And you believe that God will not be bothered by this? You believe that His “special possession” that once sealed in the heavens, ushers in the Kingdom...you believe they are minutia? I back up what I say with scriptures. Can you do the same? Then I looked up, and there before me was a man with a measuring line in his hand. 2 I asked, “Where are you going?” He answered me, “To measure Jerusalem, to find out how wide and how long it is.” 3 While the angel who was speaking to me was leaving, another angel came to meet him 4 and said to him: “Run, tell that young man, ‘Jerusalem will be a city without walls because of the great number of people and animals in it. 5 And I myself will be a wall of fire around it,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will be its glory within.’ 6 “Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north,” declares the Lord, “for I have scattered you to the four winds of heaven,” declares the Lord. 7 “Come, Zion! Escape, you who live in Daughter Babylon!” 8 For this is what the Lord Almighty says: “After the Glorious One has sent me against the nations that have plundered you—for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye— 9 I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me. Zech 2:1-9

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Re-posting this with additions, on the identity of the Man of Lawlessness. I can’t seem to find my previous post that was made under the past label “Controversial” a long while back. Imagine a large room, where genuine anointed ones from the organization have gathered together. I say “genuine” because it is becoming a discreet trend for many to partake during the memorial, who are not anointed. In my mind, I see this as another attempt by Satan to seduce individuals into thinking that all are part of the anointed Body of Christ, under the New Covenant; and which is another step, in concealing who are the “holy ones”. Imagine that these anointed ones in the room are robed in the holy garments that clearly identify them in like manner as the early holy priesthood, awaiting sanctification to serve in God’s Temple. Exod 28:39-43; 39:22-31; 1 Cor 6:11; 2 Cor 7:1; Heb 8:5 From a door located on one side of this large room, another group arrives; men who are not wearing the holy priestly garb. They are not “circumcised” priests, but are “Gentiles” that have unofficially entered the courts of God’s Temple. Each man approaches and stands before an anointed priest, removes their holy garments, and dons the stolen robes, masking the true intentions of the heart. Rom 2:28,29; 9:6; Heb 8:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Joel 2:1-2; Rev.9:3-10; Matt.24:21; Luke21:20,24; Rev.13:10,7 They tell the anointed ones to exit by the other door; which they do, with no questions asked. The result obliterates any “daily sacrifice” that only the authentic priests are able, and are obligated, to perform. With the new fraudulent priesthood come new “sacrifices of praise” that support - not God - but an idol. 1 Chron 23:30-32; 2 Chron 20:11,12; Ezek 8:6; 2 Cor 11:20; Matt 24:15; 1 Pet 2:5; Rom 12:1; Heb 13:15; Rev 2:20 These “uncircumcised” “Gentiles” have been given free access by powerful, rebellious traitors against Christ, to enter God’s Temple…and defile it. No longer does God hear the praises from his holy ones, and no longer can His “living stones” be called, Holy. God’s genuine priesthood has been “defrocked” and a false priesthood now demands their obedience. Ezek 5:11; 1 Cor 3:17; Luke 16:3; Ezek 44:6-8; Rev 13:11,12,15; Ps 79:1 In reality, we do not see the anointed priesthood wearing holy garments. Within the Watchtower, we cannot distinguish how they are set apart for a special work under the New Covenant. Mark 14:22-24 We may only notice them partaking of emblems at the memorial each year; but please, JWs, picture them as each one being part of God’s Temple, and a “living” Temple “stone”. John 2:19-21;1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 Should these stones be replaced with those ‘carved’ by men? Deut 27:5-8; Exod 20:25; Matt 16:18 Because it takes spiritual discernment to see this, the Watchtower relies on their ability to cover over these spiritual insights of scripture; and by doing so, have successfully defrocked God’s priesthood, replacing them with “uncircumcised” “Gentiles” – the Body of Elders. Ezek 44:23,24; Mal 2:7-9 The "sacrifices of praise" by this false priesthood do not ascend to God, since those have been abolished. They are praises supporting the Watchtower Idol - "Jehovah's organization". Rev 13:4,7,8 Watchtower 02/8/1 “REPRESENTING the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not.” “Rather than CHALLENGE their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” To enforce this blasphemous authorization of replacing God’s Temple priests, the article boldly states: “Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.” Is this true? God’s Word verifies that it has never been acceptable for his temple priesthood to be replaced. 2 Chron 23:6;13:9; Ezek 44:6-9 Matthew 24:15 – “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ (the “disgusting thing”) spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand)” How can we relate this scripture to the elder body having authority over the anointed priesthood in the organization? Rev 11:1,2, shows “Gentiles” overtaking the sanctuary/"holy place" of God, and robbing the anointed priesthood of their ‘holy garments’; thus desolating this spiritual sanctuary. Also, Daniel reveals the intentions of Watchtower’s leaders to destroy God’s “sanctuary”: “He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered. “ Dan 8:11,12 What do the “daily sacrifices” include? They are the expressions of truth each priest must speak and teach, but the anointed have allowed “Gentiles” to absorb these priestly duties; becoming unfaithful to their Master, Christ. Deut 11:18; John 14:16,17;15:5,16 These corrupters of truth are teaching what is “marked” by a false prophet, who disseminate untruths – defiled “sacrifices” praising an organizational idol, which are rejected by God. Jer 9:2-8; 7:28 The authentic priesthood is obligated to dispense this regulated spiritual food, or face expulsion. Mal 2:7-9; Rev 13:15,16 In Pearl Doxsey’s article, “Teach the Distinction”, she speaks of the duties God’s priesthood are to perform under their High Priest, Jesus Christ: “The first job of priest is to praise God (Isa.43:21; 1Pet.2:9; Heb.13:15; Rev.7:10,12; Matt.6:9) so that all sheep may know and revere God accurately. The second job of priest, is to teach all worshipers the distinction between what is clean, and what is defiled (Eze.44:23; Jer.23:22;Haggai 2:11,12). The UNfaithful priests not only fail to teach the people the difference between the sacred and the common (Eze.22:26; Zeph.3:4) ...they also call the unclean, sacred; and the sanctified, they pollute and destroy...including YHWH's own Temple (Micah3:9; Isa.5:20;1Cor.3:17; Eze.23:38; 5:11; 22:8). In the time of the end, both failures merge; because it is the lost boundary between sacred priest (Rom.2:29; Titus2:14; 1Pet.2:10,9) and Gentile (Eze.44:9,7; Mark13:14; Rev.11:2), that allows the entrance of the counterfeit Gentile priesthood of elders into the sanctuary to serve as priests. These Gentiles comprise a vile Organizational Beast given false divinity (Rev.13:15; 9:2,3,7).... a false god... a collective of unclean counterfeit "priests" raised up within God's anointed household... into an "Image" to obey, slave for, submit to, and worship [2Chron.13:9; Prov.17:16; Ec.10:7; 1Cor.6:1,2,3; --("Lord's people"/"holy ones"-Dan.7:22 are not elders); Rev.13:14,15,8]. The last powerful and “unusual” force of Daniel’s image expresses two contrasting elements – one of clay and one of iron, found together. The entirety of this image describes powers that have affected God’s people during their individual historic reigns, but please consider Pearl’s comment on the last power and fourth beast that the anointed ones face today in the Watchtower organization. From the article, “Iron and Clay” – “The feet of the image shows that the reign over the anointed in the time of the end, is dual. Not only is the metallic element still there (as it was in the previous powers- All "Gentiles"-not God's people) (Gentiles-Iron); for the first time, the statue contains "clay" of the earth..."the offspring of MANKIND". (Dan.2:41-43) This clay represents those who belong to the "Potter" (Isa.29:16; 45:9; Jer.18:6; Rom.9:21), and they SHOULD be molded by Him alone. But instead, they mold themselves to the Iron (Gentiles) by conforming themselves to the iron, allowing the iron to mold them, rather than God. Unknowingly, these "clay" actually conform to Satan's will, becoming a part of Satan's dominion over God's people (Rev.9:1; 17:12). In a short time, that clay hardens to this form (as baked clay), and is no longer useful to its original owner. It is now suited only for destruction as an extension of Satan's "body". This has come to pass, in that the anointed today are dominated within the Organization, not only by spiritual "Gentiles" alone; but by their own brothers who have joined in with the Gentiles to dominate their brothers in Christ....the wicked steward with "confirmed drunkards" from outside the master's household (Matt.24:45,48-51). When Christ, through the final capstone, "smashes" the feet of the image of Daniel (Dan.2:34,45; Heb.11:10; Eze.3:8,9; Isa.50:7; 45:17; 49:8; 54:4; Micah.1:2); it is not smashing all of Satan's world, but only the Image Satan has used to dominate God's people, which is NOT Satan's entire world-wide dominion. It is well known that the Image of Daniel does not contain all the political identities which have ever existed in Satan's world; But only ones which have dominated God's chosen people.” An early Watchtower magazine compares JWs with the Nethinim and Gibeonites who have united together to support the anointed remnant. WT 63/7/1 p. 416: The antitypical Nethinim and Gibeonites have associated with the priestly remnant in worshiping Jehovah alone as God, willingly becoming temple assistants in support of the remnant of “living stones” of the spiritual temple. All sounds well and good by this early admittance to the anointed as “living stones” of God’s Temple, but it is rarely made today, if at all; since all focus is now on the Watchtower organizational idol, and no longer on God’s Temple and its development. Rev 13:1,5,6; 16:13,14 To let you know, the Nethinim, or “temple servants” were part of the listed group of returning with Israel, it’s priests and Levites, from captivity in Babylon during the time of King Cyrus. Ezra 2:43;8:20; Nehemiah 7:7 The Gibeonites were pressed into service after deceiving Joshua to make a covenant with Israel, long before this time period. Josh 9:3-23 Their name is also recorded as individuals helping in the temple building process. Neh 3:7 However, after King Cyrus issued the decree that captive Israel was to return home from Babylon, there was opposition that the people faced once the new temple foundation had been laid. A resettled people, enemies with the intention of obstructing the completion of the temple, deceitfully presented their help in the building process. When the enemies of Judah and Benjamin heard that the returned exiles were building a temple for the Lord, the God of Israel, 2 they approached Zerubbabel and the family heads and said to them, “Let us build with you, for we also worship your God and have been sacrificing to him since the time King Esar-haddon of Assyria brought us here.” Ezra 4:1,2 The Samaritans had taken up residence in the land when God’s people entered captivity, and were the prime threat in rebuilding the temple in Ezra’s day. From the northern tribes after the split of Israel, they claimed to be descendants of Ephraim and Manasseh; even of the Levite tribe; yet, at that time period, they were bitter enemies of the southern Kingdom of Judah. 3 But Zerubbabel, Jeshua, and the other heads of Israel’s families answered them, “You may have no part with us in building a house for our God, since we alone will build it for the Lord, the God of Israel, as King Cyrus, the king of Persia has commanded us.” 4 Then the people who were already in the landdiscouraged the people of Judah and made them afraid to build. 5 They also bribed officials to act against them to frustrate their plans throughout the reign of King Cyrus of Persia and until the reign of King Darius of Persia. Ezra 4:3-5 This event is mirrored in the Watchtower by enemies of Christ who resist any further “construction” on God’s Temple. Rev 9:3-7; 13:7 The priesthood in covenant with God has allowed modern day “Samaritans” from the “north” to persuade them with similar tactics as happened in Ezra, Nehemiah and Haggai’s day; employing confusion, bribery, threats and lies to keep these “stones” from their restoration into God’s Temple. (Ezek 38:14-16; Dan 11:14-16) The persuasion is so convincing that the anointed willingly hand over their royal “robes”, their identity as God’s priests, to the Man of Lawlessness, the elder body. “Zion stretches out her hands; there is no one to comfort her. The Lord has issued a decree against Jacob that his neighbors should be his adversaries. Jerusalem has become something impure among them.” Lam 2:17 Please, JWs, educate yourselves of the vital importance of this priesthood dominated by the fourth Beast of Daniel’s visions. Dan 7:7 Not only are the anointed ones affected by such a crushing duel power, but also are all who reside in the organization. We are to FLEE AWAY from this abomination and come to the true Mountain and restoration of Daughter Zion, that will destroy the last power to afflict God’s people. Matt 24:16; Joel 2:20,25-27 Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot “Who Gathers, Who Partakes” “Sanctified, Justified, Declared Righteous – How?”

Proverbs 28:5

One lie after another, after another, after another. It gets so tiring. You would think JWs would see just one of them, and ponder on it; catching it before swallowing it down - hook, line, and sinker. Oh, the leaders are so adept at lying for the benefit of their idol. It is a shameful thing to be blindly led along by liars and sharing their intoxicating "wine". If we swallow falsehoods and repeat them as truth, we don't escape judgment by putting the blame on those who taught us. We are individually responsible to speak truth; if in the least, we believe and have faith in God and Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 4:3-5 Blindness, idolatry, lies, go hand in hand.

I just wanted to share scriptures about a wicked "generated" seed who have chosen Satan as their father, and found among mankind from the beginning until now. There is a generation that curses its father, And does not bless its mother. 12 There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes, Yet is not washed from its filthiness. 13 There is a generation—oh, how lofty are their eyes! And their eyelids are lifted up. 14 There is a generation whose teeth are like swords, And whose fangs are like knives, To devour the poor from off the earth, And the needy from among men. Prov 30:11-14 As well as one that describes a generation of those who have chosen God as their Father: Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call on the Lord? 5 There they are in great fear, For God is with the generation of the righteous. Ps 14:4,5 Neither, are limited to the time span of a human, since they are their father's children; yet also can include a generation of righteous or wicked during a certain time period. Mark 8:38 includes all who reject Christ. For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

@TrueTomHarley, please go to www . silentlambs . org and scroll down the left hand column to see how many times the word "elder" is found in each story heading.

An anointed one’s job is to speak truth in Christ. John 17:17 Are you aware of just how many anointed ones have been disfellowshipped for speaking about Christ, and who may have pointed to the magazine cover I posted saying, this is a lie? What right does the elder body have to disfellowship those who reject falsehoods? Rom 14:4 Yet, they hold power over God’s anointed Temple priesthood, don’t they. This isn’t a small matter with God OR Christ. 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1-3 John, I didn’t leave Jesus or the Father, I finally submitted myself to him. I left men who were acting as my head instead of allowing me and all anointed to be led by Jesus Christ. Eph 5:25-27 So…who is it that left Jesus – me, or the GB who want solid obedience to any and all of their doctrine , and to them? Matt 24:48-51 Where is it in the scriptures that we are to follow other doctrine than what is already outlined in the Word of God? Everything I posted about "generation" was based on scripture. David Splane gave one scripture to back up his definition of "generation". Jesus said, “Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” John 14:24 I found I could not obey Christ’s teachings along with the GB’s teachings. They conflict on so many levels, so I chose Christ. I chose one Master, and it isn’t men. Matt 6:24 Jesus Christ, to whom I look to for eternal life – NOT an organization. Dear sir, do you realize you are comparing uninspired men to the apostles who saw visions and prophesied in truth? Is there really any comparison that can be made? Look at the length of “Beliefs Clarified”, and then consider ALL the mistakes (can you name them?) that the apostles made. It is blasphemy to categorize the GB with the apostles, but by your doing so, you have done just as they wish. You have not only made them apostles, but by your obedience to their doctrine, you have made them “substitutes” for Christ. (compare your Bible’s translation with any other, 2 Cor 5:20) “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” Matt 24:24 I do hope you consider this next scripture: “False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction.” 2 Pet 2:1 All of “Beliefs Clarified” are untrue doctrines. All of them; and as I showed in the quote from the 1975 Yearbook, the 1925 doctrine was destructive to many individuals, just as the 1975 doctrine was also very destructive to the beliefs held by many JWs. I will suggest something in all sincerity. Since you have been in the organization for many years it sounds, search the IT book and early magazines about WHO comprise God’s Temple. Research the Body of Christ – which are the anointed members. Then, compare today’s teachings of, as an example; “gifts in men” and “princes”, and who are to receive “double honor”. All three of these refer to the anointed ones, but instead, the elders hold claim to them as they also hold claim to the priesthood, which can’t be challenged. Consider 1 Cor 3:16,17 and just how important it is that the “holy place”/Temple/”living stones” (1 Pet 2:5,9) are not “destroyed”. This is a spiritual destruction through “trampling”; and who can step on and disfellowship God’s priests? The elder body. Do you truly believe that Christ, the High Priest, is OKAY with his priesthood being submissive to those not anointed? Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11; Matt 24:15; Ezek 44:6-9 Do you really believe God rejects those who turn to His Son for guidance as many anointed and believers in Jesus Christ, have? Matt 17:5

Watchtower 2017/2/pg 24,25: Holy spirit helps the Governing Body. The holy spirit has helped the Governing Body to understand Bible truths that were not understood before. For example, consider the list of beliefs clarified that was mentioned earlier. No human could have understood and explained these “deep things of God” on his own! (Read 1 Corinthians 2:10.) The Governing Body feels as did the apostle Paul, who wrote: “These things we also speak, not with words taught by HUMAN WISDOM, but with those taught by the spirit.” (1 Corinthians 2:13) After hundreds of years of false teachings AND NO CLEAR DIRECTION, why has there been such an increase of Bible understanding since 1919? The reason can only be that God has been helping with his holy spirit! This paragraph is absolutely convoluted in its message. JWs, I would guess you are all aware of the expansive list of “Beliefs Clarified”. They are called “adjustments” in teachings since 1870. The need for such a list proves there was no clear direction at the outset, and that human wisdom runs the Watchtower organization. Do you agree? Here is just one teaching that needed adjusting: "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an ESTABLISHED TRUTH that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915. (The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 99)” Is this statement which was presented as established truth, sourced in Holy Spirit or human thinking? God’s Kingdom obviously didn’t arrive in 1915 as predicted, OR 1914, as predicted. Could the governing body be admitting that Holy Spirit did not lead “God’s organization” in its early days by stating “no human can understand and explain these “deep things of God”? They are experts at creating confusion; playing mind games that are incredibly twisted, by receiving help from the Father of the lie. John 8:44; Rev 13:11,13,14; 17:1-6 Here is a prime example of how JW members have suffered under the organization’s flawed doctrine: "The year 1925 came and went. Jesus' anointed followers were still on earth as a class. The faithful men of old time - Abraham, David and others - had not been resurrected to become princes in the earth. (Ps. 45:16) So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: '1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were STUMBLED; THEIR HOPES WERE DASHED...Instead of it's being considered a 'PROBABILITY,' they READ INTO IT that it was a 'CERTAINTY' and some prepared for their loved ones with expectations of their resurrection." (Yearbook, 1975, p. 146) Was it taught by the Watchtower leaders as a “probability”, or a “certainty”’? "Our thought is, that 1925 is DEFINITELY SETTLED BY THE SCRIPTURES. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." (Watchtower, p. 106, March 1, 1923) "The year 1925 is a date DEFINITELY AND CLEARLY MARKED IN SCRIPTURES, even more clearly than that of 1914.” (Watchtower 1924, p. 211) “DEFINITELY SETTLED BY THE SCRIPTURES” “DEFINITELY AND CLEARLY MARKED IN SCRIPTURES” I vote, “certainty”. Who received the blame for believing it was a ‘certainty’? "The difficulty was that the friends INFLATED THEIR IMAGINATIONS BEYOND REASON; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." (Watchtower 1925, p. 56) It was stated clearly by WT’s leaders that 1925 was an “established truth”. Please understand it was through their imagination that the lie was created. Ezek 13:1-3; Isa 65:2; Ps 73:7; 2 Pet 2:3 The Watchtower states: “The Governing Body feels as did the apostle Paul, who wrote: “These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit.” Is the GB saying that now – finally, they are leading JWs by teachings sourced in Holy Spirit? It seems that way, but there is also the "new light" theory, where every designated teaching in the “Beliefs Clarified” list began with Holy Spirit’s direction as “light”; and that each “adjustment” of a certain teaching became progressively brighter since 1870. (Prov 4:18 ) Yet, any logical thinking person would agree that 1925 as the date of Armageddon, was not an “established fact”; but a false prophet’s proclamation formulated in the dark recesses of a wicked mind. Mark 13:22; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 13:11; 16:13,14 Still, the uninspired governing body is comparing its members to the apostle Paul, as being taught by spirit. Well, let’s see if this is true. Based on 1975 as the date of Armageddon: "Some of the generation that discerned the beginning of the time of the end in 1914 WILL STILL BE ALIVE ON EARTH to witness the end of this present wicked system of things at the battle of Armageddon.-Rev. 16:14, 16." Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272 (also Dec 1 p.715) There have been a few adjustments to this failed “certainty” over time, but a few years ago David Splane presented his new theory that now falls under the category of “truth” and you, JWs, can teach as such in your “preaching work”. David Splane – “The generation will not pass away until the tribulation occurs. Now that is interesting, that is relevant to us. But of course we have to know, what is a generation, and what particular generation is Jesus talking about.” He begins by turning to Exod 1:6: “And Joseph died, all his brothers, and all that generation.” Joseph had 11 brothers, 10 were older than him, and there was Benjamin, the youngest. He calls them “contemporaries”, living at the same time and part of the same generation, even though born during different years. This is his crutch to move on to the life span of Fred Franz, born in 1893, baptized in 1913 and died in 1992. It was never clearly brought out when this man was anointed, but that he was an anointed one who “saw” the physical signs of Matt 24 as beginning in 1914, and apparently recognized their significance at a young age of 21 years. 1992, the year Franz died, is the date pulled out of the hat for the termination of “this generation” of Matt 24:34 Mr. Splane: “For the sake of argument, let’s SUPPOSE, in order to be part of this generation” (from 1914-1992), someone would have had to been anointed before 1992, because he would have to have been a contemporary of some of the first group. Anyone anointed AFTER 1992 would be of the anointed, but he would NOT be a part of “this generation” and Jesus said, “this generation will not pass away until all these things happen”. In the hard copy form, Splane’s SUPPOSITION is presented as fact, in the Wt 14/1/15 p. 31, par 15,16. Joseph and his brothers were children of a fleshly family, but there is a spiritual family mentioned immediately following David Splane’s choice of a “generation” definition: “But the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL were fruitful and increased abundantly, multiplied and grew exceedingly mighty; and the land was filled with them.” If they remained faithful, the “children of Israel” had as their Father, YHVH, as spirit sons of God throughout many physical generations. They were a spiritual “generation” of seed that extended beyond the physical lifespan of a man or woman. When Christ came to earth, many of these children rejected the Father by rejecting Jesus, and adopted another father who also ‘generates’ seed – Satan, the devil. Gen 3:15; John 8:37; Gal 3:29 We have one spiritual generation as righteous children of God, Ps 112:2; Hos 1:10; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9,10; Eph 5:1; Matt 5:48; Phil 2:15… …and one as wicked sons of the Devil: Deut 32:5; John 8:39-44; Luke 13:34; 1 John 3:12 1 John 3:10 - “This is how God’s children and the devil’s children become obvious. Whoever does not do what is right is not of God, especially the one who does not love his brother or sister.” The children of spiritual “Israel” increased abundantly when the way was opened for “other sheep” to compensate for the fleshly Jews’ lack of faith in Christ. John 10:16 – “But I have other sheep that are not from this sheep pen; I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd.” To the Roman centurion, Cornelius, his household and friends, Peter said: “Now I truly understand that God doesn’t show favoritism, 35 but in every nation the person who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. 36 He sent the message to the Israelites, proclaiming the good news of peace through Jesus Christ—he is Lord of all. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be the judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.” While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came down on all those who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.” Then Peter responded, 47 “Can anyone withhold water and prevent these people from being baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” Acts 10:34-36,42-47 JWs, can you see that what occurred in Cornelius’ home that day, was an anointing of the Holy Spirit on all who were with him? It was the introduction of “other sheep” into the one anointed fold under one Shepherd. Rom 5:5; 2 Cor 1:21,22; 2 Tim 1:14; Eph 4:4,5; 1 Pet 5:4; Rev 7:13-17 The “little flock” of physical Jews and the “other sheep” from all physical Gentile nations have become spiritual “Israel”. This spiritual “house” made up of the “children of Israel” should be one flock under Christ, one spiritual “body” that Christ has gathered for his priesthood; and ultimately, one Bride of Christ. 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Acts 11:15-18; Acts 13:46; 15:14; Rom.11:25; Gal 3:27-29; Eph 2:11,12,18-22; John4:35,23; Matt.9:38; Isa.49:18; Rev 14:1; Psalm45:14; Rev 22:17 However, teachings such as David Splane’s effort to work around the falsehood of 1914 and its physical signs; and seeing the need to fabricate a new doctrine for “this generation”, have mislead the anointed ones and YOU, with ‘established’ lies. Matt 12:39 In the eyes of God, would He consider “Beliefs Clarified” as needed adjustments, or falsehoods from the time they were first taught? Isa 55:8,9;Lev 19:11; Prov 6:16,17; 12:22; 14:5 Should one’s heart cherish a past lie with fondness by viewing it as perhaps, the “heritage” of a developing nation of people? This is exactly how the WT explains it. WT 13/2/15 p. 4 - “As Christians, we have a precious heritage. Says Collins Cobuild English Dictionary: “A country’s heritage is all the qualities, traditions, or features of life there that have continued over many years and have been passed on from one generation to another.” Our spiritual heritage includes the blessing of enjoying ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God’s Word and a CLEAR UNDERSTANDING of the truth about him and his purposes.” You read one of the experiences concerning the failed 1925 doctrine in the 1975 Yearbook above. The blame of believing inaccurate knowledge and its false promises, was put upon Watchtower’s members and not on its leaders who fed you the lie. Is this any type of heritage to be proud of? Are we blessed for believing falsehood? Gen 3:4; Col 3:9; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 22:15 First, lets look at Matt.12:39. Jesus speaks of a "wicked and adulterous generation". These would also be present at the "end of all things" (Mark 8:38) (1Pet.4:7; 1Cor.15:24). He also spoke of another generation which is righteous (Matt.24:34,35; Psalm14:5; 112:2; Gal.4:26) BOTH these generations of seed, exist and battle,UNTIL THE END (Gen.3:15; Rev.12:17,7; John8:44; Rev.12:11; 1Pet.1:23; Gal.3:29 etc.) Are those wicked and "adulterous" to their covenant with God (1Cor.6:15,16; Rev.18:3; 17:1,2; Isa.1:21,27,28), limited to the first Century Jews? No. The Bible's prophecies about the "end" are full of indications that Satan's seed is alive and well, busy persecuting the faithful up until the end (Rev.20:7-9). Those adulterous to God's covenant in the time of the end, also keep seeking for physical signs to guide their worship. Because of their fleshly orientation, they will be mislead by the signs provided to them (2Thess.2:9,10; Rev.13:13,14) These too, will only receive one authentic tangible sign from God....the "sign of the Son of Man" (Matt.24:30). Pearl Doxsey “The Sign of the Son of Man” I think we can ‘adjust’ the opening statement by saying, after a hundred years of false teachings by the Watchtower, we who have finally broken the bond of our captivity to lies, are now blessed and able to perceive the truth that Christ presents us in these last days. Dan 12:4; Matt 22:8,9; 24:27,28; Rev 22:10; 10:7 We have heeded Prov 14:7: “Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.” What is stopping you, JWs, from seeking the only doctrine that brings life? John 7:16-18 Those whom Christ “sends” must speak this truth, and are the authentic “witnesses” of God; “killed” by your leaders for doing so. John 13:20; Matt 7:15-20; John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:1,7,11,15 Once leaving the adulterous “city”, they submit to refinement and repentance from sins, idolatry, false prophesy, and false doctrine by an “Ephraim” who teaches “human precepts”. Jer 25:29; 2 Tim 2:25,26; 1 Pet 3:9; Rev 3:18; Isa 29:13; Hos 5:11; Matt 15:9; Luke 3:9 They and their companions together, support this truth. “I have seen something horrible in the house of Israel: Ephraim’s promiscuity is there; Israel is defiled. 11 A harvest is also appointed for you, Judah. When I return my people from captivity, when I heal Israel, the iniquity of Ephraim and the crimes of Samaria (meaning “watch tower”) will be exposed. FOR THEY PRACTICE FRAUD; a thief breaks in; a raiding party pillages outside. 2 BUT THEY NEVER CONSIDER THAT I REMEMBER ALL THEIR EVIL. NOW THEIR ACTIONS ARE ALL AROUND THEM; THEY ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE. Come, let us return to the Lord. For he has torn us, and he will heal us; he has wounded us, and he will bind up our wounds. 2 He will revive us after two days, and on the third day he will raise us up so we can live in his presence. 3 Let us strive to know the Lord. His appearance is as sure as the dawn. He will come to us like the rain, like the spring showers that water the land. Hos 6:10,11;7:1,2; 6:1-3 Isa.48:20,21; Rev.22:1; Ps.36:8; 23:2; 46:4; Prov.13:14; John7:38; Isa.44:23; 49:5,9; Rev.13:10; 18:4; 2Cor.6:17; Isa.61:1; 43:1,2; Ps.66:12; Isa.43:10,21; 27:6; John15:8; Rev.22:2; Jer.31:10,11; Ps.142:6; Isa.51:11 Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot: “Generation” “An Illustration” “New Scrolls?” “Little Flock”

I just realize it wasn't under this topic, but...

"to follow the teachings of the teacher and so forth." My comment here was about Watchtower's baptisms, which do NOT follow the teachings of the teacher - Jesus Christ. This is truth. I will not entertain your whim to degrade anything and everything I have said here. Fire away, SM. I am finished.

What were those certain things? Do you remember? From what I recall they had to do with politics and not scripture. The term, "Truther" is very foreign to me. If I remain in Christ, I remain in truth. "Truther" sounds like a member of a cult. If you've used it before, I may have skimmed over it when glancing at your rather long posts. You've probably written a book, just to me, which I won't finish reading. Let's not start another one.