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Wt. 11/7/15 - “HOW DO FALSE TEACHERS OPERATE? THEIR METHODS REVEAL A CUNNING SPIRIT. APOSTATES “QUIETLY BRING IN” CORRUPTIVE IDEAS. LIKE SMUGGLERS, THEY OPERATE IN A CLANDESTINE MANNER, SUBTLY INTRODUCING APOSTATE VIEWS”. It begins benignly, truthfully, like this: Wt. 1882, pgs 71-71 – “BEWARE OF ‘ORGANIZATION’. It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. DO NOT SEEK TO BIND OTHERS’ CONSCIENCES, AND DO NOT PERMIT OTHERS TO BIND YOURS. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God’s Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day”. And escalates into this: Wt. 11/15/81 “Make haste to IDENTIFY the visible theocratic ORGANIZATION of God that represents his king, Jesus Christ. IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR LIFE. Doing so, be complete in accepting its every aspect”. Wt. 13/11/15 –“ At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from JEHOVAH’S ORGANIZATION may not appear practical from a human standpoint. ALL OF US MUST BE READY TO OBEY any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.” Rev 16:13,14: “And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth, (the anointed ones Rev 1:5) and of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.” We are aware that a fertilized egg of a frog is laid in a mass under water. In a few days, a tadpole is formed, and eventually, the metamorphosis is complete, as a mature frog has developed. Even the diet during this process changes from grasses to meat. In the Watchtower, what begins as a scriptural truth, becomes a full-fledged lie, sourced in Satan’s “sea”, that consumes the individual who submits his mind and heart to it. Each beginning of a lie is part of many, that the Watchtower has ‘morphed’ over the years. These teachings have become unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. Rev 13:1,2 (Prov 14:25) Again, from the WT 11/7/15: “AND JUST AS A CLEVER FORGER TRIES TO PASS PHONY DOCUMENTS, SO APOSTATES USE ‘COUNTERFEIT WORDS’, OR FALSE ARGUMENTS, TRYING TO PASS THEIR FABRICATED VIEWS AS IF THEY WERE TRUE.” Here's an example of a fabricated view: Wt. 14/1/15 - “How did Jehovah become King in 1914, and what were some of the Kingdom’s early accomplishments? The subsequent famines, earthquakes, and pestilences as well as the fulfillment of other Bible prophecies proved CONCLUSIVELY that Jesus Christ had begun to rule in heaven as King of God’s Kingdom in 1914. By enthroning his Son as the Messianic King, Jehovah had, indeed, become King in a new sense!” The SYMBOLIC famines, earthquakes, pestilences are the labor pains that PRECEDE the birth of God’s Kingdom. This is the natural order of birth. Luke 21:8,9; Mark 13:8; Ezek 22:28 “Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your ]composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a MESSAGE OR A LETTER AS IF FROM US, TO THE EFFECT THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD HAS COME. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.” 2 Thess 2:1-4 Watchtower continues: “THEY SPREAD 'DECEPTIVE TEACHINGS,' 'TWISTING'...THE SCRIPTURES TO FIT THEIR OWN IDEAS. (2 Pet. 2:1, 3, 13; 3:16)” Twisting the scriptures, and creating new doctrine such as: Wt 02/8/1 - “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. Hebrews 13:7,17" JWs, go back to the scriptures to find the truth: Num 18:7 - “But you and your sons will carry out your priestly responsibilities for everything concerning the altar and for what is inside the veil, and you will do that work. I am giving you the work of the priesthood as a gift, BUT AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON WHO COMES NEAR THE SANCTUARY WILL BE PUT TO DEATH." Who are the Temple sanctuary? 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 2Chron.13:9; Ezek 22:26;Eze.44:6,7,8,9; 2Thess.2:4; Dan.11:31; Matt.24:15; Rev 11:1,2 “CLEARLY, APOSTATES DO NOT HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. FOLLOWING THEM WOULD DIVERT US FROM THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE”. Shepherd the Flock book, page 65 (the previous version) – “Apostasy is a standing away from true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion.” It includes: “Deliberately spreading teachings contrary to bible truth… AS TAUGHT BY JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES” Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot “The Kingdom—1914?” “The Sign of the End”

Wow. Queen Esther, do you understand what this man is saying? Not only are individuals spiritually "killed" from being disfellowshipped, but he desires literal vengeance against "apostates". If anointed and believers in Christ are disfellowshipped for serving Christ, who is bloodguilty? Who is it that judges a man? Mere men? Rom 12:17-21; 2:16; 2 Tim 4:1a; Isa 2:22

It happened to be a Sunday morning, at 11:00, when many JWs are at a meeting. To give him the benefit of the doubt, his meeting time may have been in the afternoon.

I like how you put this. Yes, it is about a big change. Clouds, angels and heaven: Matt 24:30 - “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthwill mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.” Heb 12:1 – “Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us” God’s “great cloud of witnesses” are those whom He has chosen, his sealed priesthood. Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10 Rev 1:7 - “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. Jude 1:14 – “It was about these that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied: "Look! The Lord comes with tens of thousands of his holy ones” 2 Thess 2:7,10 – “and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels…when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.” Eph 2:6 - and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus Heb 12:22,23 – “But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the assembly of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven.” (Rom 8:29) Rev 3:12 – “The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16) of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.” Angels of heaven, the clouds of heaven, all refer to the “144,000”, the Bride of Christ. Jesus returns with his Bride of "living stones" sealed in the Temple, and "admired among all those who believe". (Zech 4:7-10) “The New Jerusalem” – “I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” 2 Cor 11:2 – “I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” This “virginity” is related to spiritual cleanliness. Rev 14:4 – “These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.” “Women” represent covenants. (Gal 4:26) Entering a spiritual relationship with those who preach “another Jesus” results in spiritual adultery.

That is most definitely, absolute frenzy. Witnessing hypocrisy in action is probably a big part of it.

How sad that this person doesn’t see the attack on the “holy ones”, the anointed ones in the organization, as WT leaders slander them with the statements made in the January, 2016 WT, “We Want to Go With You” The sinning against the Holy Spirit, is by robbing the true identity of the Temple of God in the anointed priesthood, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) and applying it to an earthly organization in Satan’s world. The sinning against the Holy Spirit is by robbing God of his anointed priesthood and replacing it with the elder body. 2 Thess 2:3,4 The sinning against the Holy Spirit is when an elder body deems an anointed one spiritually "dead" for turning to their Head, Jesus Christ; thus, rejecting apostasy. John 16:2 How many people have turned to Christ and left the Watchtower? Does God really view them as dead for listening to His Son; for realizing he is the way, the truth, and the life? John 14:6 All of this spiritual "killing" is "bloodguilt".

Who do we know that makes decisions in "inner rooms" as if they are the Head over all JWs? If I say it, I might get busted. Matt 24:24 - For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect ("chosen" 1 Pet 2:9).

I remember now. And I spoke of Jesus as the first to be a “new creation”, both human and spirit, as we saw his ability to appear as a human after his resurrection. John 21:14; 1 Cor 15:44 He was born of both flesh, and of spirit. 1 Pet 3:18; John 3:6; Col 2:9 Something occurred to me which facilitates the need for me to correct what I said, or give more explanation. Jesus sits at the right hand of God, so how could he not reside in unapproachable light? Hebrews 1:3 highlights this: He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. However, by becoming a new creation, it allows him to be seen on the earth at his return, along with his Bride. Acts 1:11; Rev 21:2; 22:17 Additional scripture: But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” Hebrews 1:6,7 God's angel/messengers who become spirit, are the Bride. 2 Cor 5:17; 1 Cor 15:44; 3:16

Melinda, I don't believe this is speaking about Jesus, but is addressing God who lives in unapproachable light. "I command you, in the sight of God who gives life to all things and Christ Jesus who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you observe the commandment without fault, irreproachable until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will make known in his own time, the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of those who reign as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one who alone possesses immortality, who lives in unapproachable light, whom no human being has seen nor is able to see, to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen." The passage is speaking about God who gives life and who will make known the time when Jesus returns. Jesus could not be the only Sovereign when we know God is Sovereign. "And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them..." Acts 4:24 Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2,3; Ps 47:7 To Moses, - "But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” Exod 33:20 But Jesus will be seen when he returns - "And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11 How do you account for Ananias seeing Jesus in a vision and speaking to him? God is King of kings and Lord of Lords; Christ has received that title also. Rev 17:14

I hope JWs pay attention to your post, Shiwiii. Yes, I agree that having "all authority" qualifies one to kingship. "And also, corresponding to this, baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, with angels and authorities and powers having been subjected to him." 1 Pet 3:21,22 "having been subjected" - KJV: angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. AMP: with [all] angels and authorities and powers made subservient to Him. NIV: with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. "A declaration of Yahweh to my lord,“Sit at my right handuntil I make your enemies your footstool.” Yahweh will send out your mighty scepter from Zion;rule in the midst of your enemies. Ps 110:1,2 Stephen, when being stoned to death: But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” Acts 7:55,56 Here, he stands, with authority and power to accuse Stephen's persecutors. Why doesn't the Watchtower want to recognize Christ's ruling authority since he received it? Adding another scripture: But from now on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God. Luke 22:69 And, using Ps 110:1,2 we can see that while he is seated at God's right hand, he is ruling as King.

There certainly is a kink in Watchtower’s spiritual “hose”. When a House Steward attempts to personally produce every provision necessary for the residents of the house, without consulting the cook, the maid, the gardener, the keeper of the books, do you think the house will run efficiently; especially if the steward has never been a gardener, a cook, a maid, or a keeper of the books? What would motivate a House Steward to take on all that responsibility? Why wouldn’t he seek out or “dig” for some help? Luke 16:1-4 When he did realize he couldn’t do it all, why would he appoint his own “helpers” outside of the house? Matt 24:48-51 And, what does he tell those servants already inside the house? Does he tell them “submit to my decision or I’ll have you fired?” Rev 13:15-17 The House is God’s spiritual house; the anointed Body of Christ. Eph 2:20-22 Every member of His house must be put to use in the capacity God gave them. It’s not the decision of men to regulate another’s personal gift from God; but, this is between Christ and his priest. Eph 5:23 “For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.” Rom 12:3-8 "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works [e]all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all." 1 Cor 12:4-7 "But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you'; nor again the head to the feet, 'I have no need of you.' 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no [h]schism (division) in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it." 1 Cor 12:20-26 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [e]edifying (building up) of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ Eph 4:11-13 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:42-48 Each anointed one receives a “portion” of Holy Spirit, to be used properly and not to be squandered away at the demand of a wicked steward/slave. 1 Cor 1:21,22 In the organization, this is exactly what is taking place. Matt 24:48-51 I was raised on plenty of potatoes, a lot of spaghetti, peaches and pears from our trees, and trout that my father caught in the spring and summer. I had never tasted an avocado or a pomegranate until I moved away, which became some of my favorite foods; even though as a child I wasn't deprived of food. We don’t miss what we have never had. 2 Chron 15:3; Lev 26:26; Ezek 4:10-13; Amos 8:11; Rev 3:17; 6:5,6 Until the Body works uniformly in providing spiritual food as God expects it to, you will not know what you are missing, since the anointed in the organization are not allowed to contribute to the production of spiritual food. Isa 55:1,2; Rev 22:17 As the quote from the WT states: Pearl Doxsey - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot "A Hidden Famine - A Hidden Feast"

Well…I fully expected you NOT to answer me because you said…. Besides, I left the comment with questions, which you seem to be ignoring. No appreciable kinks in the gathering of the anointed Body of Christ, you say. When you observe the Memorial, why is it that all JWs attend? The only ones gathered for the last supper with Christ were God's chosen ones to be the foundation of the Temple/Body of Christ. If all believers in Christ were to be there, Jesus would have performed a miracle to feed every one of them. Instead, scattered among all "nations", the remnant of "living stones" of God's Temple must observe a meal signifying the New Covenant with God's priesthood, with "Gentile elders" handing them the emblems. Here's a question. Is this scriptural?

Wasn't it Terrence O'Brien during the Australian Royal Commission, who said something to the effect, "we (those at the Branch) have been doing this a lot longer than the governing body has..." If God puts it in their hearts, it will be done. With God, all things are possible. Matt 19:26

If the Body of Christ is united and, in your estimation, it is only the eight that have gone renegade, disfellowship them already and be done with it! They will be removed by the organization. But, there's more to it than simply disfellowshipping them, as if that will repair the organization. God chose His priesthood in the anointed since Jesus walked the earth. Matt 16:18; John 15:16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 Within the last century, men have gradually dismissed their role as His priests, by setting a new (“new” since the organization’s inception) “uncircumcised” priesthood called the elder body to “minister” in their place. (Rom 2:28,29); Dan 8:13;9:27;12:11; Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2 The elders have gained authority over God’s chosen priesthood at the direction of head anointed ones who have left their covenant with God. The elder body are believed to be divinely chosen by God to direct the organization, even though God chose his priesthood through an anointing. During all of this, the term “spirit-directed” is applied by Watchtower’s leaders, to the image of the organization. Although the GB admit to not being “inspired” themselves, through their proclamation of this, they have sanctioned divinity, or given “breath”/spirit to the organization. Uninspired men direct an “inspired” organization, as they would have you believe. Two major entities co-rule the organization; the GB who are spiritual “Jews”/”Israel” (Rom 9:6-8) and the elder body who are spiritual “Gentiles” not anointed. Scattered among all “nations” within the congregations are anointed ones. (Ezek 28:25) The organization is a fortress ruled primarily by “Gentiles”. It calls itself a “mountainlike organization” - “Zion”. It claims to be an eternal standing fortress of strength. However, is the Kingdom comprised of spiritual “Israel”, Christ’s kings; or “Gentile” rulers? How can Zion incorporate those who are not anointed? Heb 12:22;Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; Rev 14:1 Interestingly, it also compares itself to Moses’ day and the early nation of Israel. But, if one looks at how God directed His people then, it was through His chosen priesthood; and the pattern followed was the heavenly pattern shown him. Heb 7:11,12;8:1,2,5-10; 9:11; 2 Cor 5:17 When Korah challenged God’s direction through Moses and Aaron, he and his companions lost their lives for attempting to usurp the authority already in place by God. Numbers 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40 Of course, the Watchtower changes the meaning of this event by pointing to Korah’s example to bolster a counterfeit priesthood that JWs are to obey. JWs are admonished, “do not be like Korah” (Jude 1:11); but Jude was writing to the anointed ones when speaking of apostate “dreamers” who reject GOD’s authority. To give credence to their own “uncircumcised” elders in power, they state: Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. (Hebrews 13:7, 17) How can that be? 19. In what way are elders appointed by holy spirit? 19 These older men meet the requirements that are set out in God’s Word, which is a product of God’s spirit. (1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9) Hence, their appointment can be said to be by holy spirit. (Acts 20:28) So, God appoints the elders via the Bible, simply because God’s Word is inspired? What a hypocritical usage of God’s Word; especially in the light of decades of hidden child abuse where elders are directly responsible for allowing it to happen. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! w02 8/1 p. 13-14 Through this statement, unyielding power over God’s own appointed priesthood (and ALL JWS) is blatantly obvious. If someone threatens you in another circumstance by saying, “don’t challenge my authority”, wouldn’t you agree that it appears as an abuse of power and a trampling down of your own ability to discern your personal relationship with God? Yet, this is how the “Man of Lawlessness”/elder body “tramples” down the anointed priesthood/Temple. Dan 8:10,11; 2 Thess 2:3,4 Even among these chosen ones, kingly/priestly authority is earned through their righteous deeds and actions, because they are serving the overall vision of God as His servants, just as anyone’s actions should be recognized as approved by God and Jesus Christ – not by men. Matt 25:19-23; Phil 2:12 Elders, on the other hand, are christened by an earthly organization and its leaders through cherry-picking scriptures from the Bible; and as a result use their “position” to lord it over over the congregations. Luke 22:24-27 They are not slaves for God, but pawns of an early corporation; and with all JWs, they are slaves to an idol that appears to be “spirit-breathed” by God. Isa 40:25; 45:20-22; Rev 13:2,15 A combination of dual authority come against the anointed ones in the last days. One is “from the sea”, the abyss, a fabrication from Satan’s domain with a progressive rulership he has installed. Rev 13:1,2; Isa 57:20 It is his creation that “overcomes” the anointed ones. It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling—those who dwell in heaven. 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. Rev 13:6,7 Knowing that our “war” is against “the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this darkness, against evil, spiritual forces in the heavens” (Eph 6:12)… …and the weapons used are not literal weapons of the world but they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 Cor 10:3-5) …here is an example of the opposing side of this war of truth against lies regarding the anointed ones: “So anointed ones do not think that they are better than others. They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else.” WT 16/1 p. 22, par 6 What is the scriptural basis for this statement? They didn’t provide any. It is the opinion of a “wicked slave”. Matt 24:48-51 In other words, the anointed are to keep quiet and dismiss the laws written on their heart through the “pouring out” of Holy Spirit during an anointing; (Heb 8:10; Eph 1:7-10; 1 John 2:27), to be used for teaching the people (Mal 2:7), and be fearful that “Gentiles” will disfellowship them if they use scriptures to contradict the blasphemous declaration above. Does this sound like something God would tell His anointed ones? Can you imagine Him telling a Temple priest, “Listen, obey and you will be blessed because you submitted to the authority of those unanointed elders”? No! He said,“This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!” Matt 17:5 He would also say to His Temple (1 Cor 3:16,17): ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Enough of your detestable practices, people of Israel! 7 In addition to all your other detestable practices, you brought foreigners uncircumcised in heart and flesh into my sanctuary, desecrating my temple while you offered me food, fat and blood, and you broke my covenant. 8 Instead of carrying out your duty in regard to my holy things, you put others in charge of my sanctuary. 9 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites. The elders have indeed “entered” God’s sanctuary by exploiting the minds of the Temple priesthood with a Harlot’s lies that they support. Can you see that Watchtower’s quote is mocking God by saying an anointing into a priesthood under Jesus Christ, our High Priest really means nothing? Truly, the organization and its leaders use the effects of psychological entrapment to a theory; no, a delusion, to keep its members in place through obedience to men. 2 Thess 2:9-12; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10 And that by remaining in the organization, one will receive eternal life, as long as one listens and obeys what is really, a lie. This statement plays on the quality of humility that God’s people should possess, but as Paul said, Who are you to judge another’s household servant? Before his own Lord he stands or falls. And he will stand, because the Lord is able to make him stand. Rom 14:4 Disfellowshipping is a judgment of “death”. Any judgment concerning life or death, should only come directly from Jesus Christ. The second power in place that works in tandem with the “Beast from the sea” is from the “earth”, meaning from God’s anointed people, who are His dwelling. Isa 60:13; 66:1; Jer 25:29,30,35,36; 23:1-8 It is the “false prophet” that breathes spirit into the image or concept of the Beast, that rules over God’s anointed ones. Rev 13:11 “It was permitted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.” Rev 13:15 w63 7/1 p. 410-411 What kind of offenses are regarded as disfellowshiping offenses? These include persistence in sexual offenses, stealing, lying, dishonest business practices, rebellion against Jehovah’s organization, slandering, drunkenness, apostasy, teaching of false doctrine and other wrongs. Revelation concerns God’s appointed/anointed priests who are under the heavy-handed rule of “Gentiles” and fallen anointed ones directing this blasphemy. I know it may sound hard to believe, but remember, Satan is the Master of deceit and lies. He uses the gifts of power, authority and riches to persuade people to do his bidding, which is to destroy as many as he can, especially those who are to rule with Christ in the Kingdom. He offered Christ the same gifts in the wilderness. Luke 4:7 False prophets appear as ministers of light” which aid Satan to formulate his end time deception to come against the remnant during the last days. Matt 7:15-20; 2 Cor 11:3,4, 13-15; 2 Thess 9:3,4;9-12; Rev 12:3,4,15,17 The “war” that rages now, is between the “kings of the earth”, the anointed who battle using either truth or lies. (Rev 1:5) It is a LIE that the priesthood must submit to “Gentile” rule. 2 Chron 23:6,7 It is a LIE that the GB should be the sole source of spiritual “food” and can easily dismiss those who reject this doctrine. Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:14-17 It is a LIE that the organization is Zion and a spiritual “temple”, when God’s Temple are His “living stones” of Christ’s Body. Matt 16:18; John 2:19-21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 Fast forward to who will disfellowship the Governing Body. It will be the organization itself. The Beast from the Sea has ten horns and seven heads. Rev 13:1; (Rev 12:3) Dan 7:23 All of these symbolize ruling authorities over time. In order to accomplish removing the GB, “ten horns” (horns are kings) are anointed who “have not received a kingdom” by being sealed in “heaven”, and who give their authority over to the Beast. “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they will receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.” Rev 17:12,13 Insurrection within the Watchtower organization will occur. If these scriptures applied to the UN and “Christendom”, has Christendom “given breath” to the UN? Is it “spirit-directed”? Rev 13:15 Do people “worship”/revere the UN? Rev 13:4 Do people laud the UN worldwide by saying, “Who is like the UN? Who can wage war with it?” Rev 13:4 No, this is said by the organization’s leaders concerning their fortress. Dan 11:38 Most importantly, has the UN spiritually conquered the anointed “saints”? Dan 7:21; Rev 13:7; Rev 11:7 Has it deceived the anointed and “gathered them together” in one place? Luke 19:43; 21:20; Rev 20:7-9 If the “King of the North” was Russia, why is it that the anointed in other parts of the world are not affected by that power? God’s chosen people are already at risk of losing their “crown” of life, as are all JWs, by submitting to the “Gentile” elder body/Man of Lawlessness and the Harlot/GB’s lies. Rev 3:11; James 1:12 “The ten horns you saw, and the beast, will hate the prostitute. (the false prophet of Rev 13:11) They will make her desolate and naked, devour her flesh, and burn her up with fire.17 For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his plan by having one purpose and to give their kingdom to the beast until the words of God are fulfilled.” Rev 17:16,17 As time has passed, the GB have made their way into the limelight. Their actions are become very transparent on many fronts and more times than not, in an unsavory light. Already, many people have left the organization, simply because of their rule. Can you see how God could easily direct the organization to disfellowship them, by bringing more issues to light that will facilitate the necessary removal of their position, in order to save the image of the organization? 2 Pet 3:10; Luke 8:17 What needs to be kept in mind, is that both the Beast from the Sea and the “false prophet”/Harlot/Beast from the Earth, are thrown into the “Lake of Fire” with Satan, at the culmination of Armageddon. Rev 19:20; 20:10,14

Whoops. You said once, "who is this Allen Smith?" I never complained about you to the Librarian, Allen, although I know you most likely turned me in for something. And....this is extremely off topic.

I will ask you this first. In the organization, IS the anointed Body of Christ united under the Watchtower’s regulations? Watchtower 16/1 pg 24: In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity. So, no, they are not unified. Who stands in their way? Who makes sure they don’t become unified?

Good way to put it. Thanks.

JWs tend to strive to become "star pupils" of 8 men who have gained control over "Bible teachings", a term you have used. They have gained control over all JWs as their head; yet, only Jesus is our Head. I would hope each JW would become a star pupil of Jesus Christ. Matt 20:25-28; 1 Cor 1:12,13 If that was the truly the desire of a JW, it would not be long before one would realize that the "turf" he or she was once defending was based on the teachings of men other than the teachings of Christ. Under those circumstances, one becomes a defender of truth in Jesus Christ.

I can’t located it now, but you had singled me out as one who posts disgusting slanderous videos full of lies targeting the organization; which, if you don’t listen to any of them makes me wonder how you come to that conclusion. You seem to mention me frequently in your sarcastic ramblings and sadly, I fell into the same game by attaching your name to the initial post under this thread. For that, I am disappointed in myself.

"On Sunday, March 31, Anthony Morris, a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, was filmed at Bottle King, a discount booze store in Ramsey, NJ, buying 12 bottles of very expensive single malt. My “Bottlegate” video sharing the footage has since accumulated tens of thousands of views, with many saying the incident represents an act of hypocrisy from a man famous for his somewhat judgmental approach to morality and Christian living. The team discusses the permutations of the remarkable footage, and the widely known culture of drinking at bethel." This video expresses the opinions of a past member of Bethel in Australia, and those of his wife, also Mark O'Donnell whose story under the article " A Secret Database of Child Abuse" was posted in The Atlantic, and "Covert Fade", author at JWsurvey. From the comments I have seen here, JWs are measuring Anthony Morris' actions by worldly standards; yet, for someone who claims to be "faithful and discreet", worldly standards do not apply. "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:20

Since there are no quotation marks around the word Witness, and my attention wasn't drawn to your comment with "@Witness", which JW are you referring to?

Then there were two buyers in the store with carts of MaCallan whiskey at the same time. The cart near Tony Morris lost its original owner. Tony Morris wandered away from his cart left in another aisle. I suppose anything is possible. I think the best way to settle it, is for you to make a comment under Lloyd's video and ask him to email the man who filmed Mr. Morris, with the questions you are asking.

2016: Watchtower’s “God’s Word For Us Through Jeremiah pg 178–180: “A significant aspect of the new covenant is this: “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, . . . And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all of them know me.” (Jer. 31:33, 34) The anointed on earth today have shown that they have God’s law within them. They love the truths found in it, rather than relying on the teachings of any human.” How have they shown God’s laws are written on their heart? Are they able to teach JWs these laws? Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9 Is it true they do not rely on the teachings of humans? Aren’t the GB members the only source of spiritual food; which consists of decrees, traditions, doctrine and prophesy that have been found to be in error and needing constant change? Deut 18:19-22; John 6:27; Isa 29:13; Mark 7:9-13; Col 2:20-22 Is it possible to follow both God’s laws fulfilled in Christ, and the laws of men who have singled themselves out as “faithful and discreet”, before Jesus has returned? Matt 25:20-23 Consider this decree or “law” written by the governing body: “Elders, you can learn some helpful lessons from what we have just discussed: (1) The best thing you can do to prepare for the future attack of “the Assyrian” is to strengthen your faith in God and help your brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, you must be completely convinced that Jehovah will save us. (3) At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey ANY instructions we may receive, WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT, because obeying these instructions will save our lives. (4) If any are putting their trust in the education of this world, material things, or HUMAN ORGANIZATIONS, THEY MUST CHANGE THEIR WAY OF THINKING NOW. You must be ready to help any who may not be putting their complete trust in Jehovah. WT13 11/15 p. 20 Firstly, any organization that operates in this world is a “human organization”, no matter what it is called. It uses all means of survival as any other organization does; material things, investments, donations, and relies on building expansion to aid growth in numbers. The elder body is comprised mainly of men not anointed. If men expect obedience to a human organization’s regulations, this means, JWs… YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR WAY OF THINKING…NOW! Isn’t this what the governing body admonishes? WT 90/11/1 p. 26 – “We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry – be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization.” Do YOU truly believe that the Watchtower, a human run organization, will lead you to salvation? If so, you are committing idolatry. Secondly, God’s laws are placed on the heart of an anointed one by Holy Spirit at the time of an anointing. Rom 2:28,29; 2 Cor 1:21,22 These decrees provide life and insight in what God deems is right or wrong in order for us to gain life. Ps 119:33-37,105,113-115 It is God’s symbolic “mark” that directs one’s thinking and actions. Deut 11:18 - “Imprint these words of mine on your hearts and minds, bind them as a sign on your hands, and let them be a symbol on your foreheads. Hebrews 8:10 - For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. The sacred service of the priesthood was to minister in the temple. Exod 28:1; Num 18:5-7 They were required to teach the nation of Israel God’s law and decrees, bringing His blessings on them throughout their lives. Num 6:22-27; Deut 33:10 Under the New Covenant in Christ, they are the Temple, with His laws written on their hearts for a reason; again, to carefully teach the people God’s laws; His Word in Christ. 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Cor 3:3; Heb 8:8-10; 1:14; 1 Tim 4:16 However, who do both JWs and the anointed priesthood listen to and obey in the organization? If an elder tells God’s priests to obey instructions that conflict with their understanding of God’s laws, what then? He or she faces the grave decision to serve God and Christ, or continue in the twisted teachings of men. For those whose decision it is to serve only the Father and His Son, the “Beast”/organization/WATCHTOWER, judges them as spiritually “dead”. They are “killed”, disfellowshipped, for their testimony of Christ. Rev 13:1,4, 6,7,11,15; John 16:2; Rev 11:7; 12:11 Pearl Doxsey writes in “He Who Seeks to Save His Life Will Lose it” - “Please meditate on Christ and God's words, about the reality and necessity of our sacrifice: [John12:24-25; Rev.6:9,11; (Eze.33:6; Rev.19:15); Phil.3:10; Rom.6:5; 8:17; (Matt.16:24; Gal.3:13; Heb.13:13); Mark 8:35]. Of course we know that thus far, this death today, is not literal. If we shrink back (Heb.10:38) from declaring truth and the "death" which naturally MUST follow (Rev.13:15); what are we gaining? (Matt.16:25-27; Mark 8:36-38). If we belong to Christ, we will confess his saving truths before men, and die for it (Luke 22:28; Rev.14:4-5; 1Pet.2:21). If we remain silent, then we are still in subjection to the law of the Beast... which decrees and enforces, that no doctrine but the Beast's, may be exchanged (Rev.13:16-17) If we cower before that law, we disobey Christ's counsel (Rev.3:18;Matt.25:14; 13:52; 25:25,28,30; 2Tim.1:7-8; 2Cor.4:1-2; 10:5; Eph.4:25; Matt.5:14) AND ARE STILL MARKED BY THE LAWS OF THE BEAST. Can you see, JWs, that our lives are saved by following only God’s laws in Christ, not by some instruction that is strange, unusual, unsound or irrational? Matt 7:24,25; John 8:31;14:23; Col 2:20-23; 2 Tim 1:13; 4:3,4; 2 Thess 2:9-12 Thirdly, who is today’s “Assyrian” whose attack the governing body has you bracing for? In irony and deceit, Satan has disguised his “northern” army that attacks God’s chosen people, as the Body of Elders who constitute “Jehovah’s organization”; yes, which operates as any other organization operates in this world - by humans. Under the guidance and rulership of the GB and elders, Revelation’s “Beast”/organization has the intent of conforming and marking all of you as its slaves, both spiritually and physically. 2 Cor 11:3,4,20; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10 The teachings of men who expect total obedience to “strange and unusual doctrine”, cannot sanctify you, and most definitely will rob you of eternal life. “Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” Rom 6:16 By being a slave to sin, one is a slave to “lawlessness”. 2 Thess 2:3 – “Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction”. Rev 13:15 – “This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the BEAST, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.” 17 “But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart (Deut.6:6; Heb.10:16) the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.” Rom 6:17,17 Dear JWs, what does it take to wake you up and free yourselves from the law of the Beast? Will you turn to Christ, who speaks the laws of God? Will you leave idolatry behind? When the Watchtower quotes such as those stated above are placed side by side, there is no possibility of linking two totally opposing thoughts, into harmonious truth. Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot “666/144,000” “The Mark of Slavery”

Somehow these two quotes must have a connection.

Frustrating at times, but more despairing than frustrating. You do know what "sackcloth" is, don't you? Rev 11:1-3