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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    "What Type of Evidence Can Create A Consciousness of Guilt Argument?
    Consciousness of guilt is the inference that the defendant knows that he is guilty of a crime because he has taken one or more of the following actions after it. These actions include:
    Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction,
    False alibies,
    Changing or altering personal appearance, (Matt 7:15; 24:24; Acts 20:29; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Rev 13:11)
    Hiding or destroying evidence,
    Bribing a witness,
    Intimidating a witness or even killing a witness."
    http://gambonelaw.com/what-is-consciousness-of-guilt-and-why-its-a-problem/
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Perhaps, it is "another spirit" that they are perceiving as "holy".   (1Tim 4:10)  They are so blind.  
     
    It is true that the Greek scriptures are for the anointed to learn from; and for all of us who believe in the scriptures, they are also about the anointed. They describe how this new form of worship “in spirit and truth” will be manifested in the Kingdom to come.  (John 4:21-24; Rev 21:3,4,20-24; 22:1-3) (Matt 7:15-20)
    Jesus’ teachings were revolutionary to a basically stubborn people.  He invited all to believe in him. Whether we are called and found faithful to be part of the new “temple” arrangement, or “called” to receive the understanding of his teachings, and how the completed Temple will arise, Jesus promised that all obedient and faithful believers would receive eternal life. (Luke 11:28; John 8:31; 1 Thess 2:13; Acts 16:31)
     We see the transition that the apostles had to make from the law covenant, to its fulfillment in Christ’s coming.  Paul received visions of the Kingdom to come, and I have always wondered what all it was that he saw. (2 Cor 12:2-4) Also, I have wondered what “books” could be written containing Jesus’ acts while on the earth. (John 21:25)  There’s so much for us to find out in the Kingdom. 
    I never learned the full truth about the Body of Christ in the organization, or what Zech 4 meant when it says the “capstone” will complete God’s spiritual dwelling. (Rom 8:19-22; Zech 4:3-7,14; Rev 11:3,4; 7:13-15) There is little to nothing on the JW site about the capstone ("top stone") relating to the appearance of the “two witnesses” preaching in sackcloth. This is the hiding of truth.  The anointed in the last days, fall into deceptive captivity (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) whereas those sealed ones previous to their appearance, never succumbed or were never held captive, to false worship.  They were not deceived by harlots, and remained spiritual “virgins”. (Rev 20:4; 14:4)   But as we see, the anointed remnant does fall victim to deception and lies, and leave off worshipping God with their who soul, heart and mind.(Rev 13:4,11,12; 17:1) Their allegiance is to a “Beast” that makes war with them and conquers them. (Rev 13: 7)  It blasphemes the “tabernacle” of God. (Rev 13:5,6)  The false prophet that directs it, authorizes this “different” beast to “kill”  those who reject its identity. (Dan 7:23; Rev 13:14,15)
     Anyone with open eyes would see that the organization blasphemes, or simply “insults” the anointed with its regulations against their joining together, and against acting as God’s priests, now. How is it, that the “priestly” GB are allowed to act as priests, while all other anointed cannot?  (1 Pet 2:5,9)  Their deceiving tale follows up with soothing lies about the anointed residing in spiritual security as long as they remain faithul to Jehovah('s organization). 
    It’s absolutely ludicrous, but it sells!  It is accepted that “Jehovah’s organization” knows what’s best for them. (Lam 4:18; Rev 9:3,4)  But, this is how they are trampled as prophesied; and as your comment reveals, it’s clearly happening in the organization.  They have been subdued by the “man of lawlessness” elder body standing/sitting/ruling over the Temple dwelling of God.  (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    Yet now, I can almost envision the GB using the events in Russia and elsewhere, as fulfilled signs of the “man of lawlessness”/Beast (Rev 13:1) (“the coalition of nations”) trampling their temple – the idol called “Jehovah’s organization”.  Another possible distracting lie.
    In order to be found acceptable before God, the anointed must turn back to Jesus Christ, their Head. (Rev 2:4,5; 3:17-19) They must have their “robes washed in the blood of the Lamb”. (Rev 5:9,10; 22:14)  No one - not the GB, not the elder body -  has received authority from God to expect obedience to their direction, except His Son and the Head of the Body.  (Eph 1:22)  No JW should be kissing the feet of the organization’s leadership.  But they do, which is no different than Catholics fawning over the pope and his hierarchy. 
    Mr. Rouse, Legal Representative for the Watchtower:
     “I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t be here, but this is one of our 13,000 congregations in the United States. We are a hierarchal religion structured just like the Catholic Church. And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest — in the parish.”
     STRUCTURED ("designed, assembled, arranged") JUST LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!  
    Does this mean that God borrowed Satan’s organizational skills to create His organization?  Or rather, did Satan borrow his tried and true idea from another religious deception to create a new one, his masterpiece of deceit, this time against the anointed? (Rev 12:4)
    The GB are the ‘greatest showmen on earth’.  (Matt 7:15; 2 Pet 2;1; 2 Cor 11:13-15) They and their predecessors have been involved in the most deceptive, demonic, theatrical, “showmanship” against God’s holy people…ever. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-10)  How else could they tell such whoppers and get away with it? (1 Tim 4:1)  And look at how many tickets they have been successful at selling.
     It is not for nothing that the “preaching work” all of these years, was spent “house to house”, finding and searching out the anointed to be tested and sifted by Satan. (Luke 22:31)  Jesus admonished HIS disciples, NOT to go “house to house”.  (Luke 10:7)  So, whose disciples do JWs belong to?  (Matt 2:7,8,13,14; Rev 17:6) 
     The Sign of the End
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Perhaps, it is "another spirit" that they are perceiving as "holy".   (1Tim 4:10)  They are so blind.  
     
    It is true that the Greek scriptures are for the anointed to learn from; and for all of us who believe in the scriptures, they are also about the anointed. They describe how this new form of worship “in spirit and truth” will be manifested in the Kingdom to come.  (John 4:21-24; Rev 21:3,4,20-24; 22:1-3) (Matt 7:15-20)
    Jesus’ teachings were revolutionary to a basically stubborn people.  He invited all to believe in him. Whether we are called and found faithful to be part of the new “temple” arrangement, or “called” to receive the understanding of his teachings, and how the completed Temple will arise, Jesus promised that all obedient and faithful believers would receive eternal life. (Luke 11:28; John 8:31; 1 Thess 2:13; Acts 16:31)
     We see the transition that the apostles had to make from the law covenant, to its fulfillment in Christ’s coming.  Paul received visions of the Kingdom to come, and I have always wondered what all it was that he saw. (2 Cor 12:2-4) Also, I have wondered what “books” could be written containing Jesus’ acts while on the earth. (John 21:25)  There’s so much for us to find out in the Kingdom. 
    I never learned the full truth about the Body of Christ in the organization, or what Zech 4 meant when it says the “capstone” will complete God’s spiritual dwelling. (Rom 8:19-22; Zech 4:3-7,14; Rev 11:3,4; 7:13-15) There is little to nothing on the JW site about the capstone ("top stone") relating to the appearance of the “two witnesses” preaching in sackcloth. This is the hiding of truth.  The anointed in the last days, fall into deceptive captivity (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) whereas those sealed ones previous to their appearance, never succumbed or were never held captive, to false worship.  They were not deceived by harlots, and remained spiritual “virgins”. (Rev 20:4; 14:4)   But as we see, the anointed remnant does fall victim to deception and lies, and leave off worshipping God with their who soul, heart and mind.(Rev 13:4,11,12; 17:1) Their allegiance is to a “Beast” that makes war with them and conquers them. (Rev 13: 7)  It blasphemes the “tabernacle” of God. (Rev 13:5,6)  The false prophet that directs it, authorizes this “different” beast to “kill”  those who reject its identity. (Dan 7:23; Rev 13:14,15)
     Anyone with open eyes would see that the organization blasphemes, or simply “insults” the anointed with its regulations against their joining together, and against acting as God’s priests, now. How is it, that the “priestly” GB are allowed to act as priests, while all other anointed cannot?  (1 Pet 2:5,9)  Their deceiving tale follows up with soothing lies about the anointed residing in spiritual security as long as they remain faithul to Jehovah('s organization). 
    It’s absolutely ludicrous, but it sells!  It is accepted that “Jehovah’s organization” knows what’s best for them. (Lam 4:18; Rev 9:3,4)  But, this is how they are trampled as prophesied; and as your comment reveals, it’s clearly happening in the organization.  They have been subdued by the “man of lawlessness” elder body standing/sitting/ruling over the Temple dwelling of God.  (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    Yet now, I can almost envision the GB using the events in Russia and elsewhere, as fulfilled signs of the “man of lawlessness”/Beast (Rev 13:1) (“the coalition of nations”) trampling their temple – the idol called “Jehovah’s organization”.  Another possible distracting lie.
    In order to be found acceptable before God, the anointed must turn back to Jesus Christ, their Head. (Rev 2:4,5; 3:17-19) They must have their “robes washed in the blood of the Lamb”. (Rev 5:9,10; 22:14)  No one - not the GB, not the elder body -  has received authority from God to expect obedience to their direction, except His Son and the Head of the Body.  (Eph 1:22)  No JW should be kissing the feet of the organization’s leadership.  But they do, which is no different than Catholics fawning over the pope and his hierarchy. 
    Mr. Rouse, Legal Representative for the Watchtower:
     “I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t be here, but this is one of our 13,000 congregations in the United States. We are a hierarchal religion structured just like the Catholic Church. And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest — in the parish.”
     STRUCTURED ("designed, assembled, arranged") JUST LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!  
    Does this mean that God borrowed Satan’s organizational skills to create His organization?  Or rather, did Satan borrow his tried and true idea from another religious deception to create a new one, his masterpiece of deceit, this time against the anointed? (Rev 12:4)
    The GB are the ‘greatest showmen on earth’.  (Matt 7:15; 2 Pet 2;1; 2 Cor 11:13-15) They and their predecessors have been involved in the most deceptive, demonic, theatrical, “showmanship” against God’s holy people…ever. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-10)  How else could they tell such whoppers and get away with it? (1 Tim 4:1)  And look at how many tickets they have been successful at selling.
     It is not for nothing that the “preaching work” all of these years, was spent “house to house”, finding and searching out the anointed to be tested and sifted by Satan. (Luke 22:31)  Jesus admonished HIS disciples, NOT to go “house to house”.  (Luke 10:7)  So, whose disciples do JWs belong to?  (Matt 2:7,8,13,14; Rev 17:6) 
     The Sign of the End
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Now if you have been kind enough to read my main comment above, please consider this.
    From the GB as written in a Watchtower 
     Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of an exclusive club. They do not search out other anointed ones, hoping to discuss their anointing with them or to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) The congregation would not be united if anointed ones did those things. They would be working against the holy spirit, which helps God’s people to have peace and unity.
    The GB say that the True Anointed would be 'working against the holy spirit,   What gives the GB the right to say such things ? 
    Jesus said to His disciples, who were of the anointed,  (recorded at Matthew 18 v 19 & 20 )
    Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. 20  For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
    How can these ones of the anointed 'agree' on anything if they do not communicate with each other ?
    How can Jesus be in the midst of two or three of the anointed, if they do not gather together. 
    So tell me, who is working against the Holy spirit ? 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    The more I read the Greek scriptures, the more it is made clear to me that they are written for the True anointed Ones. 
    Romans 1 v 7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones
    1 Corinthians 1 v 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones,
    2 Corinthians 1 v 1  to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, including all the holy ones who are in all A·chaʹia:
    Ephesians 1 v 1  Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, to the holy ones who are in Ephʹe·susa and are faithful in union with Christ Jesus:
    Philippians 1 v 1 Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ Jesus, to all the holy ones in union with Christ Jesus who are in Phi·lipʹpi,a along with overseers and ministerial servants
    Colossians 1 v 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, and Timothy our brother, to the holy ones and faithful brothers in union with Christ at Co·losʹsae
    1 Thessalonians 1 v 1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus,*a and Timothy,b to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    2 Thessalonians 1 v 1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus, and Timothy,a to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    Note in Colossians 1 v 18, ( it is talking about Jesus and it says ) and he is the head of the body, the congregation.
    It is saying that the congregation is the Body of Christ. The Anointed.
    Verse 24 confirms this. .... in behalf of his body, which is the congregation.
    Verse 27  confirms that this was written for the True Anointed ones. 
    to whom God has been pleased to make known among the nations the glorious riches of this sacred secret, which is Christ in union with you, the hope of his glory.
    Colossians 3 v 4 When the Christ, our life,e is made manifest, then you also will be made manifest with him in glory.
    3 v 12 Accordingly, as God’s chosen ones
    At Thessalonians 1 v 1 to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    Note the congregation in union with God and Christ. ONLY the Anointed are IN UNION with God and Christ. 
    The Congregation as referred to in the Greek Scriptures are the Anointed ones. 
    The Holy Ones in the Greek Scriptures are the Anointed ones. 
    Revelation 5 v 9 & 10 proves to us that Christ died for the Anointed ones.
    “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue* and people and nation, 10  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
    God's nations was once physical, but now it is Spiritual Israel. God's Congregation is God's Holy Ones, God's True Anointed Ones. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "NUMBERS DON'T LIE, BUT YOU CAN LIE WITH NUMBERS"   
    I watched that this morning. Very good presentation about "hours" and statistic on preaching service, categorization.
    In my "last days of last days" period of my living JWorg i internationally put 30 minutes on report paper. Elder called me and say that i have to write new report because this i gave is not acceptable. Something like, give report next month on which i can put 30 minutes from this report. I reminded him how it is acceptable to put 15 minutes on report if you don't have more hours/time. Than he said that i have not permission from Elders for doing so. Or course, that was my last report :))
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in JW 2020 YEAR TEXT, AN INSULT TO GOD AND CHRIST   
    I thought the same thing when I read the year text.   They are baptized in the name of an organization - in the name of an idol. 
    Why do JWs say they follow scripture when it is evident that they follow the doctrine of men instead?  And why, do they make excuses for their doctrines?  
    So he said to them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written,
    ‘This people honors me with their lips,
        but their heart is far, far away from me.
    7 And they worship me in vain,
        teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
    8 Abandoning the commandment of God, you hold fast to the tradition of men.”
    9 And he said to them, “You splendidly ignore the commandment of God so that you can keep your tradition. "  Mark 7:6-9
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "NUMBERS DON'T LIE, BUT YOU CAN LIE WITH NUMBERS"   
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JW 2020 YEAR TEXT, AN INSULT TO GOD AND CHRIST   
    OUR YEARTEXT FOR 2020: “Go, therefore, and make disciples . . . , baptizing them.”—MATT. 28:19.
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2020/go-therefore-and-make-disciples/
    3. Jesus said: “Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, . . . teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.”
    True to Jesus’ words, today the disciple-making work is in full swing. Think of it! Nearly 300,000 people each year get baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses and become disciples of Jesus Christ!
    21 During 2020, our yeartext will help us to focus on improving the quality of our disciple-making work. It features some of the words Jesus spoke during that momentous meeting on a mountain in Galilee: “Go, therefore, and make disciples . . . , baptizing them.”—Matt. 28:19.
    What a complete insult to Almighty God and Jesus Christ. Why ? Because of chopping out half of the True Scripture to suit their own greedy selfish purposes. Read above, they "get baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses " 
    Matthew 28 v 18 - 20 
     Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19  Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20  teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
    Anyone that cannot see the difference between the two baptisms must be deliberately blind.
    And, I have also noticed that only the NWT writers have chosen to write Holy Spirit with lower case first letters. Other translations give those words proper respect.  Just three examples. 
    Berean Study Bible
    Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
    New American Standard Bible
    "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
    New King James Version
    Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    Choose for yourself whom you will serve, either serve the GB/Watchtower/JW Org, or, serve Almighty God through Jesus Christ. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Am I wrong in calling your leaders, "watchmen"?
    After the Kingdom was established, Jesus appointed a small group of men to serve as the faithful slave. (Matt. 24:45-47) Since then, the faithful slave, now known as the Governing Body, has done the work of a watchman. It takes the lead not only in warning of “the day of vengeance” but also in proclaiming “the year of Jehovah’s goodwill.”—Isa. 61:2; see also 2 Corinthians 6:1, 2. Pure Worship p. 127-128
    Again, WHO has appointed your watchmen?  
    "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."  Deut 18:20-22
    Scripturally, anyone has the right to reject your watchmen, since they have proven themselves  as not appointed by God.  We are not to be afraid of them.  For the GB to disfellowship someone for following scripture, shows that they are spiritually immoral harlots.  
    Rev 13:11,12; 17:1,2
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Oh right.  The barking dog scenario.  In other words, when God appoints a watchman, that one is bound to make mistake after mistake after mistake...when sounding the alarm.  And God and Jesus overlook the mistakes, simply because you believe the organization continues to be guided by God.
    But that's not how God's word describes a watchman appointed by Him.
    "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and you must give them warning from Me."   Ezek 3:17
    "If the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?" (1Cor.14:8)
    None of the Armageddon calls by the organization proved to be...
    A clear call
    From God
    WHO has appointed your watchmen?  It wasn't God.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Am I wrong in calling your leaders, "watchmen"?
    After the Kingdom was established, Jesus appointed a small group of men to serve as the faithful slave. (Matt. 24:45-47) Since then, the faithful slave, now known as the Governing Body, has done the work of a watchman. It takes the lead not only in warning of “the day of vengeance” but also in proclaiming “the year of Jehovah’s goodwill.”—Isa. 61:2; see also 2 Corinthians 6:1, 2. Pure Worship p. 127-128
    Again, WHO has appointed your watchmen?  
    "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."  Deut 18:20-22
    Scripturally, anyone has the right to reject your watchmen, since they have proven themselves  as not appointed by God.  We are not to be afraid of them.  For the GB to disfellowship someone for following scripture, shows that they are spiritually immoral harlots.  
    Rev 13:11,12; 17:1,2
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Oh right.  The barking dog scenario.  In other words, when God appoints a watchman, that one is bound to make mistake after mistake after mistake...when sounding the alarm.  And God and Jesus overlook the mistakes, simply because you believe the organization continues to be guided by God.
    But that's not how God's word describes a watchman appointed by Him.
    "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and you must give them warning from Me."   Ezek 3:17
    "If the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?" (1Cor.14:8)
    None of the Armageddon calls by the organization proved to be...
    A clear call
    From God
    WHO has appointed your watchmen?  It wasn't God.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    That’s it!  That is the game played since beginning and what attracted the anointed and millions of others, from day one, until now. (Matt 24:4-6; Luke 21:8,9)  All of the signs were and still are, taken literally; and Armageddon was and still is, taught to begin at any moment.  So the organization became the only source of security, the only source of spiritual peace. (Ezek 13:8-12; 1 Thess 5:3) It is pounded into the minds of its members that everyone on the outside of the mountain-like organization, will die.  Most definitely, this is the use of evil cult-like tactics. 
    All who put faith in the organization, are putting faith in a repetitive broken record of lies. But JWs willingly “move ahead” with the organization no matter what suffering it has committed to its members, and what gross lies of promise it has made.   Gosh, what an incredible act of idolatry which has entrapped all of the anointed remnant over the last hundred years. (1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  The apprehension of displeasing God is magnified, through displeasing the organization.
    “If we object to something done by the body of elders or criticize the way some matter is handled,     we are being disloyal to Jehovah’s organization.”   w74 7/1 pp. 407-413
    “How can we aid our brothers in prayer?  As we approach the universal war of Armageddon it is vital to stay close to Jehovah’s mighty organization.”  w72 6/1 pp. 328-333
    Stay close, stay loyal, stay faithful…to the Father and Jesus?  No! to the organization…that claims to have brought God’s people out of spiritual “Egypt”/Babylon.  
     “So we need to abandon the “present wicked system of things,” the antitypical “Pharaoh the king of Egypt and . . . his crowd.” We need to put ourselves on the side of Jehovah’s organization.”  w77 5/15 p. 313-314
     
    Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
     2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
    Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”  Exod 32:1-4
     
    http://armageddon-obadiah.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    That’s it!  That is the game played since beginning and what attracted the anointed and millions of others, from day one, until now. (Matt 24:4-6; Luke 21:8,9)  All of the signs were and still are, taken literally; and Armageddon was and still is, taught to begin at any moment.  So the organization became the only source of security, the only source of spiritual peace. (Ezek 13:8-12; 1 Thess 5:3) It is pounded into the minds of its members that everyone on the outside of the mountain-like organization, will die.  Most definitely, this is the use of evil cult-like tactics. 
    All who put faith in the organization, are putting faith in a repetitive broken record of lies. But JWs willingly “move ahead” with the organization no matter what suffering it has committed to its members, and what gross lies of promise it has made.   Gosh, what an incredible act of idolatry which has entrapped all of the anointed remnant over the last hundred years. (1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  The apprehension of displeasing God is magnified, through displeasing the organization.
    “If we object to something done by the body of elders or criticize the way some matter is handled,     we are being disloyal to Jehovah’s organization.”   w74 7/1 pp. 407-413
    “How can we aid our brothers in prayer?  As we approach the universal war of Armageddon it is vital to stay close to Jehovah’s mighty organization.”  w72 6/1 pp. 328-333
    Stay close, stay loyal, stay faithful…to the Father and Jesus?  No! to the organization…that claims to have brought God’s people out of spiritual “Egypt”/Babylon.  
     “So we need to abandon the “present wicked system of things,” the antitypical “Pharaoh the king of Egypt and . . . his crowd.” We need to put ourselves on the side of Jehovah’s organization.”  w77 5/15 p. 313-314
     
    Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
     2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
    Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”  Exod 32:1-4
     
    http://armageddon-obadiah.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Yes, it’s something I read in @JW Insider topic: https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/39516-all-aspects-of-1914-doctrine-are-now-problematic-from-a-scriptural-point-of-view/ where he highlighted, among many points, also this one about "wars and rumors of wars" 
    Jesus said not to be fooled by the idea that wars and rumors of wars would be the start of a "sign" (Matt 24:4,5) Well, it seems how WTJWorg Leaders in the past and today are convinced how exactly WWI with all other wars are proof for start of Last Days (and Kingdom Rule).  
    It is fascinating how we see and read this Bible verse so many time and every time WTJWorg make us to believe GB and not Jesus ! Collective obscuration!!??
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Matthew 24 v 4 through 8. 
    Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.  You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.  All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    Jesus emphasized 'see to it that you are not alarmed' and that 'the end is still to come'  or, IS NOT YET. 
    Also most translation read as beginning of birth pains. But NWT reads as  beginning of pangs of distress. A big difference in giving birth, as opposed to, having pangs of distress.  
    Quote @Srecko Sostar  But, on the other hand, it is a fairly successful method of keeping people in a state of anticipation. 
    If you couple these fake 'signs' with the threat from the GB / CCJW that one has to be a Baptised JW to be saved, then this constant threat of Armageddon from the GB and CCJW / Watchtower, gets more people Baptised into the Org and therefore brings in more money.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CCJW established 21st August 2000.   
    You’re saying that God and His laws in Christ legalized the organization’s existence and worship, even though just one of the false teachings during that time was based on a book written by Russell – “Universal War Near”.  How soon was that war to take place?
    "...the scriptural evidence and the physical facts strongly indicate that such witness work is now almost done; and when it is done the universal war will begin. Universal war is absolutely certain to come and that soon, and no power can stop it. ...during the few remaining months until the breaking of that universal cataclysm the powers that rule the nations of the earth will continue to make treaties and tell the people that by such means they will keep that world peace and bring about prosperity. (Universal War Near, 1935, p. 3, 26-27)
    This was the same time period when it was admonished not to marry and have children, and the word of God supposedly backed this teaching.  Now, for someone who hates looking backward at old teachings, how can you say that your worship is legalized by God, when you refuse to look at the false teachings that occurred from the birth of your organization?  And if JWs excuse the vast record of falsehoods, by giving leeway to their leaders for their “mistakes”, who are they ultimately obeying, God and His laws in Christ, or men and their crooked decrees and teachings?
    Since when does God’s law permit lying?  Since when is God’s name glorified by a lie? 
    The God I worship does not legalize lies.  He does not acknowledge false worship.  I believe JWs should intensely consider who the god they worship, really is.  Rev 13:1,2,11,12
     
    This is what the Lord says:
    I, the Lord, made everything.
    I stretched out the heavens by myself.
    I spread out the earth all alone.
    I cause the signs of false prophets to fail
    and make fools of fortunetellers.
    I make wise men retreat
    and turn their knowledge into foolishness.  Isa 44:24b,25
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/obey-men.html
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in CCJW established 21st August 2000.   
    You’re saying that God and His laws in Christ legalized the organization’s existence and worship, even though just one of the false teachings during that time was based on a book written by Russell – “Universal War Near”.  How soon was that war to take place?
    "...the scriptural evidence and the physical facts strongly indicate that such witness work is now almost done; and when it is done the universal war will begin. Universal war is absolutely certain to come and that soon, and no power can stop it. ...during the few remaining months until the breaking of that universal cataclysm the powers that rule the nations of the earth will continue to make treaties and tell the people that by such means they will keep that world peace and bring about prosperity. (Universal War Near, 1935, p. 3, 26-27)
    This was the same time period when it was admonished not to marry and have children, and the word of God supposedly backed this teaching.  Now, for someone who hates looking backward at old teachings, how can you say that your worship is legalized by God, when you refuse to look at the false teachings that occurred from the birth of your organization?  And if JWs excuse the vast record of falsehoods, by giving leeway to their leaders for their “mistakes”, who are they ultimately obeying, God and His laws in Christ, or men and their crooked decrees and teachings?
    Since when does God’s law permit lying?  Since when is God’s name glorified by a lie? 
    The God I worship does not legalize lies.  He does not acknowledge false worship.  I believe JWs should intensely consider who the god they worship, really is.  Rev 13:1,2,11,12
     
    This is what the Lord says:
    I, the Lord, made everything.
    I stretched out the heavens by myself.
    I spread out the earth all alone.
    I cause the signs of false prophets to fail
    and make fools of fortunetellers.
    I make wise men retreat
    and turn their knowledge into foolishness.  Isa 44:24b,25
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/obey-men.html
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    New Corporations Formed
    The January 15, 2001, issue of The Watchtower reported on the organized way in which Jehovah’s Witnesses are continuing to move forward with the Kingdom work in all the earth. It also explained how various legal entities are used as instruments to facilitate the spreading of the good news. Such entities or corporations are necessary to conform to local and national laws, as required by God’s Word. (Rom. 13:1) Because of the diversity and scope of our work, the Governing Body has approved the formation of additional corporations to care for certain needs of Jehovah’s Witnesses here in the United States. The new corporations are as follows:
    Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Religious Order of Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Kingdom Support Services, Inc.
    These will operate along with Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. Congregations and publishers may receive correspondence from any of these corporations. Your cooperation with these adjustments made by the Governing Body in fulfilling its assignment to care for all the Master’s belongings will be greatly appreciated.—Matt. 24:45-47. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202002009
    Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a not-for-profit corporation organized on August 21, 2000, in the state of New York. The purposes of the corporation are religious, educational, and charitable. -https://www.guidestar.org/profile/22-3765681#summary
    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a nonprofit corporation formed in 1884 under the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, U.S.A. It is used by Jehovah’s Witnesses to support their worldwide work, which includes publishing Bibles and Bible-based literature.
    According to its charter, the corporation’s purposes are “religious, educational, and charitable,” in particular, to “preach and teach the gospel of God’s Kingdom under Christ Jesus.” Membership in the corporation is by invitation only and is not based on how much a person has donated. The corporation members and directors assist the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. - https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/watchtower-society/
    According to simple explanations made on WTJWorg interenet pages it seems how all this corporations doing same work, namely:  purposes are “religious, educational, and charitable. 
    But for beginners like me it is interesting to read also this:
    Incorporation has many advantages for a business and its owners, including:
    Protects the owner's assets against the company's liabilities.
    Allows for easy transfer of ownership to another party.
    Often achieves a lower tax rate than on personal income.
    Usually receives more lenient tax restrictions on loss carryforwards.
    Can raise capital through the sale of stock.
     
    Other Advantages of Incorporation
    Incorporation effectively creates a protective bubble of limited liability, often called a corporate veil, around a company's shareholders and directors. As such, incorporated businesses can take the risks that make growth possible without exposing the shareholders, owners, and directors to personal financial liability outside of their original investments in the company.
    GB directing and approving all operations of all WT companies around the World. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Governing body again telling Jehovah what they want Him to do.   
    Four times the amount!  Impossible for men who cannot compensate a victim of child abuse...for the single amount asked, and even that without a fight.  
    With the GB, it is like this Pharisee:
     To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
    13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
    14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”  Luke 18:9-14
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body again telling Jehovah what they want Him to do.   
    But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.” Luke 19
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Governing body again telling Jehovah what they want Him to do.   
    It looks like the reason that God will destroy all apostates, is because the organization is the “envy of any corporation”, according to the elder in the video included in the news article.   The organization has no peer and no rival.  And of course, the “preaching work” is done out of love for neighbor and “the sanctity of life”. 
    The sanctity of life stops with any who stand against this Beast. Forget what Jesus said about loving your enemy.   (Matt 5:43-48)  What would it be like if the GB said, “we’ve made mistakes, and we’ve mislead people.   We need to realize what damage we’ve done to many who believed in our teachings that proved to be false. Perhaps we should make amends with those who have lost faith in us – in our organization.  Perhaps we should look closer at the teachings of Jesus”. 
    No.  It has never been this way, and it never will.   
    “People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
    “The second beast (false prophet) was given power to give breath to the image (“spirit-directed”)  of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.”  Rev 13:4,15
    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/web-extra-jehovahs-witnesses-contact-government-officials-businesses-with-message-of-hope/
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Governing body again telling Jehovah what they want Him to do.   
    It looks like the reason that God will destroy all apostates, is because the organization is the “envy of any corporation”, according to the elder in the video included in the news article.   The organization has no peer and no rival.  And of course, the “preaching work” is done out of love for neighbor and “the sanctity of life”. 
    The sanctity of life stops with any who stand against this Beast. Forget what Jesus said about loving your enemy.   (Matt 5:43-48)  What would it be like if the GB said, “we’ve made mistakes, and we’ve mislead people.   We need to realize what damage we’ve done to many who believed in our teachings that proved to be false. Perhaps we should make amends with those who have lost faith in us – in our organization.  Perhaps we should look closer at the teachings of Jesus”. 
    No.  It has never been this way, and it never will.   
    “People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
    “The second beast (false prophet) was given power to give breath to the image (“spirit-directed”)  of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.”  Rev 13:4,15
    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/web-extra-jehovahs-witnesses-contact-government-officials-businesses-with-message-of-hope/
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    WTJWorg Administration making "very clever" legal moves such as establishment of new corporations under various names in order to hide the origin and position / location of the documentation, ie incriminating documentation and money. This is my opinion. It is not necessary to prove the opinion, nor is it possible to successfully refute it :)) The establishment of the CCJW in 2000 is one of such maneuvers.
    Court documents that are publicly available show that this view is not excessive.
    Similar to various "Armageddon debacles". Where is the "Hidden Ball" located? Under which of the three boxes? They said that Armageddon would start in 1914, and then they said that the ball of Armageddon was under the vessel that says 1925. But look, it's not there, it's below the 1941 vessel. So again, the JW members misinterpreted the 1975 ball. And so to this day. 
    Where are the documents? Under which vessel, ie in which WT corporation? :))
     
     
     

    523641_2019_Heather_Steele_v_Donald_J_Nicholson_et_al_MEMORANDUM_OF_LAW_I_16.pdf 523641_2019_Heather_Steele_v_Donald_J_Nicholson_et_al_SUMMONS___COMPLAINT_1.pdf
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