Witness

Do you realize that you are probably the only person on this forum who uses the words “hate” and “hateful” repeatedly? Who really hates, Arauna? Is it you, hating “apostates”?  I believe that not one exjw here, hates JWs.  Instead, they are probably disgusted with the tyrannous leadership of the organization that they lived under for years, and are most likely dumbfounded that millions still tolerate its lies and hypocrisy.    I am.
Shall we put this “wisdom” and its application to the test, and grade the WT’s actions against it?
An anointed priest is to teach the people. (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  Who “represent” the priesthood and teach JWs instead?  Is it acceptable according to God’s word that the elder body have taken on that role which cannot be challenged? (yes! OCD kicking in!)  Is it acceptable that men not anointed can judge God’s chosen priesthood, that they can pass judgment on anyone above and beyond Christ Jesus?
Here are the scriptures - the “wisdom” of the Bible – which verify that Watchtower gets a zero mark in this category:  Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; 2 Thess 2:4,8; Rom 14:4
Whose wisdom will you accept – that of the GB or that of God?
I’ve provided you with scriptures that show there is no building, no organization that can be called “God’s house”; yet, the WT calls every building constructed, just that:  “God’s house”.   WT’s “Bethel” is patterned after the sanctuary and city in ancient Israel.  It is not patterned after God’s dwelling, “house”, signified since the coming of the Messiah as the Body of Christ.  Has Christ become a “stumbling block” to the GB? (1 Pet 2:4-8)
The “house/dwelling of God” today, is outlined in 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor ; Eph 2:20-22
Whose wisdom will you accept – that of the GB or that of God?
With the unyielding “two witness rule” adhered to in cases of child abuse and rape, do you realize that during the ARC, GB member Geoffrey Jackson was presented with God’s perfect justice outlined in  Deut 22:25,26 and he said it held no weight in matters of abuse today?  Why not?   Was the GB unable to perceive what loving justice in the case of victims is all about?
Whose wisdom will you accept – that of the GB or that of God?
 In the organization, who have become like beasts of burden? Who must obey the GB/”wicked slave” or pay the penalty of disfellowshipping? Every letter written by an anointed one questioning the GB’s doctrine, and warning them of their false steps, is ignored, just as Balaam ignored the beast of burden he rode.   
Everyone must obey a wicked slave, or be kicked to the curb. 
 
The reason required for the expulsion of the GB, will need to be inexcusable and offensive.
How do we know?

Rev.18:20... "“Rejoice over her, you heavens! Rejoice, you people of God! Rejoice, apostles and prophets! For God has judged her with the judgment she imposed on you.” (also Matt.7:2).

Well, the GB cause the righteous, to be condemned to death (1John3:12,14)!

See....
"In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Rev.18:24)

Rev.13: "15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."

Rev.11: "7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth."

Matt.5: "11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
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Now of course we know that the faithful who are unjustly accused and sentenced, suffer for righteousness' sake. Not so, the last harlot (GB). As the apostle Peter said;

"14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened. 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. 17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.” -- "19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God." (1Pet.3; 1Pet.2)
So, our suffering can be for either doing good, or for doing bad. The wicked steward, beats his fellow anointed brothers and slaves of Christ, for their doing good. Like Balaam, he beats the beast of burden who has enough perception, to see where the path of Balaam is leading (Num.22). The donkey is trying to save Balaam's life, and Balaam arrogantly beats the donkey in cruelty and frustration, because Balaam is not as perceptive as the ass. The angel of the Lord is about to strike Balaam dead, for his offenses against God and God's nation. This applies in the time of the End, as we observe by the inclusion of this scenario within Revelation (Rev.2:14; Jude1:11; 2Pet.2:15).
 
Just as the wicked steward/harlot/false prophet/Jezebel... has her faithful brothers in Christ, condemned to death as wicked through the Gentile force (elder body) they manipulate....
--- (just as occurred with Jesus -Rev.11:8; Matt.23:37,35; Rev.18:24; John19:12,15-16; Rev.13:15; 11:7-8); 

....so too, “She” will bear a double portion (Rev.18:6), the shame of condemnation to death, but in her case, it will be deserved (Rev.19:2).
Written by an anointed priest, Pearl Doxsey.
 
 

Quote @Arauna  And how will you know it is not an imposter anointed group trying to take over in the congregation...… ever thought of that????   I take you a bet you have not thought of this because practical matters are not your forte..
Ye of little faith. I have said many times. " but the GB will be removed by God through Christ, or they will stand down when God's time is right for it to happen.."
Arauna, you may be practical, but i would rather be spiritual.  By their works you will know them. We've seen the works of the 'all American' GB. (7 out of 8). And all white GB (7 out of 8). Whereas the Organisation is Earth wide, of all nations and tribes. 
Imagine the Israelites saying to Moses 'What a dumbo leading us to the Red Sea, we got no chance of survival now'.
FAITH in Almighty God through Jesus Christ. And it will come to pass. The GB will be removed and replaced. 
But @Witness says it much better than I can. 

I see that what 4Jah2me said, went right over your head.
Your eyes are entirely focused on 8 men who would just as soon keep you locked in their pen and deceitfully coerce you into “donating” to their corrupt organization. (Ps 140:5)
Jesus said,
 “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.”  Matt 5
Those part of the heavenly city, "New Jerusalem", the anointed, who are members of Christ’s Body, are to share his light – of TRUTH. (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22) The living Temple of God is truth, with its foundation established on the teachings of Christ and the apostles. (Eph 2:20-22)  The organization is a counterfeit that pretends to be that “truth”.   Yet, it is the anointed, who are to be the light of the world today, as ambassadors of Christ. (2 Cor 5:20)  Your sole concern and vision, is in the GB, who have dictated their silence.  Why? To suppress truth.  To kill those in Christ. (Rev 13:15) The GB’s band of thieves/elders enforce this decree. (Acts 20:29; 2 Cor 11:3; Matt 24:24,25, 48-51) (John 10:1,10; 2 Thess 2:3,4)
No Arauna, the rebels are the eight men, whom you cannot see as the primary wolves squelching the light of TRUTH each anointed one is to share. Do you really believe the true wolves would write a book against the GB, and publish it for everyone to read?  No, the authentic wolves would appear as sheep among the flock, and gain the trust of all in the herd.
 
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. (teachings) Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Matt 7:15,16
 
"For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking misleading things, to draw away the disciples after themselves."  Acts 20:29
It is a "misleading thing" to tell the anointed to shut up and conform to an earthly organization's rules and regulations that guard its need for "unity".  Can't you see that the organization is not the Temple of God?  (1 Pet 2:5-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Was there any entity during the time of the early temple period that was accepted above and beyond the established form of worship?  
Your focus has been side-swiped to believe in an earthly "established" form of worship today, through "Jehovah's organization", instead of seeing the spiritual Temple built with anointed "living stones".  It is a very sly move on the part of Satan.  
 
“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?'  Acts 7:48,49
"God who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.  Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.   Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.  Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent"  Acts 17:24,29,30
(And yes, an anointing is the outpouring of Holy Spirit which takes up residence in the heart as God’s dwelling. (1 Cor 3:16,17; Acts 2:17; 1 John 2:27) The anointed  ‘necessarily’ DO have more holy spirit than anyone else…for a reason – to teach the light of Christ to those who thirst for it. (Mat 2:7; Heb 8:10)  Those individuals  are also blessed by God's Holy Spirit, allowing their eyes to open the real TRUTH.)
How blind you are.  Unbeknownst to Furuli, I believe he is setting the stage for the fulfillment of scripture.  The “false prophet”/GB will be ousted by the composite organization of elders, along with rebel anointed ones, who would rather fork over their “crown”, for riches in this life, and not with Jesus Christ in God's Kingdom.  Rev 17:12-18
It is not by happenstance that the anointed have always gathered in the WT organization.  (Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-10)  Satan demands to test each one, as “wheat”.  (Luke 22:31)
I’m not sure if I have shared this quote from the WT, but it bears repeating:
“Just as a boss of organized crime might oversee many illegal operations—drugs, prostitution, theft, gambling, smuggling, and so forth—without personally revealing himself to all his underlings, so Satan uses an organization to control far more people than he could by himself alone. His strategy? Besides harassing individuals, he and the demons treat masses of people as if they were a herd of cattle. No need to direct each one personally. Simply turn a few at the head of the herd, and the majority will follow. Then concentrate on the strays.” G90 1/8 pp 12-13
We have been provided a personal peek into the devious ways Satan misleads “THE ELECT/SAINTS” in the last days – through an organization that “makes war” with them and spiritually "kills" anyone who stand up against it.  Rev 13:7,15  
 
 
 http://pearl-satansthrone.blogspot.com/

.....or they will be removed by human hands aka new policy, new people in management structure, "new light" about GB and so on.   

I wish more people would speak out against the GB, but the GB will be removed by God through Christ, or they will stand down when God's time is right for it to happen..
Egotism : The GB calling themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. The GB saying that only they, those 8 men, are that Slave, and that the other Anointed should not meet together for bible study etc, when those 8 men meet together all the time. The GB saying that 'God and Christ trusts them' and that therefore 'all JWs should trust them'. 
THAT is Egotism. 

I do, but not according to YOUR way.  

Like the GB, maybe?  Every scripture that you gave us to support the traits of narcissism, can be directed to them.  Perhaps majority of the elder body are narcissists also?

And your point? I merely stated that we can do much more to help the children out there when we apply better solutions, as even prompted by those who fight child abuse the correct way.
No SM, what you said was  :-
For someone who is this keen on mentioning CSA time and time again,
Hence my comment about my last SIX topics.  Don't sidetrack on what you've actually accused me of. I mention CSA when there is a need to mention it. 
I think Space Merchant and others are in for a big shock within the next twelve months. I think things would have progressed quicker but the virus I presume has quietened things down in the USA proceedings against the GB and CCJW,  or is it just that i have missed something ? 
The IICSA are still working on the investigation here in the UK. 
If charitable status is taken away from the CCJW in Australia and the UK they will find life a bit difficult, and if they are asked to open up all of their accounts for inspection by the Authorities then i think many more questions would be asked. 
As for SM, he seems to think that the hundreds of CCJW CSA victims are telling lies or just making up stories. The GB and their 'soldiers/police force' have done a good job of hiding paedophiles in the CCJW and a good job of convincing many people that it does not exist. 
Of course the Devil does a similar job of convincing people that he does not exist too. 

Yes, rather bossy isn't he  

Apples and oranges are blending together, causing a shakeup in the Watchtower,  It all relates to th same underlying problem.   
Come now.  When you face court battle after court battle over doctrine you had a share in instituting  which shields pedophiles, wouldn't you consider this as "trouble"?  
 
From a "human standpoint" I believe Christ's teachings as well as the apostles, were very sound.  I agree with you that the GB are not concerned with anything being sound from a human standpoint.  
Truth is very sound.  
Lies cause upheaval.
But you are to proclaim things consistent with sound teaching.  Titus 2:1
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,  they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Tim 6:3-5
For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 
According to your words, this time is here.  
Anna, I know you believe she is  "some crazy lady", but my intention was for anyone who would like to know more about the identities of Revelation's Beasts, could go to her blog.  I am fully aware that you are not the only reader here.   
 
 

Gerrit Losch:  "I do not direct and have never directed..."
 
Wikipedia:  Following a leadership dispute in the Bible Student movement, the Watch Tower Society remained associated with the branch of the movement that became known as Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1955, the corporation was renamed Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. In 1976, all activities of the Watch Tower Society were brought under the supervision of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."
Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent). Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.
 "Keep Holding Men of That Sort Dear".  The Watchtower. 15 October 2015. p. 3. The Governing Body members make the final decisions, but the helpers implement the committee's direction and carry out whatever assignments they are given. The helpers accompany Governing Body members to special and international conventions. They may also be assigned to visit branch offices as headquarters representatives. ... Helpers to Governing Body Committees ... Publishing Committee—Don Adams ... Writing Committee—Robert Ciranko...
 
Sounds like Mr. Losch is just plain lying.  
 
 
 
 

I do, but not according to YOUR way.  

Interesting Australian news today, the Australian Government has put JW on notice if they don't join the Scheme. 
 

My last SIX topics I've put up on this forum do not relate to CSA, so stop exaggerating @Space Merchant
And even then you tear my topics to pieces. So, sorry SM, I cannot take you too seriously. You also take a lot of words to say very little. You seem to go round and round in circles. 
The only people that KNOW how a faith truly operates are the people inside that faith. I laugh when you say you can speak with Elders on a neutral footings, that is so funny. Elders will tell you what they want you to know. And the GB have said that Elders can tell lies to protect the CCJW Org. They call it 'spiritual warfare'. 
Quote " I would like you to point out as to what I do not know - please do, I want to see. "
That has been done many times, BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU, because you THINK you know better. 
There is exaggeration on both sides. the very Anti-JWs that make videos etc exaggerate the problems. AND the GB, Writing Department, COs, Elders exaggerate in the opposite direction. Please remember that the GB said it was all apostate rumours, until a lot of it was proven as fact.
As for CSA being Earthwide, everybody knows that. But, this is a JW forum and I am only interested in the CCJW.
True Christians should be 'no part of the world'. And true Christians should not be trying to solve worldly problems. If a person is directly involved in an incident or can help those close to them then yes of course help, but, not spend time or money trying to put right things the world over.
My point of being on this forum is, to either see the CCJW / JW Org / Watchtower, cleansed by God through Christ, or, to see the beginning of a new religion that will serve God properly. I am therefore not looking at 'the rest of the world' from this viewpoint. 
As for this comment of yours :-
" it is striking that even solutions provided by the ones you seek aid from, it often ignored. "
Who are you suggesting that I am 'seeking aid from' ? For in my opinion only God and Christ can set matter straight. 

I'll say one thing again :-
You have to be an ex- 'JW' to KNOW how the Elders and the CCJW works.  Just reading info' about JW Org does not give a person the real insight. Unfortunately Space Merchant THINKS he knows the CCJW / JW Org, but he doesn't.  No matter how much you read about something it does not match up to personal experience. Some of us do not just rely on news media reports, we actually know what the CCJW is like first hand. 

What "jump"? Deficit in Australasia Company is not evident? Do you know why they have deficit and why they sending millions of $ out of continent?
Thanks! I will visit website. 
Allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse by 1,006 members of the organisation, They have names also. Do you know their names? 
I think how two important victims was BCG and BCB, as overture to all after, was in ARC process. I am glad that Lara and Steven done the same.

My concern here in the UK is that JWs will get seriously hurt whilst on the ministry or going to meetings, by people that are outraged by the disgusting behaviour within the CCJW.  The regular JWs seriously do not know how bad it all is. They do not investigate it. Because they are 'sheeplike' they do as they are told, and they are told not to do research outside of the 'Org'.  I had told the Elders of my ex-congregation of the dangers, but they did not listen to me. This is why I now try to make it known anywhere i can, because my ex congregation are not allowed to converse with me. The more news articles the better, earthwide,  as far as I am concerned. 

Of course I'm not serious about it.  Dear SM, what I'm trying to tell you is the same thing I've said before many times to you.  My focus is on my people in the organization, not on the political, religious movements in the world.  I don't care about left, right, right center bias, or center right bias.   Yes, I admit WT has its fingers in politics when it is advantageous toward their cause, but my interest is in their complete denial to follow God's words in Christ.  
 
 

That's a good point.  If this is "Jehovah's organization", why isn't running smoothly?  If they practice "pure worship", why isn't the organization thriving in every way?  When the people under Moses walked the desert for 40 years, something as minor as what they wore on their feet, never wore out.  Since the organization continually compares itself to God's nation during the time of Moses, would God allow a financial deficit to impede the work of His organization?  Or, is this deficit the underhanded work of thieves?  
"I am the gate. Those who enter the sheep pen through me will be saved. They will go in and out of the sheep pen and find food. 10 A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came so that my sheep will have life and so that they will have everything they need."  John 10:9,10

I'm not a political person.  I cannot share your insatiable appetite for what you speak about. I've already explained myself and that will have to do.  But! Out of coincidence, my son sent me a video the very day "left", "right", showed up on this topic!  I'll share the video with you.   
And that's as far as I will go with it. 
By the way, I noticed you didn't address the fact that the redress scheme has been rejected by the WT.  
 

The question is, will their embarrassment at the most recent action made by their organization to reject the redress scheme, prick their conscience enough to leave?  Dedication, fear and blindness is so entrenched in their minds, I have my doubts.
"No fear exists where His love is. Rather, perfect love gets rid of fear, because fear involves punishment. The person who lives in fear doesn’t have perfect love."   1 John 4:18
As the video Srecko posted reveals, the GB does not make their decisions based on love for the congregation.  Even at their level, they also harbor fear, of losing their riches...their empire. 

The WT on Australia TV news report stated they will be no joining the Australian compensation scheme 
Here is the video from The Project news report.
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https://youtu.be/NmYajUmWCBw
 

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They obey the authorities??
Montana is a reporting state and they didn't report the abuse of Lexi Nuñez. They were sued and lost 35 million. They appealed the decision claiming they were not clergy and won.
Pennsylvania is another mandatory reporting state. They did not report the abuse of Stephanie Fessler. They settled out of court.
California is another reporting state. Gonzalo Campos was an elder who had abused children before in the Congregations. The Watchtower did not report to authorities and did not warn the Congregation. This appointed elder abused more children. They lost a 13.5M lawsuit and the court demanded that they turn in their database of pedophiles which the Watchtower refused!!

No, i was not. 
I can't.
Money is in question :))) who care about article wrote by some "leftist or rightist or centrist" :)))