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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    @Arauna  I don't think I go back as far as Russell etc, but i do go back the 1960's. That is because it was when I was being taught the 'truth' by JW's. However the 'truth' that I was being taught turned out to be false. So I can base my findings on Facts because I know the situation. 
    And that magazine from 1967 shows how false it was back then. 'The last day of the last days, in fact the last part of the last day' (Not an exact quote but near enough to make the point)
    I do remember @JW Insider saying something like (and I know I will be told he didn't) 'The GB or leaders need to keep saying things to keep the congregants on their toes and keep them busy' (Not a direct quote but the idea is close enough) 
    I would ask all JWs this. Is there a written list of CCJW core teachings, because it seems a phrase that is being 'banded about' here ? 
    And I would love to see a written list of rules past and present too. Such as : No beards. Must wear a tie and jacket.  A brother and a sister should not spend time together when no one else is present. A brother and a sister are not allowed to stay the night in the same house. (but probably two brothers can or two sisters, because the GB don't want to think in that direction). 
    As for the world wide preaching work. How many so called Christian religions are Earth wide ? Lots of them. How many of them produce their own Bible ? Quite a few of them. Back in the early 1960's there were Christian Union people that would do 'ministry work' around the streets here in England. What the CCJW do is not new. The Mormons were / are doing it too. IF the CCJW message in false then they are no better than the others. 
    There is a scripture 2 Peter 3 v 4 :-
    Berean Study Bible
    “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”
    BUT the JW Organisation made this promise in 1967 as I've written above. So that makes the Org guilty of stumbling people...... Have an honest think about it.
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I believe how this "guys stuck on the past" are wary, because they are not sure if they can trust an organization that has made false beliefs, doctrines in the past, and never show regret and apologize  to members, become reliable today ?!. 
    How you can believe they are reliable today, when they changing doctrines and interpretations, instructions on an annual basis ?!
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Not if he is part of  the "beloved" one, which he is.(Rev. 13:1,2).  The other one he would like to see removed... "decommissioned". (Rev. 13:11,12)  I see you missed that part in my post.🙂              
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT   
    “For behold, in those days and at that time,
    When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
    I will also gather all nations,
    And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
    And I will enter into judgment with them there
    On account of My people, My heritage Israel,
    Whom they have scattered among the nations;
    They have also divided up My land.”  Joel 3:1,2
                                                             
    I wanted to get a physical picture in my mind of what the Bible’s “Valley of Jehoshaphat” really looked like.  That is easier said than done, since some historians believe that its true location could be in a valley called Barachah (“blessing”), located eleven miles or more from Jerusalem.  There it is believed that the Judean King Jehoshaphat sought God’s help to defeat the coalition of three enemy Gentile nations.  (2 Chron 20:1)  Then again, it is widely accepted that it refers to a valley within the Kidron Valley, which lies between the ancient Temple mount and the Mount of Olives.  That too, is considered the possible site where Judah was delivered from the enemy nations.
    Many today believe the Kidron Valley will be the focus of a literal judgment of all nations in the world, for their treatment of the physical nation of Israel.  Its location is the site of Jewish tombs on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, and an incredible number of burial sites of professed Christians and Muslims within the valley. I was surprised to learn that people desire to be buried there, where supposedly the resurrection will occur when Jesus is said to walk through the “golden gate” of the temple ruins (based on Zech 14:4
    Still, it is a correct belief by some scholars that Joel’s words refer solely to the time of final judgment, the decision making by God of the righteous and the unrighteous, during Armageddon. (Eccl 3:17; 1 Pet 3:12) “Jehoshaphat means “YHWH has judged”. 
    "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision."  Joel 3:14  
    (Some translations say, "Commotion, commotion"...)
    But, what happened to the three raiding nations that came against Judah during King Jehoshaphat’s reign?  God spoke to the king through the prophet Jahaziel, the son of Zechariah,
    “Listen, all Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem and King Jehoshaphat, thus says YHWH to you: ‘Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed before this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s.  17 There will be no need for you to fight in this battle. Take your stand! Stand and see the deliverance of YHWH among you, O Judah and Jerusalem! Do not fear and do not be dismayed. Tomorrow go out before them and YHWH will be with you.’” 2 Chron 20:15-17
    God put it in the hearts of the enemy to turn on each other, without Judah lifting one sword.  When the last nation stood alone, “each helped to destroy his comrade”.  2 Chron 20:22,23
    I know it’s hard to imagine for most of us, but we are in the middle of Armageddon.  Our own spiritual choices, affect God’s ultimate decision of our worthiness to receive eternal life, made in the symbolic “valley of decision”.  (Dan 7:9,10; Zeph 3:8; John 12:48; Heb 3:7-11; Rev 20:12) 
    But, before this final judgment is completed by God, a spiritual war is in progress, raging within and outside the organization’s borders.  (Rev 12:7; Eph 6:12; 5:11; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 9:1-4;13:1,6,7;16:13-16; 20: 7-9)
    It is a necessary war between truth spoken by the faithful kings of Christ, and lies pouring out of the mouth of those kings who have fallen from God’s grace.  (Heb 3:12; 12:15; Acts 20:29-30; 1 Cor 11:19; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12; 16:13,14)
    They are the “false prophets” of spiritual “Israel” who war against their brothers using lies and deceit. (Matt 7:15; 24:4,5, 24,25; 1 John 3:10; 1 Tim 4:1)
    They have joined forces with a strong “Gentile” Wild Beast, beneficial for dominating, persecuting, and “killing” God’s holy people - the “prophets, sages and scribes” sent to them with the message of Christ’s truth.  (Isa 66:5; Matt 23:34-36; 24:9-12,49; John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 9:1; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:1,5-7,11,15; 11:3,7,8; 18:24)
    Eventually, this massive army will form an alliance with those of “Israel” who still adhere to the organization.  Single-mindedly, they will commit the very act already carried out upon others, the disfellowshipping/”killing” of both spiritual “Jews” and “Gentiles” who wake up to the organization’s lies and hypocrisy.    In this case, ‘each will help to destroy his comrade’. God will put into their hearts to terminate the rulership of the corrupt, deceitful governing “kings”/Harlot.  (Ezek 16:35-37; 38:21; Rev 17:12,13,15-17)
    "For the eyes of the LORD roam throughout the earth to show himself strong for those who are wholeheartedly devoted to him. You have been foolish in this matter. Therefore, you will have wars from now on." 2 Chron 16:9
    Proclaim this among the nations:
    “Prepare for war!
    Wake up the mighty men,
    Let all the men of war draw near,
    Let them come up.
    10 Beat your plowshares into swords
    And your pruning hooks into spears;
    Let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ ”
    11 Assemble and come, all you nations,
    And gather together all around.
    Cause Your mighty ones to go down there, O Lord.”
    “And when you hear about wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. This must happen, but the end is not yet.  For nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places. There will be famines. These things are the beginning of birth pains.”     Mark 13:7,8
     
    Christ is not the Destroyer. Christ conducts spiritual warfare, with the "sword of his mouth" (Rev 19:15; 1:16; Heb 4:12; Eph 6:17).
    He is King of Truth, and the Battle is with the deceptions of death... the mouth of Satan (John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:4; Rev 12:15; 16:13,14; 20:7,8). 
     Those on the side of truth listen to Christ, and carry forward to completion, Christ's war against the darkness, along with their Lord (Rev 17:14; 119:11-14,8;6:9-11) (Luke 22:69; Matt 28:18; John 18:37; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:25).
    Satan's messengers resist, and work to subjugate Truth, and the work of Christ's Ambassadors (Rev 12:7; Eph 6:12; 5:11; 2 Cor 10:3-5).
    God's interest regarding war, is limited to spiritual warfare (Gen 3:15; Rev 12:17,10,11). The obscene and futile warfare of Satan's world, has no place in the purposes of God. That world was abandoned at the beginning, by its own will. That will, and the abandonment which results, will remain undeterred. For good reason, the name of its god, is Destroyer.
    Pearl Doxsey, “What Hope for Satan’s World”
     
    There is a point in this war, where God will say, enough is enough.  (Ezek 7:1-4)
    "Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
    For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
    Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.
    Come, go down;
    For the winepress is full,
    The vats overflow—
    For their wickedness is great.”  Joel 3:12,13
    “’For look, on the city that is called by My name I am beginning to inflict harm, and you indeed, will you go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth,’ declares YHWH of hosts. And you yourself shall prophesy against them all these words, and you shall say to them:
    ‘YHWH will roar from on high,
        and from His holy dwelling place he will give His voice. (1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16,17,19; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:21; Rev 11:1-3)
    He will roar mightily against His settlement,
        a jubilant shout like those who tread grapes,
    He will answer against all the inhabitants of the earth.” Jer 25:29,30
     
    “And another angel who had authority over the fire went out from the altar, and he called out with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Send out your sharp sickle and harvest the clusters of grapes from the vine of the earth, because its grapes are at their prime!” And the angel swung his sickle into the earth and harvested the vine of the earth, and threw the grapesinto the great winepress of the wrath of God.” Rev 14:18,19
    Those faithful servants of “Israel” who ride with Christ in this war, remain attached to the vine of truth, spiritually living on the sap of that vine.  (John 15:1,2,4-6,16;16:4,5; 1 Cor 6:17)  
    Yet, the Harlot’s weaponry used against the anointed and all in the organization is in the “wine” she offers, which results in spiritual drunkenness. (Jer 2:21; Deut 32:32,33; Matt 7:15,16; Rom 3:13)
    Her acts of deceit, are well tolerated by the inebriated, who repeatedly excuse and forget her lies, while drinking down another cup of her poisoned wine. (Jer 51:7; 1 Thess 5:6,7; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 14:8; 18:3,4)
     
    I want to share a comment that Pearl made a few years ago, that gives definition to “evil” grapes at their prime:
    The Bible portrays, that it is absorbed into their blood, so that their very soul (Lev 17:11) is the "venom of vipers" (Deut 32:32,33). 
    This is exactly why Christ treads the "winepress". It is to squeeze the falsehood from them. Those marked by “666” are false witnesses. The falsehood filling their souls (symbolized by their blood), will cause the lifeblood they have chosen, to kill them, because they will drown on their own blood. They drown on the lies within them, that Christ must crush at his return. This is such deep symbolism, but every detail of it, applies. Because their blood has become Satan's wine, they will lose their souls. God speaks of the Harlot who channels that "wine", when we read Isa.47:5-7 ...

    5 “O beautiful Babylon, sit now in darkness and silence.
        Never again will you be known as the queen of kingdoms.
    6 For I was angry with my chosen people
        and punished them by letting them fall into your hands.
    But you, Babylon, showed them no mercy.
        You oppressed even the elderly.
    7 You said, ‘I will reign forever as queen of the world!’
        You did not reflect on your actions
        or think about their consequences."

    We will see her fall.

    "30 A horrible and shocking thing
        has happened in this land—
    31 the prophets give false prophecies,
        and the priests rule with an iron hand.
    Worse yet, my people like it that way!
        But what will you do when the end comes?" (Jer.5:30-31)
     
    “And it will happen on that day;
    the mountains will drip new wine,
        and the hills will flow with milk,
        and all the channels of Judah will flow with water.
    A spring from the house of YHWH will come forth,
        and it will water the valley of Acacia Trees.
    19 Egypt will become a desolation,
        and Edom will become a desolate desert,
    because of the violence they did against the children of Judah,
        in whose land they have shed innocent blood.
    20 But Judah will be inhabited forever,
        and Jerusalem for all generations.
    21 I will cleanse their bloodguilt that I did not cleanse,
        for YHWH is dwelling in Zion.”  Joel 3:18-21
     
    Pearl Doxsey – https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    Labor Pains
    A Hidden Famine, A Hidden Feast
    Spiritual Virginity vs. The Harlot’s Cup/Two Covenants
    666
    The Great Winepress

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Not if he is part of  the "beloved" one, which he is.(Rev. 13:1,2).  The other one he would like to see removed... "decommissioned". (Rev. 13:11,12)  I see you missed that part in my post.🙂              
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Yes @Arauna I can agree with you up to a point about not going that far back but the God's Kingdom Rules book didn't help did it ? (I'm looking at my copy now)
    Printed in 2014, that's not that long ago is it ?    The very first double inner pages. Quote :- 
    "Picture yourself as a member of the Brooklyn Bethel family on Friday morning of October 2, 1914"..........
    And it continues to go on about C. T. Russel.  And a big picture of same.... 
    A lot of that book was about the history of the Organisation that far back. So it seems it was important to the GB to 'talk about it'. Hence others talk about it too.
    Your last paragraph is a minefield if you don't mind me saying so. It's like having a really beautiful car that looks lovely and is so comfortable, but the engine is faulty and unreliable.  The CCJW has lots of very good points, but it's 'engine' is faulty and unreliable. 
    And I was saying that long before that man and his book were being mentioned on here. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    It is very important to know the history (including any false claims and false prophecies made) of the CCJW as @Srecko Sostar shows.
    Quote "Also, think, it is important to know the history of the organization to which someone belongs as an active member, as a person who dedicates his life to the goals of that same organization."
    One big reason is this :-
    The second question for Baptism ;
    Do you understand that your baptism indentifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organisation ? 
    So what intelligent person would hand themselves over to an Organisation that they knew nothing about ?
    It is easy to be deceived because the 'boots on the ground' JWs seem so pleasant.  And the so called Bible Studies, are not such, but they are a book study with some reference to scripture. 
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    It is very common to see an organization say something  such as, "we've been in business since 1956", or "for over 80 years we've served the community".  It is considered as something to be proud of. It incites curiosity, and the Watchtower does the same thing.  Yet, they select what they want the curious one, to find out about its beginnings.   If JWs say, it's not important to go back and research WT's history, what are THEY hiding?  (excluding JWI, because he is a walking WT history book, and has opened his "pages" freely for all to read)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    It is very common to see an organization say something  such as, "we've been in business since 1956", or "for over 80 years we've served the community".  It is considered as something to be proud of. It incites curiosity, and the Watchtower does the same thing.  Yet, they select what they want the curious one, to find out about its beginnings.   If JWs say, it's not important to go back and research WT's history, what are THEY hiding?  (excluding JWI, because he is a walking WT history book, and has opened his "pages" freely for all to read)
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Anyone, any teacher who teaches/preaches lies, falsehoods – whatever you want to call them – is spiritually immoral.  Any teacher who supports a heritage of false teachers, by quietly removing their lying books yet keeps continuing to highlight the person’s apparent spiritual “integrity”, is an accomplice to sin, to lies.  Nowhere in God’s word, do we find Jesus or the apostles supporting false teachers and the lies they spoke. (Ezek 13:9; Matt 7:15,16; 1 John 4:1; 2 Pet 3:17; 2 Pet 2:1-22)
    Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.  Luke 6:26
    A spiritually “sexual” immoral person is defined by scripture, as a prostitute, a harlot.  Any person who turns a blind eye to a heritage running deep in spiritual immorality, and supports the organization that is guilty of it, is also is a partaker in harlotry. Man’s “ways are not God’s ways”. He expects His people to listen to His word, which condemns false prophets. (Deut 18:20-22) The warnings in scripture are prevalent against turning to falsehoods. There is no leeway, no footnote in the Bible called, “exceptions to the rule”, with the opportunity to label lies as “adjustments”, or “new light”.   The outcome for those who continue on that crooked path, is bleak.  (Prov 10:9; 11:3)
    Not that my opinion matters in the least here, but what I see by the writing of this book is the beginning of another prophesy becoming fulfilled.  Revelation is not about the religions outside of spiritual “Israel”. It addresses God’s servants and their need for repentance. (Rev 3:15-20) The Harlot of Rev 13:11, who “guides”/rides the Beast organization (Rev 13:1) is primed for the Beast/elder body to “eat her flesh and burn her with fire”, which is the premise of Furuli's book.   Pretty much meaning "she"/GB is being “chewed up” and soon to be “spit out” by a coalition of non-anointed elders and a symbolic “ten kings” – anointed who join in the scheme to oust the GB.
    God will put it into their hearts to carry it out.
    “The ten horns you saw (Rev 13:1) are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, (with Christ, Rev 5:19,10) but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
    15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish His purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority,(1 Pet 2:9) until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. (Rev 1:5)”  Rev 17:12-18
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    G. Losch said: "We are rowing".
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    In 2017, the same - Open club and JW members had Closed club. But people, JW people too, participate very much in Open club, because it is more interesting :))
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    When I joined in 2016, it was an open club.  I remember the Librarian told me that everyone was allowed to "have their say".  Now that it is closed, maybe that has changed.  Maybe I am on the "soon to be removed" list.  
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    @Arauna " Since we are Bible students and have a PERSONAL relationship with Jehovah and keep improving our  BIBLE  knowledge, "
    Yes and we can do this without being a JW. You said it is a personal relationship, and it is not an 'organisational' one. 
    Quote Arauna.  "I look at the bible and see some kind of central body in the first century. "
    Whereas I look at the Bible and see that Jesus personally guided the Apostle Paul to write the letters to the Congregations. Paul didn't even bother to visit the 'central body' for the first three years of his ministry. Paul definitely had a very personal relationship with God through Christ. It did not involve going through anyone else. 
    Quote Arauna "I do not need any person to tell me"
    Ah but you do have people telling you. You have your GB through the Writing Dept, and through your Elders. They tell you what they want you to believe. 
    Quote Arauna "I actually  feel sorry for the professor Feruli- to have served jehovah so long and faithfully and now in old age succumb to the plague of mankind....
    I actually feel sorry for anyone that cannot see the faults in the GB and the CCJW.  It's not about deliberately looking for faults, but it is about knowing what you are part of, and then using your Christian conscience to guide you as to whether it is right to remain part of it. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    Jesus himself said he did not speak from his own initiative, but only what the Father had taught him, or told him to say. 
    The GB must speak from their own initiative as they are not guided by God's holy Spirit. 
    The things Jesus taught came true or are still coming true.
    The things that the leaders of CCJW have taught over the many years have not come true and have proved to be false. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "Spiritual Paradise in JW comunity", questions from readers   
    According to one article in WT magazine, JW members living in "spiritual paradise" already. This sort of paradise is possible because of several reasons. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001162  Reasons are:
    1. JW people know what is God's purpose
    2. spiritual paradise is an environment that is pleasing to the eyes and soothing to the nerves, allowing one to enjoy peace with one’s fellowman and with God
    3. people approaching Jehovah’s Witnesses, seeking help to understand the Bible and to learn about spiritual paradise
    4. Jehovah’s Witnesses are active in 235 lands and territories
    5. people can found a spiritual paradise in association with Jehovah’s Witnesses and their knowledge about God and love in community
    6. people doing God's will
    7. people need to associate with a congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Question is: If from some, any reason WT Society with all Legal Entities that support, organize and unites JW members by giving them proper knowledge aka "spiritual food" for living in "spiritual paradise", ceases to exist .....will the "spiritual paradise" also disappear?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    If the GB want to show that they are aware of their "own limitations" (like S. Lett's Jesus), then, the JW’s should only have one 10 minute lecture (basically reading the Bible text) per week or month in the assembly and the rest of the time they should sing and laugh.

    And only one issue of WT magazine in a year. Preferable would be Awake with articles about animal and nature to praise Creator .
    :))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    No, Arauna. More important, crucially important to save life is - FLEE.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    It’s 2 minutes long.  I suggest listening to it twice.  Notice the undertones of ridicule directed against the “auTHORity” of Jesus Christ.   See if you detect the exemplified authority of the GB, placed on the same level as God’s word.  And how Jesus was aware of his “limitations”, not having authority “to teach others things that originated in his own mind”.  But this man? He displays no humble attitude before God’s Son.   Even though the GB persists in fabricating deception originating from THEIR minds, you are made aware that they are above and beyond such limitations! 
    Honestly, JWs.  This is a man who told lies about the organization’s problem with child abuse. Now, he is blatantly exalting himself above Christ and his authority.  If any of you believe you will receive eternal life by “sticking close” to this false christ/prophet, and not Jesus Christ, I fear for your lives.  Will you continue to look the other way and excuse his and all of the GB’s actions, thinking that God will correct them?  God looks at us individually and views OUR choice to serve Him and His Son, or to serve men who expect obedience to them.  (Joel 3:14)
    “Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”  Luke 20:46,47
    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.” Matt 7:15 
    “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.”  Col 2:8
    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’  Matt 7:21-23
     
    Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.  Jer 14:14
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    There must be a mound of WT paperwork a mile high,concerning "generation", and what Jesus meant. Add to that, every JW's opinion on what it means. Okay, a good 2 miles high.    Does it occur to anyone that Jesus was referring to its spiritual meaning and not the physical meaning?  
    "Praise the Lord!
    Blessed is the man who fears the Lord,
    Who delights greatly in His commandments.
    2 His descendants will be mighty on earth;
    The generation of the upright will be blessed.  Ps 112:1,2
    That generation began in Genesis.
    And I will put enmity
    Between you and the woman,
    And between your seed and her Seed;
    He shall bruise your head,
    And you shall bruise His heel.”  Gen 3:15
    As did this "generation" - 
    "His people have acted corruptly toward him; this is their defect* -- they are not his children but a devious and crooked generation."  Deut 32:5
    The "righteous", "upright", "faultless", have God as their father.
    "By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was approved as a righteous man, because God approved his gifts, and even though he is dead, he still speaks through his faith."  Heb 11:4
    The unrighteous, wicked, have Satan as their father.
    so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God who are faultless in a crooked and perverted generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world    Phil 2:15
     and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?"  Acts 13:10
    "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."  John 8:44
    We choose our spiritual father by our actions, our belief, and our desire to follow or not follow, Christ's teachings.   If we search the scriptures we see God's children weave through the entire Bible.   Jesus was speaking of generated "seeds" from either the Father in Heaven (the righteous), or those of Satan, the devil (the unrighteous)
    It doesn't have to be difficult to understand.  The problem arises when leaders put literal application to spiritual timetables.  They constantly have to cover their butt for their failures.  
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/11/generation.html
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Quote @Witness " It is ironic that the organization is referred to, as "the truth", in light of all of its falsehoods.   The "truth" can only apply to the Temple of God.  Again, I think of "Beliefs Clarified" which covers over falsehoods by glorifying them, as acceptable.  How deceitful. "
    It is done to play on the mind of the weak. If you tell some people it is 'the truth' then they don't question it. Most JWs  are basic folk with very basic thinking ability. They either are not intelligent enough to think or cannot be bothered to think beyond what they are taught at the KH or conventions.  The CSA problem shows this, most JWs don't even know it exists. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    The Head of the anointed Body/Church, is Jesus Christ.
    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
    It is not possible for any "living stone" who are members of this Body, to speak a lie.  They are united under one Spirit.
    "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all."  1 Cor 12:4
    "This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth." 1 John 5:6
    "Sanctify them by Your truth.  Your word is truth."  John 17:17
    The sealed "living stones" are all, pillars of truth.   (1 Pet 2:5)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    "But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. "  Gal 2:7-9
    For the WT leadership to believe that this verifies proof of a governing body in Jerusalem, is self-gratifying, supporting their desire to build their "temple".  On the contrary, each apostle is a "pillar" of truth, supporting the foundation of the Temple of God.  
    "These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."  1 Tim 3:14,15
    "Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."
    Each anointed one sealed into God's Temple, also becomes a "pillar"..of truth.
    "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name."  Rev 3:12
    "But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life."  Rev 21:27
    It is ironic that the organization is referred to, as "the truth", in light of all of its falsehoods.   The "truth" can only apply to the Temple of God.  Again, I think of "Beliefs Clarified" which covers over falsehoods by glorifying them, as acceptable.  How deceitful.  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    "But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. "  Gal 2:7-9
    For the WT leadership to believe that this verifies proof of a governing body in Jerusalem, is self-gratifying, supporting their desire to build their "temple".  On the contrary, each apostle is a "pillar" of truth, supporting the foundation of the Temple of God.  
    "These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."  1 Tim 3:14,15
    "Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."
    Each anointed one sealed into God's Temple, also becomes a "pillar"..of truth.
    "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name."  Rev 3:12
    "But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life."  Rev 21:27
    It is ironic that the organization is referred to, as "the truth", in light of all of its falsehoods.   The "truth" can only apply to the Temple of God.  Again, I think of "Beliefs Clarified" which covers over falsehoods by glorifying them, as acceptable.  How deceitful.  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    The Head of the anointed Body/Church, is Jesus Christ.
    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
    It is not possible for any "living stone" who are members of this Body, to speak a lie.  They are united under one Spirit.
    "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all."  1 Cor 12:4
    "This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth." 1 John 5:6
    "Sanctify them by Your truth.  Your word is truth."  John 17:17
    The sealed "living stones" are all, pillars of truth.   (1 Pet 2:5)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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