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    HollyW got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims   
    Maybe the level of authority is something to consider in this since it's the policies of the WTS that are causing them trouble with how they deal with child abuse, and those policies are made by those with the highest authority in the WT hierarchy.  No doubt those with higher authority want to protect the organization at all costs and they are the ones responsible for the poor procedures they insist on for child abuse cases.
    For instance, elders are told to report these crimes, not to the police but to the WTS legal department. Nor are the elders told to tell the victim and/or the victim's parents to report it to the police.  
    In addition to the ghastly two witness rule the WTS has invented for this, the WT procedure flat out takes the word of the accused over that of the victim.  To stop this they need to report each and every accusation to the civil authorities.  Child abuse, child molestation, child rape are all crimes. 
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    HollyW reacted to JaniceM in Man whips out cellphone camera when he realizes neighborhood Jehovah’s Witness is a convicted sex offender   
    Yes, it is allowable.  However, the issue was whether he is allowed by law as a registered sex offender of minor(s) to put himself in the position where he comes in contact with a minor child, which is often the case if he's going door to door visiting homes.  In most jurisdictions, sex offenders cannot live within so many feet of a school or playground, etc.  In some cases, children of sex offenders are taken out of the home so they will not come in contact with the sex offender(s) even if it's the parent(s).  There is no room for a sex offender to work themselves into a trusting home where a parent would feel comfortable leaving a child alone with them or letting them take the child out of the home for any length of time.
    As an example someone with an alcohol problem, cannot be around alcohol for it is too tempting and they can fall back into abusing it.  We all have to remove ourselves from certain tempting situations or things that may stimulate us to commit sin.
     
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims   
    Again, you cannot know what criticisms I make elsewhere ... unless you believe yourself to be cyber-omniscient. Do you believe yourself to be cyber-omniscient, Allen?
    Your initial allegation was that I was an "instigator, not a problem solver," to which I replied that the power to change policies and legislation was in the hands of the Org's leadership and secular authorities. Yes, there have been appalling failings in numerous institutions globally, and now those institutions are being investigated and called to account - rightly so. 
    So with regard to the specific inadequacies of the JW Org, what in your opinion will help address their child safeguarding failures?
    I don't know why you referred to Mark 13:9. It's talking about being brought before the authorities for bearing witness to Jesus - not for doing wrong. A more applicable passage is the first few verses of Rom. 13.
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims   
    You do not know all the websites I post on and the handles I use. This section of the forum is for 'JW news' - not 'Catholic news' or 'Scientology news' or even 'Nuwaubianism news.' The article I posted falls into the category of 'JW news.' Can you at least try to make comments pertinent to the article and not make the thread about personalities (yet again)? Thanks. 
    As you well know, the problem of inadequate safeguarding procedures can only be addressed by the Org's leadership or those secular bodies involved with legislation.
     
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    HollyW got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims   
    I agree that JWs are no different than any other religion, but the thing is, JWs condemn all religions, including Christianity other than themselves, as being led by Satan, so when you say JWs are no different than any other religion, it places them in a group they try to maintain they are no part of. 
    To excuse the WTS by pointing to the faults in other churches does not make the WTS right, and there is no basis for their two witness rule for child abuse nor for allowing the predator to question the victim in a private meeting nor for not reporting this crime to the proper authorities.  I mean, they aren't trying to be like the Catholics, are they?
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    HollyW reacted to JaniceM in Man whips out cellphone camera when he realizes neighborhood Jehovah’s Witness is a convicted sex offender   
    I'm not sure if they are suppose to wear an ankle monitor.  I guess we now need to do background checks to make sure no one has committed felony of child abuse or sexual assault.  We could be in violation of the child offense laws if knowingly allowing such ones to go door to door which put them in close vicinity of minor children.  An unsuspecting parent might grow to trust someone and allow their child to be alone or take a trip with the offender and never suspect anything.
    Only Jehovah knows if a person is truly repentant.  However, I don't trust them when they say I'm sorry and I'll never do it again.  It best to take precautions and protect the children.
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    HollyW got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims   
    Hmmmm......."No different than any other religion " doesn't sound like a very good excuse for a religion that claims to be God's sole channel of communication to mankind.
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Indeed. I guess He's the only one who does. 
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims   
    Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claims
    Organisation faces fight to prevent Charity Commission examining its records of abuse claims after supreme court rejects its attempt to block inquiry
     A spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said: ‘We are in no position to, and neither would we wish to, force any victim of abuse to confront their attacker.’ Photograph: Fairfax Media via Getty Images The Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation is under increasing pressure to address its handling of sexual abuse allegations as it faces legal setbacks, bills of over £1m and a fight to prevent the Charity Commission examining its records of abuse claims.
    Last month a judge upheld a ruling against the UK’s leading Jehovah’s Witnesses charity, the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Britain (WTBTS), that the Jehovah’s Witnesses had failed to protect a woman, known in proceedings as A, from sexual abuse starting when she was four years old.
    Now the supreme court has rejected a highly unusual attempt by the WTBTS to block a Charity Commission inquiry into how the Jehovah’s Witnesses charity handles allegations of abuse.
    The extent of the charity’s challenges and the length of time they have gone on for are unprecedented in recent times, a spokesman for the Charity Commission said.
    In A’s case the high court awarded damages and the WTBTS have been left facing legal fees totalling about £1m after attempting to appeal against the judgement three times.
    The decision in A’s case sets a precedent that could expose the organisation to further claims. It continues to fight Charity Commission orders to provide documents on sexual abuse allegations, as well as other aspects of the inquiry, in lower courts.
    Fay Maxted, chief executive of the Survivors Trust, a national sexual assault charity, said: “These are cases where someone has been sexually violated and had their whole trust in the safety of their religious community blown away.
    “It’s deeply disappointing that a faith-based organisation appears to be so determined to try and avoid answering questions about its own behaviour …
    “This is something the Catholics and Church of England have also had to deal with – these big institutions will fight and fight every step of the way.”
    The ways in which large institutions – from the BBC to the Church of England – respond to allegations of sexual abuse has been under intense scrutiny in recent years. But the governmental investigation into the issue, the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (IICSA), was thrown into turmoil following the unexpected resignation of its chair, Lowell Goddard, last week. The home secretary on Thursday appointed Prof Alexis Jay as the new chair.
    The Guardian understands that some survivors of sexual abuse by members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are considering making submissions to the inquiry’s truth project, a strand gathering survivors’ testimony.
    A, the woman at the centre of the civil case, was abused by a senior member of her congregation for five years from the age of four. It emerged during court proceedings that he had confessed to a different attack and was removed from a senior role, but had “repented” and was allowed to continue within the congregation.
    The police were not told and her mother said in court that she had no recollection of being warned about him.
    A said her mother told leading members, known as “elders”, about the abuse when she was about 14. Her attacker had been released from jail for other sex attacks and was asking to return to the congregation, she said.
    “All the while I had it hanging over my head that if I wanted to raise any allegations … I would be forced into a judicial committee, I would have to confront him face to face,” she told the Guardian.
    Although the church can “disfellowship” – expel – people for minor offences, A says her abuser was allowed to remain. “Had they discovered he was playing the lottery, he would have been disfellowshipped without question, but he admitted to them he had abused children, and he still wasn’t disfellowshipped,” A said.
    She finally reported the abuse to the police after the elders did nothing. “I came to the view that I would either try and kill myself again, run away or just go to the police.”
    He died before the police could question him about the allegation.
    The judge ruled the congregation was “either not warned at all or not adequately warned” about the risk posed by A’s abuser.
    A spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said: “Anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation … Any suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child abuse is absolutely false.”
    He added: “Congregation elders do not discourage [reports to the authorities] or shield abusers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions.”
    Another woman, Jane*, who is also suing the organisation after she was raped by a member as an adult in 1990, said she was urged to face her rapist at a private hearing known as a judicial committee. It left her “completely traumatised” and led to the breakup of her marriage, she said.
    Her attacker was eventually jailed in 2014, and she decided to sue after watching elders on the witness stand. “I thought, nobody’s taken responsibility for this. You could have held up your hands and said, ‘I’m sorry, we were in the wrong’,” Jane said. 
    The Charity Commission launched statutory inquiries into Jehovah’s Witnesses charities in May 2014. This was shortly after claims emerged that elders in the Manchester New Moston congregation held a meeting at which three adult survivors of child sex abuse were brought face to face with their abuser, shortly after his release from prison for their abuse.
    A spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said: “We are in no position to, and neither would we wish to, force any victim of abuse to confront their attacker.”
    The commission, which has the power to investigate how charity trustees handle safeguarding, launched separate inquiries into the Manchester New Moston congregation and the WTBTS, which oversees the nation’s 1,500 congregations and is believed to play a significant role in handling allegations of abuse.
    The Jehovah’s Witnesses challenged both inquiries in the courts, arguing that they would breach the trustees’ human right to religious freedom. They also challenged orders to produce documents on how they had handled allegations of sexual abuse in recent years.
    Chris Willis Pickup, head of litigation at the Charity Commission, said: “Following two years of legal proceedings in five different courts and tribunals, the supreme court has finally brought Watch Tower’s challenge to our inquiry decision to an end.”
    The commission had received only “limited information” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses, he said. The Charity Commission is encouraging anyone with similar complaints to come forward.
    While a small number of charities launch legal appeals against the commission’s decisions, the extent of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ challenges and the length of time they have gone on for are unprecedented in recent times, a spokesman for the Charity Commission confirmed.
    A’s solicitor, Thomas Beale, said: “Sadly, given our experience of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ approach to litigation in cases involving survivors of child abuse, it comes as no surprise that WTBTS has at every stage relentlessly challenged the legal basis and scope of the Charity Commission’s inquiry.
    “In our case … they adopted similar tactics, dragging our client through years of painful and distressing litigation … We have always maintained that this is a time for apologies, not appeals.”
    The Jehovah’s Witnesses said in a statement: “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse, a crime that sadly occurs in all sectors of society … We are committed to doing all we can to prevent child abuse and to provide spiritual comfort to any who have suffered from this terrible sin and crime.
    “We also see a need to protect the confidentiality of those who seek spiritual comfort. Nevertheless, we shall diligently abide by court judgments.”
    Name has been changed at the individual’s request
    - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/12/jehovahs-witnesses-under-pressure-over-handling-of-sexual-abuse-claims
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Methinks you are projecting, Allen. 
    You stated, "Your salvation is incumbent to following God’s laws and commandments"
    It was shown that the apostle Paul disagrees with you. If following God's laws and commandments would save people, there would have been no need for Jesus. Because nobody can follow God's laws and commandments properly, everyone is condemned. That's why, according to Christian doctrine, everyone needs Jesus to be saved. 
    You also stated: "The WTS has never implied they hold salvation."
    Again, three posters have provided numerous official Watchtower pronouncements demonstrating that you are mistaken. 
    You may deflect and project all you like, but it doesn't change reality.
     
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    HollyW reacted to Jack Ryan in Man whips out cellphone camera when he realizes neighborhood Jehovah’s Witness is a convicted sex offender   
    When YouTuber/Redditor Roman Vargas found out that a man named Waymon Chandler Ivery was making the door-to-door rounds as a Jehovah’s Witness in his neighborhood, he got his cellphone camera out and confronted the man.
    In 1992, Ivery was convicted of first-degree sexual assault on a child.
    According to Hermant Mehta of The Friendly Atheist, Vargas was told by a Jehova’s Witness friend a few years ago that Ivery was living in his neighborhood. In addition, a Facebook post warning the community about Ivery was also clear in Vargas’ memory, so he had little trouble identifying him.
    The prospect of a pedophile going door-to-door in his neighborhood was a bit much for Vargas, so he took action.
    As Vargas approached Ivery, the ex-convict denied the allegations at first, but soon scrambled to get in the van with his fellow Witnesses. A Witness in the van sitting to the right of Ivery put his hands in his head as if to say, “Wow, we really f*cked up.”
    Writing for JW Survey, a blog dedicated to giving a voice to former Jehovah’s Witnesses, Covert Fade points out that JWs allowing a convicted sex offender to freely knock on doors is a serious problem:
     
    No one is denying that Ivery paid his debt to society.
     “It’s one thing to forgive Ivery for his crimes. It’s another to ignore them entirely.”
    Watch the video below:
     
    http://deadstate.org/man-whips-out-cellphone-camera-when-he-realizes-neighborhood-jehovahs-witness-is-a-convicted-sex-offender/
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    HollyW reacted to Witness in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Here are few more, Ann.
    KINGDOM MINISTRY 11/90 p. 1 -  Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization:
    "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."

    WT981/11/15 p. 212  “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation” 

    MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS, pg 323 – Righteous flee to God’s Mountain-like Organization”

    Isa 57:13 – “When you cry out, let your collection of idols deliver you!  The wind will carry all of them off, a breath will take them away.  But whoever takes refuge in Me will inherit the land and possess My holy mountain.”


     

     
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    HollyW got a reaction from Witness in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Thanks for those quote, Ann.  
    It's also certainly implied in the November 15, 2013 wt:
    [w13 11/15 p.20 Study Edition] At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.
    In the simplified edition, the WTS directions are to be followed even if they sound strange or unusual, and even if JWs don't agree with them:
    [w13 11/15 p.20 Simplified Edition] At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Nope. Watchtower's own comments that contradict your claim.
    In short, nothing to do with your statement about being saved by works of law and the apostle Paul's rebuttal to that idea.
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Thirty Identifying Marks of False Christian Religions   
    Another's? It was his own religion Jesus was criticizing. 
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Didn't you read the quotes? What did I twist and manipulate? The quotes are verbatim and properly referenced so that anyone can check the wider context for themselves. They are what they are. Too bad if you don't like it.
     
    What has that to do with your statement about being saved by works of law and the apostle Paul's rebuttal to that idea (my Gal. quote and your Eph. reference)? 
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    HollyW got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Thanks for those quote, Ann.  
    It's also certainly implied in the November 15, 2013 wt:
    [w13 11/15 p.20 Study Edition] At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.
    In the simplified edition, the WTS directions are to be followed even if they sound strange or unusual, and even if JWs don't agree with them:
    [w13 11/15 p.20 Simplified Edition] At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.
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    HollyW reacted to Witness in WATCHTOWER FALSE PROPHECIES   
    "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?  These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197).


     
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    HollyW reacted to Witness in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Your obscured ideology about salvation therefore is flawed by the misapplication of scripture

    My salvation is through Christ.  The name, Watchtower Organization, claims this salvation is through them.  Is this what you believe?

    And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12

      I guess that’s why, he didn’t consider himself as the wise servant, because he was learning alongside every other Bible Student Association

    Russel said, “The Lord at the time indicated would especially use one member of his church as the channel or instrument through which he would send the appropriate messages.” WT, April 15. 1904, p. 125.

    “the Watch Tower unhesitatingly proclaims brother Russell as the faithful and wise servant.” WT 3/1/1917 p.6049

    I am sure Russel approved of this second remark, someone deemed as a faithful slave who taught misconceptions based on pyramidology and failed dates. If one is led by erring shepherds continually, and expected to change one’s perceived “truth” to fit a new understanding which is then later replaced with “truth”, the mouth that speaks in this way is held accountable.

    “I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:36,37

     Christ and the Body of Christ are the only “religion” that God approves.  Col 2:18-23 In order for the God’s anointed ones to be accepted as pure and blameless and undefiled, do you think they can do this successfully in God’s eyes by tolerating lies?  A lie is a lie, and the WT has said plenty of them.  Today, the new generation teaching is taught as truth, in order to uphold the lie of 1914.

    Can one be considered pure and blameless, holy and righteous, found without fault, by:

    accepting the lie that salvation comes from something built by man as on the same par as salvation in God himself and his Son,

    then regurgitating these lies to unsuspecting ones,

    tolerating hidden child abuse cases resulting in sheep being shunned for witnessing against an “approved” elder, who denies such an act in order to protect an “image”, AND others support him,

    allowing an elder body to expect obedience to them and not one’s only Head who is Christ?

    If we try to calculate the excuses for the scriptural reasons the GB has for a disarrayed bunch of changed documents on child abuse and how to deal with it, or how the organization is run, we lose sight of the Bible principle of love and how to apply it.  Bible principles become clear if we rely on Holy Spirit. (Ps 119:33-37 below) The false priesthood elder body have been convinced that they are guided by Holy Spirit and can confidently make wise choices.  Their track record shows otherwise. Because God’s authentic priesthood is “trampled”, so too, is any source of spirit through Christ.  Luke 9:35  There will never be success in protecting the sheep in the organization since love does not reside in darkness. Mark 12:30,31; John 8:12; 1 John 1:6

    The organization teaches little knowledge of the Body of Christ; its purpose as a priesthood is obscured.  These chosen ones’ servitude toward God is nonexistent through enforced silence by a wicked slave, thus the “Temple” lays in ruins as they allow those “uncircumcised” in heart to determine their actions, even judging their supposed spiritual outcome. Ezek 44:7,9; Rom 2:29; 1 Cor 12:12,18; Eph 4:4,16; 2:21; 1 Pet 2:5  God has allowed Satan to fabricate this captive affliction. Rev 13:10; Isa 51:14; John 8:32,36; Col 2:8; Rom 6:16 Each heart is sifted as either acceptable or unacceptable, and only a remnant will be saved.  Amos 7:1-9

     “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat,  but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”  Luke 22:31,32

    This sifting “discloses the purpose of the heart”, the desires of the natural man versus the spiritual man.    1 Cor 4:5;  Eph 2:3  Your convention this summer stressed loyalty, to both the organization that you serve and to God. And yes, the JWs serve the purpose of the organization. Is this acceptable to the Father?

    “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”  Matt 6:24  Mammon – money.  Could the WT operate without money? No, and it is your money that it operates on.  Its words to remain loyal to the organization by one’s servitude flies in the face of this scripture.  Can you see the true bible principle here?  Loyalty given the organization is idolatry. 

    “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.  Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, (1 Cor 3:16,17) proclaiming himself to be God. (Dan 11:36,37; 8:11,24,25)

     Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?  And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.  For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.  And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. (Heb 4:12; Eph 6:17; Jer 23:29)

    The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,  and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (Rev 16:13-15) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thess 2:1-12

    You are aware of the history of the organization. You are aware that in light of all the evidence of changed doctrine, failed dates for Armageddon, and the generation teaching constantly changing due to “a letter seemingly from us” (from anointed ones), “to the effect that the day of the Lord has come”, the organization is still preached as “the truth”.  What a mockery this is to God. Ezek 12:25; Deut 18:22; Mal 3:6; Isa 40:25 This strong delusion can set concretely, unmovable in the heart, or make one absolutely delirious when realizing that TRUTH is found only through Jesus Christ.

    The organization is not THE TRUTH, but instead, is THE LIE that we can choose to take pleasure in…and serve.  There is no leeway in God’s eyes concerning righteousness, unrighteousness, light and darkness. Rev 3:15,16  We can’t have both and be found acceptable to God.

    Teach me, O Lord, the way of Your statutes,
    And I shall keep it to the end.
    Give me understanding, and I shall keep Your law;
    Indeed, I shall observe it with my whole heart.
     Make me walk in the path of Your commandments,
    For I delight in it.
     Incline my heart to Your testimonies,
    And not to covetousness.
     Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things,
    And revive me in Your way.  Ps 119:33-37

    This “sifting” begins when entering the organization and submitting oneself to a wicked slave who receives spirit from the Father of the Lie.

    And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Rev 16:13

    A frog begins as an egg, turns into a tadpole, then to a frog.  The WT can captivate with a bit of truth, but as time progresses, this “truth” changes steadily, eventually becoming solid in the lie, that is still accepted as truth.  This can determined through “new light” doctrine; it can be determined by the assumption we have the "truth" when indeed it is the "lie".   From Satan’s “breath” the power of deceit is given the GB and the beast/” spirit-directed organization” which is then freely mouthed as truth. Rev 13:15-17; Rev 12:15

    For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth (Rev 1:6) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  Rev 16:14

    God sent a plague of frogs on Egypt; in the time of the end, he “sends” a spiritual plague on another “Egypt” where God’s people are held captive to a lying organization requiring one’s identity.  Rev 11:7-10; 2 Chron 18:20-22; Ezek 14:9,10; 2 Thess 9:9-12

    “For behold, I will command,
        and shake the house of Israel among all the nations
    as one shakes with a sieve,
        but no pebble shall fall to the earth.
     All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword,
        who say, ‘Disaster shall not overtake or meet us.’

    “In that day I will raise up
        the booth of David that is fallen
    and repair its breaches,
        and raise up its ruins
        and rebuild it as in the days of old,
     that they may possess the remnant of Edom
        and all the nations who are called by my name,”
        declares the Lord who does this.  Amos 9:9-12

    “The Lord will utterly destroy the tongue of the Sea of Egypt; With His mighty wind He will shake His fist over the River, And strike it in the seven streams, And make men cross over dry-shod.” Isa 11:15

    Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared.  Rev 16:2

    “See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. (Rev 3:18-22) For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, (Luke 17:22-27) much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. (Rev 18:4-8)  At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”  This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain.”  Heb 12:25-27 
    http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/05/where-is-true-religion.html


    Say what you will; I'll not respond.

     
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Never?
    *** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
    But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69.) 
    *** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***
    Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. (Revelation 7:9-17; 2 Corinthians 4:4)
    *** w85 3/1 p. 22 par. 21 Jehovah ‘Speeds It Up’ ***
    Let us point all homing “doves” to the way of “salvation” behind the protective walls of Jehovah’s organization and increase “praise” to him at its gates. 
    *** w81 11/15 p. 21 par. 18 ‘Stay Awake and Keep Your Senses’ ***
    And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a “great war cry.”
    *** w67 8/15 p. 499 par. 4 The Way to Security ***
    So the visible congregation of God’s people has something to do with the provision of salvation today. Indeed, it has an important place in that provision. Every congregation forms a small part of God’s people. We cannot remain outside the organization of God’s people, separated from it, if we want to have Jehovah’s protection.
    *** w67 8/15 p. 503 par. 19 The Way to Security ***
    If we want to assure our everlasting salvation, we must stay within the bounds of Jehovah God’s loving provision associated with his visible organization, presided over by his High Priest. 
     
     
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    HollyW reacted to Ann O'Maly in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    *Sigh* I see you've completely missed the point of Jesus and the Christian gospel.
    If salvation was incumbent to following God's laws and commandments, the biblical 'true religion' would still be Judaism and everyone would still be doomed.
    Galatians 3:10-14New Living Translation (NLT)
    10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.”[a] 11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”[b] 12 This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”[c]
    13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”[d] 14 Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised[e] Holy Spirit through faith.
    biblegateway.com
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    HollyW reacted to JW Insider in The Electronic Site for Elders   
    Elders are supposed to keep congregational matters private and confidential, or just between themselves and other elders or specific people who need to know -- until announced to the whole congregation. But yes, of course, it does happen that elder's wives will know things even before the elders do. It shouldn't happen though, and there should be consequences. There is plenty of scriptural counsel against being a "gossip" or a "busybody," and elders should have exemplary families.
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    HollyW reacted to Melinda Mills in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    Answer for Queen Esther
     
    Jesus as a man on earth was equal to Adam in all respects.
     
    (1 Timothy 2:5, 6) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all. . .
     
    (Ever studied corresponding angles in Geometry? )
     
    See comment below from Watchtower.
     
     
    *** w14 9/15 p. 26 par. 12 The Last Enemy, Death, Brought to Nothing ***
    12 As a perfect man, Jesus had prospects similar to those of Adam before he sinned. Jehovah’s purpose was to fill the earth with Adam’s perfect offspring. Hence, with deep love for his Father and for Adam’s descendants, Jesus gave up his human life in sacrifice. Yes, Jesus gave up a perfect human life that corresponded to what Adam had lost. Thereafter, Jehovah restored his Son to life as a spirit. (1 Pet. 3:18) Jehovah could justly accept the sacrifice of that one perfect man, Jesus, as a ransom, or purchase price, to buy back Adam’s family and give them the life prospects that Adam had forfeited. In a sense, Jesus took the place of Adam. Paul explains: “So it is written: ‘The first man Adam became a living person.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.”—1 Cor. 15:45.
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    HollyW reacted to Witness in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    These are not my words, and because they aren’t, you might want to retract the following comment you have made referring to the person who has kept her word.

    I see also you are trying to make a point in your large use of letters. My comment was, that the scriptures in Deuteronomy should be considered.  It was with confusion that Jackson answered the lawyer when being pressured, which proves those scriptures had not been given any consideration by the GB.  Holy Spirit would have moved them to do so and abolish their dogmatic stance of “two witnesses” in all situations by acting on compassion and guidance by Christ.  

    What you have to say is your opinion, and that is fine with me.  It still does not negate the quandary that the organization, which has built its foundation on lies, (think pyramidology and 1914, etc) now deals with, when facing the governments for their failed misrepresentation of victims. They freely use the government for their own needs to reach an end that favors the running of the instrument, but fail greatly in accepting its authority for those who need representation for offenses made against them by their own leaders.  This fact will not go away, and these facts are sins against God, who will expose them in the manner he prefers.

    My application may appear off mark only because it is by love that one can recognize how God’s sheep have suffered.  You care for logistics; I care for the sheep.  You care for an earthly corporation viewed as belonging to God, I care for Jesus’ words which say,

     “You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.  But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.  God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:22-24


     What obligation does Psalm 48:12-14 place on us? Regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about Jehovah’s organization.  W 15/7/15
    Do you see the conflict between man's words and God's?


    Worshiping in spirit is through Christ, presenting ourselves “holy and acceptable”. Rom 12:1 Worshiping in truth is through Christ. John 14:6 Worshiping through the organization is through men and their failed ability to judge in righteousness.  There is no earthly Zion. Read all of Ps 48 to see the truth about Heavenly Zion.  Heb 12:22


    “I will scatter you like chaff
        driven by the wind from the desert.
    This is your lot,
        the portion I have measured out to you, declares the Lord,
    because you have forgotten me
        and trusted in lies.
     I myself will lift up your skirts over your face,
        and your shame will be seen.
     I have seen your abominations,
        your adulteries and neighings, your lewd whorings,
        on the hills in the field.
    Woe to you, O Jerusalem!
        How long will it be before you are made clean?”  Jer 13:24-27 



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    HollyW got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?   
    I'm seeing a scales.....on one side is Adam, on the other is Jesus, and the caption is "Jesus was the equal of the perfect man Adam."  Have you ever seen it?  It's in the Live Forever book, p.63.
    On the preceding page in par.16 there is this explanation of the legal principle life given for life that is portrayed in the picture: "Because he was a perfect man, even as Adam had been, Jesus is called "the last Adam." (1 Corinthians 15:45) No human other than Jesus could have provided the ransom. This is because Jesus is the only man who ever lived that was equal to Adam as a perfect human son of God.-Psalm 49:7; Luke 1:32; 3:38."
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