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                    Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness." (Psalms 37:3)

 

Would you like to live on a Paradise Earth? Think of it. No more sickness, nor more suffering, no more death. Seems impossible doesn't it? Today, we live in a system that thrives on greed and disregarding the downtrodden. The Bible can help you make marvelous changes to you Life for the Better. You can live a quiet and peaceful Life in a world full of turmoil. When was the Last Time you had a Restful Night of Sleep? Many have been imprisoned for Studying the Bible, some tortured to death. Why? Who would want to silence those who are seeking peace? The Bibles says, "Happy are the peacemakers, since they will be called sons of God." (Matthew 5:9) So why are Christians being imprisoned for being peacemakers? The Ruler of this World is certainly a vicious one. Jesus Christ called him, 'the father of the lie' and knowing that he has a short period of time, he will target anyone and everyone who dares to Study God's Word.

True Christians are going from door to door, town to town, city to city, country to country with much opposition. Reaching your door took much effort and often times, lives were placed in harms way to bring You the Good News of God's Kingdom. Think about it. Who would hate the Good News about God's Kingdom? Satan, the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through." (2 Corinthians 4:4)

Why do so many religions reject the Good News about God's Kingdom? Why do so many religions join political systems to engage in maiming and killing one another? Who Really Controls the World? The Answer may Surprise You. "Who can conquer the world? Is it not the one who has faith that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 John 5;5)

When going door to door, True Christians would share several staples of the Lord's Prayer.

     1) True Christians would Sanctify the Father's Name by making it known. (Matthew 6:9)

     2) True Christians would Pray for God's Kingdom to come. (Matthew 6:10)

     3) True Christians would Pray the Father's Will to take place on Earth as it is in Heaven

As True Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses obey the teachings of Jesus Christ, doing the same work Jesus Christ started two thousand years ago. Jesus stated, You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ ?However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, ?so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:43-45) You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)

"Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. ?But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." (Psalms 37:9-10)

If this Personal Invitation touches Your Heart, act today and go in through the narrow gate. "Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; ?whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it." (Matthew 7:13-14)

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If Jesus is Firstborn, then he is firstbegotten.  Trinitarians claim God is Firstborn and Firstbegotten and then claim Jesus always existed.

Well... If Jesus was firstgotteon  then at one time he wasn't.   "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him." (John 1:18)

Jesus Christ is the only-begotten god.   But no man has seen God at ANY Time.....   The Father and God of our Lord Jesus Christ sends Representatives.

The Father is un- begotten ....  Tertullian in a famous debate with a modalist stated,  'Some say, the rendering of (Genesis 1:1) should read, In the Beginning God made for himself a Son.   

"In the Beginning was the Word" (John 1:1) 

20 hours ago, Brother Rando said:

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial(starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief(foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

Proverns 8:22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,       --- In the beginning was the Word  (John 1:1) 
The earliest of his achievements of long ago.                                          --- Firstborn of ALL CREATURES  (Col 1:15)
23 From ancient times I was installed,
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.
24 When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth,
When there were no springs overflowing with water.
25 Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields
Or the first clods of earth’s soil.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there;
When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters,
28 When he established the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,
When he established the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.                                ------- I was the architect at his side. I was his constant                                                                                                                            delight, rejoicing always in his presence.
I was the one he was especially fond of day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;
31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,
And I was especially fond of the sons of men.
32 And now, my sons, listen to me;
Yes, happy are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to discipline and become wise,
And never neglect it.
34 Happy is the man who listens to me                              ----Look! I am standing at the door and knocking.  (Rev 3:20)
By coming early to my doors day by day,
By waiting next to my doorposts;
35 For the one finding me will find life,
And he receives approval from Jehovah.
36 But the one who ignores me harms himself,
And those who hate me love death.”

Whose the Builder of God's Temple?  

Proverbs 9:1 True wisdom has built its house;          
It has carved out its seven pillars

As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean the angels of the seven congregations, and the seven lampstands mean the seven congregations. (Rev 3:20)

31 minutes ago, Jesus.defender said:

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial(starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief(foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

Trinitarians are double tongued.  Notice none of these definitions are about God but the one that Jehovah brought forth and begat.   God always existed and that was my point.  Thank you.

So paul is an anti-Christian?

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

No, Paul isn't anti-Christian but trianarians are by claiming these things apply to God.  When it actually applies to Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ is in the image of God, the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE.  Creatures are Created.  

" Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered."  (Hebrew 5:8)  This scripture is talking about Christ not God.  If Jesus was God then can we conclude that God learned obedience from the things he suffered?   I think not.

"During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.  Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.' (Hebrews 5:7-8)
 

Insert the trinity dogma and it gets you to deny Christ.   The pagan doctrine omits Jesus Christ.  Did God offer up supplication and petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death??  See how silly the trinity doctrine is.... 666 goes in a circle and you never get out of it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Satan and his false religions have been hiding God’s Sacred Name for 2,000 years! “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 KJV)  This scripture is not often referred to by the religious leaders of Christendom.  The scriptures go on to say, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:3 KJV)

The scriptures state what is necessary in order to be saved. “For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9)  Sadly, there are almost 2 Billion people on earth who believe in a false gospel of the trinity.   It never admits that “Jesus is Lord” nor does it make the claim that God raised Jesus up from the dead.  It promotes a false gospel of salvation.  “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (2 John 7)   Trinitarians are not Christians and Christians are not trinitarians.  The trinity is completely foreign to the Bible and can not be found in any of its’ passages.

If you looked up the trinity doctrine, you would have to close the Bible and look into apostate books that have the man-made doctrine.  The three persons have no names.  It is a generic formula borrowed and copied from pagan religions.  Jesus Christ is completely absent from the trinity doctrine.  What Can the Bible Teach Us?

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13 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Now you are going off from "firstborn" to begotten? Can we not stick to one thing at a time?.

I am....

King James Bible (Hebrew 1:6)
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The reason you don't believe Col 1:15 is that your cult rejects the Deity of Christ,  It too is a Divine Creation.... a second time from being Born Again... Something completely alien to you. That's why (Hebrews 1:6) says And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,

Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: deity, Godhead
Definition: deity, Godhead.

Why you are claiming Jesus is not Firstborn, where other angels created before him???  What scripture is that, or is that the Catholic Church Ouji Board saying that?  If you believe Jesus is God wouldn't you claim he's eternal and always existed?   Never begotten but always existed??

King James 2000 Bible
And again, when he brings the firstbegotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him.

"We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose;  because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. (Romans 8:28-29)

Claiming God is Firstborn is an untruth pushed by Anti - Christians.  God is eternal not chief, foremost, or pre-eminent.  Archangel comes from the Greek root word arche',

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial(starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief(foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

God is eternal, he has NO Initial Starting Point. If Jesus has Priority, then he is ahead of the rest. The rest of whom?  Jesus gave the wicked religious leaders that answer, he admitted to have come from among the 'gods' whom the word of God came.... 

(John 10:34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 

When Jehovah exalted his only begotten and told his angels to be in subjection to his son.  Do what he says for he has the Last Word. "But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” (Hebrews 1:6)

Let all of God's Angels do obeisance to him...  Why would God have order his Angels to Obey Jesus Christ, if Jesus Christ is God?  

It wasn't the first time either....(Exodus 23:20)  I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him. 

Didn't Jesus go to heaven and have authorities, governments, and angels made subject to him??  "Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations." (Isaiah 42:1)

Whom did Jehovah support?  Whom did Jehovah Choose?   Whom did Jehovah Approve?    "Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” (Matthew 3:17)

"Look! My servant whom I chose, my beloved, whom I have approved! I will put my spirit upon him, and what justice is he will make clear to the nations." (Matthew 12:18)

And a voice came out of the heavens: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” (Mark 1:11)

These scriptures point to Jesus Messiah-ship....  "Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." (Matthew 28:18)

Your teaching that God was GIVEN all authority in heaven and on earth is a theology error.   "For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son," (John 5:22)

You were saying that "Jesus is Jehovah" but the Father judges no one at all....   Like I said, triniaratinas are not Christians, they are Anti-Christians.  What happen to the three person god?  

Triintarians teach God begotten himself and is a Servant and was worse than then angels until an inferior gave God a Name, so God has become better then the angels simply because of the Name he inherited.  Do I simply call you Legion?  He got you hook, line, and sinker, and I see him jogging away with you in his mouth.  But this time,  I'm not chasing him or punching him to let you loose.  He is carrying you off to devour. 

Now you're adopting the spiritualistic teaching of the demons, such as incarnation?   Jehovah no longer as a Father but now is the Father in the flesh?   I think you hit your head one too many times when you worship those idols of stone and wood 

Look at what the Christ denier denies:  (Words of Jesus Christ)

"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)  "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.(John 4:23)

The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you.” (John 4:25-26)

You can't gain understanding.... "Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10)

17 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Firstborn’ (Greek: prototokos) does NOT mean ‘first-createdÂ’ (Greek: protoktisis). First-created (Protoktisis) is never used of Christ in NT.

The trinity cross has been worshiped for over 4,200 years.  What's wrong with that picture?  

 One nail can make two nail prints: Do You Know the Truth? A or B ?

On 7/1/2018 at 12:49 AM, Jesus.defender said:

anti-Christians DENY that Jesus is God, DENY the cross, DENY hell, DENY the bodily resurrection and yet still have the nerve to call themselves "Christian".

No, Anti-Christians bear a false witness against Christ.... they believe in the false theology of the trinity that rejects CHRIST.  

?So when he comes into the world, he says: “‘Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you prepared a body for me. ?You did not approve of whole burnt offerings and sin offerings.’ ?Then I said: ‘Look! I have come (in the scroll it is written about me) to do your will, O God.’” (Hebrews 10:15-7)

Trintarians reject that Christ came to do God's WILL.   "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7)

By this “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time. (Hebrews 10-10)

The scriptures don't make the claim that the body that Jesus sacrificed was taken back... 

 

This is where trintarians reject that Jesus was Begotten, they then reject that Jesus is Firstborn.  They also reject Jesus is Pre-eminent.  Notice the feminine nouns that are attributed to Christ to show he was First to be Created. "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;"

"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters,  When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water., When there were no springs overflowing with water." (Proverbs 8:22-24)  Brought forth means, made, created, begotten. always of Divine Work. (ie...deity of Christ)  

"However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Corinthians 1:24) 

Original Word: σοφία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sophia
Phonetic Spelling: (sof-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: wisdom
Definition: wisdom, insight, skill (human or divine), intelligence.

The same ones who reject Jesus as "the Christ, the son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16) Reject the "Deity of the Christ."        Strong's Concordance

Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: deity, Godhead
Definition: deity, Godhead.

"In the Beginning was the Word"  Notice beginning is attributed to whom?  THE WORD.

Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition: ruler, beginning
Definition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial(starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief(foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

Therefore, the scriptures are unified that Jesus is "a god" which refers to his Deity in John 1:1c.  

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.

"Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10)

Therefore, when the wicked hear and see these things they begin to "bark" against the Christ. "Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’ (Rev 22:16)

And such ones turn to attack the Christ through their Anti Christian Dogma.  "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7)

14 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

God is everlasting, eternal, without beginning or end. God is unchanging, infinite,  omnipresence, omniscient , self-existent, self-sufficient, immaterial and omnipotent.

Yes. God is everlasting, eternal, without beginning or end. "O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.
  Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God." (Psalms 90:1-2)

Notice that scripture doesn't state "Jesus".  Jesus wasn't always eternal since the Scriptures show the Father granted life to his Son. "For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself." (John 5:26)

Jesus was the Firstborn that was Born Again or Brought Forth Again:

 Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith: And let all the angels of God adore him. 

(1 Peter 3:21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Trintarians make the claim that 'Jesus is God".  If that was true, wouldn't Jesus and God be interchangeable in the scriptures?  Insert God into the scripture when it is talking about Jesus and see what happens.

Let's try it. "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." (Hebrews 1:4)  If Jesus is God, can we conclude that God has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs?  

How is it that God was worse than the angels until God has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs?  

Sounds something like Satan would say....   If Jesus is God, can we conclude that God is the Lamb of God?  Did God die for our sins?  Does he even realize the trinity replaces Christ with a false gospel.   Who did Satan tempt with Evil???  Jesus or God?

Can God be tempted with Evil??   

1 Corinthians 15:3
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

Rejecting Christ does not beget salvation.    

3 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Nope, He was still God, but He was also MAN. 

What scripture teaches that?  The Scripture I found says the Opposite...

"God is not a man" (Numbers 23:19 KJV)   

 

 

Researching the Catholic spurious insertion of (1 John 5:7) is actually at odds with the Catholic Trinity Doctrine.  Trinitarians proclaim the Holy Spirit is God and therefore God is a Spirit.  At first glance, I can see that reasoning, even though it is flawed, because One Person of the trinity does not make the trinity.  (ie..... The Holy Spirit is God denies the First and Second Persons if I was to accept the modalist theology of trinity.)   Another example is the claim "Jesus is God"....   then what happened to the First and Third Persons?   You can see their DILEMMA...

However, if we take the later Catholic rendition of (1 John 5:7) as INSPIRED, then are we to say that the Holy Ghost is God?  Therefore, can we conclude that God is a Ghost??   Actually, that is an Inspired Expression of the Demons.  "However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons," (1 Timothy 4:1)

The first mention of the Catholic Rendering of (1 John 5:7) was found in the MSS margins of the manuscripts in the 8th century. (It was a Side-Note) and hand written by a Catholic Priest who did not believe the current catholic trinity teaching of "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost."  The Note was removed from the MSS Margin and inserted into the scripture itself in the 12 Century!  

Note   "The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses, is a comma (a short clause) found in Latinmanuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century.[2][dubious – discuss] The first Greek manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century.[3] The comma is absent from the Ethiopic, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.[3] The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] As the comma does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages, the debate is mainly limited to the English-speaking world due to the King James Only movement." 

Ah ummm...  what you preach is not Biblical.  (Matthew 28:19 is a Catholic Forgery)   The Apostate Religion removed the Words of Jesus Christ and inserted it's own doctrine of a False Christ, which is the trinity.  The trinity opposes the teaching of Jesus Christ.  It promotes a false baptism of accepting the mark of the Beast.  His number is a man's number, 666.

Who would reject the Baptism in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ?  The Answer may surprise you. In fulfillment of prophecy Jesus stated, “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
“The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.

Peter never baptized anyone in the Name of the Father, Son, or Holy Ghost nor did anyone else, how did Peter and others baptize Believers?   The ANSWER will Blow Your Little Minds.

Peter said to them: “Repent and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit." (Act 2:38)

The Scripture that Trinitarians Falsified!

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3 hours ago, Anna said:

  13 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

Yes, WHILST ON EARTH, Jesus DID has a God the father. Would you expect Him to be an atheist? That doesnt mean He is not inferior to God the father. I know what passage you will bring up and i already have a refutation for that. Also, It does not stop Jesus from being God the son.

I find this quote interesting. I wanted to know why he changed his view from Jesus being God the Son to "Jesus is Jehovah" and he stated he never changed.  According to the trinity doctrines one person is never the other.   But I am alone in witnessing that Jesus is "the Christ, the son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16)  The same ones that scream "JESUS is GOD" don't give witness about Jesus being the Christ. I often ask the householder what trinity doctrine proclaims Jesus  being the Christ? 

Most tell me to leave and so my witness about Jesus Christ is withdrawn from the household.  We don't force salvation on anyone.  But I ask them,  Was Peter the first Pope?  Most, not all, say Yes!   Then I ask them, "Is the Pope Infallible?"   They have all stated 100% YES.

I then give in to them.  And nod my head, you know what I think, you are probably right.  So let's take a look at what Peter stated many years AFTER Jesus was Resurrected to Heaven.  Here....  tell me what you think.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," (1 Peter 1:3)   Of course, they tell me they NEVER SEEN THIS SCRIPTURE. NEVER......

I then ask, "If Jesus is God, then WHO is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"   A few ask me to come in.  Most, shout that I don't believe in Jesus Christ!  Weird isn't it?  I'm the only one sharing this verse with them about our Lord Jesus Christ and the Catholic Priests do not.  To the ones who are humble, when I return 99% never open their door ever again.

To the few who do.  I ask again.  "If Jesus is God, then WHO is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"   Nobody has even said the Trinity, or that Jesus is God.  Never, not after reading what Peter wrote.  Some have even told me Jehovah?  Yahweh?  

Let's see what the bible states.  Here, can you read this scripture for me?  “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18)

Wanna know a secret?  The trinity doctrine never states, "Jesus is God".   Jesus is ABSENT from the trinity doctrine.  It certainly never states that "Jesus is God the Son". 

Wanna know another secret??  Neither does the Bible... ANY BIBLE     The phrase "Jesus is God"  OR  "Jesus is God the SON" is ABSENT.  Matter of fact, where is our Lord Jesus Christ in the trinity doctrine?  And they call me brainwashed??  

How is it that the Son is now the Father??  When the trinity doctrine claims the Son is NOT the Father....  oh well.... When I walk away from that household, the Angel of Salvation comes with me.  The Angel who pardons sins also grants salvation.... this Angel is the ego' eimi    "For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve," (Acts 27:23 KJV)  eg? eimi

All of a sudden, the same people who claim the Pope and the KJV is infallible, choose not to believe?   "So, then, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?" (Galatians 4:16)

 

 

 

 

 

@Jesus.defender

44 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

If you have already elaborated on this, I missed it. I have appreciated some of your views that include political references because they are much more astute than those of any average U.S. or Western-allied citizen who is dependent on corporate media such as FOX News, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc., which have very little truth value. Of course, not that it matters whether I agree with you, but you have a very interesting take on Bible prophecy. I don't believe "predictions" based on Bible knowledge hardly ever come true. I believe that events will reveal Bible truth in time, of course, but I don't believe that anyone who points to a future fulfillment tied to "the times and seasons" will ever be right except by coincidence.

So, because I am a complete skeptic, you can probably see through my motive. I would like you to explain what you mean by "such an enemy will rear its ugly head in Texas during the Fall"? If I am still participating on this forum in the Winter, I'd be happy to discuss what had likely gone wrong with your prediction about the Fall. Because it will likely prove Jesus correct again when he states that the times and seasons are in the Father's jurisdiction. Of course, I'm not picking on you. I believe such predictions from ANYONE ( @Brother Rando, @Israeli Bar Avaddhon, The Watchtower, or from anywhere else) are "wrong" for Biblical reasons.

If you are willing to provide a few more specifics, it will make this discussion easier sometime after December 22, 2018. I want to make sure that "during the Fall" refers to 2018, and doesn't mean during the Fall of Babylon.

Armageddon is actually not a place but a condition or situation. "Why are the nations agitated and the peoples muttering an empty thing?  The kings of the earth take their stand And high officials gather together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one." (Psalms 2:1-2)

"Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. " (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

All the nations that are made up the earthly kingdoms or governments.  Jesus taught us to pray for his Father's Kingdom to come.  What will it do??   "In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever," (Daniel 2:44) 

Since 1914 the following prophecy has been undergoing fulfillment: (Rev 16:13)  And I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. 15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon.

Actually its Spiritual, the second death is symbolized by the lake of fire which represents everlasting destruction. Those outside our inner rooms will simply die off and those who have gained a favorable position with the King are granted Life.  That means they simply keep on living. The ones counted righteous simply outlive the wicked.  "For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there." (Psalms 37:9-10) 

In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” (Rev 7:13)

So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (Rev 7:14) 

Take care,

Brother Rando
 

WHen trinitarians can’t show a scripture of three separate persons make up one God, they then switch to Modalism, saying “Jesus is God”. The trinity is like a three legged stool. Remove one leg and the trinity comes tumbling down.

So they hurl insults and accusations. When the teaching of the demons get expose, they tend to taunt, scream, and hurl accusations. But very soon they will be abyssed. So now let’s carry on to John 1:1c.

Other translations:

1808: “and the Word was a god” – Thomas Belsham The New Testament

1822: “and the Word was a god” – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)

1829: “and the Word was a god” – The Monotessaron;

1863: “and the Word was a god” – A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)

1864: “and a god was the Word” – The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)

1867: “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” – The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible

1879: “and the Word was a god” – Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)

1885: “and the Word was a god” – Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885)

1911: “and the Word was a god” – The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911)

1935: “and the Word was divine” – The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago

1955: “so the Word was divine” – The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.

1956: “In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity” – The Wuest Expanded Translation[16]

1958: “and the Word was a god” – The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed” (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

1970, 1989: “…and what God was, the Word was” – The Revised English Bible
1975 “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word” – Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany

1975: “and the Word was a god” – Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);

1978: “and godlike sort was the Logos” – Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin

2017: “In the origin there was the Logos, and the Logos was present with GOD, and the Logos was god;” – The New Testament: A Translation, by David Bentley Hart.[18]

John 1:1c is rendered in the feminine sense relating to Christ divinity. Words like Deity, Divine, Wisdom, Beginning are all feminine nouns that describe Christ’s Divinity as a Divine Creation.   To request a free home Bible Study click here.

Bible scholars proclaim that theos can only be rendered in the Masculine Sense but is that 'the truth"??

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.

Jesus admitted of coming from the 'gods' which the Word of God was sanctified and came.   Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:34-36)     

You still haven't produced one simple scripture that states, Jesus is God?  Where is it??  Is that why you changed your stance that Jesus is Jehovah?  No scripture of that either. .....  Nor can you show one in Your Pagan Doctrines...  

4 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:

The Bible also says there is ONE God. DEUTERONOMY 6:4, DEUTERONOMY 4:35,39, DEUTERONOMY 32:39, 2 SAMUEL 7:22, 1 KINGS 8:60, 2 KINGS 5:15 , 2 KINGS 19:15,  NEHEMIAH 9:6,  PSALM 18:31 ( Which also states Jesus is God ),  PSALM 86:1, ISAIAH 37:16,20, ISAIAH 43:10,11, ISAIAH 44:6,8, ISAIAH 45:21, ISAIAH 46:9, HOSEA 13:4, MARK 12:29-34, ROMANS 3:30, 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4-6, 1 TIMOTHY 2:5.

None of those state that Jesus is God.  Why are you lying?  Oh... I remember the Scripture on why you are lying.  "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son" (1 John 2:22)

See how your true colors come out when you teach that Jesus is God?  You publicly denied the Father and the Son. You keep denying that Jesus is the Christ, that is why I say you are dying the second death.  Only those hurl into Gehenna begin to weep and gnash their teeth. Today, I am happy to report this prophecy has come true for you.  "Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things.  The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness,  and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be." (Matthew 13:40-42)

See that, the Son of Man sends his angels to collect you and because you have been pitched into the fiery furnace, your weeping and gnashing of teeth has begun.  You are being brought to Nothing.... "Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence" (2 Thess 2:8)    

Jesus is not God nor is he ALL KNOWING as you claim.  According to Jesus' own teaching... he states, "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36)  Geez... claiming Jesus is All knowing has been exposed by by the spirit of his mouth, but I NEVER met an honest trinitarian... they all lie and twist in the same manner of their father who Jesus called the Father of the LIE.  You sure work hard in denying the Christ.

120 verses say 'Jesus is God"???   I was asking for just one....  AND I'M STILL Waiting.....   just one would suffice...  You know if you stop hiding your religion I can tell you which trinity you believe in.  But I think I probably got it down pretty accurate.  Baptists claim to be trinitarians but when they can't show a scripture of three separate persons make up God, they switch to the other heretical teaching of modalism.  They drop the Father and Holy Spirit.... why would you jump out of the frying pan into the fire?? 

Jesus was begotten, so at one time he never was... all the angels existed before the Abraham.  Where is the scripture that states Jesus is the I AM that I AM????   None of the trinities state that either....  This follow verse was written 96 CE 63 years after Jesus ascended to Heaven. "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him," (Rev 1:1)

Whose this angel with glory?? "After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory." (Rev 18:1)

If Jesus is God, then who gave him this authority? An Angel??  "Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." (Matthew 28:18) 

Why do trinitarians claim Jesus is Co-equal to his Father, then claim in the same breath that Jesus is God??   I mean if Jesus is God?  Then who would be Co-equal with him??   Another God???  "the Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28)   I never found the word Co-Equal in ANY SCRIPTURE.  Are you know going to claim that when a couple gets married they actually become in flesh in a literal sense??   They don't work together as a team for one purpose??  What about John 17:22 when Jesus prayed to his Father... ooppps...  Why did Jesus pray?  Didn't he know his OWN THOUGHTS??   I wonder if he knew what he was going to ask himself to do??  lol  Round and round we go... but you're not coming out.... you're stuck.... 

Could the trinity doctrine be your golden calf??    If Jesus is God, then who raised him from the DEAD??   

 

 

 

 

 

@Jesus.defender None of your verses say that Jesus is God.  If so, the account would read something like this. When God was 12 years old, God got lost. God's Parents were stricken with worry and panic. Three days later God's Parents found God in his House. God's Parents rebuked God for worrying them. 

The Delusional Trinity claims each separate persons in the trinity is God by himself.

It then lists God the Father to be God, that's one god, then  God the Son to be God to be a second god, then God the holy Spirit to be God, a third god.

Isn't listing the three separate persons each as God a contradiction?  It then goes to say the Father is NOT the Son, the Son is Not the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit the Father or the Son.

However a trinitarian  would not claim that Jesus is God but rather that Jesus is the second person of the trinity. But if they said that, they would nullify their own doctrine because the trinity excludes Christ because it denies Christ, it's an Anti-Christian doctrine. This is the Catholic trinity... nothing Christian about But it get worse.  The trinitarian of the 2nd to 4th Century condemn  Sabellianism  has HERESY...

                                                                     

                                                                   The person on the board claiming to be a Jesus Defender, actually worships the Celtic trinity.  It's a hybrid of the trinity and modalism/sabellaism   Sabellianism the modalistic doctrines of Sabellius, 3rdentury prelate, especially that the Trinity has but one divine essence and that the persons are only varying manifestations of God not really persons.   Also called Modalistic Monarchianism. — Sabellian, n.,adj.  NOTICE the doctrines totally omit Jesus Christ from them!  How is the Celtic trinity represented by the one so-called Jesus Defender is claiming?  The three parts are symbolized  by three interlocking 666's.  Its called the circle of confusion. because this demonic teaching denies Jesus Christ at all angles and you go around and around like a dog or snake chasing its own tail, always CHANGING but never coming to an accurate knowledge of Christ.   It is also called the Celtic Knot, the snake has him engulfed and has a deathly strangle hold of him robbing his life little by little...... It simply denies Christ altogether by claiming Jesus is God all by himself.  Some say Jesus is Jehovah and they slam Holy Spirit in rejecting it totally.  Speaking against Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.  

Jubilee Bible 2000
And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him, but whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, neither in the age to come.

The verse for salvation is so so simple. "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)   Notice his claims about Jesus is that he is God ....  and he certainly doesn't believe God raised him up from the dead because he claims Jesus is God.

Teaching the Son is the Father is also a LIE... "Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 9)

 

 

 

@Jesus.defender Well Sir. You have no understanding because you have been counted 'wicked' and have already took the number of the beast.  .  

Jesus never claims to be the I AM THAT I AM... The "I am" is God's Representative.  I'm not witnessing to you for you to gain salvation but rather that the 'wicked' be counted as wicked so the righteous can go on living on a paradise Earth as you are being Destroyed.  "Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." (Psalms 37:10-11)

The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it."(Psalms 37:29)  

God is a title that can assigned in the Godhead. The Godhead is not a person nor it is in the trinity doctrine.  The Godhead is a Divine Arrangement of Authority,  Jesus is the Word of God and called the Great Prophet, Paul also referred to himself as the I AM also and so did the angel Gabriel.

"I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21)

If God  is "I AM that I AM" then who is the angel that appeared to Moses in the burning Bush.  Have you never read that No Man has Seen God at any time except his only begotten son??  If the angel would contain God's Name with in him, would that be "I am" ?  God's Name is Jehovah and God made Jesus Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)  Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation" .... my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21)

Jesus is the Lord, the Angel of God's Presence, the one to inspect the Temple. "Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." (Malachi 3:1 Darby)  

The wicked have no understanding. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it." (Matthew 23:37)
 

To reject Jesus Christ as the Angel of God’s Presence you would have to reject this scripture, the Word of God.  “In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the Angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bore them and carried them all the days of old.” (Isaiah 63:9 Darby)

1) You would have to reject that Jesus Christ was afflicted with our sins.

2) You would have to reject that Jesus Christ is our Salvation.

3) You would have to reject that Jesus Christ loved us or felt pity for us.

4) You would have to reject that Jesus Christ is our Redeemer.

5) You would have to reject that Jesus Christ died for our sins once and for all time.

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him” (Exodus 23:20-21 KJV)

Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.” (Luke 9:35)   Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life. 

Jesus when translated means ‘Jehovah is Salvation’. “For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’” (Matthew 23:39)  Learn the truth about Jehovah’s Witnesses.

"Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10)  Those counted wicked are already dying the second death for denying Jesus as 'the Christ, the son of the living God' (Matthew 16:16)

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" I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’” (Rev 16:16)  You're no Christian but an IMPOSTOR.   "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." (Hebrews 1:4)  If I was to believe your false theology that Jesus is God, then can we conclude that God  has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs??  The snake is still twisting scripture. So God was worse than the angels until an angel gave God a Name?  Koo koo for Coco Puffs...

"And though my physical condition was a trial for you, you did not treat me with contempt or disgust; but you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus" (Galatians 4:14)