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    BroRando got a reaction from xero in Imagine if John 1:1 was rendered correctly...   
    And that is the point I was trying to draw out. If we are going to use the third clause to identify whom the Word was, there are more accurate ways. No matter what identity is used, it is not totally accurate in the sense that the third clause is supposed to be used to express the Word's divinity.
    Examples of identity could be one the following;
    and the word was a god and the word was godlike and the word was a messenger and the word was a son and the word was the son of God and the word was of God  
    Examples of divinity are in the feminine sense
    and the word was Divine and the word was a deity and the word was a god Strong's Concordance theos: God, a god Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
    Transliteration: theos
    Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
    Definition: God, a god
    Usage: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.
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    BroRando got a reaction from xero in Imagine if John 1:1 was rendered correctly...   
    I see your point. I never came across a true literal translation. I don't think none exist. But if there was such a thing, the only fair thing to do is a literal translation without articles, capitalization and punctuation. Also the third clause was flipped but did not change the meaning from earlier translations. A literal translation often is cold and gives no meaning. Not only do we speak with words but we tend to emphasis our words with Capitalization, articles and punctuation!
    The reason why we know the introduction of John is speaking about Michael is because of the meaning of Michael's name. The third clause is not speaking of the Logos identity but rather his qualitive sense. Case in point. Michael means "who is like God"? or "who is godlike"? We also know the qualitive sense of the Logos is divine.
    Following comes from Our Research of the Logos: Quote-
    1808 “and the word was a god”
    The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
    1864 “and a god was the Word”
    The Emphatic Diaglott (J21, interlinear reading), by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.
    1935 “and the Word was divine”
    The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
    1950 “and the Word was a god”
    New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, Brooklyn.
    1975 “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word”
    Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany.
    1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos”
    Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.
    1979 “and a god was the Logos”
    Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Jürgen Becker, Würzburg, Germany.
     
    These translations use such words as “a god,” “divine” or “godlike” because the Greek word θεός (the·osʹ) is a singular predicate noun occurring before the verb and is not preceded by the definite article. This is an anarthrous the·osʹ. The God with whom the Word, or Logos, was originally is designated here by the Greek expression ὁ θεός, that is, the·osʹ preceded by the definite article ho. This is an articular the·osʹ.
    Careful translators recognize that the articular construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas a singular anarthrous predicate noun preceding the verb points to a quality about someone. Therefore, John’s statement that the Word or Logos was “a god” or “divine” or “godlike” does not mean that he was the God with whom he was. It merely expresses a certain quality about the Word, or Logos, but it does not identify him as one and the same as God himself. -End of Quote
    Anyways what about giving the reader the most accurate translation as possible with the most correct rendering of meaning and inserting a footnote to the reason why it was done that way?
    "In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was Divine*." * The third clause is not speaking of the Logos identity but rather his qualitive sense. Case in point. Michael means "who is like God"? or "who is godlike"? and that qualitive sense of the Logos is Divine. I'm sure with a multitude of counselors, one should be able to find a scripture full of truth and the one reading it could be moved to exclaim, this is the truth!  A scripture so accurate and convincing that the reader could not be swayed.  Even the footnote itself should be written in a way that it would support without question. See what you can come up with?
     
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Another Scripture that awaits to be seen in the light… (Isaiah 9:6)   
    For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Angel of Great Counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. (Isaiah 9:6) This scripture easily links to (Proverbs 8:35-36) & (Judges 13:18)
    His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: upon the throne of David, and his kingdom, to establish it, and to support with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. The seal of Jehovah of hosts shall perform this. (Isaiah 9:7)
    Notice that the Angel of Great Counsel would bring Peace to those who take heed, but he would bring righteous judgement to those who refuse to listen or obey him. “I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him.” (Exodus 23:20-21)
    There is much to research, but it would be repetitive. Look at the two scriptures:
    For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Angel of Great Counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. Isaiah 9:6 (LXX) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) After reviewing both scriptures, one can easily assert how the KJV came about in removing the Angel of Great Counsel and then deleting for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him and replacing it with Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. It’s a substitution trying to appease the scripture that was removed, for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. Three “the”s were added to the text at a latter time by KJV translators. Looking at the Hebrew text itself, you will not find them listed because they don’t exist. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-6.htm
    Daniel 12:1 states Michael the Great Prince would stand up which indicates the real scripture at Isaiah 9:6 LXX which says, “I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him” would be more accurate instead of the three titles Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace that replaced it. The following scripture fits like a glove. “Look! A king will reign for righteousness, And princes will rule for justice. And each one will be like a hiding place from the wind, A place of concealment from the rainstorm, Like streams of water in a waterless land, Like the shadow of a massive crag in a parched land.” (Isaiah 32:1-2) Anyways, didn’t Jesus tell his Disciples ‘not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One’? (Matthew 23:9)
    Now if you noticed, Great Prince is set up by the definite article “the” which provides emphasis. But in Isaiah 9:6 KJV, there is only one definite article in referring to the government which would be God’s Kingdom. Isaiah 9:6 contains the indefinite article “a” for “a child” and “a son“. If the truth be told, really the prophecy at Isaiah and the Old Testament in it’s entirety is referring to Michael the Archangel. Archangel means Chief Messenger.
    Michael is the one given the name (Philippians 2:9-11, Hebrews 1:4, Acts 4:12) Michael is the beginning of creation (John 1:1, Col 1:15, Rev 3:14, Rev 22:16) Michael and his angels fight against Satan (Daniel 10:13, Daniel 10:21, Daniel 12:1, Jude 1:9, Zechariah 3:2, Joshua 5:14, Exodus 23:20-21, Rev 18:1, Rev 12:7-9) Michael is the one who abysses Satan (Rev 20:1, Rev 9:11, Luke 8:31, 1 Cor 10:10) Not only is Michael named the Angel of Great Counsel but also called by the name The Word of God. (Rev 19:11-13, Rev 1:13-15,) Michael speaks in behalf of his Father as his personal messenger [angel] (Exodus 3:2, Acts 7:30, Isaiah 49:2, Rev 1:14-16, Matthew 17:2, Act 9:3, Acts 16:13, Acts 27:23)  
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    BroRando got a reaction from Pudgy in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Again no scriptures. You learned from your apostate friends.  You'll be removed from the Congregation soon enough.  Maybe you already have?
    You're not a Jehovah Witness. Trying to fool Holy Spirit will not go well for you.   But Peter said: “An·a·niʹas, why has Satan emboldened you to lie to the holy spirit and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? (Acts 5:3)
    You have certainly been embolden by Satan, but your pride blinds you and now the drifting away begins because you can't see the unseen things.
    2 Corinthians 4:18
    while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting.
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    BroRando got a reaction from C-D67 in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Ahhhh... so you are admitting you are on the outside of our inner rooms.   Looking for a way to sneak in?  It won't work. 
    Hebrews 10:26  For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, 27  but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition.
    Hebrews 6:4 For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit 5  and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things,* 6  but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from C-D67 in Presence of Christ Foretold (2x) 29 CE & 1914 CE   
    Presence of Christ Foretold (2x) 29 CE & 1914 CE
     
    Prophecies often unfold with two fulfilments. The first revealing of a prophecy is often referred to as a minor or physical fulfillment. The second revealing is referred to as a major or spiritual fulfillment on a much grander scale. Prophecies often are intertwined with other prophecies undergoing fulfillment and can overlap one another. However, each prophecy has a beginning and an end. They cover a specific period of time. 
    The Prophet Daniel foretold the coming of the first presence of the Messiah.  Not only did he pinpoint the year that the Messiah would show up but also pinpointed to the year of the Messiah’s death.  According to the first-century historian Flavius Josephus, the nation of the Jews began looking for the Messiah in the second quarter of the first century. Some of the Jews were asking questions about the Messiah’s forerunner. Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?” (Luke 3:15) 
    Daniel foretold the coming of the Messiah, so some were in expectation of the Christ. Daniel indicates this prophecy would cover over a period of 70 weeks. Seven days in a week so each week represents a 7 year period. 7 x 70 weeks = 490 days. Apply a day for a year.  A total of 490 years from the word going out in 455 BCE.
    Daniel then discusses the time period leading to the arrival of “Messiah the Leader”. He mentions “7 weeks, also 62 weeks”—a total of 69 weeks. So 7 x 69 = 483 years were to pass before the Messiah would appear on the scene. Another interesting feature of this prophecy is that Daniel broke up the 70 weeks into 3 sections. The 7 weeks would represent the word going out for 49 years. The 62 weeks represent a time period of another 434 years making it a total of 483 years to pass before the fulfillment would be realized. The final week is the 70th week that would bring us to 29 CE as the final week.  Jesus was about 30 years old when he presented himself for baptism to commence the work his God and Father had given him to do. 
    But the last week, the 70th week, represents a seven year period. The last of the 490 years. So this time limit is from 29 CE to 36 CE.  Daniel goes on prophesying about the time that the Messiah be cut off. “And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself.” (Daniel 9:24)  What was the 3rd section of his prophecy?  The last week which was after the 62 weeks. He was speaking about the 70th week, the time period of 29 CE to 36 CE. “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.” (Daniel 9:27) Jesus was put to death at the half of that week on Nisan 14th, 33 CE causing sacrifice and gift offering to cease. 
    Daniel also announced the Conclusion or the Last Days of the Jewish System of things. “And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.” (Daniel 9:27)  Does this scripture sound familiar for our day? The Jewish System of things was brought to its end in 70 CE with the Destruction of the Temple.
    We can learn much from digging into scripture how Jehovah did things in the past by the means of his chosen messengers.  My favorite is learning the things from His Chief Messenger Jesus Christ and how modest and humble he actually was. He was considered a ‘perfect reflection’ of his God and Father, Jehovah. It’s my hope that you get to know Jesus Christ as I have come to know him.  Matter of fact, our lives depend on it. Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
    In answer to the question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Jesus Christ himself stated; “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36)
    However, in the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy did point to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year 1914 CE.
    Jesus eloquently gave a plethora of signs that made up a Composite Sign that would occur in marking when his second presence would occur. “Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified. For these things must take place first, but the end will not occur immediately.” Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.” (Luke 21:9-11) “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)
     
    Jesus Christ's Presence would not be fleshly but an invisible one, since he plainly gave his faithful followers signs to look for, his return would come in three phases.
    The greek word parousía is translated “presence”  The greek word epipháneia is translated “manifestation”  The greek word apokálypsis is translated “revelation”   
    Since 1918 the epipháneia or epiphany are the manifestations of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory. These manifestations are the signs causing all the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in lamentation or grief. (Rev 1:7)  It’s not a future event but these manifestations are happening now and you are feeling them today. The end is not the end of the world as most think but rather the end of the last days that began in 1914. The end of an age of wickedness.
    After Jesus admitted of not knowing the hour or date of his presence and the conclusion of a system of things, he stated, “For just as the days of Noah were, so the Presence of the Son of man will be.” (Matthew 24:37)  The Last Days of Noah were assigned an allotment of time and when that time limit expired, so did the wicked. Notice Jesus did not say he would return in the flesh but stated just as the days of Noah were, so the Presence of the Son of man will BE!  People took no note until they were swept away. 
    The days of Noah were 120 years in length. (Genesis 6:3) Could the last days be ‘a conclusion of the system of things’?  Yes it can.  The earth itself is not destroyed, however the revelation phase is poised to begin as the sheep or faithful followers of Jesus Christ are marked for survivorship to keep on living into Christ’s Millennial Reign as the wicked die off. The wicked die a permanent death like that of Adam and Eve and they may even complain why those who have been Named after the true God keep on living without sickness or illnesses. The Bible explains this time period of the final phase in this manner. “All the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah’s name has been called upon you, and they will be afraid of you.” (Deuteronomy 28:10) There will be no need to preach to those who have been counted wicked after the Last Days have concluded. They have been abandoned. So the Last Days have a beginning (1914) and an end to them (2034).  So how is it that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the angels did not know the hour and date?
     
     It’s all about timing. 
    Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand.” (Daniel 12:9-10)
    “It was revealed to them that they were ministering, not to themselves, but to you, regarding what has now been announced to you by those who declared the good news to you with holy spirit sent from heaven. Into these very things, angels are desiring to peer.” (1 Peter 1:12)
    The sealing of the 144,000.pdf  or read online @ https://en.calameo.com/read/006657809802ddcc1ef25
     
     
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    BroRando reacted to lentaylor71 in Presence of Christ Foretold (2x) 29 CE & 1914 CE   
    Genesis 6:3 was reduced to 120 years because of v 4,5,6,7" so Jehovah said: "Iam going to wipe men (Inteded to lived for 120 years)whom I have created off the surface of the groud.
    Because vers 11,12 13., the earth was full of violence.
    In the prayer of Moses, the man of the true God said at Psalm 90:" The span of our life is 70 years , or 80 if one is especially strong."
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    No. Gog of Magog (Satan's Entire Political System of things) is destroyed in the First Phase of Armageddon. Then, Jehovah's People will be protected during this period of a thousand years for several reasons.
    “No more will there be an infant from that place who lives but a few days, Nor an old man who fails to live out his days. For anyone who dies at a hundred will be considered a mere boy, And the sinner will be cursed, even though he is a hundred years of age." (Isaiah 65:20)  "All the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah’s name has been called upon you, and they will be afraid of you." (Deuteronomy 28:10) "They will not cause any harm Or any ruin in all my holy mountain, Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah As the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah 11:9) As for the second Phase of Armageddon, Jehovah will destroy Gog and Magog with LITERAL fire and consume the rebels after the 1,000 years. "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea." (Rev 20:7-8)
    So....after the 1,000 years, does Gog and Magog (Rebels) die off. They die the second death as Adam and Eve did, but they do not die off little by little, but rather they are destroyed literally for all to SEE. "But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them." (Rev 20:9)
    So what the difference?  Jehovah destroyed Adam and Eve in the day of a thousand years he allotted them to produce offspring. "So all the days of Adam’s life amounted to 930 years, and then he died." (Genesis 5:5)
    Those who die during Christ's Millennial Reign are brought to nothing because Jehovah promised, "they will not cause any harm Or any ruin in all my holy mountain."
    But after the 1,000 years, the judgment day has concluded and Jesus 'hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.' (1 Corinthians 15:24)  
    Therefore, anyone rejecting Jehovah's Sovereignty will be destroyed literally. "But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them." (Rev 20:9)
     
    Summary:
    During the first phase, under the direction of Jesus, angels will “separate the wicked from among the righteous” and destroy them. (Mt 13:40-42, 49)  Those alive who are 'wicked' when the Great Tribulation begins, die off.  Whether the 70 or 80 years of lifespan are cut down in the same manner when Jesus destroyed unfaithful Israel to 40 years in the wilderness is possible, but we do not know. Not everyone will be the age of zero but may be of all ages even 80 or older.  At any rate, their death could be sped up if they try to do harm to the Great Crowd. That would definitely speed up their death... instead of dying off.
    However, before the second phase of destruction begins. Jesus 'hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.' (1 Corinthians 15:24)  Since Jesus and the 144,000 brought mankind to Perfection in the manner that Adam and Eve had it, prior to sinning. Such one's will have the prospect of everlasting life.
    The sad thing is, they (Gog and Magog) choose to follow in the same footsteps of Adam and Eve and rebel with the result being catastrophic and instant.  It's JEHOVAH himself that destroys them before an audience of Earthy and Heavenly Subjects. 
    After all, isn't Armageddon associated with fire and the second death?  To claim the wicked will not be destroyed after the 1,000 years have ended would be in error.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    I know you lack understanding because you have already been mislead and held captive. 
    Jehovah’s Witnesses long ago stated in their publication Studies in the Scriptures, Volume IV: “We are not to expect any gathering of the people literally to the Hill of Megiddo.”
    Historical Megiddo suggests a cornered condition, or situation, with no escape for the enemies of God. Thus, at Armageddon, God will make certain that all corruption and wickedness, no matter where it may be found on this globe, is crushed out of existence.—Revelation 21:8.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Ahhhh... so you are admitting you are on the outside of our inner rooms.   Looking for a way to sneak in?  It won't work. 
    Hebrews 10:26  For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, 27  but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition.
    Hebrews 6:4 For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit 5  and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things,* 6  but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Again no scriptures. You learned from your apostate friends.  You'll be removed from the Congregation soon enough.  Maybe you already have?
    You're not a Jehovah Witness. Trying to fool Holy Spirit will not go well for you.   But Peter said: “An·a·niʹas, why has Satan emboldened you to lie to the holy spirit and secretly hold back some of the price of the field? (Acts 5:3)
    You have certainly been embolden by Satan, but your pride blinds you and now the drifting away begins because you can't see the unseen things.
    2 Corinthians 4:18
    while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Now, this imposter uses No Scripture to support her wrong opinion. and claims she is humble.  Yet, when the Apostle Paul pointed out that Peter stood condemned.. Peter did not condemn Paul but called him a beloved brother. Peter did not make a false accusation and claim Paul personally slandered him. Just like Satan, you refuse to be corrected and now fighting against Holy Spirit. I will not stop you. Go ahead if your pride is that important to you.
    Galatian 2:11  However, when Ceʹphas came to Antioch, I resisted him face-to-face, because he was clearly in the wrong.* 12  For before certain men from James arrived, he used to eat with people of the nations; but when they arrived, he stopped doing this and separated himself, fearing those of the circumcised class.t 13  The rest of the Jews also joined him in putting on this pretense, so that even Barʹna·bas was led along with them in their pretense. 14  But when I saw that they were not walking in step with the truth of the good news, I said to Ceʹphas before them all: “If you, though you are a Jew, live as the nations do and not as Jews do, how can you compel people of the nations to live according to Jewish practice?”
    2 Peter 3:15  Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16  speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant* and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    I have no need to slander you.  But your weeping and gnashing of teeth give spiritual evidence of what is happening to up. You can cry and scream all you want, it won't change a single thing. 
    "Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be." (Matthew 13:40-42)
    Not according to scripture. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8)
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    She's not a sister but an impostor.   
    She doesn't even know that Jesus was Crowned in 1914 to become King of God's Kingdom. She also rejected that the Last Days are coming to their End.  She refused to stand up to the apostates when JEHOVAH was being slandered.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Since the Last Days of 1914 are in reference to Satan's System of things... then the Birth Pains represent a New System of things being ushered in.  Those on the outside will not be able to escape the destruction.  
    The period of time leading up to the end of the system of things, or state of affairs, dominated by Satan. It runs concurrently with Christ’s presence. Under the direction of Jesus, angels will “separate the wicked from among the righteous” and destroy them. (Mt 13:40-42, 49) Jesus’ disciples were interested in the timing of that “conclusion.” (Mt 24:3) Before his return to heaven, he promised his followers that he would be with them until that time.—Mt 28:20.
    Armageddon is spiritual and commences when Jesus and angels will “separate the wicked from among the righteous” and destroy them. (Mt 13:40-42, 49)
    It took Jesus a period of 40 years to remove unfaithful Israel from the living and lay them in the dust and during this time, they were well fed and their clothes did not even wear out. Yet, they did not know that they were being destroyed. "Neither be murmurers, as some of them murmured, only to perish by the destroyer." (1 Cor 10:10)
    Now after the 1,000 years, the scriptures state, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea.  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them." (Rev 20:7-9)
    Now that's LITERAL. The same ones that think Armageddon is Literal and flesh will fall off the bone and the wicked will simply melt away in a literal fire will be claiming Jehovah's Day is delaying. But such ones are in danger of being destroyed also. For them, they have "No Faith".
    ‘But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,’ and, ‘if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.’” (Hebrews 10:36-38) If Armageddon is literal from the start, then faith would not be needed to be exercised.  
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    BroRando got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    "As early as in the year 1876, in an article that he submitted for publishing in The Bible Examiner, the president had pointed forward to 1914 as the date for “the times of the Gentiles” to end, with serious consequences for the whole world of mankind."
    Back in 1876, only a few people were listening. A good number left his Bible study group.  However, has time was getting closer then more started to gain understanding.  In the Bible Students Monthly, on January, 1914, Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference."
    "Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to that period before the Flood, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."
    And we seen evidence of this even in 2022 on this very board.  They reject and deny that the Last Days have begun. When we preach and let people know we are now at the end of this period, people scoff and ridicule us, majority of those being religious hypocrites!  Denying the very Name of JEHOVAH or sat idly by while apostates were slandering. 
    Notice he didn't write Second Coming, but rather 'Second Presence'? Brother Russell was speaking of Christ's PAROUSIA--PRESENCE. He continues, "The Bible nowhere tells that Jesus took the human nature to keep it forever, and to return with it to Heaven, where it would be completely out of order and out of place. The Bible teaches, on the contrary, that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:50); and that Jesus was made flesh merely 'that He, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man' (Heb 2:9) and that after doing this work He would "ascend up where He was before." (John 6:62) The great Day of Trouble, noted throughout the Scriptures as the Time of Trouble such as never was since there was a nation, will come upon them suddenly."

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    BroRando got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Since the Last Days of 1914 are in reference to Satan's System of things... then the Birth Pains represent a New System of things being ushered in.  Those on the outside will not be able to escape the destruction.  
    The period of time leading up to the end of the system of things, or state of affairs, dominated by Satan. It runs concurrently with Christ’s presence. Under the direction of Jesus, angels will “separate the wicked from among the righteous” and destroy them. (Mt 13:40-42, 49) Jesus’ disciples were interested in the timing of that “conclusion.” (Mt 24:3) Before his return to heaven, he promised his followers that he would be with them until that time.—Mt 28:20.
    Armageddon is spiritual and commences when Jesus and angels will “separate the wicked from among the righteous” and destroy them. (Mt 13:40-42, 49)
    It took Jesus a period of 40 years to remove unfaithful Israel from the living and lay them in the dust and during this time, they were well fed and their clothes did not even wear out. Yet, they did not know that they were being destroyed. "Neither be murmurers, as some of them murmured, only to perish by the destroyer." (1 Cor 10:10)
    Now after the 1,000 years, the scriptures state, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea.  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them." (Rev 20:7-9)
    Now that's LITERAL. The same ones that think Armageddon is Literal and flesh will fall off the bone and the wicked will simply melt away in a literal fire will be claiming Jehovah's Day is delaying. But such ones are in danger of being destroyed also. For them, they have "No Faith".
    ‘But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,’ and, ‘if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.’” (Hebrews 10:36-38) If Armageddon is literal from the start, then faith would not be needed to be exercised.  
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    BroRando got a reaction from Peter Carroll in The Abyssment of Satan is coming...   
    "During that time {Jesus Christ} will stand up, the Great Prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:1-2)
    So Michael is the angel that would be given a new name. That new name would have a significant meaning since prophecy states, "I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21)
    Since Michael was created in the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, his name reflects that meaning. Michael when translated means 'Who is Godlike?' or 'Who Is Like God?' The scripture points this meaning out quite nicely, "You made him a little lower than godlike ones, And you crowned him with glory and splendor." (Psalm 8:5) Immanuel when translated means "With us is God?'
    The Scriptures also point out that Michael was sent and given the name to the glory of God the Father. "Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human." (Philippians 2:5-7) Yes, this very angel would be given the name to the glory of God the Father and have his Father's Name in him. “I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one."(John 17:11)
    "More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.  For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground—  and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:8-11) The Name (Jesus) when translated means “Jehovah Is Salvation.”
    "And war broke out in heaven: {Jesus Christ and his angels} battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven." (Rev 12:7-8)
    That War began in 1914 and has been affecting the earth and its inhabitants ever since. Michael gives encouragement to his followers: "I am coming quickly. Keep holding fast to what you have, so that no one may take your crown. The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name." (Rev 3:11-12) "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." (Hebrews 1:4)
    'I, {Michael} sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’ (Rev 22:16)
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    BroRando got a reaction from Arauna in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    to claim a thousand years doesn't mean a thousand years.  
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    BroRando got a reaction from C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Seems like @C-D67  has been here before down voting everytime JEHOVAH is used. The demons do scream and make a fuss as they are being tormented day and night in the lake of Gehenna,
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    BroRando got a reaction from C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    If people knew that Brother Lett's Parents were deaf, they could see why he speaks the way he does.  Have you seen how a deaf person communicates? They over exaggerate to get their point across. When the wicked make fun of Brother Lett, they (the demons) are poking fun at the deaf. 
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    BroRando got a reaction from xero in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Seems like @C-D67  has been here before down voting everytime JEHOVAH is used. The demons do scream and make a fuss as they are being tormented day and night in the lake of Gehenna,
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    BroRando got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    If people knew that Brother Lett's Parents were deaf, they could see why he speaks the way he does.  Have you seen how a deaf person communicates? They over exaggerate to get their point across. When the wicked make fun of Brother Lett, they (the demons) are poking fun at the deaf. 
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    BroRando reacted to C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Read my post more carefully and begin to use your head a little better, especially when, I was just trying to have you explain why "denial" and "lie" are two distinct definitions. You are not serving Jehovah well by acting with such bad behavior.
    If you see my post, I'm agreeing with you and Brando that Peter lied. There's no need for you or Brando to encourage further negativity. Are you even Jehovah's Witnesses?
    If you're not, I have no need to debate with you.
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    BroRando reacted to C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    When a baby is born, when did that baby learn about God? It appears several here still don't get what Brother Lett was offering when dealing with, how we are all enemies of God until we learn the truth. A baby is taught into maturity. Especially when it comes to spiritual maturity. 
    That doesn't make him wrong, just cultured into the truth of the matter.
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