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@Arauna Like you say it just uses the word porneia 
Quote " and I would like to know what your punishment for it is.... and what porneia includes. "
For my part I wouldn't want to go beyond the things written, and I don't pretend to be inspired by God's Holy Spirit. So I cannot answer your two questions.
But it is your GB and their 'helpers' that have gone beyond the things written, because they admit to not being inspired by God, yet they still pretend to know the answers to your questions. And by their own mouths and written word they prove themselves to be so wrong. 
 

Always excuses.
Truth is not a revolving door.  If an anointed remains "in Christ" that one's teachings would be be proven as firm, - reliable, over the years.  John 15:16
 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me."  John 15:1-4
If the fruit taught in the 60's, can be rejected today, then it was never sourced in Christ. If the fruit taught today is proven bogus, God expects us to reject it.  If we love our neighbor, we would not remain silent but speak up for righteousness.  We are told to examine the fruit and reject what is "bad".    Matt 7:15-20
Both Jesus and the apostles taught that there would most certainly be "divisions" in the congregations, based on teachings.  John 15:18-25  Interestingly, those who obey the words of Christ in John 15, and reject falsehoods, are "hated without reason" by their people.  
We embrace Christ's direction, not the wayward direction of uninspired men.   
 
"I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."  Rom 16:17-18
 
 
 

... i agree completely :)) ... my ideas are imperfect !

... i agree completely :)) ... my ideas are imperfect !

@James Thomas Rook Jr. quote " The question that needs to be asked is this ....  how can people be dumber than rocks? "
I would have thought that the question that needs to be asked is - ---  
How can anyone that has a bible trained conscience be part of this immoral, dishonest, and basically clueless CCJW Organisation ? 
As for Arauna, she seems to want to delve into sexual immorality. Whereas in scripture it just says this :-
Acts 15 v 28 & 29
 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.i If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
Unless Arauna can show us where in scripture it breaks it down into specific acts. 
A Bible based conscience will know right from wrong. 
I think the GB were just perverted in their thoughts and suggestions. 
However I think James has made it quite clear that the GB does take over people's consciences and people's thinking ability. The conscience is like a muscle in your body. If the muscle is not used it weakens and becomes useless. So it is with your conscience, if it is not used regularly it stops working. This seems to be what happens with Elders and may congregants. They follow the GB's 'rules of men', they become 'robots', they lose their conscience because they no longer need it, because they just follow rules without questioning them.  
Arauna made a point about having independent thoughts but basically keeping those thoughts to ones self. 
James mentioned somewhere about people not being BRAVE enough to question the GB's interpretations.
IMO, the idea of personal study through prayer is to gain truth and spiritual wisdom. Why then would a person want to suppress spiritual wisdom and truth gained through prayer and personal study ? Especially when wrong could be made right in an important way. 
 
 

By "today", I mean in the last two or three years ...and of COURSE I have proof.
This is a clip of the infamous, globally distributed "pillowgate videos", put out by two "Helpers" of the Governing Body, and  were premiered about January 2018.   The previous references can be looked up in the Watchtowers of yesteryear, if memory serves, from the early 60's.
 

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Humans, not only You, but every of us, many times contradicting to themselves.
If you want to be submissive to your leaders, than there is no place for "exploring new ideas", because you have to wait for new ideas coming from GB and Helpers.
What you teach is not your ideas, but GB ideas.
If you "chat" about "improper ideas" with others you are walking "around the edge", according to JW publications.
"Causing division" is something normal according to Jesus, because he told how His teaching will cause family members to be apart, to renounce and to hate, according to Matt 10 and Luke 14.    

I suppose how private activity of giving gifts is "normal", with or without signature.
GB members representing Private Company, an Organization with millions of members. But most of all they said how they representing and mediating between JHVH, Jesus and JW members.  In this aspect, all their activity is not just "normal activity", because they working on behalf of WTJWorg, and all their decisions and behavior, private and public, have to be looked through another glasses. 

Humans, not only You, but every of us, many times contradicting to themselves.
If you want to be submissive to your leaders, than there is no place for "exploring new ideas", because you have to wait for new ideas coming from GB and Helpers.
What you teach is not your ideas, but GB ideas.
If you "chat" about "improper ideas" with others you are walking "around the edge", according to JW publications.
"Causing division" is something normal according to Jesus, because he told how His teaching will cause family members to be apart, to renounce and to hate, according to Matt 10 and Luke 14.    

I suppose how private activity of giving gifts is "normal", with or without signature.
GB members representing Private Company, an Organization with millions of members. But most of all they said how they representing and mediating between JHVH, Jesus and JW members.  In this aspect, all their activity is not just "normal activity", because they working on behalf of WTJWorg, and all their decisions and behavior, private and public, have to be looked through another glasses. 

Bethel is sort of building and not place where faith lives. Behtel workers who answer as you had said, have more correct faith than some GB members who before many years (decades) put their signatures on Bibles as gift to some public officials. This "custom" is "normal" for those who are "part of the world", what ever that have or should mean in this or any other context. :))

Perhaps TTH not expecting from me to read his entire column :))) 

What they are ACTUALLY saying is EXACTLY this:
".... The men taking the lead among us have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."
WOW!
I guess that is why we were once taught that men having sex with men, or animals does not dissolve a marriage, and we are taught TODAY ... today,  that two Bethelites sitting naked in chairs, watching each other masturbate IS NOT pornea.
".... The men taking the lead among us have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."
OF COURSE THEY DO!
The question that needs to be asked is this ....  how can people be dumber than rocks?

Newspapers commonly advertise the JW Sunday meeting times and address in the church notice section. I have even seen the name of the talk to be given, on a particular Sunday.  The newspaper could only have gotten this information from the elders of the local kh.  When traveling through small towns many times I’ve seen the Jehovah’s Witnesses kingdom hall listed on a sign post, along with all other religions of the town.
Are JWs really “no part of the world” of religions?  Or, are those who have left the organization, no longer part of that  particular world? John 17:15,16  Jesus separated himself from the corruption of the religious system of his own people.  Is there corruption in the religious system of the WT?  What JW, in all honesty, could say no?
 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/02/here-is-answer-to-question-regarding.html
 

Can anyone exercise their conscience without the ability to think independently?  
"But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."  W 89 9/15/pp 20-25

I have given bibles to people with a nice bible verse and my name...... so they can remember who gave it to them and the occasion.
It seems that any normal activity which normal people do, is singled out by you to become a kind of "evil" deed.  I call you out for your accusing tone..... and for constantly appointing yourself as judge. It seems you have never made a mistake in your life and afterward thought- I should not have done that.
A friend gave me my bible because I left behind some books in USA.  You say it is somehow wrong of her to have put her name and date in it? 

Bethel is sort of building and not place where faith lives. Behtel workers who answer as you had said, have more correct faith than some GB members who before many years (decades) put their signatures on Bibles as gift to some public officials. This "custom" is "normal" for those who are "part of the world", what ever that have or should mean in this or any other context. :))

Perhaps TTH not expecting from me to read his entire column :))) 

It is funny that JWs say that the CCJW in no part of the world. BUT, then when CSA is mentioned JWs say, yes but it's everywhere in the world.   

This coronavirus stuff reminds me of the story of the Grasshopper and the Ant.
Everybody sthe story of the Grasshopper, and the Ant.
The Grasshopper played the fiddle all summer, goofing off, while the industrious Ant stayed busy storing up food for the coming long, hard winter.
When the first snow of winter came, the Grasshopper had no food, but the Ant had more than enough food for the winter.
So ...  the Grasshopper got in his sports car and went to Florida, ... and someone stepped on the Ant.
 

Why you are upset? WTJWorg preaching that you are not part of this world. If you are not par of it, why would you be part of these list? :))

We have been renting for many years. We now rent a residential part of the house (two room flat) we live in and also a large part of one house a little further away. We have always had lower prices than many others..... And we pay taxes to the state  . One tenant is currently without a permanent job because of Covid 19. We told the tenant that the rent amount, which is otherwise for one month, will be for the next three months. Hopefully they can find some work and a paycheck.

Quote @TrueTomHarley " but they will not perform civilian work that is clearly designed to support war efforts."
This choice was taken from JWs in WW2 because the Leaders of the JWs took away people's conscience by misusing the Romans  scripture regarding Superior Authorities. 
Many of the younger generation now, who have no religion, will not go to war. Punks, a subculture, are anti-war. Hippies were also anti-war. It is not just a JW thing. 
Quote "Nobody is known for taking the ‘good news of the Kingdom’ to each and every person like Jehovah’s Witnesses, especially before ‘the end will come.’ "
Perhaps also, nobody is known for telling as many lies about how to serve God,and the 'Good News'.
Perhaps the JWs are best known for false predictions of Armageddon. Or maybe CSA.
JWs can be known for scaremongering, but In those cases i think it is just that some JWs are a bit too keen to get a message across. Some even use this Covid-19 virus as an excuse.  
 
 

"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those with leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you received, freely give.”  Matt 10:8
The message in this video fits the governing leaders in the organization, like a glove.  Please read the WT quote in the description under the video.  Notice how the organization’s practice of hypocrisy, has come back to bite them.  Amos 5:18-27 
WT 2/1/1990, pg 25:
"19 The worldliness of some clergy has even been exposed in the media in recent times, as for example the licentious and luxurious life-styles of some TV clergymen. One modern songwriter composed a song with the title: “Would Jesus Wear a [$10,000] Rolex [watch] on His Television Show?” The song goes on to say: “Would Jesus be political if He came back to earth, have His second home in [luxurious] Palm Springs and try to hide His worth?” In addition, more and more clergymen condone or practice homosexuality. Even now the Catholic Church in the United States is paying millions of dollars in damages to compensate for priests guilty of sexual abuse of children.—Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10. "
 “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are sexual immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, things which I am telling you in advance, just as I said before, that the ones who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Gal 5:19-21
 
The wicked appear rich, powerful, and glorious. 
The faithful, appear despised, weak, and foolish 
 (1Cor.4:8-10,11-13; Rev.3:17-18; 2Cor.11:3-5,12-15,23-25,26-27,28,29-30; 12:9-10; 13:4)

Why those contrasting appearances?
Who is it, that rules over the desire of the eyes? Who is it that bestows worldly glory, dominion, power, and riches?
The unfaithful have a respectable appearance, because they have failed the test of Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In contrast, the faithful, are given the glory of Christ (John17:22).
Pearl Doxsey – https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
“Sources of Persecution against the Holy Ones / Why must the faithful, die?”
“Glory”
 
 
 

We have been renting for many years. We now rent a residential part of the house (two room flat) we live in and also a large part of one house a little further away. We have always had lower prices than many others..... And we pay taxes to the state  . One tenant is currently without a permanent job because of Covid 19. We told the tenant that the rent amount, which is otherwise for one month, will be for the next three months. Hopefully they can find some work and a paycheck.

Thanks for link!

Montana sees flurry of child sex abuse lawsuits as deadline approaches
The one-year window Montana lawmakers opened to give child sex abuse survivors a chance to bring old claims is closing soon, and a flurry of lawsuits is hitting the courts.
Adults who were abused as children have until May 6 to bring claims otherwise barred by the statute of limitations. The Montana Legislature created the window in 2019, prompted by news of a lawsuit against James “Doc” Jensen, a Miles City high school athletic trainer who abused dozens of boys while working with the district between the 1970s and 1990s. 
After May 6, various restrictions are reinstated on which claims can be brought. Factors include age of the victim, and whether the abuser is still alive. 
On Friday, two sisters sued in U.S. District Court in Billings, accusing the Jehovah’s Witness Church of failing to act after Bruce Mapley Sr. and Gunner Haines admitted to sexually abusing them in the 1970s. Mapley and Haines confessed to Martin Svensen, senior elder of the Hardin congregation, who investigated the allegations, “and was himself engaged in serious sexual abuse of children,” according to attorneys with the Missoula law firm Meyer, Shaffer & Stepans.
The church temporarily relieved the men of their duties but reinstated them within a year, attorneys say. And while church elders told the congregation that the men had committed a wrongdoing, they gave no more information, the attorneys say, and the abuse continued.
On Wednesday, three men filed individual lawsuits in state court in Great Falls, echoing a flurry of other plaintiffs around the country who say the Boy Scouts of America turned a blind eye when troop leaders abused them. Assistant Scoutmaster John McBride in Libby, Camp Director Gary Greff at the Grizzly Base Camp and K-M Scout Ranch, and leader Roger Maddox, of Great Falls are all named.
One of those plaintiffs, 57-year-old Chris Ford, said the ability to make a claim now will help him heal. He didn’t talk about it for decades, after telling his parents when it happened.
Ford hopes the lawsuit leads to more information about the scope of the cover-up.
“I want to know just how prolific the abuse was,” Ford said. “You know, I just thought mine was an isolated case, and come to find out there are hundreds of thousands of potential victims.”
Mike Pfau, a Seattle attorney representing Ford, told The Washington Post in February that there were likely tens of thousands of potential victims across the country.
Also on Wednesday, Freedom Church Assembly of God was accused in a lawsuit filed in state court in Billings of allowing former pastor David Harvey to groom a 15-year-old in his church office, setting the stage for later sexual assaults that took place at Harvey’s home, according to the lawsuit.
  The boy’s mother reported the abuse to senior pastor Sam Benson, but the church did not follow up with any reports to law enforcement, child protection workers or other authorities, according to attorneys John Heenan and Joe Cook. 
Heenan, who also represented plaintiffs in the Jensen case, said he hopes anyone still considering bringing a lawsuit under the one-year window does, "so they can protect their rights." They have one week. 
The legislation to open the one-year window on old claims passed unanimously.
https://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-sees-flurry-of-child-sex-abuse-lawsuits-as-deadline-approaches/article_bd24f56d-fe32-5268-b5d7-dc02fa8ce3d0.html?fbclid=IwAR0tlu1Kjtp84SpbqwDlTevxHT1GoJymph1_V2AzhTb2myiUQhAaBZjLPzY