Srecko Sostar

That always occurs when writers have no other skills and need to eat and sleep warm.

I will have to ask my new Android v. 12.6 (as seen on TV) RONCO DOGMATIC.
Cereally though ....  I suppose the difference is if the arguments are based on verifiable reality, or hopes and dreams, masquerading as facts.

What is the difference between being dogmatic and critical argument? Is it philosophy or belief in polarization?
Do I believe witnesses are dogmatic? Compared to, which religious organization. Can we say Jesus was dogmatic? Does anyone have an answer about Jesus and the apostles?

I don't think so, more like "some people just can't help themselves"

Kind of like "he endeavored to avoid being dead". But he didn't always succeed.
You are what you are until you're not.

It might sound mealy mouthed, but it's hardly deception.
They tried hard not to be dogmatic, but they didn’t always succeed. Sometimes they did well and were not dogmatic, and sometimes they didn’t do well, and were dogmatic.
I believe they endeavored to avoid being dogmatic. But obviously didn't always succeed.

Yet another instance of Orwellian crimestop.

Anna said:
It's gross deception. Why? Because it deliberately gives a completely false picture of what the Bible Students said.
That's like saying the Nazi's tried hard not to be dogmatic about Nazism, but didn't always succeed.
Tell me if the statements quoted below about 1918 and 1920 are dogmatic or not.
The Finished Mystery, 1917, pages 62, 64, said with great authority:
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The data presented in comments on Rev. 1:1... prove that the Spring of 1918 will bring upon Christendom a spasm of anguish greater even than that experienced in the Fall of 1914.
The awakening of the sleeping saints, A.D. 1878, was just half way (three and one-half years each way) between the beginning of the Times of Restitution in 1874 and the close of the High Calling in 1881. Our proposition is that the glorification of the Little Flock in the Spring of 1918 A.D. will be half way (three and one-half years each way) between the close of the Gentile Times and the close of the Heavenly Way, A.D. 1921.
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These predictions failed. More forceful language was used in the predictions of a terrible destruction due to come on Christendom's churches and their members in 1918, with their dead bodies strewn about unburied. Pages 484-485 said:
<< Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions, it shall be that any that escape shall come to the works of Pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of "Christianity." >>
Page 513 said:
<< In the year 1918, when Christendom shall go down as a system to oblivion.... God will cause the nations to shake with gigantic revolutions. >>
The book also predicted stupendous events for 1920. On page 258 it said:
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Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920...
Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy...
The three days in which Pharaoh's host pursued the Israelites into the wilderness represent the three years from 1917 to 1920 at which time all of Pharaoh's messengers will be swallowed up in the sea of anarchy.
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On page 542 it said:
<< As the fleshly-minded apostates from Christianity, siding with the radicals and revolutionaries, will rejoice at the inheritance of desolation that will be Christendom's after 1918, so will God do to the successful revolutionary movement; it shall be utterly desolated, "even all of it." Not one vestige of it shall survive the ravages of world-wide all-embracing anarchy, in the fall of 1920. >>
How about the following statements about 1925? Were they dogmatic or not?
The book Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920 Edition, said on pages 89-90:
<< . . . we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old . . . >>
The May 15, 1922 Watch Tower said:
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We have no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925.
It was on this line of reckoning that the dates 1874, 1914, and 1918 were located; and the Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon 1914 and 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure. What further evidence do we need?
Using this same measuring line... it is an easy matter to locate 1925, probably in the fall, for the beginning of the antitypical jubilee. There can be no more question about 1925 than there was about 1914.
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I could go on with this for a long time, but here's the link on this that I already gave you: https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/part-3-statements-concerning-1918-1925.html
Not dogmatic? Please!
The split is more like 90-10 when it came to anything to do with the Gentile Times stuff the Proclaimers book was discussing.
Believe what you like. Quotes like the above say different.
Time to go beddie-bye.

Yes, JWs exercising Orwellian crimestop do get bored with topics that clobber their beliefs. My ex-wife did the same thing.
As for this discovery, I saw the same show but was not entirely convinced that they had the dating right. Recent discoveries in northwest Africa strongly indicate the presence of Homo sapiens 300,000 years ago, and it is well known that today's Sahara desert has alternated between wet and dry periods for several million years. Archaeological discoveries in Egypt, Libya, etc. clearly show modern human habitation from more than 50,000 years ago. So who knows how the Emirates discovery will pan out?

Sorta like taking a handful of caffeine tablets  so you don't sleep through the public talk?

Because that kind of gossip travels fast!
Yes, very dogmatic. Obviously this was when they "didn't succeed" in not being dogmatic. I didn't say they were never dogmatic.
 

I think how wording in magazine is something as .... to the end of 20th century.
This including the year 2000 :))

GB members are responsible not only about CSA cases in Organization, but also for many misconceptions on doctrinal matters and interpretations of Bible.
For example, how old humans are. Before few moments TV program on one channel giving documentary about archaeological research in Emirates and how they found place where people lived, not before 10.000 years as they thought previously, but before 125.000 years. Until that moment my JW wife looking with interest on program, but after this "detail" she said, "now they are boring" and switched program on other channel   :))))

Yes, in the end we all will do an accounting before jehovah - whether you believe in him or not.  Personal choices do bring the fruits of those choices.
When mistakes are made one also reaps what was sowed.... 
Good for your wife - smart to question their dates. 

What an amazing talent for an 8 year old....
she has the 'sultry" voice down already. ;-)

Yes, guests in restaurant have to be very talented too. :))
Message of the song is something that we need to try to use sometimes in a life.   

I CAN explain it all ... I have been watching, and studying  for more than 50 years.
I try NOT to think like, or be,  a professional child.
I do NOT think I have enough "spirit" to judge anyone .... in the sense of somehow punishing them.
My only judgement of "them" is to avoid and ignore "them"
... I do enjoy the option of being able to enforce my preferences, if necessary.
...which most people might consider a blessing.

What a beautiful combination .... piano and cello together....
Love how this couple brings them together.... cello playing the melody and some of the early percussion.

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Talkin' to myself and feelin' old
Sometimes I'd like to quit
Nothin' ever seems to fit
Hangin' around
Nothin' to do but frown
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down
 
What I've got they used to call the blues
Nothin' is really wrong
Feelin' like I don't belong
Walkin' around
Some kind of lonely clown
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down
 
Funny, but it seems I always wind up here with you
Nice to know somebody loves me
Funny, but it seems that it's the only thing to do
Run and find the one who loves me (the one who loves me)
What I feel has come and gone before
No need to talk it out (talk it out)
We know what it's all about
Hangin' around (hangin' around)
Nothin' to do but frown
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down
 
Funny, but it seems that it's the only thing to do (only thing to do)
Run and find the one who loves me
What I feel has come and gone before
No need to talk it out
We know what it's all about
Hangin' around (hangin' around)
Nothin' to do but frown 
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down
 
Hangin' around (hangin' around)
Nothin' to do but frown
Rainy days and Mondays always get
Me down

The melancholy of this song is perfectly expressed on Karen's face (watch her) and in her powerfully, emotive vocals.