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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    :))) Tom, The Only One who says you have to obey err is WT Society. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    I think how we don't need to have high expectations from San Diego Sun reporter to be "familiar" with Scripture. But that is of no surprise, because Judge Rutherford showed lack of "familiarity" with Scripture too, when he made plans to build Beth-Sarim.
    "He that speaketh evil of his brother, judgeth his brother; speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law" - James 4
    I would go a little further with meaning of this verse you used, and not with obvious verbatim understanding about "not judging other people". Wording "The Law" have wider meaning and not just God's command about what is forbidden and what is allowed to do. "The Law" is in fact entire content of Bible in which is reflection of God's thoughts, wisdom, prophets, lessons, His will, past and future. 
    In that context of wider picture about Word He gave in Bible, i would say how misinterpretation made by anyone, or in this example by WT Society, and particularly by 3rd President of WT, "Judge Rutherford", who gave wrong meaning to Bible verses, we see how he has done exactly what you emphasized is bad. Judge Rutherford is that one who "judged the law" with his absolutely false proclamation (if you want, read this as apostate or perhaps demonic inspired revelation) about "Ancient Princes" who will soon be resurrected and come to be his guest in Beth-Sarim. What is the point:
    1)  he "judged the law" by giving false meaning to words of God.
    2)  he (and other under his influence) "judged his brothers" who were not accepted his teachings, in that period.  
    Conclusion we can make today is similar. If GB "judging the law" with error, wrong, false interpretations and "judge you" if you are not willing to accept such ideology, than we have clear picture of  modern fulfillment on James 4. :))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    :))) Tom, The Only One who says you have to obey err is WT Society. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Sir, surely you know that God’s Word does not adhere to folly; but rather, condemns it. 
    Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
        or you yourself will be just like him.  Prov 26:4
    I saw that wisdom is better than folly, just as light is better than darkness.  Eccl 2:13
    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.  Eph 5:11
    Then the Lord said, “These prophets are telling lies in my name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts.  Jer 14:14
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    …because if it did have an everlasting spiritual purpose, they would have held onto it no matter the cost. It’s sort of like other WT buildings dedicated to God, for the life of their use.  No authentic spirituality is involved, except for a deceitful one. 
    If a JW went rogue in the congregation, “inventing teachings and doctrines” which none really, could compare to Rutherford and Russell’s teachings,  that one would no longer be called a “brother”.  He would be removed.  Yet, Russel and Rutherford, the backbones leading to the birth of the organization are respected Brothers, leaders. If today’s “faithful and discreet slave” supports its historical false teachers, by highlighting their material (in a selective way and to their own advantage), are they not also false teachers themselves, by advocating these men as stalwart and faithful individuals, who enhance the organization today?  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    TTH:  "What it proves is that when it is clear they have erred, interpreting scripture incorrectly, they admit it in print and move on—the very opposite of the line you and Witness are peddling that they hide their mistakes at all costs."
    Oh! So it was really a ‘monumental’ ERROR!  That makes more sense and certainly is backed up by the newspaper articles that I never knew about while a JW.  The Proclaimer's Book "proclaims" only the bare bones, purposefully skipping the embarrassing meat of the story.   
    "The only one who says that it is impermissible for humans to err is you. They have never taken that position."
    Yesterday, prophetic failures were blamed on the members who took any stock in their teachings. Today, they admit that they make mistakes from time to time...
    1 - because God never "inspired" them.
    2 - because Jesus never promised them perfect food. 
    But, yeah, they make mistakes, because of God and Jesus.  Apparently, God and Christ made them error.  What a childlike excuse.  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Evacuated in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Well, according to WT published evidence there are few "not faithful and discreet" reasons for San Diego Beth-Sarim house: 
    1) Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia ...
    2) Under a doctor’s treatment, he went to San Diego, California, and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible there. 
    3) Rutherford and his companion brothers have had religious fixation (persistent thought) about Kingdom and resurrection of past people based on fiction.
    4) Explanation in magazine speaking how house fully served its purpose, but they must sell this too much expensive  "monument". We see how "Purpose" of that building has nothing with real spirituality as Jesus presented it, in his life time on Earth.  
    5) Footnote in WT magazine said: At the time, it was believed ... This is one more prove in lines of proves, how WT Society and people who run this Organization, inventing teachings and doctrines. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    I'm borrowing a good scripture used on another topic, that appropriately fits Watchtower's own meager attempt to portray  Rutherford's antics as having a valid purpose; also Rutherford's spiritual state of mind when producing this purposeful "monument". 
    They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.  Rom 1:21
    If someone's mind is filled with such insane darkness, can it also contain the authentic light of truth? 
    Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together?  2 Cor 6:14
    Does any JW here realize Rutherford was a false prophet?  And, can a false prophet aid in the "restoration of first-century Christianity"?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom p. 89  (jv chap. 7 pp. 72-89)
    “House of the Princes”
    Brother Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia after his release from unjust imprisonment in 1919. Thereafter, he had only one good lung. In the 1920’s, under a doctor’s treatment, he went to San Diego, California, and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible there. From 1929 on, Brother Rutherford spent the winters working at a San Diego residence he had named Beth-Sarim. Beth-Sarim was built with funds that were a direct contribution for that purpose. The deed, which was published in full in “The Golden Age” of March 19, 1930, conveyed this property to J. F. Rutherford and thereafter to the Watch Tower Society.
    Concerning Beth-Sarim, the book “Salvation,” published in 1939, explains: “The Hebrew words ‘Beth Sarim’ mean ‘House of the Princes’; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth.”
    A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? “The Watchtower” of December 15, 1947, explained: “It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the King Christ Jesus will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely in California) is based, not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise.” *
    [Footnote]
    At the time, it was believed that faithful men of old times, such as Abraham, Joseph, and David, would be resurrected before the end of this system of things and would serve as “princes in all the earth,” in fulfillment of Psalm 45:16. This view was adjusted in 1950, when further study of the Scriptures indicated that those earthly forefathers of Jesus Christ would be resurrected after Armageddon.—See “The Watchtower,” November 1, 1950, pages 414-17.
     
    Apparently, this crazy endeavor of Rutherford's, is excused because the house "fully served its purpose", as a "monument" "that there there might be tangible proof of a belief held out by JWs today.  
    The Bible's promises were not enough to put faith in.  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    What a remarkable introduction for the restoration of "first-century Christianity" in 1931.  One to put down in the history books for all JWs. 
    Something to be proud of?... 
    The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared
    in the San Diego Sun, March 15, 1930
    "But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes.'"
    Time Magazine of Mar 31, 1930 wrote: "Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home ..".
    The San Diego Sun of Jan 9 1931 wrote: "A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district. In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel. The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them.
    One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.' Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats.
    At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings. The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the princely faces after shaving. A black skull cap hangs over one of the bedposts.
    The coming of David and his companions will be the greatest news story of the ages, Rutherford predicted. 'I am not a publicity seeker,' Rutherford said with a twinkle in his kindly brown eyes, 'but I feel that the world should know about their arrival. It will be a great news story.' Word of his 'House of king David' has reached into every corner of the world, the judge stated. 'Everywhere I went people asked me about this place,' Rutherford said. 'In Chicago a millionaire manufacturer offered to build another house for David, but I declined the offer. 'Literally thousands have driven here to see this place,' Rutherford continued. 'Many have come to the door and my secretary has shown them about the place.' The patio with it's silver pool and olive and palm trees is gay with flowers. Down toward the canyon, paths have been landscaped to allow David and his friends to walk in meditation. Many of the fruits and trees, native to their Palestine, will greet the rulers when they arrive. In the two car garage next door stands a new, yellow 16 cylinder coupe which will be turned over to the rulers along with all the personal property on the place. 'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel. The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently. Rutherford will sail May 9 for Europe where he will speak before conventions in Berlin, Paris and London."
     
    As my rather frank mother would have said, “the guy is a crackpot”.   
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    https://web.archive.org/web/20060218124721/http://members.cox.net/tzdaniels/pictures/Time_March_31_1930.jpg
    It is impressive how Russell and Rutherford doing "fine job" and have been fine example of Opposers to established religions of their period of time. Reasoning book calling this two men as restoration leaders, who Reinstated true doctrines and true religion as it was in 1st Century.
    But, Jesus, as Opposer to Jew Religion established system, never mentioned that it would be needed to build house with olive trees for Ancient Princes in 1929. 
    As curiosity, what would people say when those Ancient Princes would ask for women. Few for each of them?
    What was the subject, content of Rutherford's effort to restore, with building house for ANCIENT princes? Christianity or Old/New Jew Kingdom? 
    Comfortable San Diego accommodation  in 1929 is Type and Modern Warwick is Anti-Type for GB Princes :))  
    What about 1931 period doctrines and practices? To what sort of "restoration" do they belong? To which period of time do they belong? To 1st Century Christianity time? If they do belong to that period, why they are not stayed as actual beliefs and practice of modern JW? If Modern JW of our time acting as Opposers to practices and beliefs of Restoration in Russell' and Rutherford' time .... than who is True Restorer of 1st century Christianity inside WT Society and JW org?    
     
    Does this statement is really valid from today's standpoint?  "Their beliefs and practices are not new but are a restoration of first-century Christianity."  - Reasoning Book quote
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    I have been able to locate  an eight minute and 38 second recording  of Brother Dave Gardner, from the 1960's whose historical research contributed greatly to our current understandings and perspectives.
    This was before the Society banned cigarettes, later if memory serves, in the early 1970's.
     

    Julius Caesar--Brother Dave Gardner.mp4
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Perhaps it would be more "discreet" to not merge automatically this two elements you talking about: moral standards and by law obligated things to do, on one side, with theological subject/term "Truth" or  with spiritual aspects in people's life, on other side.
    How to explain this? Children in kindergarten (of any kind i assume, religious, atheistic) are not thought, by their guardians ladies, to still, to lie, to curse, etc. other children and adult people. They received lessons  to be nice, peaceful, honest, sincere, to share things, etc. By this, they shows qualities as every very moral atheist or very moral religious individual.
    To what "truth" this kindergarten group belongs?! :)) Or any other religious and non religious group in the world that reflects this moral and not only moral but spiritual qualities in the same time?! Because good moral behavior is based on good spiritual foundations. In this aspect, "spiritual" not necessary including how individual must believe in God. Because God's love and all moral and spiritual qualities is genetically incorporated in individual because of miracle act when God created people.
    That is why atheist people must not "belong to" particular ideology, false or true, to be bad or good. That is why religious people, must not "belong to" particular religion, false or true, to be bad or good.
    That is why JW members with their good behavior, not proving automatically how because of their belonging to particular Organization their religion is true. They not proving issue - how specific theology and doctrines is truth itself. 
    It would be good to separate things that are not the same. You don't need to be religious to be moral and obey law in the same time. 
       
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    That's true, but it would not attract as much attention. Rutherford had been a political marketer before following Russell/WT/Bible Students. This is why he would ADV/ADV/ADV. And why gimmicks like putting David and Abraham on a property deed were important to him. This is why he used the title "Judge."
    But I think it was Covington who figured out that he could do much better in the courts if we agreed to be recognized as a religion. Religious rights were easier to fight for than unspecified rights or civil rights of a group who would otherwise be seen only as "peddlers." Tresspassing laws were decidedly against peddlers, but the United States was being recognized in the twentieth century as much more amenable to a variety of religions, and we weren't the only religion asking for (and getting) expanded rights.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Truth, without Justice, and fairness,.... and mercy .... devalues Truth, to a trivial pursuit.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Jesus said to his people, 
     “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it."  Matt 10:34-39
    We have another fulfillment of Christ's words today, as a result of the organization and God's people within it.  Disfellowshipping causes family division.  If one leaves to follow CHRIST completely, they "lose" the life they had known; yet, nothing in the scriptures designates that they have made the wrong decision.  Only men and their doctrine say so.  Who should we follow?  Christ or men?  The path of following him outside the organization comes with difficulty.  Why?  Because of what the WT leaders have instructed their members to do - shun those who leave the organization - for whatever reason they may leave. 
    Is that "preaching" Jesus' words of love?
    I can't tell you how many times I have pleaded with JWs to adhere to Rev 18:4-8 and Matt 24:15,16  If I hated them, would I bother to even mention it?  I wouldn't even be here.  I wouldn't consider investing my time in explaining who the man of lawlessness is and where "he" is found.  I have a family; a husband, children, grand children, two dogs, and a large flock of birds.  I have plenty to keep me busy.  I wouldn't be concerned for every anointed and companion in the Watchtower who face judgment now, in this time of "tribulation".   I just wouldn't care.  But, Holy Spirit does something to a person when it is needed.  
    With the advent of the man of lawlessness, which is the elder body assuming control over the anointed priesthood, (please, consider your position in front of God, elders) "trampling" Christ's bodily members is the same as trampling Christ. John 15:20; Acts 9:4,5  Marking an individual anointed one as spiritually dead for following their Head, Jesus Christ, is a sin against the Holy Spirit which resides in their heart.  2 Cor 6:16; 1 John 2:27  A spiritual "killing" by the elders is not physical, but  symbolic, and exactly what the Wild Beast/ man of lawless accomplishes against God's servants in Rev 13:1,2,4-9,15; 11:7
     Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.  Heb 10:28-31
    Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod.And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, (1 Cor 3:16,17) the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”  Rev 11:1-3
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
    We have nothing to say about vacuums. Vacuums are nothing. Vacuums are a lack of anything. Vacuums are cold, empty spaces that make up just about all of the space in the universe. Think about it. Imagine how far the Earth is from the Sun. Millions of miles separate the two relatively small objects. Everything between the Earth and Sun is a vacuum. Don't get us wrong, there is stuff there, just stuff that is hard to quantify or detect. Light passes through the vacuum of space. You've got radio waves, gamma rays, X-ray, IR, UV, visible, etc. There is even stuff called dark matter and dark energy. They are all there. But if you could hold your hand out, there would be nothing. 
    source: http://www.cosmos4kids.com/files/universe_vacuum.html
    If You believe in God's creation of Universe than you will accept "vacuum" as His creation too :)) He would not "abhor" something that he created. 
    Perhaps "vacuum" you talking about is something bad. But that sort of "vacuum" is Product of WT Society.   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
    If one of your brothers or sisters told you a lie, what would you do?  Wouldn't you approach them about it? Wouldn't you expect them to hear you out, even apologize for lying to you?   The GB are just men, no better than anyone else; and who are to be spiritual "brothers" to all.  Many anointed ones, and many others, have approached them about their failed doctrine, (failed doctrine is a lie from the outset)  about their handling of child abuse, about their assumed title as a "faithful and discreet slave", and about their misinterpretation of scripture.  Do you know what the GB does when they are approached?  They shut them up, their anointed brothers, by disfellowshipping them.  (Matt 24:48-51;John 16:2; 1 John 3:11,12; Rev 13:15 )
    That act, is hypocrisy.  JWs should see a red flag when realizing this, since it reveals a wicked persona that wields power over one's spirituality.  Your scripture, aptly applies here:
    "Who are you to judge another's servant?  To his own master (Jesus Christ) he stands or falls.  Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand"  Rom 14:4
    The battle we face, is of truth against lies, spoken from the mouths of anointed "kings". (Matt 7:15-20; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; 12:7; 17:2)   Before you, is not only a sparkling, seemingly innocent organization, but a well-hidden deceitful lie. (2 Thess 2:9-12: Rev 13:1,4)     Truth is not complicated when we turn to Jesus Christ, who is Truth.  (John 14:6; Luke 18:22; Rev 19:11)
    It's your choice - your decision.  
    “Let the nations be roused;
        let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
    for there I will sit
        to judge all the nations on every side.
    13 Swing the sickle,
        for the harvest is ripe.
    Come, trample the grapes,
        for the winepress is full
        and the vats overflow—
    so great is their wickedness!”
    14 Multitudes, multitudes
        in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near
        in the valley of decision.  Joel 3:12-14
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Kosonen in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
    Isaiah 66: 5  Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word:“Your brothers who hate you and exclude you because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ But He will appear and bring you joy, And they are the ones who will be put to shame.”
    The WT organization wrongfully excludes sincere believers in Jehovah God and his word. Looks like this prophecy in Isaiah is just about that.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Matthew9969 in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    If Jehovah did have one true organization, He wouldn't be giving them false information.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Did Jesus regularly visiting Temple and Synagogues, led by Jew Priesthood, and humbly obey lessons given by Priesthood?  
    If He didn't, than we can rightly speaking about that how He rejected Temple and all what Temple representing to Jew people. He expected from people to follow Him, and not Temple and Priesthood in Temple. By that He also showed how He rejecting Temple.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Where did Jesus say the preaching would be done in the last days?
    What I am doing?  Who do I “preach” to?  Who does Pearl “preach” to?  Who do others I know preach to? Spiritual “Israel” – the anointed, and also those with them.  Matt 10:23  This preaching will not finish before "the Son of Man comes".  
    And also…
    “those exiting the “city” – JWs who are leaving the Watchtower.  Rev 18:4-8; Matt 22:8-10
    Proof is not in “increased proclamation of Jesus”, since the Mormons do the same thing.  My neighbor, a Baptist, does the same thing. Besides, your proclamation is primarily of the organization as salvation, not Jesus alone as our salvation.   Proof is not evident in hundreds of carts toting magazines and books soon to be outdated and possibly discarded, but in the power of Holy Spirit and His purpose to use even a few people to accomplish a large task.  Zech 4:6,7; Matt 17:11;Rev 11:1-3
    The article gives you absolute proof.  The quotes from the WT, give you absolute proof.  God favors His “special possession”, His priesthood.  Yet, right now, they are silenced.  He does not “favor” the organization, but He allows it to exist.  He is allowing His anointed to be “sifted” by Satan. Luke 22:31 The proof is in scripture.  Read 2 Thess 2:1-4.  Tell me, how will the “man of lawlessness” “sit” in the Temple of God?  The anointed Temple members are “safe” in the Watchtower. 1 Thess 5:3  How will “Gentiles” take over God’s sanctuary in Rev 11:1-3?  How will this take place outside of the organization when the anointed are inside?  1 Cor 3:16,17
    It is an “inside” operation.  If God’s Temple priests are TOLD by men they cannot BOND OR SEEK OUT OTHER ANOINTED ONES, can you see that God’s Temple is “trampled”?  Matt 24:15; Dan 8:13   
    Daniel describes the fourth Beast that tramples God’s saints.  The organization is that Beast guided by a false prophet.   Dan 7:19; Rev 13:1,11
    God's anointed don't just step into heaven.  They must be refined and found worthy of serving God. Rev 3:18  They must completely follow Christ's footsteps; persecuted, even losing all loved ones, and considered "dead", which happens when leaving the WT. Matt 19:29; 10:39; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; Rev 2:10  Satan tests each one, and during these last days, the test is the most deceptive he has come up with, since he is about to lose his kingdom. Rev 12:3,4;12:7   The org is his magnificent ruse that is now falling apart at the seams.  It really is time to get out.  
    Rev 16:13-15
    You said, "Does this mean the ancient prophets were not sent by God to speak on his behalf?"
    I answered, "NO, why would it?"
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    No, why would it?
    He prophesied of the new arrangement of worship – the  Temple where he would be its Head and chief cornerstone.  Col 1:18; 1 Pet 2:6
    Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.”  John 2:19,21
    “See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”Matt 23:38,39
      I have proof of what God’s organization is.  That is what the article was about…with scriptures.  Read it again.   Can YOU give ME proof that the Watchtower IS God’s visible organization?
    This shows how little you know of God’s Temple priesthood and the anointed Body of Christ, Allen.  We’ve been down this road before, otherwise I would not end up raising my voice with you...using capital letters.  
    Who is the “chief cornerstone” of your organization?  The WT leaders? It cannot be Jesus since the foundation stones of God’s organization are Temple members – the apostles and prophets.  Those Temple members are anointed priests, the “royal priesthood” under Christ.  They make up the Body of Christ.  1 Pet 2:7; Eph 2:19-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9
    That is really a weird request.  Are you afraid of my using God’s word to expose truth?
    We’ll start with "subjective, objective, speculative, using conjecture, being biased, and self-serving": 
    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” WT 02/8/1 p. 13,14
     "In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study".  WT 1/16 pg 24
    Are you able to conclude from your leader's quotes that God’s priesthood appointed by Him IS NOT USED, AND MUST BE SUBSERVIENT TO A "REPRESENTATIVE" PRIESTHOOD,  WHICH PROVES THAT THE GENUINE ORGANIZATION OF GOD IS VEILED BY A COUNTERFEIT – THE WATCHTOWER?  2 Thess 2:3,4  CAN YOU SEE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BEAST/ORGANIZATION OF REVELATION ACCOMPLISHES?
    And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
    The "saints", the anointed, are "overcome"/conquered  by blasphemies about THEM.  The source of blasphemies is "Jehovah's organization" - a counterfeit, a scam.  
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    TTH “The only reason to oppose such building and organization is to break up, ideally even eliminate, the coordinated preaching work that it facilitates. It is no more complicated than that. Say it plainly, and you will win some respect for frankness. But to mischaracterize operational expense as “abuse” is just too devious.”
    A "coordinated preaching work" that leads people to be baptized in its name - "Jehovah's organization"?
    That is devious and abusive to God's Word.
    A "coordinated preaching work" that introduces people into an organization that hides its sins of child abuse?  
    Most definitely devious and most definitely abusive.  
    A "coordinated preaching work" that uses "state of the art" fancy technology including three video studios because, out of greed, they can't stop building, which takes donated money to operate each new fun thing they build?
    When does it all stop being spiritually and physically abusive to the average JW, who blindly supports the lie?
    IT IS ALL VERY DEVIOUS.
    2 Thess 2:9-12
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