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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    I pray you open your eyes, and perceive beyond the physical powers in Satan’s world.
    “And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.” Rev 19:19
    “Earth” has always referred to God’s people under covenant and represents the anointed today.  Jer 25:29,30,34; Matt 23:34,35
     “kings of the earth” are under Jesus’ rule:  “John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
    Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.  To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.  Rev 1:4-6
    Jesus is not involved in politics; he wasn’t when he was on earth and he isn’t now.  – “Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.  And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”  Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’” Matt 4:8-10 (Luke 4:5,6)
    His faithful “kings of the earth” are not of Satan’s world.  John 17:16  (John 8:23)
     “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36
    For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:12
    Why should Armageddon be any different?  It is not fought on the worldly front, but between “kings of the earth”/anointed who are at odds with one another, and is happening now.    Jesus’ focus is on those who either obey him or disobey him  -  the “kings and priests” that he rules over.  1 Pet 5:9,10
     “And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
    KING OF KINGS AND
    LORD OF LORDS.”   Rev 19:16
    There are faithful “kings of the earth” – “And have made us kings and priests to our God;
    And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10
    As well as unfaithful “kings of the earth” who are heavily influenced by Satan’s world; falling for his tempting offer for power and prominence. And if influenced by Satan, what comes out of their mouth is false doctrine.  John 8:44; Matt 7:15-20
    ”Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.”  Rev 13:11
    This beast is a false anointed, composite “prophet”.  It works in tandem with the Wild Beast from the Sea.  Rev 13:12;19:20
    “And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.”
    Can you see this?  Jesus’ “kings” are at war in the spiritual realm; manifested through teachings, either true or false.   2 Thess 2:9-12
    The false prophet/Beast of the earth “inspires”/breathes spirit/spirit-directs “life” into the Beast of the Sea…which comes against the anointed ones.  Rev 13:15,7
    What “image” do you know of, that is “spirit-directed” and run by anointed ones?
    Those that are spiritually “killed” (disfellowshipped) by the Wild Beast for refusing to serve only Christ, may become sealed into his “army” to fight against the unfaithful, spiritually immoral “kings of the earth”.  Rev 13:15  
    Do you see a political nation in the world that kills the anointed ones that it has come against?
    Just look at Rev 1:4-6 and it will tell you who the “kings of the earth” are.  The definition doesn’t change through the various scriptures about them, in Revelation.
    Better stop here.  I fear I’ve lost you.  You ask,
    Do you really think the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies will say: "We hate God"? No. They will say:"We love God.
    And they do. 
    “And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”  Rev 6:15-17
    “But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.  The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 2And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
    But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life." Rev 21:22-25,27
    Still think the kings of the earth are the political rulers?  What would they be doing in the Temple?  1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
    Armageddon is the battle between faithful kings; refined, cleansed from Satan’s lies and who speak truth in Christ vs. kings who have transgressed the covenant, dominated their brothers as a “wicked slave”;
    and all of them – are anointed. 
  2. Confused
    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    Surely you know that you become the slaves of whatever you give yourselves to. Anything or anyone you follow will be your master. You can follow sin, or you can obey God. Following sin brings spiritual death, but obeying God makes you right with him.  (Rom 6:16 )  Now do you think I am trying to make people accept me? No, God is the one I am trying to please. Am I trying to please people? If I wanted to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.  (Gal 1:10)
    God paid a high price for you, so don’t be slaves to anyone else. (1 Cor 7:23)  Remember that you will receive your reward from the Lord, who will give you what he promised his people. Yes, you are serving Christ. He is your real Master.  Col 3:24
    Jesus said, “Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’”  Matt 15:9
     I say this because you are even patient with someone who forces you to do things and uses you. You are patient with those who trick you, or think they are better than you, or hit you in the face!  (2 Cor 11:20)
    (ERV)
    The organization is not my mediator, nor should it be anyone else’s.  I think that is enough scriptural proof to show you, I have no other Master that I am submissive to. 
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    @AllenSmith Um, the UK branch handed over their documents. The Australian branch handed over documents. So did they do wrong in God's eyes ? 
    You seem to act as if your Governing Body is God himself. Beyond questioning. Well not in my view. 
    And it's not about legal matters because 'legal matters' in that sense are part of the world. It's about doing what is right in God's eyes. 
    If it was possible for the GB to help the legal system convict pedophiles, and in that way help to make the JW Org cleaner than it is, then in my opinion the GB should have done as much as possible to help the legal system. 
    As I've said before, if the GB and the JW org were being persecuted for following God's instructions then they should hold their heads high and smile, but if they are being condemned for assisting Child Abuse then how can they hold their heads high at all. Just by saying they are the 'faithful slave' they think that gives them the right to bend the rules of God. So who is putting who to the test here ? The GB are putting God to the test for sure. Well if you want to support that its your choice.
    God didn't use the Romans to punish Jesus, it was the Nation of Israel that condemned Jesus to death.  God used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem, whereas he could have used fire from heaven, as in Sodom & Gomorrah. 
    'because you who pass judgment do the same things' But i don't do them nor do i support those that do do them. Hence I'm not guilty of those things and have proved it by leaving the Org as soon as I had proof enough for my conscience to act. You see, i took action that you do not like. It seems that you are so annoyed that I would dare to question your GB. Why do you worship them so ? They are only men. Put not your trust in earthling man...
    As for legal matters, they can so easily be misused. An honest man that serves God well will know right from wrong. Your GB it seems has no conscience or Godly devotion. They are only interested in winning cases, not seeing justice from God's viewpoint. They do not care for those that have suffered, hence those that have suffered HAVE to take legal action and involve the 'world'. For those that have suffered and those still suffering the GB and the Elders show no love or empathy. 
    Go your own way, do your own thing, it means nothing to me. Carry on serving your Governing Body. Carry on believing that the GB are the 'faithful slave'. God has given Jesus Christ the authority to judge us all, and he will do it fairly.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    @AllenSmith True God does not 'NEED' anyone's help but He has used it in the past. 
    Babylon, Egypt and Rome. All used to do the work of God. 
    As for guilt, i think the Governing Body have proved how guilty they are in many ways. Are they still withholding all those documents from the Californian high court ? Or maybe they have squirmed their way out of it. Did they ever pay the $2.5 million dollars fine ? Using donations from congregation members. But they did make massive payouts to the two victims it seems. 
    I'll add this again and see if you get the point :-
    Nation of Israel : 2 Kings Ch 17 v 17.   But Jehovah we didn't burn as many of our children as the other nations did. 
    It's not about comparisons of how much Child Abuse was committed within the Org. It's the fact that it was hidden for so long, and victims suffered just to keep the Org looking clean. Like whitewashed graves, full of dead men's bones. 
    I like verses 8 & 9 of that Acts scripture. 
    8  "And God, who knows the heart,e bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also. 9  And he made no distinction at all between us and them, ...... "
    Unlike the Governing Body that say only those 8 men are the 'faithful and discreet slave'. Whilst all the other Anointed are nothing in their eyes. 
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    You believe Christ isn’t guiding me.
    You believe I’m a lone wolf. 
    You believe God approved of 8 men self-appointing themselves as a “faithful and discreet slave”.  You do realize by eliminating all other anointed ones in this category, a designation made only by Christ when he arrives, they have set themselves into the position of a wicked slave….don’t you?  Matt 25:21 No other anointed one can fulfill that title.  They have assumed all glory and authority (that rings a bell…Luke 4:6) over all the “slaves”; and they wield it freely using their “muscle”/elder body.  That also helps seal the deal.  The anointed Body are not the shepherds.  Clearly, the wicked slave “eats and drinks with drunkards” - sharing spiritual “food”/doctrine with the false priesthood/elder body that is used against his fellow anointed “servants” for “beating” them into submission.  Matt 24:48-51
    You are a very assuming person to believe God and Jesus have sanctioned an elder body not anointed to replace their own choice – the anointed priesthood and true shepherds of the sheep. 1 Pet 2:5,9  Do you really believe Jesus is okay with men’s replacement of his true shepherds that are members of his own Body? 
     “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of Godwhich He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. Acts 20:28-31
    “savage” – heavy, weighty, burdensome, severe, imposing, impressive.
    “perverse things” - to distort, turn aside; to oppose, plot against the saving purposes and plans of God; to turn aside from the right path, to pervert, corrupt
    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits.”  Matt 7:15,16
    “ravenous” – rapacious, a robber, an extortioner 
    Jesus surely knew the imposing image of the GB and its elder body would have no problem fleecing the sheep with false stories and a false hope of salvation through an organization – a turning aside from the true source of salvation.  Acts 4:12  They are experts at blackmail; threatening with disfellowshipping their own “servants” for rejecting their made up stories.  Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,4,7,11,15
    The true shepherds are in existence and are guided by their Master, Jesus.  Which shepherds will you choose to be guided by, those who listen to extortioners who plot to shatter any power the anointed have left, throwing truth down to the ground; or those who listen to Jesus?   Dan 12:7; 8:12
    Are you aware of the iniquities in Ezekiel that caused the Lord to “forsake the land" and call for a mark on the foreheads of those “sighing and crying”?
    Ezek 8:5 – “Then He said to me, “Son of man, lift your eyes now toward the north.” So I lifted my eyes toward the north, and there, north of the altar gate, was this image of jealousy in the entrance.”
    This is the entrance to the altar sacrifice.  “Furthermore He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations that the house of Israel commits here, to make Me go far away from My sanctuary? Now turn again, you will see greater abominations.” Verse 6
    “And He said to me, “Go in, and see the wicked abominations which they are doing there.” Verse 9
    There was both an “image” as well as activities taking place in God’s Temple.
    “And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in their midst stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan. Each man had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up.” Verse 11
    Were the priests present in the Temple?  No, “elders” had desecrated the Temple of God, blocking the entrance and not allowing approved sacrifices to be offered by God’s appointed priesthood.
    Sound familiar?  Only if you realize that the Temple under Christ, (1 Cor 3:16,17) is the holy anointed priesthood, and an “image of jealousy”, the unanointed elder body, stands in, sits in, and tramples upon, God’s Temple. Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1-3; 2 Thess 2:3,4 So, along with the detestable practices of “shepherding” in the cases of child abuse among other judicial matters, God’s appointed priesthood has been shoved aside for an “image of jealousy” and its detestable activities.
    I hope every elder, every JW, takes note.
    Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Num+16%3A3-7%2C10%2C11%2C18%2C20%2C21%2C35%2C40&version=NKJV
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    "Are things being covered up? No." Really. So did the GB refuse to hand over the documents to the court in California USA or not ? Did the UK branch refuse to hand over documents at first or not ? Yes it seems the UK branch handed them over eventually. Was there a serious problem in Australia or not ? Is the work being done by Reclaimed Voices in the Netherlands just all lies ?  Does the Supreme Court of Quebec have any grounds for a 'class action lawsuit' or not ? Was the two witness rule being used to stop progress on accusations by victims ? Is being disfellowshipped enough ? Past sins ? Are the actions of pedophiles 'past sins' or could it be that as some have mentioned, pedophilia is a mental illness and not controllable ?  And as for making sins known, the apostle Paul wasn't afraid to mention people's sins. 'A man having sex with his father's wife' I believe Paul said.... 
    I left the Org for many reasons. 1. Yes it bothered my conscience to be part of an Org that would allow this to happen. 2. I could not go into the ministry and invite people into such an Org. 3. I did not want to get disfellowshipped for 'causing division in the congregation' as i would have been if I spoke about my concerns with others. 4. I thought and still think that brothers and sisters should be warned about what might happen to them in the ministry due to this situation. Basing this upon a recent happening in the Kingdom Hall which i regularly attended, where a brother was murdered last year. https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/knifeman-admits-devon-jehovahs-witness-791434 . 
    There are many other questions in my mind now. The GB say they are the 'faithful and discreet slave'. they also say that others of the anointed are not of the faithful slave class. Why should we believe them? The GB have changed the meaning of scriptures many times, the generation one being a main issue. Now if they are being guided by Jesus and the holy spirit, why would they make these important mistakes ? Also why would they refuse to be helpful in the cleaning up of the JW Org ? Surely it does bring shame on Jehovah to have his name associated with child Abuse ? 
    "follow what is presented not what we think should be done". Then you are worshipping men by believing everything they tell you, and obeying their orders without question... 'Put not your trust in earthling man, in whom no salvation belongs' (I think that is quoted right). I never follow what I'm told in such things unless it can be proved from scriptures.  And Jesus said 'I want mercy not sacrifice', meaning it's about God's word being a protection and about showing love and empathy. It is not about keeping an Organisation looking clean, 'like a whitewashed grave, full of dead men's bones'... And as for your comparison to the Apostles, well, it's laughable. The Apostles proved fully that they had God's and Jesus' approval and help. The Governing Body of JW Org in no way come close. The GB have only their own words to say they are the faithful slave class, they do not have any proof at all. 
    I could go deeper, into the name Jehovah, but it's too late in the day. YHWH or in Hebrew properly HWHY from right to left. Why is it not Yahweh or as some say Yahovah or Yahowah ? The name Jehovah came from false religion and was convenient to use as people already knew it. But does that make it right ?
    Enough. God Himself or Jesus Christ will judge me. They will look into my heart and they will know my complete life, so they will judge me on what they know about me and what the intentions of my heart are. They will know how I suffered child abuse, sexual. physical. mental, emotional, and how I still suffer torment from it all. And therefore they will see why i have taken my stand for truth.  
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    @AllenSmith You sound aggressive and worried. I've finished my conversation with you. 
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    “Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”  Ezek 9:3-5
    What happens after the that?  And where is God’s present sanctuary/”Jerusalem” found?  Ezek 9:5-11; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:14-17
    Not all grieve over the detestable things in the organization but make excuses for them.  It takes the nations to impress upon Watchtower’s leaders to change their tactics with child abusers.  It is men, leading men; not God and his righteous decrees leading men who call themselves the “faithful and discreet slave”. 
    Every comparison of the organization with all other earthly organizations is comparing all powers together in “Babylon”.  Rev 18:4-8
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    I think we must agree to differ. You keep going on about the ARC. What about the Charity Commision here in the UK. What about the Superior court of Quebec in Canada ? What about Reclaimed Voices in the Netherlands ? And what about the USA and the refusing to hand over the documents ? Then we have the IICSA here in the Uk that are most likely to act on what they know and have another investigation, whether joint with the Charity Commision or separately. Add to this the upcoming Protest in London in August, which they hope will go international.  https://www.gofundme.com/EXJW-Protest-London
    Then the very recent report in Devon Live  https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/jehovahs-witness-used-position-abuse-1333304 
    This situation is not going away. But as you seem to be acting like God himself. knowing good and bad about everything, then there is little point me wasting my time talking to you. You keep pretending there isn't a problem within the Org. Keep kidding yourself. As for me,  I will wait on God to sort it all out. Then when i feel the time is right I will rejoin the JW Org. My prayers go to God daily through Jesus Christ. I ask him for direction and for His help in knowing what He wants me to do. I do not need people like you to tell me what to do.
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    @AllenSmith you misjudge me if you think I hate the Jehovah's Witnesses Organisation. I left the Org because I could not in my conscience try to encourage people to join an org that has a serious problem with Child Abuse. However, having been part of the Org and also having a physical brother who is an Elder in a congregation, I do know a little about how it works. Having been threatened with being disfellowshipped and seeing first hand how the Elders rule over the congregation, I do know what I'm talking about. My information gained is not all from the internet. However, my personal feelings are that God must surely have an organisation here on this Earth, and the JW Org would seem the closest to doing what God wants. So, my hope is that God will cleanse His chosen organisation, if it is the JW Org, or whichever one He chooses... As I've said, in my opinion the JW Org is the closest one to doing God's will, so I presume God will sort it out in His own time. But that is why I'm only concerned with the JW Org. As for this stupid notion that just because Child Abuse is ripe the Earth over, then it becomes old news and not important. That is the danger of over generalising. That is another reason I'm only interested in the Org that i think God is trying to use.  I seriously think we are close to Armageddon, therefore it is very important to have an Org that people can trust. Whilst the JW Org is digging itself deeper into the mire over the Pedophilia issue then it will not and cannot be fully trusteed.... If the Governing Body  were trying to serve God properly then why are they refusing to obey the law of the land by refusing to hand over Child Abuse accusation documents ? If the GB have nothing to hide then why not come clean completely, which would then help the Org to move forward in God's work. Then also In my opinion they should review their ideas on certain scriptures to be more helpful to people, rather than just being dictators. Please remember that Jesus said 'I want mercy not sacrifice'. I think the scripture at Matthew 12, v 9 through 12 is fabulous. Jesus basically says here that the Law was written as a helper and protection of the people, not a burden for the people.. I know that we are no longer living under the Mosaic law but the same issue applies. The Governing Body has made rules to govern the people within, and the Elders too have to follow those rules without question. But it seems that now some Elders are beginning to use their own conscience, and to think more on the scriptures and less on the Governing Body's rules. If it is not careful the JW Org will become divided within itself. I hope that does not happen, but i do hope the Org gets cleansed of it's problems before it's too late. 
      
    You write much but say little. It's so easy to widen out and use blanket excuses to cover all. My only concern is the Child Abuse in the Jehovah's Witnesses Organisation / Watchtower and Bible Tract society.  The Governing Body of those Orgs' say they are the 'Faithful and discreet slave' as mentioned in the bible. Note I say, they say they are, and they expect all in the Orgs to believe them. They are proving themselves to be the 'wicked slave' that is also mentioned in the same scripture. 
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Matthew9969 in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    I am glad to hear that you are not willing to give up on God. Many who find out the truth about the organization, that it is not Gods organization turn to anger and hatred toward religion and abandon God altogether. Here is a support site for believers leaving the jw religion: http://www.4jehovah.org/
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse / Pedophilia and the Governing body.   
    I cannot understand why there is only partial information concerning the Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower Society Child Abuse accusations from around the Earth. I have just put a status on my FB page saying that : The one thing I have learnt in life is, that I don't know the truth about anything".  The reason for this is that there is always some doubt about things read 'online'. Are they true ? Does one want them to be true? Are my opinions correct?   So with that in mind I will continue with the information I 'have read online'. 
    We all know that Child Abuse and Sexual Abuse accusations are, or appear to be 'in fashion' right now. In politics, in entertainment, and in religion. But Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be 'no part of the world', that is the 'world' that belongs to Satan the Devil. So it would come as a surprise then that from top to bottom the JW's are being accused of Child Abuse Earthwide. 
    What I've noted so far : The Australian Royal Commission did a three year investigation into the JW org, most of which is available online to read. They found that since 1950 there were 1006 accusations of Child Abuse within the Australian branch of Jehovah's Witnesses, none of which were reported to the police or secular authorities........... In Canada there have been large court cases in Quebec and Ontario againse JW org..... A $66 million lawsuit against the religion's leadership is taking place.....  In the Netherlands 'Reclaimed Voices' foundation have set up emergency phone lines and have put out advertisements concerning victims of abuse within the JW org there. The 'hotline' had received 80 replies as of December 28th 2017..... In the UK (where I am) the Charity Commision set up an inquiry into the UK branch of Jehovah's Witnesses regarding child abuse / sexual abuse. I think this started with the Manchester New Molton congregation in 2014. The Charity Commision also set up an inquiry into the Watchtower Soc (WTBTS) here in the UK. In Feb 2016. The Org went to court to try to block the investigations but failed. A former elder from South Wales said there was instructions to elders to destroy all documents regarding child abuse. There seemed to be a cost to the Org of over £1 million which I presume is court fines and payouts. 
    Then of course we have the USA. In 2014 a $10.5 million lawsuit against JW Org by Valicia Alston and others. In 2015 the Candace Conti case against Jonathan Kendrick. And in April 2016 the Watchtower Soc' remained defiant in refusing to hand over documents about the Child Abuse in the USA branch of the JW Org.  Now it seems (and remember I'm only going on what I've read) that the JW Org in USA sent out a letter in 1997, to all elders of congregations in the USA. The letter was a direct instruction to the elders to send in ALL documents and information concerning accusations of Child Abuse / Sexual abuse both current and passed. This was to be an ongoing instruction and all information was to be sent in special blue envelopes to Brooklyn. Now there are approx' 14,000 congregations in the USA, and the time period from 1997 to 2017 is of course 20 years. So it would seem that the Governing Body have 20 years worth of accusations concerning Child Abuse and Sexual abuse with in it's USA congregations. However, despite court action and direct instruction to the JW Org / Watchtower Soc', the W/T and JW Org still refuse to hand over the documents to the High court. In November 2017 a High court of California fined the JW Org / WT Soc'  $4,000 per day for not handing over the documents, and it seems the cost so far to the Org / WT is more than           $2 million. I cannot find out if any of this money has been paid or is still owing. 
    One other point that I found interesting (providing it's true of course) is that the Governing Body has deliberately separated the JW Org, known as the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Each of these now has its own Legal Department. The purpose of this is to slow down all court proceedings because the Legal Dept from one has to write to the Legal Dept of the other for information, then the legal Dept of the other refuses such information etc. This is what caused the Supreme Court of California to impose the heavy fines on the Org. Basically the court got fed up with the 'clowning around of the JW Org.  
    So to sum up: It seems that many countries, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, UK and USA, have found and proved many cases of child abuse / sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower Society. But what makes this worse is that the Governing Body of the Org' is deliberately withholding  the information about pedophiles within its ranks. Add to this that elders of congregations Earthwide are instructed not to inform their congregations about pedophiles within their congregation. And, congregation members are told not to report child abuse / sexual abuse within the congregations, to the Police or outside secular organisations. On top of this victims are not believed, because the Governing Body has made a rule that says there must be two witnesses to any accusation of abuse, which of course will not happen in the case of Child abuse or Sexual abuse.
    About me : I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses until about a month ago.  After doing approx three months research online my conscience would no longer allow me to remain within the Organisation. How could I encourage other people to join an Organisation that allows Child Abuse /Sexual Abuse to continue unreported and unpunished within its ranks. There could be a pedophile within the congregation that I was part of, I would never know, because the Elders would keep it secret.... However, I do believe in God, whether His name is Jehovah, Yahweh or something else, and I am keeping my mind open as to how I will find the 'truth' of God's requirements. 
    What i am hoping for is that some BIG media source will bring all the information together concerning all the Child Abuse / Sexual Abuse accusations against the Jehovah's Witnesses Org' and the Watchtower Soc' Earthwide, so that all info' is readily available to everyone. At the moment it all seems so 'bitty' and not organised. Yes there is info' online, but are the sources trustworthy. What is needed is a neutral unemotional factual report, please. 
  13. Haha
    Malum Intellectus reacted to Matthew9969 in WTBTS and Goldman Sachs   
    You jw's sure do love to bash the catholic church, some things never change.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Srecko Sostar in WTBTS and Goldman Sachs   
    Good morning Allen. Thanks for informative links.
    About your thoughts. 
    Is it necessary to compare WTBTS with other "worldly" organizations or with "false religions"?
    Does JWorg members have sufficient  insight into their organization to make such a comparison?
    Is it permissible and is it good for a JW member to compare their religion with another if JWorg is the only true organization?
    If yes, should they be compared to/with  better or worse organizations and individuals than WTBTS  and GB themselves is/are?
    :))
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Why won't the head of the wt org admit it?   
    AllenSmith:
    For someone like you who not only misunderstands the simplest analogies, but EVERYTHING ... there is nothing I can do in any discussion to help you.
    What you wrote is a CLASSIC, so I am saving it here in case you come to your senses and erase it.
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    Yes, it is.  Examine the context from a secular point of view, who also gives scriptural contextual support to his conclusion:
    Albert Barnes Notes on the New Testament:
    Matt 10:11 – “And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide til ye go thence.”
    “Who in it is worthy”.  That is, who in it sustains a fair character will be able and disposed to show you hospitality, and will treat you kindly.  This shows that they were not suddenly and needlessly to throw themselves in the way of insult or want. “
    On a regular basis, JWs receive insults in their door to door work…repetitively and ‘needlessly’.
    “And there abide”.  There remain; as Luke 10 adds, “Go not from house to house.”  They were to content themselves with one house; not to wander about in the manner of vagrants and mendicants; not to be men of idleness, and fond of change; not to seem dissatisfied with the hospitality of the people; but to show that they had regular, important business; to show that they valued their time, were disposed to give themselves to labour, prayer, and meditation; and to be intent only on the business for which he had sent them.  If ministers of the gospel are useful, it will be by not spending their time in idle chitchat, and wandering about as if they had nothing to do; (hmmm, I remember those days “in service” with “pioneers” who never missed their coffee break) but in an honest and laborious improvement of every moment in study, prayer, preaching and religious visiting their people. 
    At Luke 10:7, he footnotes 1 Tim 5:13:
    “And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not.“
    There is no good connotation attached to going “house to house” within the Bible. 
    This was a harvesting work directed by Jesus and Holy Spirit, not as Watchtower leaders expect today, following their own agenda as to what to preach, and how. Sheesh, JTR, you, of all JWs here, know that Watchtower’s “new light”, does become “old darkness” – and if once darkness, always darkness.  2 Cor 6:14   Why would Jesus bless such a “good news”? Since the Wt declares another message than what Jesus or the disciples preached; which is, “come to Jehovah’s (“spirit-directed”) organization for salvation”, (Hab 2:18,19)  and doing it in the stubborn manner they choose; I believe, they are clouded by their own agenda; and I am quite aware of what that agenda is.  Those under the “woman” New Covenant promise are under attack by a force that can only be discerned with spiritual understanding.  Jesus knew this would happen, and both he and the Father knew how.  2 Tim 3:1-9; 2 Thess 2:1-4:9-12; Rev 13:1,4-10
    How can you not see this?  A hundred years ago, an organization develops that takes on a unique “preaching work” spearheaded by anointed ones.  They become quite efficient at covering each house in a territory – repetitively.  This has never been done before.  The incoming contain more anointed ones along with many others.   During the time of the end, a remarkable “Beast” and false prophet comes against the “saints”.  Has the Catholic church surrounded the “camp of saints”?  Will a political entity successfully surround the “camp of saints”?   
    Satan’s net is already full of anointed ones (Rev 12:3,4,15) and those who innocently fall into the same trap - the organization.    Hab 1:9-11,15-17  They are flooded with Satan’s lies, which indeed is darkness.  Interestingly, Satan has used the same method of capturing those “under priests” that he used to scout out Jesus – their High Priest.    
    An example of productive “harvesting” is Ruth, following the direction of Boaz. Ruth 2:8,9,12,17
     
     
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    Matt 10:11 – NWT, “search out” 
    For a more rounded meaning:
    “And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence”  Does this support going “house to house”?
    exetasate exetasate G1833 vm Aor Act 2 Pl OUT-INTERROGATE inquire-ye !
    ἐξετάζω exetázō, ex-et-ad'-zo; from G1537 and ἐτάζω etázō (to examine); to test thoroughly (by questions), i.e. ascertain or interrogate:—ask, enquire, search.
    Luke 9:4 – “And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.”
    menete menete G3306 vm Pres Act 2 Pl BE-YE-REMAINING be-ye-remaining !
    μένω ménō, men'-o; a primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy):—abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), × thine own.
    Luke 10:7 – “And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.”
    Upon entering the city or town, Jesus directed them to “ascertain”, through questions, which house may offer an invitation for them to remain/dwell. 
    Tell me, how do any of the scriptures that you quote, support going “house to house” – house over house, door to door, as JWs have been doing for years?  And in doing so, keeping a log of each individual who was ‘accepting’; even the names of their animals, kids, etc., which they have come under fire for, in other countries?
    What do you think Jesus meant by saying, “go not from house to house”?
     
     
     
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    Really.  Your (bold and underlined) sentence doesn’t make sense one bit to me.  How do you twist Christ’s specific words regarding how he sent out the 70, which was into towns and cities and into the houses of those who invited them, as well as telling them NOT to go “house to house” (KJV),  as HE REALLY DIDN’T MEAN THAT LAST PART?
    This is typical Watchtower talk, reversing the meaning to conveniently fit its purpose.   
    "Therefore. Your citation is WRONG!"
    Which citation is wrong, mine or Christ’s?  Mine is in harmony with Christ's; yours is just the opposite.  
    Who searched house to house for the “firstborn” – to destroy the promised seed?  Matt 2:16-18; Gal 3:16
    Who has sent out unknowing ones, “house to house” and brought in, with sufficient bait, the “firstfruits”?  Rev 12:17; 13:7; 11:7; 6:9-11; Rev 20:9 
    There was a reason why Christ said what he did.  It was a tactic used by Herod to kill him.  
     The Watchtower’s “preaching work” is counterfeit.  There is nothing different about the religion than any other since its database is full of false doctrine and pedophiles, as well as the next religion.  What makes it unique, is it holds the authentic anointed ones, who are the true “witnesses” of God.  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Gal 3:29,26; As long as the organization can keep them captive with the threat of disfellowshipping, they will not be sealed.  Rev 13:10; 20:7-10; 12:4, 15-17; John 16:2
    Ezek 14:22; 6:8; 7:16; 12:16
     
    But to get back on topic, every lie that the GB has uttered; every false and failed doctrine they have issued as under the direction from God, should lead every JW to question whether they should believe anything these men tell them - even where they may live.  
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    .... because, AllenSmith, the GB has supposedly taken a vow of poverty, the same as everyone else at Bethel has ... and SOMEBODY is living in the 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE in the Watchtower owned property in the community of Colony Park, 35 miles from the Warwick Campus .
    Paragraph 12, on page 20 of this months Watchtower ( The One with the airplane on the cover) talking about the Apostle Paul's handling of contributed funds ... " He took steps to ensure that those delivering the funds cared for "everything honesty, not only in the sight of Jehovah but also in the sight of men"  Read 2 Corinthians 8:18-21" (emphasis mine)
    There is solid evidence that the Society has deliberately distorted the truth in the past through selective quote mining, and the fact that in the United States, once contributed money reaches the District level, there is absolutely no accounting for it to the Brotherhood.
    These things make it a very reasonable and prudent thing to ask.... and a real need to really know.
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to JW Insider in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    I've been taking some time off as I needed to do a lot of traveling in the last few weeks, and this will continue for another week or so. But I did notice this comment and wanted to say that I understand what you mean here and have no problem with it. I do not have a problem with this method, per se, and I do not have a problem with most of the conclusions you draw. That includes the points you you have made in this topic. I agree with you. I tend to spend more time on those conclusions you have drawn from evidence that often is directly at odds with your conclusions. This probably leads some people to get the impression that I disagree with more of your conclusions than I agree with. I'm sure we are actually more in agreement than in disagreement, on most topics.
    On this topic, I agree with most of what you said, and I see that most of the participants have also made good points even where I might disagree with some of the overall conclusions. The topic took and interesting turn. I have enjoyed reading it.
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Space Merchant in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    Be careful with this verse, Mark 16:15. There is a very big reason as to why such a verse is removed from most other translations of the bible, or as for Mark 16 itself, Mark 16:9-20 is considered to be not authentic and or uninspired vs. that of Mark 16:1-8 being correct.
    I said something similar to Witness regarding his other post when his answer was that the bible was inspired, when the reality is, most Christians are not aware of Textual Criticism of some verses for not being authentic or God inspired, forged/changed made by men, or not present in the oldest and most reliable source which are the 4th century manuscripts.
    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_verses_not_included_in_modern_English_translations
    Other then that, the other verses you said are correct and true.
  22. Haha
    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    The scripture is not dismissing the preaching of the "good news"... to the "lost sheep of Israel".  Matt 10:23
    I am curious why you refer to the Catholic church and the Pope so much.   Is this because both the Watchtower and the Catholic church are hierarchical organizations; thus, making it easy to compare?
  23. Haha
    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    You may want to be a bit clearer.  What concept?  And, what is my mistaken view?
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    Allen, I am so very glad to see you use the same scriptures I repeatedly share with JWs. 
    John 4:24; Acts 17:24
    We can conclude by the words of Acts 17:24 that God’s House – His dwelling -  is his Temple NOT made with hands. And that Temple, as scripture verifies, would be in the hearts of the anointed Body of Christ. John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 21:14; 1 Cor 6:19-21  If we agree with this, then surely you can also plainly see the hypocritical teaching in this video.
    https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwb_201710_7_VIDEO
    And this one:
    https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-pk_18_VIDEO
    Since the Watchtower clearly exposes its idolatrous ways by calling meeting places, “God’s House”; basically, temples built with hands” (Acts 17:24), shouldn’t His true Temple/anointed ones question why God’s Temple is so defamed by substituting man-made buildings as more valuable than God’s Holy Temple made up of His "living stones"?  1 Pet 2:5,9
    “Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?  Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
    “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
    And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
     “Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord.
    “And do not touch what is unclean;
    And I will welcome you.
     “And I will be a father to you,
    And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,”
    Says the Lord Almighty.  2 Cor 6:15-18
    Please, just reason on this.  The organization’s teachings of upholding and boasting in, man’s visual desires are a stumbling block to God’s true Temple – and to you, and all other JWs. 
    WHAT AGREEMENT HAS THE TEMPLE OF GOD WITH IDOLS? THE LARGEST BEING THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF?  Rev 13:1-8; 2 Thess 2:1-4
     “But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”  Matt 16:23
     
     
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    This statement is posted under the section “Controversy”.  I suppose you take it that attacks by JWs against their own members are not included in the warning? 
    Matt 24:11,12
     
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