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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from ASF-37 in Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. IICSA   
    From the email I received. " In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. " 
    18 different religions, apart from all the government departments and other institutions. So give them a chance.
    It doesn't say that the JW Org is not worth investigating does it ? It's just not top priority. 
    It is sad for the victims of JW Org sexual abuse here in the UK to have to wait longer, but I think the investigation will happen in time.
    As for me despising any religion well those are your words Tom not mine.  
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from ASF-37 in Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. IICSA   
    I was having a discussion on here somewhere with someone, concerning the IICSA investigation into JW Org in the UK. 
    I've just received this email from them so thought I'd put it up on here for people to look at. 
    It doesn't copy and paste exactly as it looks on my email, but here it is anyway :- 
    Our reference: IICSA-0013979

     
    Dear Mr Butler
    Thank you for contacting the Inquiry on 3 February.
    As you may be aware, the Inquiry is investigating institutional failure to protect children from sexual abuse in the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches. In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses.  
    The Inquiry has received correspondence from a considerable number of individuals raising concerns about child sexual abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses organisations. At present the Inquiry is committed to delivering its existing programme and is not currently launching any new investigations. However, as our work progresses, we will consider calls for a Jehovah's Witnesses specific investigation carefully.
    Any updates on our investigations, including scope and hearings can be found on our website at www.iicsa.org.uk/investigations
    Investigations The Inquiry has launched 13 investigations into a broad range of institutions identified on the basis of the Panel’s criteria for selection of investigations. The investigations will give a voice to victims and survivors of child sexual abuse, enable the Inquiry to understand how institutions have failed to protect children from sexual abuse and make practical recommendations to ensure better institutional protection for children in the future. www.iicsa.org.uk  
    I am sorry for the delay in responding to you and I hope that you have found this information useful. If you have any questions regarding the contents of this email, please do not hesitate to contact the Inquiry again.
    Yours sincerely

    Jodie Yarborough
    Head of Correspondence & Engagement Team
    Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
     
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from SuzA in Is it inappropriate for a Christian to participate in Black Friday?   
    Looks to me like JW's have anti -holidays, so it's just as bad.  I've known JW's that will not eat a roast dinner on 25th December because they are frightened it will look like a Christmas dinner.   
    As for pushing for a special effort on a stupid day, well it seems like a way of actually celebrating that day to me. It's like saying they know that day is special to people. 
    And the Christmas day door to door witnessing is not a good thing. It's intrusive and rude. It's not wanted by people outside the JW org.  I did it once just to prove that i wasn't scared to do it, but it does not show love to people, it's just being 'pushy' to the extreme. 
     
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    @BillyTheKid46 You are so funny Kid. Your GB / Watchtower / JW Org talk about billions of people being killed at their idea of Armageddon. 
    I'm only suggesting that your 8 men of the GB might be killed a long time before that Armageddon. 
    I wonder if anyone suggested that Jesus would be killed before it happened ? Please remember that Jesus is the Son of God. but he was murdered.
    And remember that one of JW's was working in my local KH and he was murdered. Stabbed to death. 
    And it seems that it's you that is stockpiling weapons, not me. How's that machine gun you have ? Legal in the USA is it ? 
    And you think I'm crazy  but at least i don't have a house full of guns. 
    I wonder which of us should actually be under investigation ?
    Oh yes Christian ethics. Trust in God but have a machine gun as a backup.  
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    @JW Insider But as I've said before, if the GB are 'taken' in any way (death or prison etc) for the Child Abuse issue or false teachings or shunning etc, then it will not be persecution for serving God, but more like people taking revenge or legal action because the GB did not serve God. 
    Surely you can see that some of the hate that people have for the GB and JW's, has nothing to do with any prophecy, nothing to do with how they serve God, but more to do with the facts of how the GB and JW's behave in an immoral and unjust way. So any 'worldly action' against the GB / JW Org is more likely to be by those that have suffered in some way because of the GB and it's Org's actions. I don't think that is in prophecy.  If the GB tries to pretend that any action against them is related to prophecy I will find it so funny. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    @JW Insider This is what i get when i try the link, because UK is part of Europe 
    451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
    But this court case : Legal legal legal, but no moral, no going the extra mile. No, obeying God as ruler rather than men,  it's obeying the legal department rather than God. 
    Judas, to the very extreme. Think about the money money money. 
     CCJW, a New York non-profit corporation headquartered in New
    York, supports the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses. CR 77, Ex. G ¶¶5-7.
    What ????? So the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's witnesses are not Jehovah's witnesses, they just support Jehovah's Witnesses.  So um, if CCJW is the headquarters, then what it it the headquarters of ?  And how can it be called the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses ?
    And they are also saying that the individual congregations are not part of CCJW or Watchtower.  Then why does each and every congregation have to send its  donations to the CCJW or Watchtower ? The individual congregations can only keep enough money to cover one or two months expenses and has to send the rest to CCJW (or Watchtower).  If the congregations are completely separate then what authority does the CCJW or W/t have over each and every congregation ? 
    Oh well, even more reason to not be a JW isn't it ?  I hope the Kid loves all this  
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    I think many comments on here are edited after a reply is given and the original commenter sees how bad the first comment was. 
    Suppose that is why the Kid and maybe others take screen shots / print screen.  
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    JTR Jr said "The only reason I did not "upvote" TTH's excellent post was this quoted line .... as my experiences and observations have been quite different.  Congregational trials disallow representation, recordings, witnesses to the proceedings,  or transcripts, and are held in secret, and the results often secret as well." 
    It is the fact that they have been kept secret for so long that has resulted in so many court cases Earthwide now. And if TTH thinks the GB / JW Org / W/t has a much better track record it must be because A. the internal 'court cases' have been kept secret, B. There are far more worldly cases than JW cases. 
    I like that JTR Jr uses the expression " than OUR system, where everything is done in darkness, behind closed doors, and anonymously.
    Luke 8 v 17. is a good scripture here. 
    And I just have to repeat what James wrote here :-
    It is an abomination when the Nations have a better system than we do,  and THEIR Justice System imitates what we know from the Bible worked well for thousands of years .... and OUR Congregational system imitates how it is done by tyrants practicing evil.
    So James, do you still invite people into your Kingdom Hall ? Do you still go on the ministry ? 
    Do you invite innocent people to be taught by tyrants practicing evil. ?
    I'm sure you and others are beginning to understand why i left that 'collection of organisations'. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Tom uses a lot of words just to say that the JW Lawyers are actually villains used by the GB, to do the dirty work of trying to get rid of Victims of Child Abuse that are now putting in claims,  in the JW Org. 
    A bit like the religious leaders of the Jews using the Romans to do their dirty work when 'riding themselves of Jesus Christ'. 
    Yes the GB do get some of their ideas from scripture.  
     
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Oh my oh my.  Guns and wars,what topics for so called Christians. And one in particular who seems to worship those past wars and his collection of guns. And he pretends to have something on me which he is passing on to Interpol or someone ? 
    And all of us totally off topic, so where is the @admin to tell us all off. 
    The KId keeps saying he is getting back on topic when he's talking about me hating the GB. Well i don't know if i actually hate the GB or just despise them. Did Jesus hate the Pharisees ? 
    Pointing out real true faults in someone, is that hate ? I don't think it is. 
    Trying to advise people to avoid bad or dangerous situations, is that hate ? I don't think so. 
    So if the Kid condemns me for trying to be helpful to others, so be it. 
    I have learnt one thing for sure, Americans do have a totally different way of thinking to English people. 
    With all that weaponry and war worship i can understand a little bit why they are not disturbed by the amount of collateral  damage in JW Org.  It would seem that Collateral Damage in America is just like buying a burger or hot dog, a daily occurance. 
    As for the ten generations twice removed, it's one big joke. Are you guys really fooled by the GB ?
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    @TrueTomHarley "If it were my defense before the Sanhedrin, that would be a different matter. There I might polish up every word beforehand."
    According to God's word you wouldn't need to. The words would be given you by holy spirit.  Doesn't the Bible say not to worry about making a defence for yourself as the words will be given to you? 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Well it's quite funny to read this comment right now as I've just posted, on my FB / Ex JW page, about JW's that have a stockpile of weapons in their own homes. And how they love to talk about war and about men being run over by vehicles and having their heads blown off. Very Christian attitude, not. 
    And how it seems fine with the GB for 'brothers' in the USA to stockpile guns, and how those 'brothers' seem to have a love for weapons of war..
    I'm sure my readers will find it interesting. 
    I got the idea of copy and paste from the Kid, so I copied and pasted from this blog to my FB. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    @BillyTheKid46  Without twisting exactly what I have said, can you truly find a THREAT that i made against the GB ? 
    To say I would not be surprised if the GB were removed / killed / assaulted etc, is not a threat it is just saying that i would not be in the least surprised. 
    You yourself know that people kill school children for no good reason. They kill people in churches and mosques. They kill people at social gatherings. What exactly is the murder rate per day in the USA these days ? 
    American people have to live with the threat of being shot every day, in the UK it's the threat of being stabbed.  It's reality Billy, you and I know it, but it seems strange that people try to hide those facts. 
    As for screen shots, I don't think they will hold up in court. Well I haven't had the Police knocking on my door yet, but I have warned my wife of your silly threats of reporting me etc. So if they come knocking she will at least know why  .
    Have a good day Kid, this is all so funny, have a laugh.
     
     
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Billy is strange, pretending to be a JW, using writings that are not for true Christians, just to try to back up his useless comments. I think the person is unwell. I was going to say man, but one never knows with stupid avatars, if a person is male or female. 
    I think your own comment applies to you Kid 
     If you were a JW at one point, whoever taught you scripture did a poor job of it. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Quote TTH "To the extent people accept you as a genuine member of the faith". TTH do you really think Billy the Kid is a JW ?
    Even when he quotes a scripture from Matthew that the Org says is fake. 
    And when he uses a bandito as his avatar and has a house full of guns that he seems to love. 
    Strangest type of JW I've ever heard of. 
     
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Oh, I thought you were sending all my comment to a higher authority, the one that the bible mentions 'Superior Authorities' 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    I copied the whole comment to my FB page so that people can make their own mind up about it all. 
    Unlike some on here that pick out just a few words out of context.  
    But I still find people having a love of guns strange. There are people here in the UK that collect German war memorabilia, i find that disturbing too. Perhaps, in my opinion, it should all be forgotten. War in my opinion is racist. The idea that one race has the right to live above another. 
    I tend to collect old household items and farming items, things used for constructive purposes not destructive ones. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    I think it was you that got burned Kid, when I pointed out that the scripture you used from John 8 wasn't recognised as being authentic scripture. 
    But now you go on to use another reference that isn't authentic scripture. 
    My only thought here is that you are trying to guide people away from God's word. Why would a 'Christian' want to do that ? 
    And why would someone who pretends to love the 'Watchtower' / JW Org not use the NWT ? 
    But then why would a 'Christian' have a house full of guns and want to use a murdering outlaw as his avatar ? Do you know I've just found a strange coincidence Billy. Let me show you :- 
    Billy the Kid (born Henry McCarty September 17 or November 23, 1859 – July 14, 1881, also known as William H. Bonney) was an American Old West outlaw and gunfighter who killed eight men before he was shot and killed at age 21.
    Now how many men in that GB ?  How strange that is. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Why would a JW use the Gospel of Thomas which is possibly fake and not inspired of holy spirit ? 
    Remember 'all scripture is inspired ...... ' but the gospel of Thomas is not scripture. 
    My feeling is this Kid is defo' not a JW but is trying hard to destroy the reputation of the JW Org in an indirect way.
    Unlike me that uses direct means and am not frightened to speak my mind. I think the Kid has a grudge against the GB / JW Org / Watchtower and is being sneaky about how he is getting back at them. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    TTH is here trying to put the blame on JTR. TTH has learnt well from the GB and it's Org. 
    Victims in the JW Org very often get told they are to blame. Especially in cases where a victim of mistreatment blames an Elder. Once again we see worship of the Org. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Well the Kid is unwell isn't he ? It's obvious that God does not control all governments. Not would God want to it seems.
    The Devil offered all those 'kingdoms' of the earth to Jesus, so I think it's obvious that the Devil controls them. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    The Kid seems to think that man's laws are higher than God's laws it seems. So what happens when a government tells the JW's not to preach the good news, or not to talk about God ? Romans 13 v1 again Billy. 
    What would your W/t do Billy, obey man's laws ?
    No, it only hides behind man's laws when it is convenient to the GB and it's Org. 
    If 'data protection' hides criminals and sinners in the JW Org, then surely God's laws would override it for true servants of God. 
    I laugh at Billy's use of those last two scriptures. 1 Peter 2 v 16.
    16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.
    The GB / W/t / JW Org are using their freedom as a cover up for evil. That is what the Child Sexual Abuse investigations Earthwide are all about. The known facts and more facts being revealed about this Child Sexual Abuse being committed by Elders and others within the JW Org.   
    But Billy will keep his head in the sand, and as I've said before, he cannot really be a true JW by his thoughts and words. 
     "Either your trust in God or you don't", Billy says.... Yes Billy trust in God, but not in the Watchtower or the GB of JW org. Or in the Elders of JW congregations. 
    'Now you want the Watchtower to be an organization that breaks man’s law to benefit opposers,' Billy says.
    So, are victims of CSA now viewed as opposers in Billy's eyes ? Look after widows and orphans Billy, remember scripture. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    @James Thomas Rook Jr. I totally agree with your first comment above and I believe the first paragraph of this second comment. As for the full proceedings, I didn't watch it all but have seen 'bits' via youtube or somewhere. 
    I do know that the Org tried to withhold information from the Charity Commision here in the UK. 
    I find it so funny when you call JW Org 'OUR' system or org. I cannot fully understand why anyone with your knowledge of the GB / W/t / JW Org would want to be any part of it, but maybe you are still getting info to pass on to us. 
    I would think that half of the time the criminal or sinner is an Elder, and that he is liked and protected by other Elders, so justice is seldom done. And all is hidden behind closed doors. 
    Whereas in that 'wicked old world' outside the Org, justice is more often done, and is seen to be done. 
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    JOHN BUTLER got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Geoffrey Jackson Before the Commission - and the New Requirement to ‘Go Beyond the Law’   
    Yep Bro Jackson totally messed up on the whole thing but those that worship the GB will never see it or never admit it. 
    Back to this point :- 
    February 2017 Watchtower. Who is leading  God's people today ?
     The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. 
    But with this comment here then not much more is needed is it ? 
    The GB are stating that they are the 'Faithful slave' but admitting that their 'food at the proper time' is not perfect spiritual food. Luke 12 v 42
    And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?
    So the GB are saying that the food Jesus is supplying through Holy Spirit, is not good food. Now why would Jesus want to provide bad food for his followers ? 
    Ah but the GB are not inspired of Holy spirit, so um where exactly do they get this spiritual food from then ?
    Let's look at this in a practical way. The GB are the GOVERNING Body of JW Org and Watchtower. (it would seem that officially / legally they are not, but in practical terms they are ). Then there is a Writing Department. Are they inspired of Holy Spirit ? Well if the GB are not then I presume the WD are not. 
    Then we have the point of being Anointed. Surely if a person is Anointed then they are anointed with Holy Spirit ?  Ah, but the GB say they are not inspired of Holy Spirit. 
    So now we have the question, are Anointed ones actually anointed with holy spirit ? And if so are they inspired by holy spirit ? And if not, what is the point of having Anointed ones ? Yes we know they will die and go to heaven as part of the 144,000 but surely they have an important job to do now. They surely should be guiding God's earthly servants in the right direction ? 
    To guide God's earthly servants in that right direction, the Anointed ones would need to be inspired of Holy Spirit and to receive the spiritual food from Jesus Christ. 
    That brings us back to the scripture about the ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew. 
    TTH and possibly BTK seem to want to follow a body of men that :- is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction 
    Why would anyone want to do this ?  Surely if a person wanted to serve God properly they would need proof positive that those men on earth that they follow were approved of by God and by Jesus Christ and that those men were actually being used to supply true spiritual food. 
    Please don't use numbers to justify God's holy spirit. There are surely far more Catholics and Muslims in this wicked world than JW's.  There are millions of bibles written by hundreds of different translators. There must be priests and clerics that put in many hours to their service to their gods. So saying that JW's do this or that proves nothing. 
    What is needed is proof positive of who the true Anointed really are and that they are inspired of God's holy spirit through Jesus Christ.
    And it is my true feeling that before Judgement Day arrives, God will show willing humble people exactly who those 'spiritual Jews' really are. 
     
     
     
     
     

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