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I do find it kinda' funny that JW's love to talk about billions of people being removed / destroyed / killed / murdered at Armageddon. Billions of people.

And for what ? Well JW's say it's for not serving God. But they will also say it's for not being a baptised JW. 

Well we do know for sure that God either deliberately had, or deliberately allowed, the destruction of Jerusalem in circa 70 C E, and for what ? 

Well the Bible shows us it was for not serving God properly, and for killing God's son. 

BUT when I suggest that the Governing Body should be removed or destroyed, oh dear, the JW's they get really upset ya know. 

Governing Body = 8 men.   Jerusalem = how many, men, women and children, thousands of them. 

But oh dear, now it would be murder. So what was it back then ?  Your see JW's live in a dream world, wrapped up in cotton wool, they just cannot face the real world.

The Governing Body do not serve God properly. That is clearly visible to anyone that honestly wants to see it. 

The Governing Body are destroying JW Org, and if JW Org is God's true Organisation then the GB are deliberately working against God and against God's intentions. 

Humans that deliberately work against God and cause problems for God do not last long on this Earth. 

The Bible shows much proof of this, such as those that opposed Moses. 

I am expecting the GB to be removed, one way or another. But only if God really wants to use the JW Org / Watchtower soc for His own purposes. 

If God does not want to use those Orgs then it would seem sensible for God to set up a new Org for His purposes. 

The only problem with the GB being 'removed' is that JW's will call it a 'sign of the times' and 'persecution', but if God causes the removal then I'm sure He will put them straight. 

Those people that say that the GB cannot be removed / destroyed, are those people that worship the GB. And those people that worship the GB may probably need removing too. 

The world is wicked, it belongs to Satan. The Earth is wonderful and it belongs to Almighty God.

For God to save this Earth and for Him to save a few humans too, drastic things have to take place. Drastic things have to take place.

 

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I may have missed something BTK46, but I do not see where in this particular thread, as shown above, where John Butler threatened ANYBODY.

Please correct me with a quote, as you apparently see something that is NOT THERE.

No surprise at that .....

It's either you, or me that is wrong about this, and historically, it's always been you.

If I say the Governing Body is it's own worst enemy, because they keep shooting themselves in the foot and systematically destroying their credibility, day by day, that is NOT a threat.

.... merely a figurative  observation.

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As the Admin pointed out ... by the time I had entered this thread, the Admin had REMOVED THE REFERENCE.

Therefore, you were reacting to what you saw ... and I was reacting to what I saw.

I personally do not even take threats, real or just bluster, too seriously.

I had a very wealthy Elder once call me up, and he said he was going to destroy me.

I nonchalantly replied that he knew where I lived, and I would meet him in the street, in front of where I was staying,  anytime, and we would shoot it out.

I never saw or heard from him again.

... and I do quite often TRY to act like  a three year old little girl ... they are so happy and full of life, and wonder !  

Very, very inspirational!

The best I can manage is a 24/7/365 sense of humor.

I seriously doubt the Governing Body has anything to fear from John Butler, he has no firearms .... whereas YOU, on the other hand, have claimed to own a small arsenal, and a 50 caliber BMG sniper rifle capable of shooting about a mile and a half, accurately, and 4.5 miles total, and I would not be surprised if that foam on your mouth. is NOT shaving cream.

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1 minute ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, no Elder needed to destroy you James, you did that all on your own! 🤗

I forgot to mention, that when he said he was going to destroy me, I first replied that he was welcome to try, and then etc.

Willy-Nilly, he abandoned the Truth about three years after that, and I am still here 45 years later.

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13 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, the present watchtower GB should they be imprisoned for the filthy lies you people put out, it will be no different when that disgusting Catholic Church put Rutherford and the board directors behind bars for sedition. A whopping lie if ever I saw one.

That is so ludicrous I don't even know where to start.

The reason the Brothers were imprisoned for sedition, etc ... IS THAT THEY WERE GUILTY !

They were not let out of prison early because of some imaginary vindication ... they were let out because the "Great War" was over.

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The FACTS were that they were encouraging Christian values ....  which to a nation involved in a global war for survival ... true Christian values ARE SEDITION.

The rules change as a practical matter when a million men die in a year long battle, and Europe looks like the craters on the face of the Moon.

The Society WAS guilty of sedition, in encouraging men to uphold Christian Values, and NOT WAR, at a time when the Republic faced destruction at the hands of the Germans.

...and that's the fact, Jack.

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I don't care if it was encouraged by Mickey Mouse from the future!

If it is the death penalty to park your car in a handicapped parking space, and you DO park your car in a handicapped parking space ... it does not matter WHO made or influenced the laws.

You have committed a capital crime.

You are GUILTY of a capital crime!

.... and it is lawful to execute you.

The fact that the law is changed at a later date IS A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT!

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I suppose it all comes down to the issue of credibility of the one doing the analysis of unseen, invisible things that happened a hundred years ago.

How many times has the WTB&TS been right?,  and

How many times has the WTB&TS been wrong?

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3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The reason the Brothers were imprisoned for sedition, etc ... IS THAT THEY WERE GUILTY !

There was a little bit more to that. The government misunderstood neutrality for sedition. If I remembered right, in one of his books (The finished mystery)  Rutherford spoke rather brashly (as was his custom sometimes) about the evilness of Christendom and war. Those particular quotes were later removed, but before that, they did provoke Christendom to point fingers and get the brothers in trouble any which way they could, and one of these was to accuse them of sedition.

They wouldn't have been acquitted of all charges had they been guilty.

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For a second, I thought you were praising the death of someone. Then I looked further.

Among all things, regardless of what anyone says, the Bible holds true to word of what will happen to the wicked. And it is going to be far worse of what we read of things in the Hebrew Old Testament.

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3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

No one has gotten the Watchtower history right, yet! Therefore, the only one thinking the watchtower broke the law in wartime is you James.

That's because I am the only one that got the history right!

I am freaking AWESOME!

Good Detectives detect much.

With the same facts, bad Detectives detect nothing.

...  you have my condolences.

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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If they were not guilty of sedition ... then why did they later remove seditious elements from the Society's publications.?

Hmmmmmm ?

 

Because they were understood (misunderstood) to be seditious by others. Later, the brothers regretted that they removed them.  The 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses commented on the incident on page 119:

"After their trialsome period of 1917-1919, Jehovah’s people subjected themselves to scrutiny. Realizing that they had acted in ways that did not meet with God’s approval, they sought forgiveness in prayer repenting of their former course. This led to Jehovah’s forgiveness and blessing. One compromise had been the cutting of pages from The Finished Mystery, this to please those who had assumed the position of censor".

Something from waaaaaay back:

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.... a little souvenir from the early 1970's I keep as a memento of interesting times ... and to surreptitiously quick  flash when I show a traffic officer my drivers license.

The gold flash has gotten me out of seven speeding tickets, and I never asked for any consideration, and never gave any explanation.

My eldest son was stunned when I got stopped in a 35mph zone doing 57 miles per hour.. When we pulled off without a ticket he said "I gotta get me one of those!".

By the way ... the little red thingies are Chicken Nipples.  They sell them on Amazon.

.... really!

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9 hours ago, Anna said:

The government misunderstood neutrality for sedition.

Perhaps The WT Society (as New Government on Earth after Armageddon) similarly misunderstand many ex JW who want to be "neutral" on acts and laws of WT Society. And try to act according to own Conscience. By that they were, in eyes of WT Society, acted as "traitors" aka apostates.

Sedition, crime against the state. Though sedition may have the same ultimate effect as treason, it is generally limited to the offense of organizing or encouraging opposition to government in a manner (such as in speech or writing) that falls short of the more dangerous offenses constituting treason. - 

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Sedition is the illegal act of inciting people to resist or rebel against the government in power.

   

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5 hours ago, Anna said:

Because they were understood (misunderstood) to be seditious by others. Later, the brothers regretted that they removed them.  The 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses commented on the incident on page 119:

"After their trialsome period of 1917-1919, Jehovah’s people subjected themselves to scrutiny. Realizing that they had acted in ways that did not meet with God’s approval, they sought forgiveness in prayer repenting of their former course. This led to Jehovah’s forgiveness and blessing. One compromise had been the cutting of pages from The Finished Mystery, this to please those who had assumed the position of censor".

Something from waaaaaay back:

    Hello guest!

 

I see this from text.

First, they "Compromise their Neutrality" by Obeying Censor and Not God. :)))

Second, why to speak about Worldly things (wars and weapons and politics) IF they want to be "Neutral" about Politics and Worldly Things? :))) IF someone want to be Neutral about something then He/They Have NO Opinion on something or at least They must "shut their mouth" and NOT to Tell WHAT IS Their Opinion, Thinking, Attitude. :)))) With this behavior you show your "neutrality"!  :)) and not taking sides.

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8 hours ago, Anna said:

"10 nipples will keep a flock of up to 40 chickens or 30 turkeys well hydrated"

There is nothing that warms the cackles of my heart more than contemplating a well hydrated chicken.

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If they are referred to as being chicken ... they have a good excuse!

Results vary ....

 

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12 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The list above are people that were sentenced for wartime espionage. The outcome was death! Another indicator how divine intervention played a key role in Rutherford’s and the board of director’s behalf.

This just proves you exult yourself for KNOWING NOTHING!

It's better you play with your chickens and leave the law to people that really understand it, and not guess just to look good before your apostate friends and for not having the capability to be honest with your failures just like ?Winsider.

There is so much flawed reasoning in your post above that I am glad it's self evident, and I don't have to debunk it .. that's a LOT of work. For someone with agenda driven comprehension. It would be a waste.

Like singing to a pig. The only thing it would accomplish is wear out my voice, and irritate the pig.

The discussion is about SEDITION.

You write detailed essays on espionage!

Not the same, Tonto.

If Divine Intervention played a part in Rutherford getting released, was it also Divine Intervention that he died a miserable, embarrassing, slow , and painful death from anus/rectal  cancer?

It is my understanding that everybody at Bethel hated him, and that at his funeral, only two Bethelites showed up, one of them being Nathan H. Knoor. (Divine Intervention?)

Were the many Bethelites guided by Holy Spirit to shun him at his own funeral?

Since you are so gullible, I will invite you to invest in JTR's FDIC-hahahahaha   insured left pocket hedge fund with every cent you have or can borrow.  No need to even give me your real name and address .... I TRUST you!

Perhaps your Mommy will advance your allowance!

Your reward will be in Heaven, as with the accumulated interest, you can pay for your sins with the currency of the imagination. I would not want to sully your conscience with anything else.

The worst penalty is for Watchtower Lawyers, and their ilk, .

  "In God We Trust", but THEY have to pay cash.

JTR

 

 

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

You have the last word, Wacky Jackie!

if only that were true, Billy .... If only that were true .....

OK ... here goes ....

BTK46 - You live in a self induced fantasy world of your agenda driven imagination.

There is nothing anybody can do for you.

Try not to drool.

 

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20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

IF they want to be "Neutral" about Politics and Worldly Things? :))) IF someone want to be Neutral about something then He/They Have NO Opinion on something or at least They must "shut their mouth" and NOT to Tell WHAT IS Their Opinion, Thinking, Attitude. :)))) With this behavior you show your "neutrality"!  :)) and not taking sides.

Yes, I see what you are saying. And you are right, they shouldn't have criticized the various sides. I don't think it was in the spirit of making one side worse or better than the other side, but still, they shouldn't have commented at all. That was a mistake that thankfully does not happen anymore.

 

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Without a bullet through the brain stem, or a radical frontal lobotomy, I am not sure anymore that one can truly be "neutral" about anything. 

Perhaps the best we can manage is be uninvolved. (?)

To not have an opinion about things going on around you means that you are brain dead.

NOT GOOD.

It is my understanding that the Society now allows voting to be a matter of conscience ( to keep from being sued out of existence for sedition ?) ... but I have not really been keeping up on that issue.

 

 

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The Society's Lawyers and Accountants are now running the show, and our "official theology" has been modified a dozen times to keep the financial coffers full.

It has been a sad, sad thing to watch evolve.

When this generation passes away, those that saw these changes will no longer be able to recount them, and the memory of them will disappear.

There will be no "overlapping generations".

Those that spin control the past, control the present.

Those that spin control the present, control the future.

...... and I will be safely ....... dead.

 

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How many people was on the earth when Jehovah destroyed the earth in Noah`s day?

Do you think numbers of people make a difference?

7 Billion people on the earth today, how many are doing according to the written word (Bible)?

Why would you keep bad apples among the good?

those who do not understand or will not understand like some on here, who gave you the authority to accuse Jehovah of murder at armageddon, who gave you the right to question the ruler of everything!

If Jehovah wants to He could wipe out the entire earth, He has the right to do anything He wants and no-one has any right to question His actions.

Yes it`s Jehovah who decides who lives and who dies! 

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I see a deliberate attemp by Mr. Butler to twist the facts and distort information.

He may appear to understand the facts, but in no manner should he be given serious consideration folks.

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3 hours ago, derek1956 said:

If Jehovah wants to He could wipe out the entire earth, He has the right to do anything He wants and no-one has any right to question His actions.

About - No one has any right to questioning His action. 

I think how you made wrong conclusion on this. When satan and after Adam and Eve "questioned" JHVH actions, it is interesting how God, you want to defend with this few resolute statements, done in fact opposite of your conclusions.

How? God not punished none because of "questioning Him and His actions or rules". In fact JHVH allowed them and many other people after them to addressing "questions" of all sort. Until today. And God not show any animosity to Questioner or to Questions. He is displeased with some bad deeds of human, but that doesn't mean how He waiting to judging your thoughts and words, even against Him. 

He have more understanding for people and their questions than you showed in your personal presentation and mediating for God and in defending His Honor in simple sentence statement above.

I would be pleased that God "wipe out" bad things and people who in purposely evil mind doing those evils to others. But in same time, I do questioning God's waiting, and many more. Because, too many people and children and animals suffer (suffered in the past) because of His "waiting".

And if He decide to "wipe out entire earth", as you give suggestion that He might, ... so how that helps to prove - you are right and I am wrong ?? :)))) 

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On 7/29/2019 at 6:07 AM, Matthew9969 said:

Most rank and file have been conditioned to believe the governing body is Jehovah

No truer words spoken. 

It really isn't the rank and files fault either, they have been conditioned over the years to think that way by the way the publications are worded. If they say it subtly enough times, its bound to stick. 

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7 hours ago, derek1956 said:

How many people was on the earth when Jehovah destroyed the earth in Noah`s day?

Do you think numbers of people make a difference?

7 Billion people on the earth today, how many are doing according to the written word (Bible)?

Why would you keep bad apples among the good?

those who do not understand or will not understand like some on here, who gave you the authority to accuse Jehovah of murder at armageddon, who gave you the right to question the ruler of everything!

If Jehovah wants to He could wipe out the entire earth, He has the right to do anything He wants and no-one has any right to question His actions.

Yes it`s Jehovah who decides who lives and who dies! 

You bring out a couple of good points.  Yet, what does the phrase “Judicial Committee” mean to you, Derek?  It is judgment put upon a person by the elders, men who have the given authority (by the GB) to judge someone as spiritually alive or spiritually dead.  Matt 10:17; John 16:2; 7:1,2; Luke 6:37; James 4:12  Many times this judgment is made on the basis of doctrine that has been dropped or changed by the GB, and those judged refuse to absorb the lie. Or, it is based on the refusal to accept 1914, using scriptures verifying why one rejects it. Others, who read scripture realize there is no earthly organization that must obtain our allegiance, in order for us to receive life. Rev 13:4,12; John 14:6 (edit)  It is enforced because victims of abuse speak out when not receiving the attention and care needed, but are told to get along with their abuser who may reside in the same congregation.  If and when they speak out in pain and suffering against this injustice, THEY are judged as spiritually “dead”, and shunned. Rev 13:15 If these individuals who are disfellowshipped never returned to the organization, do you believe they will be saved in Armageddon?  If not, then you accept the unfair judgment of an organization of men, over that of Christ's law of love.   Rom 2:1-3; Gal 5:14

These are the facts.  Christ has been given the authority to judge individuals based on his Word; even so, if the organization was truly operating under his guidance, the anointed ones – the true priesthood (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10) – would be leading, teaching and “judging” in righteousness and love, since they would be listening to one Head directly, Jesus Christ; and not to a mediator, the governing body.  Mal 2:7; 1 Cor 6:2

A true “faithful and discreet slave” would not shut the mouths of his brothers and sisters and expect undue allegiance only to their word; threatening them with disfellowshipping if they choose to listen to the gift of Spirit within their heart.  1 John 3:10-12; Matt 24:48-51; John 15:26

I think John recognizes these things, and realizes that men who unofficially judge others with such serious matters, show the WT organization to be a cloaked tyranny.  They play with lives, and ruin them.  The Father and Christ see all. They hear all.  And they will act on the sins of God’s people.  Isa 42:14-17; Rev 18:4-8

 

 

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

How sad that you invoke scripture and cite it without a meaningful argument that TRUTH be told, it is NOT the Elders, GB or the Watchtower for that matter that concludes those that consider themselves Christians and pledge loyalty by baptism will be punished by God as instructed by Christ who left clear instructions in scripture for those that became Christians and reverted to their worldly ways, or those that didn’t experience worldly ways due to being born within the organization but felt they had missed out on something good and exciting as putting to death their spirituality because there are people out in the world that cannot defend the misapplication of said scripture.

Aside from the fact that this paragraph is one long sentence, which I'm having trouble making sense of;  I ask you, who do you believe the "elders" in the first century were?  Those not anointed?  I'm referring to your scriptures in 1 Timothy.  

1 Cor 6:2

 

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3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

That would depend on you and if you understand 1 Peter 5:3. The first century Elder by comparison still had more authority than what secular law allows modern day Elders.

1 Peter was written to the “chosen” (1 Pet 1:1,2) So, the elders of 1 Pet 5 were “chosen” ones – the anointed.  1 Pet 2:5,9

Today’s elders are not members of the Body of Christ. Eph 4:4-8,11-13,15,16 They cannot “shepherd” as Christ expects, since they have usurped the authority of his bodily members. Dan 12:7; Rev 11:2 They are the same body of men who disfellowship Christ’s “brothers” for their testimony to him and truth. John 16:2; Rev 11:3,7; 6:9; 13:1,2,11,15

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, Today's Elders are commanded by God to uphold the cleanliness and spirituality of the congregation.

No.  God does not command a counterfeit priesthood to rule over His appointed priests. Num 18:7;2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9; Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15 No matter how clean the organization appears on the outside, inside it is full of “greed and evil” – abominations blatantly exposed in the sight of God. Ezek 8:5-13; Luke 11:39

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

In modern times, it remains the same format for modern Elders. In that sense, the Elders are NOT running people’s lives, but they do have a scriptural obligation and moral duty before God to keep the congregation clean. Acts 20:28

Yes, they most certainly are “running people’s lives”.  They are the “man of lawlessness” “sitting in the Temple (anointed priesthood) of God.” (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  They judge according to men’s laws and not the laws of Christ.  Jer 23:1

To say that an elder body appointed by men is as well accepted in your “earthly organization” as the anointed “144,000” are, in God’s “heavenly organization”, begs the question; which one do you believe God places His trust?  Those He has approved and refined as “blameless”, or those chosen by men, who have caused suffering, the breakup of families, even death to thousands?  1 Pet 1:7; Rev 14:5

Rev 5:9,10

And they sang a new song:

You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slaughtered,
and you purchased[

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for God by your blood
from every tribe and language
and people and nation.

You made them kings
and priests to our God,
and they will reign on the earth.

 

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The chosen back then, just like today under the confines of Christianity are chosen by the spirit of God.

Yes, they are, by an anointing.  Titus 3:4-7; 2 Cor 1:21,22

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The simplest and the most evident on your misunderstanding, who are all in the “body of Christ” that you continue to dwell on as a self-proclaimed anointed. Anointed and anyone, being saved by the spirit is part of that body. You have overplayed this false theory. A new theme is needed!

 

1 Corinthians 12:12-27 English Standard Version (ESV)

 

One Body with Many Members

I truly am sorry, but if you check the earlier WT sources, you will find that the Body of Christ consists of the anointed ones, who ARE the many members under Christ, their Head.   Today, the fine line between anointed Body and those not anointed is becoming indistinguishable.  It is because, what once began as truth, has transformed into a lie. 

Rev 16:13,14 - "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, ("organization")  and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (GB leaders)   For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth (anointed ones; Rev 1:5; Rev 5:10) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

 

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      The reason that the (GB) evil slave says that " My Master is delaying " is because the ( GB ) evil slave have been concerned about the exact time of Armageddon. They have so many failed predictions that they know the congregation has lost faith in them and no longer trust them. This of course makes them more worried about their position and escalates the beating of their Fellow Slaves. 
      But now look at verses 50 and 51 of Matthew 24. 
       
      the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51  and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.
      This clearly shows that a time is coming soon when Jesus Christ will remove the evil slave and punish them. 
      When that happens a true SLAVE (Anointed ones) will arise to lead God's true Domestics (earthly class).
    • By 4Jah2me
      So lets try to be a bit positive.  A question.  How is the GB and the JW Org moving forward SPIRITUALLY ?
      What progress has it made in the last fifty years ?   I'm not talking about physical things, not buildings, not books, not meeting times........ 
      I'm talking about purely spiritual matters.  Spiritual guidance, true spiritual love from the top of the Org down, mercy, understanding of people, serving the congregants as a way of serving God Himself (as Jesus did), showing patience without having weakness, making true adjustments according to true scripture not according to man's guesses. 
      You may of course comment as to what you feel would make for good spiritual progress within the JW Org too. 
    • By 4Jah2me
      I do hear occasionally on this forum, the expression of, (oh dear it's gone now), I'll say Basic beliefs, Foundation beliefs, of Jehovah's Witnesses. 
      My point being, when were those basic foundations started ?  Yes we have Russell and Rutherford et al. So who decided what was what and when ? 
      We have things like 'hell fire' eternal damnation' ' soul in continual punishment' etc. But who basically found the truth from God's word about 'The dead are conscious of nothing at all' ?
      Then we have the 'resurrection of the dead',  those being split into heavenly and earthly. Who decided these things from scriptures ? And when ? 
      It would probably take me 10 years, which I probably do not have left, to research all the things I wish to know. 
      So here is a question. From 1960, what new serious Bible knowledge do we have from those whom regard themselves as the F&DS or top of the tree ?
      What have they given to the congregation that is of extreme importance ?  BUT, more importantly what have they given that they haven't changed since giving it ? 
      So we've lost the 7,000 year creative days. We've lost Armageddon in 1975, We've lost no blood / replaced with blood fractions. We've lost the Superior Authorities as God and Christ, and probably lots more. BUT what important beliefs have we gained since 1960 ? What IMPORTANT SCRIPTURAL input have those at the top made since 1960 ? 
       
    • By 4Jah2me
      I was in conversation with an elder last week (or maybe two weeks ago) and I don't quite know how we got onto the topic but we started talking about suicide. I was a bit surprised when he said "But don't commit suicide or you will not get a resurrection". 
      I was wondering where exactly this information comes from. Having recovered from the shock, I have since emailed this elder and got no response. I have looked on JW Org and read a couple of older articles on there, but they seemed to say that it is or was not their place to judge, which i agree with. 
      So, is there 'new light' on the subject of suicide ? If so where does this new light come from ? And what scriptures back up this 'new light' ?
      I will willingly read any recent articles that are passed on to me, as this latest information, if it is true, i find disturbing. I know of many people that have committed suicide, both inside and outside of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organisation. 
       
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
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      The Supreme Court of Canada heard arguments Thursday in a lawsuit against a religious congregation’s “shunning” practice, but the congregation and several other groups contend the justices had no right to even take part in the case.
      Randy Wall, a real estate agent, filed the suit against the Highwood congregation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization in Calgary, Alberta.
      Wall was expelled from the congregation for getting drunk and not be properly repentant, court records said. He pursued an appeals process through the Jehovah’s Witnesses then went to court because he said the Witnesses’ “shunning” — the practice of not associating with him in any way — hurt his business.
      He explained his two occasions of drunkenness related to “the previous expulsion by the congregation of his 15-year-old daughter.”
      A lower court opinion said: “Even though the daughter was a dependent child living at home, it was a mandatory church edict that the entire family shun aspects of their relationship with her. The respondent said the edicts of the church pressured the family to evict their daughter from the family home. This led to … much distress in the family.”
      The “distress” eventually resulted in his drunkenness, Wall said.
       
      Wall submitted to the court arguments that about half his client base, members of various Jehovah’s Witnesses congregations, then refused to conduct business with him. He alleged the “disfellowship had an economic impact on the respondent.”
      During high court arguments Thursday, the congregation asked the justices to rule that religious congregations are immune to such claims in the judicial system.
      The lower courts had ruled that the courts could play a role in determining whether or not such circumstances rise to the level of violating civil rights or injuring a “disfellowshipped” party.
      The rulings from the Court of Queen’s Bench and the Alberta Court of Appeals said Wall’s case was subject to secular court jurisdiction.
      A multitude of religious and political organizations joined with the congregation in arguing that Canada’s courts should not be involved.
      The Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms said in a filing: “The wish or desire of one person to associate with an unwilling person (or an unwilling group) is not a legal right of any kind. For a court, or the government, to support such a ‘right’ violates the right of self-determination of the unwilling parties.”
      Previous case law has confirmed the right of religious or private voluntary groups to govern themselves and dictate who can be a member.
      But previously rulings also reveal there is room for the court system to intervene when the question centers on property or civil rights.
      The Association for Reformed Political Action described the case as having “profound implications for the separation of church and state.”
      It contends the court should keep its hands off the argument.
      “Secular judges have no authority and no expertise to review a church membership decision,” said a statement from Andre Schutten, a spokesman for the group. “Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere.”
      John Sikkema, staff lawyer for ARPA, said: “The issue in this appeal is jurisdiction. A state actor, including a court, must never go beyond its jurisdiction. The Supreme Court must consider what kind of authority the courts can or cannot legitimately claim. We argue that the civil government and churches each have limited and distinct spheres of authority. This basic distinction between civil and spiritual jurisdiction is a source of freedom and religious pluralism and a guard against civic totalism.”
      He continued: “Should the judiciary have the authority to decide who gets to become or remain a church member? Does the judiciary have the authority to decide who does or does not get to participate in the sacraments? Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere. Here we need separation of church and state.”
      The Alberta Court of Appeal, however, suggested the case was about more than ecclesiastical rules.
      “Because Jehovah’s Witnesses shun disfellowshipped members, his wife, other children and other Jehovah’s Witnesses were compelled to shun him,” that lower court decision said. “The respondent asked the appeal committee to consider the mental and emotional distress he and his family were under as a result of his duaghter’s disfellowship.”
      The church committee concluded he was “not sufficiently repentant.”
      The ruling said “the only basis for establishing jurisdiction over a decision of the church is when the complaint involves property and civil rights,” and that is what Wall alleged.
      “Accordingly, a court has jurisdiction to review the decision of a religious organization when a breach of the rules of natural justice is alleged.”
       
                     
    • By Jack Ryan
      I'm a 21 yo PIMO on the West coast. My family and I attended a wedding this past Saturday and I was completely disgusted by my family's and congregation's behavior.
      The couple that got married are both studies, so they didn't get married at the Kingdom Hall. However they requested an elder to give the wedding ceremony talk (and I call it a talk because it was 95% scriptures and 5% about the couple) and they invited mostly JWs aside from their families.
      Everything was going pretty well, until about 40 min after the ceremony. I just finished eating when my dad whispered to my brother and I that we had to leave because there was a DF'd woman that was invited. I sincerely apologised to the couple for leaving because I felt awful that I had to play along with all of the invited JWs and awkwardly leave the wedding so soon.
      Once my family was in the car, I asked my dad who the woman was. He revealed to me that it was the groom's mom. Apparently a couple of elders went and talked to her and asked her to leave. She refused, so they let her know that we'll all be leaving.
      I was shocked and appalled at the insanity of the situation I found myself in. This couple isn't even baptised and they invited more JWs than family to their wedding only to have them all leave because the groom's mom is in attendance. To top it all off, the brothers afterwards were saying stuff like: "I can't believe that she could be that selfish" and "Aw that poor couple, because of ONE person, everyone had to leave. She totally ruined their wedding".
      The indoctrination is insane in this cult, of fucking course the groom is going to invite his own mother to his wedding. I can't believe that I'm expected to feel offended at the mother for refusing to leave her son's wedding. I really hope that the newlyweds see this as crystal-clear evidence that this is a cult.
      - Contributed
      --------------------------------
      Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?"
      He said, "He who showed mercy on him."
      Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise... Unless they're dfed then leave em to die."
       
      --------------------------------
      Their actions are codified as follows:
      *** w81 9/15 p. 30 par. 23 If a Relative Is Disfellowshiped . . . ***
      "There is no point in looking for some rule as to family members being at gatherings where a disfellowshiped relative might be present. This would be something for those concerned to resolve, in keeping with Paul’s counsel. (1 Cor. 5:11) And yet it should be appreciated that if a disfellowshiped person is going to be at a gathering to which nonrelative Witnesses are invited, that may well affect what others do. For example, a Christian couple might be getting married at a Kingdom Hall. If a disfellowshiped relative comes to the Kingdom Hall for the wedding, obviously he could not be in the bridal party there or “give away” the bride. What, though, if there is a wedding feast or reception? This can be a happy social occasion, as it was in Cana when Jesus attended. (John 2:1, 2) But will the disfellowshiped relative be allowed to come or even be invited? If he was going to attend, many Christians, relatives or not, might conclude that they should not be there, to eat and associate with him, in view of Paul’s directions at 1 Corinthians 5:11."
      No rule given LOL, gotta love Watchtwer's constant plausible deniability wording.
    • By Jack Ryan
      A Norwegian JW woman, who was sexually abused, was disfellowshipped for fornication. The woman first appealed inside the organization - without success. Feeling injustice, she then decided to sue Jehovah's Witnesses. The court decided last month that the disfellowshipping was against the Norwegian law and must be canceled. The court also ordered the local Jehovah's Witness organization to pay 100 000 NOK to the woman.

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    • By Witness
      Not long ago, Gerrit Losch asked, “So, whom do you trust?  You fully trust Jehovah, Jesus and the faithful slave.”  “Do you trust me?  I hope so.”  He quoted, Prov 14:15:
      “The naive person believes every word.  But the shrewd one ponders each step.” 
      The leaders of the organization teach that it is God’s organization. This would mean all instructions, all teachings, would come from God. So, we could surmise that all teachings are trustworthy, that JWs could thoroughly expect their leaders in charge, to tell them the truth as Losch expressed above - truth spoken at all times.  
      JWs, you are told that you hear God’s promises when you listen to what the organization teaches you. You are told you love the organization because it teaches you “wonderful truths”. You are admonished to do what the organization wants you to do, because it is God’s proactive organization, always guiding you for your benefit, with your best interests at heart. Isa 48:17,18
      However, since your anointed leaders claim not to be inspired by Holy Spirit, how can you trust their teachings as beneficial and coming from God? (1 John 2:27; Rom 5:5) (1 Cor 12:4,7; Heb 2:4)
      We’re talking about a multi-million-dollar organization in the earthly spiritual realm that promises to guide you to salvation. (Phil 3:19; Rom 1:25) That’s a big deal! Millions of people depend on it, to lead them in truth; since without truth, we cannot be saved. John 8:32;14:6
      Ask yourself, how can it be done without its leaders’ inspiration from Holy Spirit? On a wing and a prayer, as the saying goes? What leads them, what motivates them, if their hearts are not inspired with truth from Christ? (John 16:13; 2 Pet 3:18) (1 John 4:1; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 8:11;13:15; 16:13,14)
      I have heard 1 Cor 13:8 used by one of the GB members, as the reason for lack of inspiration among the organization’s leaders:
      “Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will be done away with. Where there are various languages, they will cease. Where there is knowledge, it will be done away with.”
      Has knowledge vanished away during these last days? No. Then, why would prophesy cease? Dan 12:4; Rev 11:1-3
      Consider verse 9,10: 9 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10 but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with. "
      “That which is complete” has not arrived; thus, prophesy as well as knowledge, has not ceased. John 16:13
      (Consider “Has Prophesy Ceased?”  4womaninthewilderness, Pearl Doxsey) 
      What if, you found a teaching in the history files (there are several, and easy to find) that wasn’t trustworthy; that is, it couldn’t be applied today since it was replaced with another teaching? And, this teaching affected the promise of salvation for thousands of people? Many may have died under that false teaching, going to their grave believing simply, a lie. Would this be any different than a Catholic going to his grave believing in the trinity? A lie is a lie. God or Jesus would not be responsible for the organization giving you faulty instructions, that later had to be scrapped. It falls on the shoulders of men. Isa 2:22 We must admit that it is an abnormal relationship of a spirit inspired organization (“spirit-directed”), to be led by uninspired leaders. John 3:21; 1 John 1:6; Rev 13:11,12,15
      I think you’ll agree that we would never receive bad advice or direction from the Father, because He truly has our best interests at heart. Jer 29:11 So much so, that we received warning from Jesus of false “christs”, false prophets who would come on the scene in the last days to deceive “even the elect”. Matt 24:22-25 Now, the “elect” are the anointed ones, where the majority are gathered presently in the organization. Rev 20:7-9 Would they, as a group, be deceived by false prophets in “Christendom” if they are baptized JWs? Would they, as a group, be 'conquered' spiritually by any false prophets in the world when they are already JWs? Rev 13:7; 9:1-4
      The Bible speaks of an anointed “remnant” coming out of “Babylon”. Zech 2:6,7; Matt 24:15,16; Rev 18:4; 12:14,6 If that remnant is the anointed in the organization that have escaped Babylon, as your leaders teach you, this would indicate there are numerous anointed ones in Christendom who never entered the organization. Do you believe this, JWs?
      The anointed are a remnant, the last group of the “woman’s seed” to face Satan’s final test before the Kingdom arrives. Rev 12:4,15,17 This test is called the “Great Tribulation”. Jer 30:5-7; Matt 24:21,22; Rev 3:10 Deceit is at its helm, since it is Satan’s greatest, most powerful tool to use against God’s people. 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12
      The Great Tribulation is a spiritual assault by Satan upon the remnant (Rev 12:17; 20:8-10; 16:13-16; 1 Tim 4:1; Luke 21:20-22)
      through the greatest Army that has ever existed [Rev 13:1,4; 11:2; 9:7,10; Luke 22:31; 21:20-22,24; Mark 13:14 – (Num 18:7); Matt 24:15,16]
      It has a deceptive priestly - princely veneer (Jer 7:4,8; Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 9:7; Nahum 3:17) of divine inspiration*** and approval, through endorsement by the false prophet's lying spirit, not by God's spirit! (Rev 13:14,15; 19:20) (Rev 2:2; 2 Cor 11:13-15; 2 Tim 3:5,13; Matt 7:15; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:14,13,15; 19:20; Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:15--***"breath" -John 2:22).  Pearl Doxsey, “The Great Tribulation, What and Why?” 
       
      DECEIT. How do we conquer deceit? By examining each teaching offered by an anointed one, and comparing it to God’s standards through Jesus Christ - to determine if it is true. Matt 7:20; John 15:5 As humans adjusting our spiritual beliefs, we may easily settle for what feels good, but not always for what is right. This last test is one that should purge our minds and hearts of falsehoods, but not all will submit to God’s pure standards of truth. Dan 12:10; Ps 66:10-12; Mal 3:2-4   Not all will be among the “remnant” to “come out of her, my people”. Rev 18:4-8
      Will you?  Or, are you the naive one who believes every word that comes from leaders who are not "inspired" by the truth of Christ?
       
      Praise Yah!
      I will extol YHVH with all my heart
      in the council of the upright and in the assembly.
      2 Great are the works of YHVH;
      they are pondered by all who delight in them.
      3 Glorious and majestic are His deeds,
      and His righteousness endures forever.
      4 He has caused His wonders to be remembered;
      YHVH is gracious and compassionate.
      5 He provides food for those who fear Him;
      He remembers His covenant forever.
      6 He has shown his people the power of His works,
      giving them the lands of other nations.
      7 The works of His hands are faithful and just;
      all His precepts are trustworthy.
      8 They are established for ever and ever,
      enacted in faithfulness and uprightness.
      9 He provided redemption for His people;
      he ordained His covenant forever—
      holy and awesome is His name.
      10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;
      all who follow His precepts have good understanding.
      To Him belongs eternal praise.
      Psalm 111
       

    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I find it interesting when so much is compared between the Jews and the JW's.
      But in my opinion, one big difference between being a Jew before and in the time of Jesus, and being a JW, is choice. 
      If a person was born into the Nation of Israel, they were born under Law and ruled over by the Religious leaders (and the Romans) at that time. There was no choice of being a Jew or not being a Jew. They were born into it. So of course many of them, probably all of them, committed 'sin' and had to make sin offerings. God had chosen that Nation, those people had responsibility but not of their choice. 
      Now, people that enter the JW religion do so voluntarily.  ( Unfortunately for those born into it, they have to go through the motions of serving the JW Org until they are of an age whereby they can leave home. Then, when of age they too can volunteer to be a JW or chose to leave the Org.). 
      There is a big difference from being born into a Nation which you may not like, than voluntarily joining a religion which you do like.
      So the big question is, if 'millions' of people voluntarily join this JW Org, why do so many commit child abuse, adultery and many other sins ? 
      If this is supposed to be 'THE true religion', why are the people not guided by God through Jesus  Christ ?  Just reading comments on here from so called JW's makes me laugh. There is no love, no mercy, no understanding, no respect even. 
      Being an ex JW and seeing things from both sides i have found more genuine love, kindness, friendship, respect, warmth, understanding etc outside of the Org than inside. Inside the Org people have to be told to 'love one another', outside the Org people do it anyway. 
      It has amazed me how JW's can really believe that God is with them when they are so cold and selfish.
      With the Jews that were born into that Nation, they had no choice about their way of life. It was basically a dictatorship by God. The Laws were from 'above'. Obviously for the right reason, to bring forth Jesus Christ who in turn would 'rescue' the human race from complete destruction. But it was a totally different situation to the JW Org today.
      So now all you 'JWs', think on it. Do you truly believe you are in this' special environment' within the Org ? Do you really think that your Org has God's approval ? 
      Think deeply about all the problems within JW Org. All the disgusting things being done voluntarily by all the volunteer JW's. 
      Now ask yourself, are you really a volunteer JW or are you trapped in the Org for fear of losing all those 'so called friends' ? 
      You know that you can only have your family and 'friends' as long as you are a JW.   Do you feel like the Jews must have felt, trapped in that Nation ? 
      As we know many of the Jews left the Jewish religion and way of life to follow Christ, but it was difficult for them. However, they did have God's approval and God, through Christ made this known clearly. And it seems that many are leaving the JW Org to seek God's approval too. 
      But remember that all JW's are volunteers, or should be, so why oh why is there so much trouble in that Org ? 
       
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      Having read lots of comments on this forum it is very easy to see that all that Jehovah's Witnesses have is their belief in their Governing Body and it's Writing Department. 
      If they believe, as a certain cowboy would have it, that a person can gain no true knowledge from the bible itself, then how else does a person gain true knowledge ? 
      It would seem that Jehovah's Witnesses rely totally on their GB 'boses' and on the Writing Department of same, to tell all JW's what to believe and when to believe it. 
      Why do i say 'and when to believe it' ?  Well you have to keep up you know . What is said to be 'truth' by the GB and co one day,  will be said to be totally untrue the next day or week.
      JW's have nothing, no proof of any 'enlightenment' from above. They talk proudly about having 8.5 million members earthwide, but how many Muslims are there earthwide ? How many Catholics earthwide ?  Numbers prove nothing as it can be clearly seen. 
      Yes I was once fooled by all the 'niceness' of a few brothers and sisters. But once I got to know those people properly I soon found out that they are no better than people in the world. 
      The JW Org is no better than any other organisation that pretends to serve God, but the JW Org is in some ways more dangerous.  It wraps itself around people's lives and restricts people's freedom of thinking. It pretends to have 'special knowledge' from God that no other organisation has.
      But then if one looks closely one can see it is all just a smoke screen. The JW Org only has 8 men in America dominating it, and 8.5 million people worshiping those 8 men. 
      I do feel a bit foolish having wasted years of my life believing all of it's lies and deceit, but I congratulate myself for not being frightened to ask questions and do research for myself. 
      No matter what any Jehovah's Witness tells you, the truth is, all they have is a belief in their GB, and they follow their GB's orders via all the others in charge including the puppet men Elders. 
      At meetings, conventions, assemblies, on the ministry et al, all they do is use the literature provided for them by the GB and the Writing dept. Without question they pump this 'information' into other people. When conducting a supposed 'bible study' it is actually a book study, studying the words of the GB / writing dept, not studying God's written word properly. They spend more time reading the paragraphs and answering those questions than they do reading scriptures and focusing on God's words.
      It is a horrid way of brainwashing people, washing out the common sense and replacing it with lies from the GB / writing dept. Dictating, giving orders and pretending it is God's will. 
      Removing the love that people have for one another and replacing it with discrimination. Shunning family members, turning their back on anyone that is not a JW by saying all other people are just 'part of the world' and therefore wicked. 
      Frightening people with threats of 'armageddon' killing them. 
      And now it seems that they are almost begging for contributions as they seem to be getting short of money. Well paying off millions in compensation for the Child Abuse / Pedophilea of course. Selling off Kingdom Halls too as funds run low. 
      Oh how low that religion has sunken. Are they really stupid enough to believe that God is with them ?  
       
    • By Albert Michelson
      What is the good news?
       
      The Bible is clear that even if someone had been clearly selected by god if they deviate from the truth they are to be rejected. 
       
      Galatians 1:8-9 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed.  9 As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed.
       
      This holds even more weight for ones like the GB who are not clearly selected and who's claim to authority rests solely on a demonstrably false interpretation of scripture.
      The organization claims that the 1914 teaching is necessary for salvation and even goes as far as to claim that the 1914 teaching is the good news spoken of in the Bible.
      *** w67 12/15 pp. 753-754 pars. 3-4 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***
      "What a joy-inspiring addition or enlargement to the good news now to be preached! Now has come the victorious kingdom of our God together with the authority of his Christ, his Messiah! As for Satan the Devil and his demons, they have only a short period of time until they are bound and imprisoned in the abyss after the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” at Armageddon. All this additional wonderful information has been true since the end of the “appointed times of the nations” in 1914, and particularly since World War I closed in the year 1918. Not before the “appointed times of the nations” ended in the fall of 1914 could the good news be preached of the newborn, established heavenly kingdom of God and of his Messiah. This, then, must be the good news that Jesus Christ in his prophecy said had to be preached first in all the nations. (Mark 13:10) This generation of human society that has seen and experienced the world events since the Gentile Times closed in 1914—this is the “generation” that will not pass away until all the things foretold have happened, including the preaching of the good news first in all nations.
      4 Jesus’ prophecy in Mark 13:10, “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first,” has not been undergoing fulfillment during the past nineteen centuries. It is only since the second decade of our twentieth century that this prophecy has been undergoing fulfillment. This began to be realized by the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society since the end of the second decade of our century. In the magazine issue of July 1, 1920, of The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence the article was published entitled “Gospel of the Kingdom” and based on the theme text, “‘And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.’—Matthew 24:14.”
       It is for this reason that the organization is chained to the 1914 teaching. As the scripture I quoted above demonstrates the Bible says that one who teaches a good news that is false is cursed. If the organization admits that the 1914 and 1919 teachings are false they will have to admit that not only were they not selected as gods channel but that they have been teaching a false good news for the majority of their existence. It is for that reason that they disfellowship and shun people who cannot conscientiously remain in the faith. It's easier to just eliminate the opposition then to actually address the real issues with your theology. 
      *** w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
      Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?
       
      "Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
       
      That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4."
       
      This is supposedly a list of the fundamental doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses that all are required to believe. You will in most cases be disfellowshiped for not believing in one or more of them. Unfortunately the truth is most of them are false.
    • By Jack Ryan
      If the love you have for your children is predicated on their beliefs, you don't love your children you love YOUR beliefs
    • By Jack Ryan
      In previous decades, when someone was disfellowshipped, they were told their time would be 6 months. Now it’s a full year?
      Why did that change from 6 mo to a year? and are they getting more ppl to come back with the increased time? With the less members staying in the org, you would think they want to lower the “jail time “
      Also are there any other religions that gives you months or years of time out, if you commit a sin, even if you actually want to come back?
      Also any former elders here? Why is there a standard set time for everyone? And why can they reject someone’s letter who wants to come back? Don’t they need more members ?
    • By Jack Ryan
      Jehovah's Witness Organization Redefines Shunning to Falsely.mp4
      Every JW visiting this page should MORALLY comment below and publicly state that this JW Lawyer is LYING through his teeth to the Canadian Supreme Court.
      If you don't, YOU participate in this gross sin. Because you ALL KNOW this is a false statement.
      Remember as well that this JW Lawyer is also an Officer of the Court.
      What the courts do not know is that JW's consider outright lying in court a part of "theocratic warfare" just like Muslims do. So it is a virtue to them.

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      Can you spell P-E-R-J-U-R-Y?
    • By Jack Ryan
      "Sunday, December 30
      Asa’s heart was complete with Jehovah all his life.—1 Ki. 15:14.
      Each of us can examine his heart to see if it is fully devoted to God. Ask yourself, ‘Am I determined to please Jehovah, to defend true worship, and to protect his people from any corrupting influence?’ For example, what if someone close to you has to be disfellowshipped? Would you take decisive action by ceasing to associate with that person? What would your heart move you to do? Like Asa, you can show that you have a complete heart by fully relying on God when you are faced with opposition, even some that may seem insurmountable. You may be teased or ridiculed at school for taking a stand as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Or colleagues at work may taunt you for taking days off for spiritual activities or for not often working overtime. In such situations, pray to God, just as Asa did. (2 Chron. 14:11) Remain firm for what you know is right and wise. Remember that God strengthened and helped Asa, and He will strengthen you.
      w17.03 3:6-8 "

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    • By Jack Ryan
      This was a case where in June 1987, the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the Witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Has there been any cases after this, where DF cases went to court? Have there been cases in other countries were DF decisions were challenged and reversed?
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      Here in the United States we have Cable TV with such things as "History Channel", "Discovery Channel", "Scifi Channel", and "A&E" the "Arts and Entertainment Channel".  Apparently around November 13 of this year they had a famous (?) TV star, Leah Remini,  who had been a Scientologist since she was eight years old turn Apostate, and she has done at least two TV seasons exposing the ills of the Church of Scientology", do an Expose' of Jehovah's Witnesses.
      I do not watch TV as a rule, and missed it, and I spent a few days looking for it and trying to download a copy.  It was not on YouTube, but I did find it under "Aftermath Jehovah's Witnesses" on the Russian equivalent of YouTube, "Rutube.ru". It would not download with my usual download software, so I had to find a free screen capture software, which took about four hours to get the settings just right, and I was able to download the two hour program from my monitor, as it was playing.
      Therefore, I watched the TV program three times, as I experimented with the settings to get a good screen copy to my hard drive..
      I could see both sides of the program viewpoints presented, and did not find us to be misrepresented in any way whatsoever ... but if there was EVER a clear example of the Law of Unintended Consequences, the horror the Governing Body has caused in disfellowshipping the way that it is currently done ... by ripping families apart, and creating  irreparable damage that can never be corrected with reinstatement, was chilling, and puts us in the same class as Scientologists ... which completely disregarding the horror and hardsip, and cruelty without any mercy whatsoever it creates locally, shames Jehovah's Name and Reputation over the whole planet.
      I don't believe there is anything a local Jehovah's Witness could do ... rob a bank ... have a harem ... have sex with horses ... etc., ad nauseum ... that would besmirch Jehovah's name and reputation globally as much as our current blatantly cruel public policies of destroying whole families for the sins of one person.
      I am very glad to have the education I have to know that the TRUTH is still the truth .... even though the 85% drivel has rotted and fermented into rotten sewage.
      Most JWs do NOT have this educational advantage ... so their lives are permanently destroyed.
      I don't expect much from people, and almost NOTHING from groups of people .... so for me, like getting one of those great salads at the Olive Garden Restaurant, and finding a big chunk of solid sewage in it ... I hold my nose, and eat around it.
      This TV Special is global news .... what could I possibly say to the average person that would clear the Name of God, that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, NOT THE TELEVISION PROGRAM, has corrupted by its Pharisaic policies that have real world consequences?
      The exact same thing happened in ancient Israel, and a system that God blessed and supported for a thousand years and more was abandoned by God.
      The exact same thing.
       
       
       
       
    • Guest Kurt
      By Guest Kurt
      Was Jesus Crucified on a Cross NO..mp4
       
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      CAN A PERSON ... OR SHOULD A PERSON . BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED IN ABSTENSIA?
      Here is the situation .....  a person REPORTED to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses is accused, and NOT convicted ( ... because he is a fugitive from Justice ...) .....

      Apparently he was at one time in a "Position Of Authority", which possibly alludes to his being an  "Elder", and he may have relocated to another State or even another Country. Possibly using an alias.
      The  various Congregation Elders cannot find him, the Society cannot find him, and the U.S. Marshal's Service cannot find him.
      Not having any indication to the contrary ... at least from the information given in the pseudo-Wanted Poster shown above, he is possibly still officially one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
      Whether he is or not, his bad example raises an interesting  aspect of trying to figure out how the disfellowshipping "system" protocol actually works.
      Can any of the Congregations  he went to disfellowship him without his being present  to answer charges ?
      ... and SHOULD he be?
       
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      DO  WE STILL  DISFELLOWSHIP  THE  MENTALLY  ILL ?
      I was a teenager in the 60's,  and I had a good friend that on Scout camping trips I introduced to the Truth, and I was there in NYC at Yankee Stadium when he was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witness. He was a true "straight arrow", and pioneered, always dressed immaculately, and eventually over the years became an Elder.
      One night, at an Elder's Meeting, he announced to the other Elders that he was Jesus Christ, and that his mother was the virgin Mary, and of course he was disfellowshipped.
      He spent several years in private mental institutions until his insurance money ran out, then in a State institution for several years.
      He called me up, and told me the story, and I told him I was the Great Turtleman, and every November, before I hibernated, I rose from the swamp and gave toys to all the good little boys and girls.  I was just pulling his leg, but he was dead serious.
      Later, he was in England, while his wife was trying without success to get him to take his medications, and fell over a balcony at Heathrow Airport and got killed.
      DO  WE STILL  DISFELLOWSHIP  THE  MENTALLY  ILL ?
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      from 2016 the year that they started the return to Jehovah brochure.
    • By Jack Ryan
      a heartbreaking video has emerged online showing how far reaching and deeply ingrained this shunning policy is; a video showing JehovahÂ’s Witnesses clapping in applause as a little girl announces she is shunning her own sister.
      Little Melody, and the sister she doesnÂ’t have.
      The incident appears to take place at one of this years Watchtower conventions. The video was posted on youtube by the girls parents, apprently eager to share with the world how they had trained one of their children to pretend her sister didnÂ’t exist purely on the basis of religious dogma.
      The video was comment-protected once viewers began expressing concern and displeasure at what they saw, but at the time of writing the video itself is still live and can be viewed below on the family’s youtube page. (EDIT 11/09/2017 – The video has been removed, but we have linked to an alternate site which has a copy)

      t shows a little girl called Melody. She is ten years old, and was apparently baptised when she was 9. This means that Melody is now committed to the religion for life, and will be shunned if she ever leaves, or “unrepentantly” breaks any of its vast array of detailed rules.
      During the interview, Melody explains that she has a sister who was “disfellowshipped,” which is the Witness term for one who is excommunicated; someone who was thrown out of the faith rather than leaving of their own accord. We are not told the reason for the disfellowshipping, but one can be subjected to it for a wide range of reasons such as pre-marital sex, celebrating Christmas or birthdays, voting, taking a blood transfusion, joining the military, or simply questioning any of the doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
      Melody states that her sister was trying to contact her, and asking her to stay in contact despite Watchtower decreeing that she be shunned. Remember, MelodyÂ’s sister has probably lost all her family and friends at this point; everyone she ever knew and loved.
      Melody admits that she misses and loves her sister, but states that she was afraid that if she didnÂ’t cut her sister off completely, she might be tempted to keep some form of relationship going. Thus, she has decided to shun her completely, as Watchtower demands. She claims that this was to protect her relationship with Jehovah.
      The audience of JehovahÂ’s Witnesses watching this announcement applaud.

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    • By Jack Ryan
      This comes from the final talk at the Birmingham, AL Convention. Herd talks kind of low and there is some background noise, so here is a transcript starting at about 1:25.
      I thought this was interesting because it doesn't appear to be in the talk outline. Admittedly, I just skimmed through the outline quickly, so it might be in there. Either way, there is something twisted about comparing the shunning of children to casting out demons from heaven.
      Edit: For those wondering, this talk is from August 5. The part before when the transcript starts is Herd talking about King Asa removing his grandmother from her position.
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      The Supreme Court of Canada Thursday heard arguments in a fight over a church’s “shunning” practice, and said it would release a ruling later, but the congregation involved and several other groups argued that the justices had no right to even take part in the fight.
      The fight is between Randy Wall, a real estate agent, and the Highwood congregation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization in Calgary.
      Wall was expelled from the congregation for getting drunk and not be properly repentant, court records said. He pursued a church appeals process, unsuccessfully, then went to court because he said the church’s “shunning,” that is, practice of not associating with him in any way, hurt his business.
      He explained his two occasions of drunkenness related to “the previous expulsion by the congregation of his 15-year-old daughter.”
      A lower court opinion explained, “Even though the daughter was a dependent child living at home, it was a mandatory church edict that the entire family shun aspects of their relationship with her. The respondent said the edicts of the church pressured the family to evict their daughter from the family home. This led to … much distress in the family.”
      The “much distress” eventually resulted in his drunkenness, Wall said.
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      Wall submitted to the court arguments that about half his client base, members of various Jehovah’s Witnesses congregations, then refused to conduct business with him. He alleged the “disfellowship had an economic impact on the respondent.”
      During high court arguments Thursday, the congregation asked the justices to say that congregations are immune to such claims in the judicial system.
      The lower courts had ruled that the courts could play a role in determining if, and when, such circumstances rise to the level of violating civil rights or injuring a “disfellowshipped” party.
      The rulings from the Court of Queen’s Bench and the Alberta Court of Appeals said Wall’s case was subject to secular court jurisdiction.
      A multitude of religious and political organizations joined with the congregation in arguing that the Canada’s courts should not be involved.
      The Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms said in a filing, “The wish or desire of one person to associate with an unwilling person (or an unwilling group) is not a legal right of any kind. For a court, or the government, to support such a ‘right’ violates the right of self-determination of the unwilling parties.”
      Previous case law has confirmed the ability of religious or private voluntary groups to govern themselves and dictate who can be a member.
      But previously rulings also reveal there is room for the court system to intervene when the question is one of property or civil rights.
      The Association for Reformed Political Action, described the case as having “profound implications for the separation of church and state.”
      Its position is that the court should keep hands off the argument.
      “Secular judges have no authority and no expertise to review a church membership decision,” said a statement from Andre Schutten, a spokesman for the group. “Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere.”
      John Sikkema, staff lawyer for ARPA, said, “The issue in this appeal is jurisdiction. A state actor, including a court, must never go beyond its jurisdiction. The Supreme Court must consider what kind of authority the courts can or cannot legitimately claim. We argue that the civil government and churches each have limited and distinct spheres of authority. This basic distinction between civil and spiritual jurisdiction is a source of freedom and religious pluralism and a guard against civic totalism.”
      He continued, “Should the judiciary have the authority to decide who gets to become or remain a church member? Does the judiciary have the authority to decide who does or does not get to participate in the sacraments? Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere. Here we need separation of church and state.”
      The Alberta Court of Appeal, however, suggested the fight was about more than ecclesiastical rules.
      “Because Jehovah’s Witnesses shun disfellowshipped members, his wife, other children and other Jehovah’s Witnesses were compelled to shun him,” that lower court decision said. “The respondent asked the appeal committee to consider the mental and emotional distress he and his family were under as a result of his duaghter’s disfellowship.”
      The church committee concluded he was “not sufficiently repentant.”
      The ruling said “the only basis for establishing jurisdiction over a decision of the church is when the complaint involves property and civil rights,” and that is what Wall alleged.
      “Accordingly, a court has jurisdiction to review the decision of a religious organization when a breach of the rules of natural justice is alleged.”
       
       




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    • Eric Ouellet

      ALLÈGE TOI POUR VIVRE SANS LA LOI
      POUR atteindre la vraie réussite, il faut suivre le meilleur mode de vie qui soit, un mode de vie qui résulte de l’application des normes de Dieu et qui s’accorde avec son dessein concernant les humains. La Bible dit de celui qui fait ce choix : “ Il deviendra comme un arbre planté près de ruisseaux d’eau, qui donne son fruit en son temps et dont le feuillage ne se flétrit pas, et tout ce qu’il fait réussira. ” — Psaume 1:3.
      La maitrise de soi est la première qualité qu'il faut apprendre à développer pour devenir un serviteur de YHWH.
      POUR QU'ELLE RAISON?
      La définition de la  maîtrise de soi est: Qualité qui a pour but de retenir ou dominer notre personne, nos actions, nos paroles, nos pensées. (It 190 chapitre 1)
      Devenir maître de nous même par l'enseignement de notre Dieu et de son Oint, Jésus Christ. LA PAROLE ET LA VIE (Jn 1:1) (Jn 14:6)
      Jésus Christ fut un exemple humain qui a maîtrisé cette qualité très importante pour acquérir sa miséricorde tout au long de sa vie.
      JÉHOVAH FUT TRÈS EXIGENT ENVERS SON FILS. CELA JUSQU'À SA MORT POUR LA RÉDEMPTION DE NOS PÉCHÉS ET POUR DONNER AUX JUSTES DE LA TERRE, LA VIE ÉTERNELLE. (Ps 37:11 ,29)
      COMMENT À T'IL FAIT POUR MAÎTRISER CETTE QUALITÉ JUSQU'À  L' AMOUR?
      GALATE 5 :22 A 23
      22 Par contre, le fruit de l’esprit est amour, joie, paix, patience, bienveillance, bonté, foi,  23 douceur, maîtrise de soi. Contre de telles choses il n’y a pas de loi.  
      Pour atteindre l'Amour de Dieu, il nous faut acquérir, la Maîtrise de Soi.(g 11 /08 p 6-9) (Pr 28:20)
      Maîtrisons notre vie de tout notre être
      Soyons doux envers autrui comme Jéhovah nous aimes (mt 5:5 ) (2tm 2:24)
      Tout ce que nous faisons pour les autres doit être manifesté par la douceur comme envers nous même (mt 11:29)
      Comme le fut pour nous notre Dieu de Miséricorde et de compassion, Jéhovah nous donna la vie dans un lieux magnifique et splendide,(Ps 111:4) b
      Qui est la terre. (Gn 1:26 à 28)
      LE FAIRE nous donneras de la foi, ( RM 10:17) (Ps 1:2)
      Soyons fidèle à son enseignement, ferme, obéissant et intègre à ses connaissances qu'il nous a révélé, (1cor 15:58)(1cor 16:13,14)(Ex 19:5)(Dt 11:13)(Dt 18:13)(Ps41:12)(Ps119:1)
      ainsi notre foi pourra déplacer les montagnes, les obstacles de notre vie qui peuvent être très difficile à surmonter. (Jn14:6)(Mt17:20)
      C'est par la foi et les oeuvres d'annoncer le royaume que nous apprenons à atteindre la connaissance exacte.(Mt6:33) (RM 10:9,10)
      Soyons généreux envers autrui pour que nous puissions avoir de la bonté de coeur, DE NOTRE DIEU.(Pr 28 :27)
      Sa bonté de coeur est sans limite, regardons toute autour de nous, tout ce que YHWH a témoingné par sa création (Ps 100:05)
      À tout l'humanité et à tout l'univers et tout ce qui se meut sur la terre entière.
      La bonté est le reflet de notre Dieu car tout viens de son Coeur qui fut construit entièrement par l'Amour. (Deut 15 :10,11)
      Suivre son exemple, ainsi acquérir la vertue de la bonté, et exprimer par nos actions, la bonté de coeur:
      Donner sans demander, donner s'en attendre à recevoir. (Act 20:35)
      Agissons Comme Jéhovah a créé toutes choses  pour le donner à tout les justes de la terre. (Ps 37 :29)
      PAR NOS ACTIONS DE BONTÉ DE COEUR TOUT CE QUE TU AURAS DONNÉ SANS DEMANDER JEHOVAH TE DONNERA UN CADEAU inestimable 
      QUE PERSONNE PEUT TE DONNER. Celui du cadeau de LA VIE ÉTERNELLE. (MC 10: 29,30) (Mt 19:27-29)
      Jéhovah est un Dieu généreux, tout ce que nous faisons pour Lui, pour le bien, Jéhovah nous le rendra au centuple et protègera notre vie tout au long du jour.
      APRÈS AVOIR MAÎTRISÉ LA BONTÉ, ACQUIÈRE LA BIENVEILLANCE
      Acquérir la bienveillance, c'est être précis dans ce que nous faisons pour les autres et pour notre Dieu, en premier lieux.
      Donner toujours 100% de nous même dans tout ce que nous faisons TÉMOIGNE que nous donnons pleine mesure à ce que notre
      Dieu Jehovah qui à fait à tout les formes de vie et en tout ce qu'Il a créé. 
      Regardons la création de YHWH, 
      SA CRÉATION EST SI PRÉCISE QU'ELLE EST COORDONNÉE COMME UNE HORLOGE.
      Soyons précis dans nos actions, nos paroles et nos pensées car tout ce que nous faisons à une empreinte sur la vie de nous même et des autres 
      Suivre les paroles de son livre Saint, nous donne des conseilles judicieux à nous même et aux autres car il nous faut la maitrise de nous même en chaque fruits de l'esprit et en connaitre sa valeur si puissante, avant de pouvoir l'enseigner avec qualité au brebis perdu et s'entraider les uns les autres dans un but commun, réjouir le coeur de notre Créateur tout puissant. Le SAINT SAINT SAINT (Rév 4:8 c)
      C'EST AINSI DE RECEVOIR DE NOTRE DIEU, SA BONTÉ DE COEUR.
      Parvenons ensemble à revêtir la personnalité nouvelle. Ainsi nous refléterons les qualités exemplaires, d'un serviteur de Jéhovah. 
      L'ouverture de notre d'esprit est salutaire car tout nos actions en c'est vertues viennent de YHWH.
      Le salut appartient à Jéhovah et par se fait recevoir les bénédictions accorder par Dieu, à tous ces serviteurs fidèles.(Ps 3: 8)
      AGISSONS AINSI cela montrera que nous suivons les pas de l'homme le plus grand de tout les temps qui est le Oint  
      de notre Dieu, Jésus Christ.
      La bienveillance de Jésus Christ fut extraordinaire son humilité et sa compassion, dévoila la beauté de sa personne.  ( Ph 2:1-11)
      Sans relâche, il témoignait de tout coeur par ces beaux discours sans se glorifié mais en glorifiant son Père et en son Saint Nom, à la nation qu'il voulait sauvé, les humains de la terre entière par l'Amour infini de notre Dieu.
      Les paroles qu'il utilisait était toujours précisent pour trouver les brebis égarés dans les témoignages aux le pied des montagnes, dans les synagogues, dans les rues et de portes en portes. IL FUT UN ENSEIGNANT EXTRAORDINAIRE POUR CES DISCIPLES ET TOUT CES PRÉDICATEURS DE LA FOI POUR L'ANNONCEMENT DU ROYAUME PROMIS.
      Tout ce qu'il utilisa venu de son Père.
      Comme ce passage qui révèla que tout fut enseigné avant sa venu.
      "Je ne fais rien de ma propre initiative.
      Tout ce que je vous dit en ce moment, viens de mon Père, son Dieu, notre Dieu. JEHOVAH"
      Faisons comme lui, suivons ses pas sans relâche avec  fermeté, obéissance et intégrité. 
      ACQUIÈRE LA PATIENCE.
      NOUS SOMMES TOUS DES ENFANTS DE DIEU ET YHWH EST PATIENT AVEC NOUS.
      La patience est prendre attention envers tous ceux que nous voulons intimement PURIFIER ET ENSEIGNER AVEC QUALITÉ
      Entrer en relation avec les autres mais avant tout, prendre le temps de devenir à l'élite de soi avant de pouvoir
      Donner des conseilles à ceux que nous voulons aider car YHWH LE FIT PENDANT DES MILLIARDS D'ANNÉES
      AVANT NOUS ET BIEN AVANT QUE TOUTE CETTE CRÉATION PHYSIQUE SOIT CRÉÉ.
      YHWH MÉDITA PENDANT DES MILLIARDS ANNÉES AVANT DE CRÉER SON FILS SA PREMIÈRE CREATION ET TOUT CE QUI EN SUIVIT.
      Maîtriser la patience nous donne ĺa chance de vivre en notoriété avec les lois de YHWH ET AINSI COMPLÉTER L'ÉQUILIBRE 
      QUE NOTRE DIEU VEUX QUE NOUS FASSIONS POUR  NOUS MÊME ENVERS JEHOVAH ET EN SUIVANT LES PAS DE JESUS SON OINT, SA PREMIÈRE CRÉATION. ENSEIGNONS LA VOIE DU SALUT DE NOTRE DIEU, À NOTRE PROCHAIN, D'UN COEUR COMPLET.
      SOYONS PATIENT ENVERS AUTRUI COMME JÉHOVAH L'EST POUR NOUS TOUS , SERVITEUR DE JEHOVAH
      La patience est prendre attention à l'autre et de donner du temps à nos amis et à ceux que nous voulons partager la connaissance exacte de notre Dieu.
      Jéhovah est patient avec nous et nous savons que chacun de nous avons des qualités et des défauts et que nous allons pas à la même vitesse, dans les changements que Jéhovah nous dicte le chemin, QU'IL NOUS A DONNÉ QUAND NOUS AVONS CHOISIS DE DEVENIR SON SERVITEUR ,PAR NOTRE BAPTÊME.
      La patience est une vertue dure à atteindre et elle nous aie primordiale et très importante POUR NOTRE VIE ET À CELLE DES AUTRES.
      C'EST POUR CELA QUE NOUS DEVONS AGIR SANS JUGER LES AUTRES ET DONNER LE TEMPS AVEC BIENVEILLANCE À S'ENTRAIDER ENSEMBLE POUR MAITRISER NOTRE VIE AVEC PATIENCE. L'AMOUR ET L'UNITÉ EST LA CLÉ (Jean 13 :34)
      Nous sommes tous important pour Jéhovah et il nous donne à tous, la chance de faire les actions nécessaires en son temps pour réjouir Son Coeur.
      Ainsi une vertue extraordinaire que peu de gens ont connu dans une vie, qui est la Paix véritable.
      COMMENT ACQUÉRIR LA PAIX véritable et par dessus tout en acquérir la vertue?
      LA PREMIÈRE QUALITÉ POUR ATTEINDRE LA PAIX EST L'OBÉISSANCE AUX LOIS DE YHWH.
      Vivre avec intégrité aux norme de YHWH nous donne un sentier éclairé, qui nous apporte à voir clair dans nos agissements et cela en conformité
      Avec les lois de la nature que Jéhovah a instauré dans son univers élégant . Jéhovah nous a donné un livre comment devenir maître de notre vie en se laissant diriger par sa parole.
      La bonté de coeur que nous apportons aux autres et que leurs réussites dans les conseilles que nous avons puisé dans la parole de Dieu, nous réjouis le coeur et par le même fait, nous donne de la paix, car ce que nous avons suivit porta fruit à ceux qui les ont accepté de plein coeur, en plongeant sans hésitation à les mettre en pratiques dans leur vie comme nous avons agis de la même manière en les inculquant dans notre vie. Par notre exemple, ils ont excellé et acquis de beau résultat dans leur vie et par nous même et bien par la même voie que nous avons empruntés en se laissant diriger par notre Dieu que par la patience nous avons intégré en nous la vertue de la paix par la lecture de sa parole, la bible. La paix s'obtiens par la connaissance de la vérité de Dieu et cela en faisant les actions nécessaire sans hésitation au modèle DES PAS DE NOTRE GUIDE SPIRITUEL, celle de JÉSUS CHRIST. La paix s'obtiens même dans les pires souffrances que Jésus à vécu dans le passé. Nombre de personnes qui ont laissé leur ancienne vie vers l'unique chemin de la vie éternelle et qu'ils ont dû accepté de grave souffrance jusqu'à leur mort pour trouver la paix sans fin. N'oublions pas que la souffrance est comme une tempête turbulente et dévastatrice mais gardons en mémoire que celui qui n'à pas peur de perde son Âme pour sa foi vivra vraiment pour toujours. Une tempête ne dure jamais longtemps et la paix que Jehovah nous offre de vivre en paix et cela pour toujours, pour l'éternité à celui qui sans relâche ne renonce pas d'aller de l'avant, c'est ainsi  que l'on trouvera la joie véritable.
      Comme dit le dictons : Après la pluie, c'est le beau temps. 
      Alors que devons nous faire pour atteindre la paix?
      Laissons nous diriger par notre guide sauveur, Jésus Christ, que par son obéissance de donner sa vie pour tout les juste de la terre, il ouvra le chemin de la liberté éternelle À CELUI QUI SE LAISSE DIRIGER PAR SON ENSEIGNEMENT VENANT DE SON PÈRE, LE SAINT SAINT SAINT. (Rev: 4: 8 )(Ep 1: 4)
      Fixons solidement nos regard sur la parole de notre Créateur avec des actions véritables qui réjouis le coeur de notre Dieu et ainsi nous sentirons en nous même dans cette période ardu proche de la fin, une paix véritable aux fond de notre coeur et qui se manifestera car Jéhovah protège et donne force à ses fidèle enfants de la foi. Trouvons ainsi une nouvelle vertue en notre être: La Joie.
      TROUVONS LE CHEMIN DE LA JOIE PAR LA PAIX VÉRITABLE
      Comment pouvons nous acquérir la Joie véritable dans ce monde remplis de désordre?
      Celui qui plonge les regards dans la loi parfaite, celle de la liberté, et qui y persiste, [...] qui fait l’œuvre, sera heureux en la faisant. ” — Jacques 1:25.
      Heureux ceux qui sont intègres dans leur voie. 
      LA LUMIÈRE PAR LA CONNAISSANCE NOUS DONNE DE LA JOIE.
      "Ceux qui marchent dans la loi de Jéhovah".
      Heureux ceux qui observent ses rappels.
      De tout Coeur, ils le recherche sans relâche."Psaume 119 : 
      Nôtres modèle de foi qui est venu sur la terre par Son Père, Jésus a affronté chaque étape de sa vie,
      Avec une ténacité exemplaire, sans relâche jusqu'à sa mort sacrificielle pour l'Amour de notre Dieu YHWH 
      Cela ne fut pas facile de garder sa foi en voyant le monde ainsi depuis sa jeunesse.
      Voir les actions du méchant son regard, celui des yeux, Jésus a vu des images réelles du mal.
      Il ressentait comme nous tous  les désirs puissants de notre être qui peut nous faire succomber.
      Il n'y étaient pas aveuglé, il entendait,, il ressentait, il était constamment attaqué par un ennemi terrifiant.
      cela était réelle, il vivait notre vie.
      Jésus voyait de l'avant, sans renoncer, il avançait, dans le chemin, qui lui était destiné.
      Ce chemin lui appartenait, il devait le faire pour l'Amour de son Père envers tout les justes de la terre.
      Il l'a fait par la joie de faire la volonté de son Dieu, son Père. Notre Dieu, Jehovah.
      Nous avons connu la vie ( la voie ) par notre choix de servir Dieu  
      Par notre coeur grand ouvert dans un sens unique
      De celle de la justice du Royaume De Dieu.
      D'obéir de tout notre coeur à celui de l'Amour de YHWH
      QUE NOTRE VOLONTÉ EST DE CRAINDRE NOTRE CRÉATEUR. (Ps 112:1) (Ps 111:10)
      ÊTRE INTÈGRE EN TOUTES ACTIONS D'UNE MANIÈRE JUSTE. (Ps26:1)
      AINSI:
      Ils et Elles (vierge avisée) ne font plus partie de ce monde, car notre joie, est dans ce que nous accomplissons par notre volonté pour servir notre Dieu, Jéhovah. (MT 25:1 - 13)
      La Parole de Dieu nous partage, nous dicte la voie tracée, resserrée, qui nous mène au paradis.
      Notre espérance volontaire à servir et d'aimer notre Dieu Jehovah de tout notre coeur, de tout notre être, de tout notre âme, de tout notre esprit et tout notre force vitale (souffle de vie) (Mt22:37) (Deut 6:5)
      Notre Amour:
      Ce manifeste par nos chants.
      En exaltant son Nom dans notre ministère , 
      En annoncant son Nom et son royaume et sa justice. (Mt 24:14) (Mt 28:19:20)(Mt 6:33)
      Semons les graines de vérité, par ce fruit de l'esprit qui nourris la joie..
      La joie est de se purifier devant Jéhovah et devant son Roi, Jésus Christ.
      D'une manière juste,  qui se manifeste par les actions véritable venant du coeur
      qui reflète les exigences des normes de la justice de Dieu,
      Celle qui reflète les qualités de l'armure de la foi que NOUS  avons minitiueusement consu EN nous, EN SE LAISSANT GUIDER PAR LES PAROLES DE NOTRE DIEU TRANSMIT PAR SON FILS, qui nous donnera la joie de connaître pour toujours, l'Amour de YHWH.
      Maîtriser la joie est manié la bible comme une épée à deux tranchant, Semer les graines de vérités aux coeur de nos futur fidèles 
      Qui recherche toutes les connaissances de vérité de sa Sainte Parole. 
      Comme nous même, avant toute choses, devant  notre Dieu Jéhovah.
      Avoir le désir de le faire avec joie, par un coeur complet, pour le Bien.
      Comme Dieu enseigne le Bien.
      C'est notre purification intérieur qui reflète notre lumière extérieur. (Mt 5 : 14)
      Qui brillera dans l'obscurité, dans les périodes DE TOUT LES JOURS ET CELA JUSQU'À  la fin DE CE SYSTÈME DE CHOSES.
      Elle distingue une vibration d'ouverture de la vérité par ce qui est vraiment bon et vrai, en nous.
      Nous devons avoir la foi pour trouver la joie, car cela donne de la force et du courage
      contre les peurs qui sont attachés à nous, en nous.
      Par la connaissance de la bible, nous puissions s'alléger de nos peurs et s'élever par la foi et la bienveillance 
      Ainsi Bondir, sans redescendre,
      accomplir notre destiné, notre but que nous nous avons fixé dans notre coeur dans un sens unique, De faire la volonté de notre Créateur. 
      LE TRAVAIL PERSONNEL, le plus important de notre vie.
      Accomplir le chemin que Jéhovah nous a donné, le faire dans la joie.
      Recevoir la lumiere d'Amour de la vie Éternel PAR NOTRE DIEU CRÉATEUR TRANSMIT PAR SON OINT Jésus Christ.
      La joie apporte à ne pas renoncer et faire briller notre lumière telle 
      Une vierge avisée, qui garde en son coeur la connaissance du salut et qui travaille fort à garder sa lumière pure jusqu'aux jours de la grande guerre d' Harmaguédon. (Mt 25:1-13)
      Les serviteurs de Jéhovah fortifie leur joie par la demande de la connaissance ultime, par la prière, la lecture de la connaissance parfaite et de la méditation.
      Restons fidèle en toutes actions à la justice de Dieu
      Obéissons par l'humilité et le véritable Amour, celui qui vient de notre coeur et tout notre ensemble créé.
      La vertue de la Joie s'acquière en nous même, elle devient la protection contre toutes épreuves
      Nous devons et devront surmonter,  comme à l'exemple de Jésus Christ,  accomplir notre vie dans la pureté.
      Nous sommes des serviteurs de Jéhovah
      Notre maitrise de soi, que nous maîtrisons par des nos actions justes répéter aux jours le jours,
      pas à pas,  
      Égrandir notre foi, nous allègeant et nous libèrant des désirs mauvais, de ce système de choses.
      Notre joie grandit par la libération du filet destiné aux méchants, que nous étions destinés (Ps 9:15,16)
      Depuis notre naissance et que la parole de la vérité, nous apprenons à dénouer
      Les noeuds qui nous emprisonnent et qui nous empêche de gravir vers la liberté promise.
      Soyons patient et continuons à trouvé les clefs à chaques noeufs qui nous retiennent à ce monde et continuons 
      À se détacher de la tristesse de ce monde et demander de la joie à notre Dieu pour vibrer et s'aider 
      À se libérer de nos liens.
      La joie est ne jamais renoncer et garder les yeux fixés vers le But  de l'espérance de la promesse de YHWH.
      L'AMOUR LE FRUIT DE L'ESPRIT QUI NOUS GARDE EN VIE.
      TROUVONS LES GESTES QUI MANIFESTE L'AMOUR DE DIEU PAR NOUS MÊME. 
      (1cor 13 :4 à 8a)
      L'amour est patient et bon. L'amour n'est pas jaloux, il ne se vante pas, ne se gonfle pas d'orgueil.
      N'agit pas de façon inconvenante,  ne cherche pas ses propres intérêts, ne s'irrite pas.
      Il ne tient pas compte du mal subi. Il ne se réjouit pas de l'injustice, mais se réjouit avec la vérité.
      Il supporte tout, croit tout, endure tout.
      L'amour ne disparaît jamais.
      L’Amour est ce sentiment ineffable de la Paix et du Bonheur
      Qui emplit notre cœur et tout notre être.
      L’énergie d’Amour est la seule, l’unique,
      Celui qui nous lie à notre cœur conscient, à notre cœur confiant, à notre cœur relié à celui de Dieu par Jésus Christ. (Ps 25: 1, 2)
      C’est lui qui nous a créé tel que nous sommes, qui nourrit nos cellules à la sagesse parfaite, qui nous gardera en vie pour toujours.
      QUI nous fait vibrer au diapason de la Beauté Infinie de la Vérité parfaite (Ps 19: 7).
      Cet Amour Infini est en nous et nous élève sur tous les plans, dans toutes les dimensions de notre vie.
      Apprenons à recevoir ; ouvrons notre cœur.
      Apprenons à donner ; ouvrons notre cœur.
      Apprenons à faire circuler cette lumière de nos cœurs d’âmes vers les autres cœurs d’âmes QUE NOUS RECHERCHONS DANS TOUT LES TERRITOIRES AVANT SA VENU ULTIME celui de la fin de ce système de chose méchant.
      La seule beauté de vivre est l’Amour
      La seule beauté d’être est l’Amour
      La seule beauté de partager est l’Amour
      La seule beauté de grandir et d’évoluer est l’Amour
      L’Amour et l'unité sont le fondement de la création réelle et concrète de l’Univers DE TOUT CE QUI EXISTE DU VISIBLE À L'INVISIBLE.
      Croyons qu’à une seule Vérité ; celle de l’Amour de YHWH.
      Les enseignements de YHWH sont des clés pour notre intellect si prégnant, des berceuses à notre ego pour que le chemin apparaisse, libre de tous les obstacles.
      En nous est un Univers Infini,
      En nous est l’Amour Infini.
      Notre monde intérieur crée notre monde extérieur
      Notre maître intérieur est le reflet de celui qui nous parle, Jésus Christ, par son Père ( JEHOVAH YHWH )
      ALLONS en nous pour l’interroger (Ps 26 :2, 3)
      ALLONS vers Lui pour savoir reconnaître ce qui nous convient
      FAISONS LUI confiance car sans la confiance l'Amour n'existe pas. Laissons nous guider comme un enfant de Dieu.
      Notre vérité est en l'Unique vérité de l'Amour de Jehovah
      Notre Amour nous le partageons avec tous en unions avec notre Dieu et son Oint.
      Chacun de nous évolue à son rythme.
      Chacun de nous décide en toute conscience de suivre pas à pas ce chemin, car nous sommes libre et responsable de nos choix. ( Ps 25: 12)
      Nous sommes des Êtres merveilleux capables de créer et d’expérimenter pour le bien de tous. Nous pouvons tous aussi bien créer les difficultés dans notre vie, que des choses merveilleuses qui nous ressemblent à l'image de Dieu.
      Sachons partager notre temps en apprentissage et en application ; l’apprentissage passe par l’intellect et l’intégration au niveau du cœur et se réalise par les applications dans la vie de tous les jours.
      Il n’y a pas de personne « meilleure » qu’une autre.
      C’est nous-même ou entre nous que nous installons différents niveaux d’amour car tout est à l'intérieur de nous.
      Apprenons simplement à être "Qui nous sommes".
      Apprenons à devenir Qui nous sommes par Amour et dans l’Amour, des bontés de coeur de notre Dieu YHWH.
      Et si nous ne savons comment faire, ouvrons notre cœur vers l’intérieur par la prière et la méditation, en nous acceptant tel que nous sommes, en nous aimant tel que nous sommes en nous laissant guider par les pas de Jésus Christ notre Roi Sauveur.
      Soyons comme des enfants de Dieu
      Le vrai Amour est l'amour Inconditionnel agapè, celui qui fut créé par la Sagesse universel qui fut transmit par son Oint Jésus Christ notre Roi.
      Celle qui vient de Dieu et qui se manifeste par son Esprit Saint que nous recevons quand nous sommes des enfants aimés de Jéhovah.
      Que notre amour ce lie par notre volonté de servir à jamais le Dieu d'Amour qui créa toute choses et dont sa promesse est de vivre pour toujours
      Dans un univers parfait remplis de joie, de paix et d'une santé parfaite ( Révélation 21 : 3, 4)
      Louons YHWH JEHOVAH pour toujours.
      Gloire à notre Créateur Tout Puissant Eternel  YHWH, Gloire à son fils Jésus Christ, le Roi des Roi et de son Esprit Saint.
      JESUS  À DIT: Il y a six principes pour réussir sa vie OUI  SEPT PRINCIPES, LES VOICI:
       
      LA MAÎTRISE DE SOI
      GALATES 5:19à21 et 22 à 23 )
      1 Laissez l’argent à la place qui lui revient
      “ L’amour de l’argent est une racine de toutes sortes de choses mauvaises, et en aspirant à cet amour quelques-uns se sont [...] transpercés partout de bien des douleurs. ” (1 Timothée 6:10). 
      2 Cultivez la générosité
      “ Il y a plus de bonheur à donner qu’à recevoir. ” (Actes 20:35)
      3 Pardonnez volontiers
      “ Continuez [...] à vous pardonner volontiers les uns aux autres, si quelqu’un a un sujet de plainte contre un autre. Tout comme Jéhovah vous a pardonné volontiers, vous aussi faites de même. ” (Colossiens 3:13)
       4 Observez les normes divines
      “ Le commandement de Jéhovah est pur, faisant briller les yeux. ” (Psaume 19:8). 
      5 Faites preuve d’un amour désintéressé
      “ L’amour bâtit. ” (1 Corinthiens 8:1). 
      6 Soyez conscient de votre “ pauvreté spirituelle ”
      “ Heureux ceux qui sont conscients de leur pauvreté spirituelle. ” (Matthieu 5:3)
      ▪ Ayez une crainte salutaire de Dieu. “ La crainte de Jéhovah est le début de la sagesse. ” — Proverbes 9:10.
      ▪ Choisissez judicieusement vos amis. “ Qui marche avec les sages deviendra sage, mais qui a des relations avec les stupides s’en trouvera mal. ” — Proverbes 13:20.
      ▪ Rejetez les excès. “ Ivrogne et glouton tomberont dans la pauvreté. ” — Proverbes 23:21.
      ▪ Ne cherchez pas à vous venger. “ Ne rendez à personne le mal pour le mal. ” — Romains 12:17.
      ▪ Soyez travailleur. “ Si quelqu’un ne veut pas travailler, qu’il ne mange pas non plus. ” — 2 Thessaloniciens 3:10.
      ▪ Appliquez la Règle d’or. “ Tout ce que vous voulez que les hommes fassent pour vous, de même vous aussi, vous devez le faire pour eux. ” — Matthieu 7:12.
      ▪ Maîtrisez votre langue. “ Celui qui veut aimer la vie et voir des jours heureux, qu’il garde sa langue de ce qui est mauvais. ” — 1 Pierre 3:10.
      Accomplir et maîtriser ceci, c'est découvrir les plus beau secrets de l'univers de Jéhovah. 

      ERIC OUELLET
       


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    • Eric Ouellet

      Bonjour pour tout ceux qui veulent être avec nous, pour être ensemble en cette soirée mémorable.
      Voici le lien pour avoir accès au mémorial de la commémoration de la mort de JÉSUS CHRIST.
       
      Ce cadeau si grand que Dieu à démontrer son amour INFINI pour tout les humains de la terre.
      Celui qui nous a démontré la personnalité de Dieu par ses actions envers tous.
      Les paroles de Mathieu, Marc, Luc, Jean et tout les autres livres de la bible démontre qu'il fut la Parole vivante et en action pour nous montrer l'exemple à suivre c'est pas.
      Nous sommes heureux que tous puissent participer à cela en direct en téléchargeant ce vidéo.
      Pour la mémoire de notre Sauveur JÉSUS CHRIST gardons ensemble le respect de L'Amour de Dieu pour démontrer votre respect envers le Fils le plus grand modèle de foi et de pureté que la terre a porté autrefois.
      Sa beauté intérieur peut jaïllir en nous en respectant ensemble de se recueillir et participer ce soir au REPAS du Seigneur JÉSUS CHRIST qui fut approuvé par Dieu.
      Au plaisir d'être avec nous avec coeur et joie.
      Bonne soirée 
      19:30 est le début de ce recueillement important.
      Nous sommes le 14 NISAN depuis 18:00, honorons ce que notre Roi Jésus à demandé.
      Bonne soirée à tous.
       
       
       
      https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=share&prefer=content&applanguage=F&locale=fr&item=pub-mo-tk20r_42_VIDEO&docid=1011214
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    • Eric Ouellet

      https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=share&prefer=content&applanguage=F&locale=fr&item=pub-mo-tk20r_42_VIDEO&docid=1011214
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    • Michael Krewson

      Did you all see Jared Kushner tell the states that the stockpile was "our"?  As in the Federal governments. Incredible.
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