Jump to content
The World News Media

Should JW's punish, disfellowship, or shun members who disagree with certain teachings?


Albert Michelson

Recommended Posts

  • Member
9 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

I don't get what you mean

If you don't get what I mean it is because I did not take enough time to read you. It is my fault. Sorry.

 

9 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

The WT keeps spinning new stories to maintain credibility and give people a sense of urgency.

They are not 'new stories' when initially 'spun.' It's the insinuation of deceit that disturbs me and the expectation of silky smoothness that strikes me as naive.  I see no reason to think they are not peering ahead absolutely the best they can, and that God allows it. The errors of those who took the lead in the first century would certainly suggest he does.

9 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

So, I believe the GB is more focused on preserving its credibility than Biblical truth.

To some extent they are the same thing. If God is worth his salt, he provides capable human leadership. How would you feel if the cockpit door swung open and the pilot shouted: "Hey, anybody here know how to fly this thing?"

The other way to look at everything here is to suggest that the nervous nellies ought to get a grip on themselves. When the plane encounters choppy weather and the flight attendants retreat with their refreshment carts so Coke does not splash all over everyone, I fasten my belt as advised and ride out the turbulence without undue concern. I don't reach for the flotation seat cover.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Views 14.9k
  • Replies 213
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

That's really the crux of all the problems with the organization. Rank-and-file JWs do not have the right to question any doctrines--even with Biblical support. Only the GB can correctly interpret the

I do get warm feelies here. I don't think that's a bad thing. (I don't mean here, with @The Librarianand all; I mean in Jehovah's organization) I am like most Witnesses who do not have to have ev

Like I really should watch CNN to learn the truth about Trump or Breitbart to learn the truth about Obama? I'll choose what I choose to see in proper context, neither cherry-picked nor skewed.

Posted Images

  • Member
22 minutes ago, Nana Fofana said:

Therefore, just as the holy spirit says, “Today if you listen to his voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as on the occasion of provoking to bitter anger, as in the day of testing in the wilderness, 9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 

Nana, there are some here attempting to divorce the murmurings of Moses from the murmurings of the Christian congregation headship. This verse will not let them get away with it. Thanks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member

@Nana Fofana was that an attack of my character? I am seeking spiritual truth just like you all. I read my Bible and pray everyday. I'm trying to sort out the nuggets of truth. I don't think anyone on earth has all the answers at this time. My questioning is with the goal of finding spiritual truth. When I look at history of this religion's leadership and the missteps, it shows me that there's no basis to follow this organization without question.

Is the GB comparable to Moses? Did Moses repeatedly mislead the Hebrews with incorrect direction? And what evidence do we that the GB is divinely appointed? Moses face shone with divine light. He parted the Red Sea with God's holy spirit. He erected a bronze serpent that healed the sick.

We could go on and on about Biblical parallels to the modern era. You used the example of the wicked Hebrews in the wilderness. I already used the wicked Kings in Israel as an example. It seems we can all use a Biblical reference point to defend our viewpoint.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
6 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

To some extent they are the same thing. If God is worth his salt, he provides capable human leadership. How would you feel if the cockpit door swung open and the pilot shouted: "Hey, anybody here know how to fly this thing?"

At least ..... when the pilot opens the door and asks "Hey, anybody here know how to fly this thing?", he is admitting he does not, or cannot,  "fly this thing?"

TEST: Where is the scriptural basis for overlapping generations?

How about ONE example?

Hmmmmm?

far side mountian goat   700.jpg

Copilot Frozen up   700.jpg

fifi at the controls   700  .jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
6 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

Edwin A. Fisher (1847-1948): A civil engineer and native of Massachusetts, he built railroads before going to work for the city of Rochester in the 1890s. There he was given the task of supervising the construction of a second gravity-flow conduit that would bring additional water from Hemlock Lake to the city. As city engineer, he also oversaw the construction of the Cobbs Hill Reservoir and other projects. Though he retired in 1926, he served as a consultant to the city without pay with the title of Engineer Emeritus until his death at age 101.

Yes. That is great grandpa. And I am like him in one notable regard. sigh...

I also serve without pay.

He was not in the truth, though. None of my family is. To find one that is, you must go all the way back to Noah.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

TEST: Where is the scriptural basis for overlapping generations?

How about ONE example

James! James! James! James! Hold the ladder steady.

You hammered the exact same taunt repeatedly in a previous thread that addressed it at length, with answers that you did not like. But that does not mean they were not answers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You hammered the exact same taunt repeatedly in a previous thread that addressed it at length, with answers that you did not like. But that does not mean they were not answers.

TTH:

So, not a single scripture that shows Jesus understood a "generation" to be as currently defined by the Governing Body.  

... surprise! (NOT!)

Anything that is not THAT, is looking into an empty basket, and seeing it overflowing with wisdom ... a self induced FANTASY.

I got news for you kiddo,  Jesus understood a generation to be the EXACT same way that EVERYBODY in his time understood it ... The time between one statistically average persons' birth and his death. 

That is the way it has ALWAYS been understood ... since civilization began and they started counting years, AND counting children.

THIS IS HOW JESUS UNDERSTOOD ONE GENERATION !

That is the way EVERYBODY, and I do mean EVERYBODY that is not delusional and trying to CYA with a fantasy explanation understands it now.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

You can have overlapping generations between peoples ... BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME GENERATION..

ONE sentence explains it ALL!

" A generation is the time between ONE statistically average persons'  birth and his death. ". 

That's IT ... one simple sentence explains it all.

Every life Insurance company in the world will pay you the policy benefits specified when you reach 100 years of age, even though you have not actually died.

If you are alive at 100 years old, you get the money ... yourself!

Yes, previous threads did answer those concerns, and yes, I did not like them, because ....

... I WAS LOOKING FOR CORRECT ANSWERS.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
7 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

He was nearly 80 when he began "serving without pay", i.e. retired, and -NOBLY- still kept an eye on things.  I'm very sorry that you don't appreciate him properly like I do

I have the most information on him than any living person. Yet even I can say almost nothing as to his personality. A few deeds remain, that is all.

To me it indicates the futility of this system. When one dies, they are very soon forgotten.

Link to comment
Share on other sites





  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Popular Contributors

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • It appears to me that this is a key aspect of the 2030 initiative ideology. While the Rothschilds were indeed influential individuals who were able to sway governments, much like present-day billionaires, the true impetus for change stems from the omnipotent forces (Satan) shaping our world. In this case, there is a false God of this world. However, what drives action within a political framework? Power! What is unfolding before our eyes in today's world? The relentless struggle for power. The overwhelming tide of people rising. We cannot underestimate the direct and sinister influence of Satan in all of this. However, it is up to individuals to decide how they choose to worship God. Satanism, as a form of religion, cannot be regarded as a true religion. Consequently, just as ancient practices of child sacrifice had a place in God's world, such sacrifices would never be accepted by the True God of our universe. Despite the promising 2030 initiative for those involved, it is unfortunately disintegrating due to the actions of certain individuals in positions of authority. A recent incident serves as a glaring example, involving a conflict between peaceful Muslims and a Jewish representative that unfolded just this week. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/11/us-delegation-saudi-arabia-kippah?ref=upstract.com Saudi Arabia was among the countries that agreed to the initiative signed by approximately 179 nations in or around 1994. However, this initiative is now being undermined by the devil himself, who is sowing discord among the delegates due to the ongoing Jewish-Hamas (Palestine) conflict. Fostering antisemitism. What kind of sacrifice does Satan accept with the death of babies and children in places like Gaza, Ukraine, and other conflicts around the world, whether in the past or present, that God wouldn't? Whatever personal experiences we may have had with well-known individuals, true Christians understand that current events were foretold long ago, and nothing can prevent them from unfolding. What we are witnessing is the result of Satan's wrath upon humanity, as was predicted. A true religion will not involve itself in the politics of this world, as it is aware of the many detrimental factors associated with such engagement. It understands the true intentions of Satan for this world and wisely chooses to stay unaffected by them.
    • This idea that Satan can put Jews in power implies that God doesn't want Jews in power. But that would also imply that God only wants "Christians" including Hitler, Biden, Pol Pot, Chiang Kai-Shek, etc. 
    • @Mic Drop, I don't buy it. I watched the movie. It has all the hallmarks of the anti-semitic tropes that began to rise precipitously on social media during the last few years - pre-current-Gaza-war. And it has similarities to the same anti-semitic tropes that began to rise in Europe in the 900's to 1100's. It was back in the 500s AD/CE that many Khazars failed to take or keep land they fought for around what's now Ukraine and southern Russia. Khazars with a view to regaining power were still being driven out into the 900's. And therefore they migrated to what's now called Eastern Europe. It's also true that many of their groups converted to Judaism after settling in Eastern Europe. It's possibly also true that they could be hired as mercenaries even after their own designs on empire had dwindled.  But I think the film takes advantage of the fact that so few historical records have ever been considered reliable by the West when it comes to these regions. So it's easy to fill the vacuum with some very old antisemitic claims, fables, rumors, etc..  The mention of Eisenhower in the movie was kind of a giveaway, too. It's like, Oh NO! The United States had a Jew in power once. How on earth could THAT have happened? Could it be . . . SATAN??" Trying to tie a connection back to Babylonian Child Sacrifice Black Magick, Secret Satanism, and Baal worship has long been a trope for those who need to think that no Jews like the Rothschilds and Eisenhowers (????) etc would not have been able to get into power in otherwise "Christian" nations without help from Satan.    Does child sacrifice actually work to gain power?? Does drinking blood? Does pedophilia??? (also mentioned in the movie) Yes, it's an evil world and many people have evil ideologies based on greed and lust and ego. But how exactly does child sacrifice or pedophilia or drinking blood produce a more powerful nation or cabal of some kind? To me that's a giveaway that the authors know that the appeal will be to people who don't really care about actual historical evidence. Also, the author(s) of the video proved that they have not done much homework, but are just trying to fill that supposed knowledge gap by grasping at old paranoid and prejudicial premises. (BTW, my mother and grandmother, in 1941 and 1942, sat next to Dwight Eisenhower's mother at an assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses. The Eisenhower family had been involved in a couple of "Christian" religions and a couple of them associated with IBSA and JWs for many years.)
  • Members

    • Susan Ramirez

      Susan Ramirez 10

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Pudgy

      Pudgy 2,365

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Ronf73

      Ronf73 0

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • TrueTomHarley

      TrueTomHarley 9,448

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • JW Insider

      JW Insider 9,618

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Hollon

      Hollon 0

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
  • Recent Status Updates

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      65.4k
    • Total Posts
      158.6k
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      17,648
    • Most Online
      1,592

    Newest Member
    Miracle Pete
    Joined
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Service Confirmation Terms of Use Privacy Policy Guidelines We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.