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18 hours ago, Shiwiii said:
So why don't you tell me who made those "changes"? I said God did and not men. I don't think I said anything about being right. The Bible tells us that God corrected the people. The Bible doesn't say that God changed His mind, but rather opened the mind of people.
As far as my understanding of Paul, that is between me and God. You can have your opinion about me and what I believe, its ok. I am open to your criticisms and will listen, but that doesn't mean I will change to your views on things. I have the freedom in Christ to do so. If my questions bother you, then by all means let me know. I can rephrase them for clarity. I am simply going off the Bible, and if we both agree that the Bible is the Word of God, then there should be no problem.
You said it was a defeat to "agree to disagree" this implies that one is right and the other was not, as it would only be a defeat if the matter was one of right or wrong.
God commissions his people to search his word themselves and he dignifies them by allowing them to draw conclusions based on the available evidence. Hence, the "light" or understanding gets brighter with time. If you read Daniel 12, in the final part of the days men would rove about or search in God's word and such knowledge would abound. There have been great increases in Bible knowledge in the last 100 years, understanding in Bible languages, new documents being found, timing of events and as a result better translations have been produced which more accurately render verse that in the past have been difficult to translate. I believe
There are a number of times that the Bible shows that Jehovah "regretted" and subsequently changed his mind about some action. One example is the case of Jonah and the Ninevites. God first intended to destroy them. But when they showed repentance he was willing to change his view of the Ninevites. Another example is that of the Judges. When the people would drift into apostasy, God's anger would blaze against them. Judges 2: 18 has the phrase "moved with pity". The footnote reads "felt regret". To regret is to no longer think the same way about a matter. In other words, to change one's mind. Today, when Jehovah deals with us individually he does something similar. When we show repentance for some sin we have committed he is willing to forgive based on the value of Jesus' life. Otherwise none of us could stand.
This is a forum, it is a place where people should feel free to express their views. I agree, you can keep your viewpoint, just as I. I haven't come into this trying to convert anyone. I find it a great source of information and resources, though some may disagree. I think, there's a difference between having an opinion and a personal attack. But if that should ever happen we all have the choice to report any offending posts to let the Mods deal with. I find that on other forums, Bible discussions descend into attacking each other easily. It'd be great if we could remain civil.
Saying that you are simply going off the Bible is a little bit like saying the other person is wrong lol. The problem with saying that is that if the other person also says they are going off the Bible then the two must inherently be in agreement, one mind and one thought. We are not in agreement on all matters. The issue really is, what have each person "missed"? With the knowledge that you have of the Bible, what is it that you have missed that I have pointed out? Alternatively, with the information that I may have, what have I missed? For example, if I have not read the whole Bible maybe I missed a part that had something different to say on a matter I had come to understand one way. I have shown you two or three instances that you may not have thought of. Judges, Jonah and forgiveness of sins today. If you are familiar with scripture there should be no need to quote or cite verses, you would recognize where I have quoted scripture.
Thanks for posting, I'm goign to answer one other person then, I'll be back later if you want to keep talking.
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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:
The agreement to disagree is a disgraceful defeat if it means surrendering the hope of agreement through deeper understanding.
It was not changes it was clarification to the people of what was meant. Who was it that made these "changes"? Was it a group of men or was it God? The answer is clear, it was God who corrected the people. There was no group of men changing things back and forth claiming to speak for God.
Thanks for your opinion, but I disagree with you thoroughly. This is not about being right, it's about maintaining the peace and dignity of all concerned. If you're only interested in arguing you have missed Paul's words on not getting into foolish disputes and arguments about words.
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I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. The OP is about what happens when there is a change in understanding after your baptism. You are implying that you were tricked somehow. However, if you had been studying for several months you would've learned that changes happen, especially if you prepared for your studies well. That way when you were baptized you wouldn't be under any illusion as to what may happen after your baptism. But let;s just say you feel tricked or fooled what is the common reply. It is 1 Corinthians 13: 8 - 13 and Proverbs 4: 18 they are used hand in hand. But let's go further and say, you don't understand what either of those texts have to do with changes after baptism. The next thread of thinking, is to take you through history from Adam to present day showing you all the adjustments that took place leading down to Jesus then on to our day. I've touched on some of those things. But personally, it is so clear to me that adjustments in thinking have been happening since the beginning it is irrefutable, but maybe you don't believe the taking away of the kingdom from the Jews and to spiritual Israel was a significant adjustment. Did the apostles complain? Saying "this is not what I was baptized into."
Did they look for excuses to disregard every explanation given or did they accept each adjustment? When they met with the older men of Jerusalem and the result was Acts 15: 28, 29, then it was conveyed to the existing congregations, do you think that was from men or God? I'm interested in your answer to that. -
Holly, I feel like I'm regurgitating over and over again. I thought that by quoting the text about "babes" would be enough to explain itself. I;m going to simplify dramatically and just use very plain language. I hope you don't mind:
To explain how the scriptures apply to changes we've made since I was baptized
- My baptism has no bearing on the changes made by the organization. The changes would have occurred whether I became a witness or not
- 1 Corinthians 13: 8 - 13 demonstrates that gifts like knowlegde, prophesying and tongues would one day cease. These gifts were temporary things in order to grow the early congregation.
Why do I consider what you've posted as being a worse case scenario?
- I consider you statements as only focusing on the faults of the Governing Body. You have not shown a balanced unbiased approach
Paul speaking about the growth of humans from babies to adults
- I agree Paul was not speaking about literal Babies, he was using similitude to demonstrate spiritual growth, which involves adjustments
- This time and others he was involved in adjustments in thinking: For example, uncircumcision became allowed, previously not allowed
When does the baby analogy apply
- That is correct, according to current thinking, in the 1870's God's people were still a work in progress and will be until the end of the thousand year reign (wt 92 7/15 Pg 30)
I am willing to accept what they tell me
- My relationship is with Jehovah first, I care for this firstly by Bible reading and study. It is inferred that the organization is an extension of Jehovah's sovereignty his visible representative such as were the kings of Israel. Hence, if ever the king was to take the nation into apostasy, I must still respect the anointed one of Jehovah, just as David did Saul. It does not mean that I have to take part in anything that would affect my relationship with Jehovah.
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I disagree with your tendency to seek the worst case scenario and go to one extreme or another. The text is quite clear that what you teach a baby is not the same thing as what you know as an adult. I think you know that deep down. A baby is not able to walk immediately is it? It is not able to speak immediately is it? It cannot think or reason like an adult can it? I wonder if you are a mother, if so does your child know all of your intentions and plans for them? I think understanding this would help an honest hearted person. But solid food only belongs to mature people doesn't it? I am not an elder, nor am I anything special in the congregation, but I took the rafter out of my own eye a long time ago, so I think I have freeness to speak on this matter.
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15 hours ago, HollyW said:
You can't really be saying Paul was teaching wrong expectations and misunderstandings that he had adjust later.
Holly, I wonder what you hope to achieve. When you answered so quickly without giving yourself time to think about your reply, I knew for certain, that you are not interested in actually changing you position. But like I said and I hope you are willing to at least agree to disagree. I don't hope to change you. But I would like to hear your opinion of Pauls statements. What was Paul saying, if not that changes should be expected?
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2 hours ago, HollyW said:
I was just referring to the cute drawing of the sheep in your profile.
How do those scriptures support the idea of being required to accept certain teachings you believed were the true teachings of the Bible, only to have them changed later?
1 Corinthians 13: 8 Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, 10 but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. 12 For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known. 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.
These verses show that not only would changes happen but that Paul may have even expected them in his lifetime. We know now that he did not live to see the cessation of miraculous gifts. However, on a number of occasions he even dealt with people in the congregation denying or refusing to accept the changes from Judaism to Christianity - accepting physical uncircumcision, eating meat sacrificed to idols, the resurrection were some such changes - the meat thing was more about being guided by your conscience rather than a rule. But even greater changes were coming, and Paul may have thought they were coming in his lifetime...
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9 hours ago, HollyW said:
Where you and I differ is in using new discoveries in science as a basis for changing what you believed the Bible was really teaching when you were baptized. Paul certainly did not expect what he was teaching to keep changing. Discovering another planet, or that a planet really isn't a planet, can not be used as an excuse for being wrong about, say, the identity of the faithful slave, or about certain medical procedures that once were banned as being displeasing to God. Or was that what your thoughts were when you were told the identity of the faithful slave wasn't what you had been taught it was---reasoning that since science had been wrong about a planet, it's okay for Christians to be wrong about who the faithful slave is?
btw....love the sheep.
Holly, maybe you've not read 1 Corinthians 13: 8 - 13? What was it that Paul expected to change? What was the current system in Paul's day? What would eventually happen? Even though some things would change, what would remain unchanged? What then is the identifying mark of Jesus followers? John 13: 35 compare 1 Corinthians 13: 8a
By the way, the personality of sheep varies from country to country, not all sheep are naturally meek or obedient. Jesus however, did say that his sheep know his voice. John 10.
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2 hours ago, HollyW said:
Thank you for joining in Mr V. Others have also posted using the comparison of science to what we believe the Bible teaches. I don't agree with this comparison because of what the Bible tells us.
For instance, Paul did not expect his teaching to change: Galatians 1: 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
He also cautioned against being "tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine," Ephesians 4:14.
I think that is a misapplication of the two verses. God's qualities are clearly seen from "Creation" onward. Jesus was present as the word or logos when the universe was being made. Roman 1: 20; John 1: 1- 3. There is nothing contrary about using science to explain things. Do we not read in Job how Jehovah formed everything and put laws in place to govern those things? Did Job know everything at that time? What was Job's conclusion about creation?
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I'm a bit late to the table, but would like to share my thoughts using science as an example. One hundred years ago, science knew all they could know at that time. Today, with the exception of some, many of those facts have changed. Were they wrong? No, not for their time. Today, one hundred years later, yes they are. Why? Because there are various limitations in our abilities at any given time. One hundred years ago, we simply did not have the technology to allow us to see more of what's out there. Right now, we understand that we are limited in our abilities to understand some things, but we can predict what we think should be out there with mathematics and physics calculations. Often we have to wait for the technology to become available to test out those "theories". Some things get proven right, others get disproved and so we must move with the evidence.
So to with spiritual truths, in one hundred years time, spiritual truths will be quite different to how we know them today. A friend of mine died in 2009. Since then there have been so many changes that if he came back today he'd be mind blown! Now, think back a couple thousand years, the apostle Paul was given a vision of the third heaven. But he could speak about the things he saw. It is quite possible that part of what he saw was the spiritual paradise we enjoy today (according to current thinking) But what we know today, might be "words that cannot be spoken and that are not lawful for a man to say." Like scientists who wait for the technology to be invented to allow them to understand deeper truths about the universe, we too must wait on Jehovah, through Christ, to shine light on things we cannot see - isn't that what having faith is?
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Depression is more than just a fleeting downer. We all have downers but they usually short lived. However, when a downer lasts several weeks, it is likely that a person has clinical depression. One's perception of themselves, others and their environment becomes noticeably negative and it can be very hard for a person to lift themselves out of the mire. Telling them to snap out of it, or that it is temporary often has the reverse effect desired. Often just a very patient listening ear is the best treatment that I've found with friends who suffer from depression. What do you think depression is? How do think it should be viewed? What do you think can help a person recover?
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Mental health is the term used to describe the norm for society as to thinking and behaviour. When a person is mentally ill they may think or behave in a way that is not a widely accepted way to think or behave and thus concerns may rise regarding their mental health. Do you agree with this definition or do you have one of your own? Please share your views.
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Thank you, this is great!
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This site is very extensive, but a mental health section would be great, divided into subcategories each of different mental illnesses or a more basic format of major branches.
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Kia ora teina, ko Epi toku ingoa. No Aotearoa ahau. Kei te ako ahau ki te korero Maori
Translation: Hi sister. My name is Epi. I'm from New Zealand. I'm learning to speak Maori..
Maori is the indigenous language of the Maori people of New Zealand. It is a dying language with only about
150, 000 speakers out of 600,000 Maori. Many can say the words but not necessarily understand them.
Although there are many Maori JWs there are yet to be any Maori speaking congregations. Some publications are available in Maori which is great. Maybe one day it will become possible for a Maori speaking congregation!
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Hi there, just putting it out there. There are JWs on Sing! by Smule a great karaoke app (psst you dont have to be a great singer lol) Of course they vary in spiritual maturity but we all have great fun singing our favorite songs together.
Miitomo is a social app by Nintendo (Think, quirky get to know you app) . If you are a Nintendo fan you know they are generally family friendly. You will need a Facebook or Twiiter account to add friends though.
If you would like to add me on Smule or Miitomo you may want to message me privately and I'll give you my twitter handle.
Thanks for reading.
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Has anyone read it? what are your thoughts? Any criticisms please use references too. Thanks.
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1 hour ago, JW Insider said:
We (WTS) used to think that 6,000 years of man's existence ended in 1873 and thus 1874 was the beginning of the thousand years. This is why the primary books of that time period were called "Millennial Dawn." The 1,000 year "day" had just dawned, and "we" were in the early morning of that day.
The fact that so many Bible chronology "proofs" led to the year 1874 was the reason that we kept that date "on the books" as significant for so many years. Up until around 1930. Changes became official for removing 1874 from our chronology "portfolio" in 1943/1944. After that, we kept 1878 as a significant prophetic year "on the books" even up until past when I was born (1957). So, although I don't remember it, we still studied that date at our "Congregation Book Study" in my lifetime.
I'm aware of the other dates. The current chronology still has Adam's creation at 4026 B.C.E pointing to 1975 as the end of 6,000 years. So today, we still use dates that fit the chronology at the time of 1975. What's missing is that the Septuagint has a differing timeline as you may know, and if that is more accurate than the Masoretic text as some believe after comparing the Dead sea scrolls then it may be a long time yet coming.
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Yeah, hmmm. I think it maybe like how we say Jehovah is our saviour and Jesus is his means of saving us. But that both can rightly be called savior, even though Isaiah says only Jehovah is the savior.
- BroRando and Melinda Mills
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Who will call the dead to life? Who is doing the calling in these scriptures?
Because my friend thinks Jesus is the one who will do the calling, but thought it was God going by Job and John here:
Job 14: 13 O that in the Grave you would conceal me,
That you would hide me until your anger passes by,
That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!
14 If a man dies, can he live again?
I will wait all the days of my compulsory service
Until my relief comes.
15 You will call, and I will answer you.
You will long for the work of your hands.
John 5: 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice
It would seem that Jehovah does the calling. But please let me know if I have this wrong and please provide references. Thanks.
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September 1922 to May 1926 Daniel Prophecy Bk
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I look at it this way:
Fruit are consequence/s of an action or actions. Works are actions culminating in a result or fruit.
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1 hour ago, Jay Witness said:
I remember seeing a video some time back where Sam Herd says;
“100 years of Kingdom rule and counting”Or something along those lines.
They always used to distinguish between the kingdom starting in 1914 and the coming millennial kingdom starting at Armageddon, but this recent video makes it plain that the Kingdom Rule started in 1914 and will end with a paradise earth restored.
Am I correct in understanding that they now view the millennium to have started in 1914?
This would mean we have 898 years left of the millennium.I don't think so, as 1914 C.E would shift the date of Adam's creation back also. We think 1975 was 6,000 years since Adam's creation and still use that chronology for other dates of significant events in Bible history. All other dates would need to be pushed back, wouldn't they? Sorry, Ive never been the greatest mathmetician lol
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To The Librarian, this Wikipedia list differs in many parts from our list on the WT Library CDRom, which I will post here:
List by Year
1870-1875, soul, ransom, manner of Christ’s return: kr 28
1872, ransom: jv 718
1876, 1914 end of Gentile Times: kr 15, 28
1877, Christ’s return and presence: kr 28
1879, Babylon the Great: kr 16-17, 28
1880, hell: w89 3/15 19-20
1881, Jehovah: jv 123
soul: jv 127; w87 9/15 29
why evil is permitted: jv 123
1882, Trinity: kr 28; jv 123, 125; w89 3/15 18-19; w87 9/15 29
1884, “other sheep” (Joh 10:16): w95 2/1 11
“sheep” and “goats” (Mt 25): w95 2/1 12
1886, “superior authorities” (Ro 13): w96 5/1 13
1894, origin of teaching of immortality of the soul: w89 3/15 20
1895, elder arrangement: kr 118-119, 123, 129
1907, covenants: jv 630
1917, Revelation: w95 5/15 21; jv 148
1919, importance of divine name: kr 42
a. 1919, work of true Christians: kr 42, 45
1920, ‘good news of kingdom’ is of established Kingdom: w06 2/1 25
time of fulfillment of Matthew 24:14: jv 292
1922, Jehovah and his messenger of the covenant inspect spiritual temple (Mal 3:1-3): w87 6/15 14
Jehovah’s and Satan’s organizations: kr 54
1923, “sheep” and “goats” (Mt 25): re 120; ip-2 254; w95 2/1 12; w95 5/15 18; jv 163-164; w86 5/15 14
1925, Armageddon: jv 140
birth of Kingdom: kr 50; w06 2/15 28-29; re 177; w95 5/15 21; jv 78-79, 138-139; w86 5/15 14
Jehovah’s and Satan’s organizations: w06 2/15 28-29; jv 78-79; w87 6/15 19
1926, Armageddon: w95 5/15 18; jv 140-141
character development: jv 172-173
1927, Christmas: kr 102-103
“faithful and discreet slave” (Mt 24:45-47): w95 2/1 12-13; jv 143, 626
1928, Christmas: kr 102-103; w95 5/15 19; jv 199
cross: kr 104
Easter: kr 105
‘good news of kingdom’ not preached by Bible distribution: w06 2/1 24-25
Great Pyramid of Giza (Gizeh): w00 1/1 9-10; jv 201
Kingdom more important than personal salvation: kr 50
1929, issue of sanctification of Jehovah’s name: kr 45
“superior authorities” (Ro 13): kr 56; w96 5/1 13-14; w95 5/15 22
Valentine’s Day: kr 105
1930, Revelation: w95 5/15 21; jv 148
1931, those marked on forehead (Eze 9:4): re 120; ip-2 254-255; jv 165
1932, appointment of elders: kr 123; w95 5/15 22; jv 213-214, 638
Jehonadab (Jonadab) class: kr 52; re 120; ip-2 255; w95 2/1 13; jv 83, 165-166
“other sheep” to preach: w10 2/15 16; w95 2/1 13; w95 7/1 15; jv 292; w90 12/15 13
restoration prophecies: kr 108; w95 5/15 19-20; jv 141-142; w86 5/15 14
1934, covenants: jv 630
dedication and baptism for “other sheep”: w09 8/15 16; re 120; w95 7/1 15; jv 83; w90 12/15 13
1935, chronology: jv 632-633
flag salute: w06 2/15 29
“great crowd” (Re 7): kr 52-54, 63, 177; w06 2/15 29; re 120, 122; w01 5/15 14-15; ip-2 255; w95 2/1 13-15; w95 5/15 20; jv 83-84, 166-167, 169-170, 261, 443-444; sh 358; w88 3/1 12; w86 5/15 14
sexual morality: kr 110
use of tobacco: kr 112
1936, birthday celebrations: kr 105
cross: kr 105; w06 2/15 29; w95 5/15 20
1937, “other sheep” appointed to responsible positions: jv 216
1938, congregation organization and appointments: kr 123; w06 2/15 28; w02 7/1 17; ip-2 317; w99 2/1 18; w95 5/15 22; jv 217-221, 639
no separate meetings for children and youths: jv 246
relative places of anointed and “great crowd”: w99 2/1 18
1939, neutrality: kr 56, 148-150; w95 5/15 23; jv 193; w89 3/15 21; w86 5/15 14
1941, issue of rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty: jv 262; w89 3/15 21; w87 6/15 19
1942, beast ascending from abyss (Re 17:8): re 246-248; jv 93, 262; w88 3/1 15
1943, chronology: jv 133, 632-633
1944, chronology: jv 133, 632-633
congregational handling of wrongdoing: jv 187
disfellowshipping to be handled by responsible brothers: kr 114
governing body: jv 228-229
sanctity of blood: kr 112
theocratic principles in relation to Society’s charter: jv 227-229
1945, sanctity of blood: kr 112; w06 2/15 29; w95 5/15 23; jv 183; w89 3/15 14
1946, New Year’s Day: kr 105
1947, polygamy: w95 2/1 16; jv 176
1950, princes (Ps 45:16): w95 7/1 15; jv 76, 263
term “religion”: jv 567
1952, disfellowshipping: kr 114; w06 5/15 24-25; jv 187
1953, desirable things of the nations (Hag 2:7): jv 263
Gog of Magog (Eze 38, 39): jv 263
nucleus of new earth: w95 7/1 15
1961, sanctity of blood: jv 183-184
1962, “superior authorities” (Ro 13): kr 57; w06 2/15 29-30; g00 10/22 21-23; w96 5/1 14; w95 5/15 21-22; jv 147, 198, 264; w90 11/1 11; w87 6/15 19; g87 6/8 25; w86 5/15 14
1963, Babylon the Great: kr 54, 56; jv 147-148
Revelation: w95 5/15 21; jv 148
1965, earthly resurrection: w86 5/15 14
1966, denarius paid to vineyard workers (Mt 20): w07 5/1 30
1969, great tribulation: w99 5/1 16; w94 2/15 17-18
Revelation: w95 5/15 21; jv 148
1971, elder arrangement: w95 5/15 22; jv 106, 233
Governing Body: jv 106-107, 233-234; w90 3/15 18
1972, appointment of elders and ministerial servants: w06 5/15 24
Jehovah’s great spiritual temple: w10 7/15 22; w00 3/15 13-14
1973, use of tobacco: kr 112; w06 2/15 30; yb97 136-137; w95 2/1 16-17; w95 5/15 23; jv 181
1976, employment involving gambling: w95 5/15 23; jv 180
1979, “keys of the kingdom” (Mt 16:19): w95 5/15 24
1983, use of firearms: w06 2/15 30
1984, sheepfolds of “fine shepherd” (Joh 10): w95 5/15 24
1985, “other sheep” declared righteous as friends of God: w06 2/15 30; w95 7/1 15
1986, “great crowd” figuratively partake of Jesus’ flesh and blood (Joh 6:51-56): w87 6/15 19; w86 2/15 15-20, 30-31
“ten virgins” (Mt 25): ws 38-44, 46-55
1987, Christian Jubilee: w06 2/15 30; w95 5/15 24; w87 1/1 19-28, 30; w87 4/15 30
Declaration Pledging Faithfulness: w87 2/15 31
1988, 144,000 sing new song before 24 elders (Re 14:3): re 200-201
approved associates: w88 11/15 10-15, 17
figurative heart: it-1 1057-1058
no resurrection for dead in Sodom and Gomorrah: w88 6/1 30-31
parents may study with disfellowshipped minor child: w88 11/15 20
Revelation: w95 5/15 21; jv 148
unbaptized publishers: w89 2/15 29; w88 11/15 16-20
1991, meaning of Proverbs 27:23: w91 8/1 31
1992, Nethinim and sons of the servants of Solomon after exile: w92 4/15 12-17, 31
1993, kings of north and south during time of the end (Da 11, 12): w93 11/1 13-23
start and end of 1,260 days (Re 11:3) and time, times, and a half (Da 7:25; 12:7): w94 8/1 31; w93 11/1 9-10
1994, tribulation and celestial phenomena (Mt 24:29-31; Mr 13:24-27; Lu 21:25-28): w94 2/15 16-21
1995, “sheep” and “goats” (Mt 25): w13 7/15 6; w06 2/15 30; w97 7/1 30-31; w95 10/15 18-28
“this generation” (Mt 24:34; Mr 13:30; Lu 21:32): w97 6/1 28; w95 11/1 10-21, 30-31
1996, acceptability of customary (tribal) marriage: g96 12/8 23
civilian service in lieu of military service: yb97 16; w96 5/1 19-20
“flesh” saved through “great tribulation” (Mt 24:22): w96 8/15 15-20
great tribulation “cut short” (Mt 24:22): w96 8/15 17-18
1997, transfiguration vision (Mt 17; Mr 9; Lu 9): w97 5/15 9-14
1998, duration of new covenant (Heb 13:20): w98 2/1 22-23
Ezekiel’s vision of restored temple and land (Eze 40-48): w06 2/15 30; w00 3/15 13-14; w99 1/15 9; w99 3/1 8-23
nations blessed through Abraham’s seed (Ge 22:18): w98 2/1 14-15
1999, ‘disgusting thing standing in a holy place’ (Mt 24:15; Mr 13:14): w06 2/15 30; w99 5/1 15-20
2000, blood fractions: w00 6/15 29-31
use of one’s own blood: w00 10/15 30-31; w00 12/15 30
2001, “divorce certificate” for Judah (Isa 50:1): ip-2 152-153
‘doves to birdhouse holes’ (Isa 60:8, 9): w02 7/1 12-13; ip-2 308-309
worshipping Jehovah “with spirit” (Joh 4:24): w06 2/15 30; w02 7/15 15; w01 9/15 28
2002, courtyard in which “great crowd” serve (Re 7:15): w02 5/1 30-31
2003, meaning of baptism of Jewish believers at Pentecost 33 C.E.: w03 5/15 30-31
why some early Christians observed features of the Law: w03 3/15 23-25
2007, start of heavenly resurrection: w07 1/1 27-30
when calling to heavenly hope ceases: w07 5/1 30-31; w07 8/15 19
2008, illustration of dragnet (Mt 13): w08 7/15 20-21
illustration of leaven hidden in flour (Mt 13; Lu 13): w08 7/15 19-21
illustration of man casting seed (Mr 4:26-29): w08 7/15 14-16
illustration of mustard grain (Mt 13; Mr 4; Lu 13): w08 7/15 17-19, 21
Mary’s pain during Jesus’ birth: w08 10/1 23
“this generation” (Mt 24:34; Mr 13:30; Lu 21:32): w10 4/15 10-11; w08 2/15 23-24; w08 4/15 29
2009, “all creation that is under heaven” (Col 1:23): bt 217
head covering for female interpreters for the deaf at meetings: w09 11/15 12-13
resurrection hope for baby dying in womb: w09 4/15 12-13
2010, illustration of wheat and weeds (sowing of seed) (Mt 13:24, 38): w10 3/15 20
illustration of wheat and weeds (wheat brought into storehouse) (Mt 13:30): w10 3/15 22
2011, entering Jehovah’s rest (Heb 4): w11 7/15 24-28
feet of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream image (Da 2): kr 177; w12 6/15 15-16, 19
Jesus “a corresponding ransom” (1Ti 2:6): w11 6/15 13; w11 8/15 32
olive tree (Ro 11): w11 5/15 23-25
Peter in Rome: w11 8/1 25
2012, “all these kingdoms” (Da 2:44): w12 6/15 17
Mordecai and Esther “divide spoil” in fulfillment of Genesis 49:27: ia 142; w12 1/1 29
ruin caused by “king fierce in countenance” (Da 8:23, 24): w12 6/15 16
toes of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream image (Da 2): w12 6/15 16
when seventh world power emerged: w12 6/15 15, 19
2013, anointed not to survive Armageddon on earth: w13 7/15 5
‘Assyrian invades our land’ (Mic 5:5): w13 11/15 20
chosen ones gathered (Mt 24:31; Mr 13:27): w13 7/15 5
“evil slave” (Mt 24:48-51): w13 7/15 24
“faithful and discreet slave” (Mt 24:45-47): w13 7/15 8, 20-25
great tribulation: w13 7/15 3-8
illustration of wheat and weeds (Mt 13): w13 7/15 13-14
Jesus comes, arrives (Mt 24, 25): w13 7/15 7-8, 24
Jesus inspects spiritual temple 1914-1919 (Mal 3:1-4): w13 7/15 11-12
meaning of name Jehovah: nwt 1735
2014, appointment of elders and ministerial servants: w14 11/15 28-29
basis first-century Jews had for being “in expectation” of Messiah (Lu 3:15): w14 2/15 26-27; w14 6/15 22
duration of cleansing of spiritual temple (Mal 3:1-4): w14 11/15 30
marriage in resurrection (Lu 20:34-36): w14 8/15 29-30
“solid foundation of God” (2Ti 2:19): w14 7/15 8-9, 13
two witnesses (Re 11): w14 11/15 30
2015, Gog of Magog (Eze 38, 39): w15 5/15 29-30
head covering for sister conducting Bible study: w15 2/15 30
illustration of talents (Mt 25): w15 3/15 20-24
illustration of ten virgins (Mt 25): w15 3/15 13-16
paradise Paul saw in vision (2Co 12:1-4): w15 7/15 8-9
types and antitypes: w15 3/15 9-11, 17-18; w15 6/15 32
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There are lots of straws in your hat, and you are picking at all of them I can answer you by asking questions too, without of course answering the questions. We can play this silly game all day long, but if we have nothing to agree on, then we should agree to disagree, unless of course you want stay on this merry go round.
Do you believe Moses was God's spokesperson or in my native language mouthpiece? Just curious, because if you can accept Moses you can accept the "slave" along with all it's imperfections, just like Moses. If you don't that Moses was God's mouthpiece who are you, in fact, disrespecting?
Whom do you think the child of Revelation 12 is, or what :)?