Equivocation

@Space Merchant Well if it were up to be I'd be way too panicky to do anything. However I am the kind of person who would take random action without thinking straight. One instance would be a friend and me helping someone woman who was in shock while her car was about to catch on fire. Although we didn't do much when the firefighters too over, they said we were the only ones who reacted and took the initiative. I remember that day my heart was racing. My old man taught me to always help out and even gave some lessons before a bible study, but this situation was sudden.

I would guess the thing you are looking for is

Awareness of one's surroundings and taking the initiative.

In Jersey there is a small neighborhood community who is discussing protecting children and one core thing that is being talked about is teaching kids, it also goes for making wise choices and association. 

I'm still a younger, so there's a lot I don't know yet but things I do know benefits me.

@Srecko Sostar Scream Loud and Run Away? What Bible verse says that?

We should not be fighting anyone at all. Some people like to try and provoke JWs to fight so they can record that information to weaponize it.

A Christian can defend themselves but clearly cannot make an attempt to kill someone. 

This is the difference of a Christian who does this compared to a Christian who believes he can be armed to attack and kill a man, a woman, or a child if they are seen as a threat. 

Well the UN can not be trusted. Have you seen what their loyal NGO who applies their goals are doing in Africa?

@JW Insider For some years not too many people trust Google. And those that use it tend to be very limited on what Google ask of them compared to others who allow Google to see their videos, pictures, financial info, card info, and a list of other things.

Google now has AI technology that records data like Alexa. 

@Space Merchant It is also said even the demons will be hurled into the abyss also. I don't remember the passage on the top of my head.

It wouldn't make sense for them to come out of imprisonment either, and the fact the locust are those who are against false religon. 

Someone briefly talked about this today.

@Space Merchant Who is Katgar?

@JW Insider This is kinda out of the blue but one thing I had noticed is those who use the cross in worship for wrong reasons, people putting more importance on what some say murder device. I know some people wouldn't dare use the cross at all also. Now when the cross is up side down then you are in mumbo jumbo town and it is ridiculously dark in what that signifies.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. You can always try to out run the guards, but you'll have to run as fast as Usain Bolt to escape and end up hiding somewhere that  civilians will not call the guards on you. If you're a runner, chances are when or if they catch you, they'll break your legs. Reminds me of show I watch, a slave run from guards, when they catch him Roman priest had guy's leg broken - yikes.

YOU WILL BE CRUCIFIED TODAY!

Me: Nope.

(Runs; throws rocks at guards)

Good thing none of us were born back in those days.

kinda bored so I had this in mind. My family on mother side are more of the survivalist types and had gone on mini camp trips with them long time ago.

I was thinking today what would it be like when it does happen, but hey, thinking that all that camping and stuff would pay off.

Spiritual wise, I can recall passage by memory and quote verses sometimes paraphrase them so if having no access to anything at least I have that.

@JOHN BUTLER He is linking you with them because your reaction to their comments means you agree with them, not to mention you are mentioning him when you agree with those who made the claim so seeing that the both of you are in a debate, that's a strike on you because if one goes back some pages they can see you agreed with the other guy witness or Frida. 

I don't know about the Islam thing but he even linked the thread where he explained the belief of Muslims to you, the Islam faith and he stamped out the misconceptions. Nothing there shows he is supporting Islam, but rather, explaining it, even going as far as to say we must preach to them about the Bible. You yourself even agreed with him which is odd because recently you said he is supporting Islam when what you said turned out to be false. 

Buddy, I like debates as much as the next guy but if you say something you have to back it up with proof. If I were you I'd do some edits because it may save you some time and the embarrassment. Not every day a a young guy gives advise to an adult but this one fits the bill. 

On 11/11/2018 at 7:01 PM, Outta Here said:

Did you miss that?

People have been attcking Jehovah's Witnesses for a loooooooong time. They just come and go. And, funnily, their tactics never change. Or did you miss that as well?

Tell me about. Ever had a guy threaten you with a Machete up close, moving about in a sword dance like fashion? Believe me, it took some time to calm the guy down because he came talking about things he read online and painted a crazy picture of us in his head.

Some brothers and sisters get it bad, even back in the day during the 1940s some were hunted in the same sense the KKK hunted African Americans. I believe one brother had been cut in a way that part of him had been removed. 

Even today it is bad and for some brothers and sisters on the other side of the globe it is far worse.

19 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I am referring to when the cross not even being considered in the church of Christendom until the days of Constantine whereas he himself during the Battle of the Milvian Bridge had a vision, had seen a cross in the sky. It is said that the vision was instructing him to fight in the name of Christ, with his soldiers’ shields bearing the symbol of Christ. On the other side of the spectrum, the writer Eusebius, an apologist of Constantine, described the event in the Life of Constantine, which he wrote after Constantine’s death. Eusebius wrote that Constantine saw a vision of a cross rather than the letters of Christ. That he saw with his own eyes the trophy of a cross of light in the heavens, above the sun, and bearing the inscription, which says conquer by this. At the sight of this he himself was struck with amazement, and his whole army also, which followed him on this expedition, and witnessed the miracle, according to Eusebius.

 

There is more information out there, but I'd have to look some more for it.

Jesus's crucifixion being a public image an acceptable one. After 400 years this came to pass. Scholars traditionally believed that the cross didn't originally begin to function has a Christian symbol.

Guessing very later on after Constantine and only then it was accepted perhaps?

Your quote I looked it up once Insider mentioned it. Traced it back to Biblical Archaeology site.

The source leads to George Willard Benson, The Cross: Its History and Symbolism.  An account of the symbol for universal in its use in more important in its significance. Then any other in the world.... yada yada yada.

Other names are included. And cititaions.

@Srecko Sostar Back to your old tricks, Frida? 

@JOHN BUTLER He isn't wrong. The Watchtower has never made any sort of claims of being an inspired prophet, and there's information to even further back that up. You don't have to like us Jehovah's Witnesses to realize that. What I do find funny is that you said you dont judge or assume things. Now look at you.

@JOHN BUTLER I didn't ask you to judge. I asked you a question. All questions have a direct answer.

so am I or am I not? Because if you knew how much we forgive even when met with opposition from former Jehovah's Witnesses, you'd see that but every time we are shot down in every attempt. Some of us ridiculed and demonized yet we still are peaceful towards those who oppose, our fellow man.

11 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Ah no, but the GB expect to be believed and obeyed. Even if they do put sly cop outs in their writings. 

GB : Um we might be wrong but we think this and that, but you must follow us and our Org or you will die at Armageddon. 

The threat of spiritual death and physical death of not being in the 'Org' and not following the teachings of the GB. Is that really how God wants people to show love to one another.  

They give us the tools and encourage us to learn from the Bible. And from what is said in the publication comes from the Bible by means of teaching and principle.

We follow the teachings because the teachings is true by means of the Scriptures and not follow the scriptures puts you in opposition with God, the righteous ones the meek ones who take up the truth from the Bible will have salvation, we preach what is true to the nations so they can learn who the True God is.

Spiritual Death is indeed a real thing, it can be avoided by follow the Scriptures for death in the spirit means a total alienation from not only the teachings of the Bible, but of Jehovah God. And by showing love we do teach the Word and who God is so whomever we speak the truth to will understand who God is and what he will do for mankind. If you have faith in God you'd be well aware of what he will do, little faith to crumble in the spirit only shows one has little faith in God or is discouraged of the promise. 

I believe God will make things right and people should know who God is, his Kingdom and his Son, Jesus Christ.

I stand by my word - the GB never claimed inspiration at all and like them we follow the true God and his Word.

@JOHN BUTLER London is dangerous and has been for a while now. You should be aware of your surroundings at all times because the crime is higher whereas Shadiq Khan is making the fact that it is dangerous there. I pray for friends and families every day because of this. People with no care in their hearts commit such acts of harm to people. 

Just now, JOHN BUTLER said:

Wow, someone rattle your cage ? You are joining forces with S.M. ?

You are counting me amongst violent people ? Just because i am an Ex-JW you think I'm a gangster ? 

Climb down off your high horse for a moment. If you are a JW you sure don't sound like one. 

I never said England was peaceful. I said "I'm so glad I'm here in a peaceful part of England"  I know what happens in other parts. My brother and sister live in our hometown of Reading, just 30 miles from London. I visit occasionally but only stay for the shortest of time. 

I also wasn't suggesting that S.M. practised Voodoo. I was suggesting that Voodoo was practised in the area where he lived, as he seems to know about such things. 

As for me 'following' anyone else, you are totally off course. You seem to be suggesting that anyone that is an Ex-JW must be part of a movement of some kind. How wrong you are. I am not that weak. I do not need holding up by others. I am my own man. 

I have no thoughts of JW's having firearms. i have no thoughts of JW's harming others physically. BUT i do have thoughts of the GB and JW Org harming people spiritually. 

It isn't about joining him or not, but I understand what he is saying and since I live in America, I know who the bloods are the crips and the MS 13 gang and I know what role they play in child prostitution, if the money is there they will go for it, but the MS 13 major care is to inflict pain, killing people in the process. 

I never counted you and I don't see SM throwing all former Jehovah's Witnesses into one pot. He is aware of the different factions of them and the fact he mentioned TGA gives an idea of who among former Jehovah's Witnesses you follow. I know who TGA is and how he is with other former Jehovah's Witnesses. It is also hypocrisy to say he puts them all in one basket when he can differentiate whose who, which is the case for some of us who has been harrassed by former Jehovah's Witnesses, in my case it is the one called Faithful Slave and his friends.

Islanders, even for us Dominicans are aware of voodoo and some have lost family members to it. I thank Jehovah that no one I know or my family became victim of it, but the same cannot be said for others. Devil worshippers always have the jump on people because they are backed by those who support them, in Dominican Republic it isn't that big, but there are very small pockets. And no one in their right mind would confront them unless they want to also be a target. Only few policemen deal with them and military personnel. They wouldn't touch a white man or woman unless they somehow stumbled on their territory which is rare. In America and parts of the world there is Witchcraft and it is in media and books the real thing, the Bahamut followers do exist and we should not be affiliated with these people at all and avoid them, they represent Molech/Baal worshippers of old.

You sure? If Faithful Slave can rally people for his cause to take an aggressive approach while the other factions have both and or passive approach, their influence can spread. It isn't a surprise of someone in a similar situation can take up that same influence and not realize they follow it. I can say to you that you are nowhere near Faithful Slave who is on a journey to cause trouble, but the influence of the passive ones may get to you, which seems to be the case for most, this also goes for former Jehovah's, who side with Cedars and TGA that say we have firearms or the other guy Rick Fearon.

The Governing Body has not caused spiritual deprivation to me, they merely give the tools and encourage study and research. I take those tools and I grow spiritually coming to know the true God, Jehovah and know of his Son, Jesus Christ.

So you tell me, how has the organization caused me to be spiritual deprived when it enabled me to learn the Word?

What am I missing that you have found? What have you taken which I have not? What did you seek that I did not find?

If we are in the wrong, what are you preaching, do you know what you should be preaching?

Not related, but I can tell you right now there is one I recognize here who supports both the aggressive factions and the passive factions and spares no mercy to former Jehovah's Witnesses, even me, who are against these factions. I will refer to him as "Old Man".

Your picture shows you to be a good and fine family man but even the man of the house can begets ideas from those he sometimes agrees with.

I have not introduced myself, I am unknown presence, I am Jehovah's Witness and have been studying with them for I was a former Catholic. I came to know who the true God is and learned that Mary was not the Mother of God and also learned that the ghost of Mary was something of a false practice. Although now one, I am met with opposition from Former Jehovah's Witnesses who are famous among their communities, each of their own faction at the same time there are other former Jehovah's Witnesses who have been or are targets of the disgruntled former members and they support me also even defended me.

As for the odd unknown Language I tend to post, I do so so that no one recognizes what I say for a reason. If one can diciper it, good on them because I tend to keep such cryptic so I give you a freebie

this one says Greetings John Butler, dont brother translating it because you can't.

 

 

@JOHN BUTLER If that is the case. Do you see me as a pedophile or a pedophile lover? And are you aware that there is 2 main factions of former Jehovah's Witnesses that wants to be aggressive and the other who are passive yet influential of action? Former Jehovah's Witnesses spare no time to drag my Family name in the street yet we still show mercy from a barrage that comes at us unexpectingly.

I choose Jehovah's Witnesses because I know it is the truth. I am not unaware of the problems this world faces as with what is going on with us because we preach to the people, and at times we do not know the intent of the person. Yes we have the GB, but the core focus is in serving God the Father, Jehovah, no one else.

@Space Merchant They distort the what the two witness rule actually is about and among them they have division amongst themselves and have created another vacuum of religous hatred.

I still remember when they came to us and branded us all as pedophiles and they disrupted our service. 

The man that stopped the disruptive protest is a former Bible Student,  a friend of John Cedars. The video was not 2 hours but it was 2 parts, length to 2 hours so half correct. 

A friend of mine, his girlfriend is a Jehovah's Witness who was one for a few years. He defended his girlfriend only for disgruntled Jehovah's Witnesses to denounce him, they made a video about it also discrediting his girlfriend and forcefully suggest that she is a cultist and encouraged separation. 

The Congregation that was disrupted was in New Jersey, the disruption was done by a man who goes by the name Faithful Discreet Slave and his company of nearly a dozen followers. Although they were booted from the Kingdom Hall they continued to insult, even calling elders Janitors as well as made threats. This one believes in aggressive protest.

The positive is that other churches and the community of passaic do not agree with Disgruntled Jehovah's Witnesses and were against them on their trek to Warwick, this took place during the Antifa event and elsewhere the attack on a Jewish Cemetery in the same county. 

Old and New, New and Old. The GB has never claimed to be inspired and those who say otherwise only proofs true to the very lies they drown themselves in. The hypocrisy and the misleading, but people who know what is true and what is false will say something. 

46 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

The gangsters allow Jehovah's Witnesses to walk around preaching in these areas ?  And do the JW's carry guns? 

I'm so glad I'm here in a peaceful part of England, although you know we have murders here but they are rare occurrences.  

I believe that God finds a person, a person doesn't find God. But how does a person when found by God get out of such a situation as you have mentioned ? An under age prostitute. How will she be able to change her ways so that she can serve God ?  A drug dealer that wants to leave his organisation of criminals. It must be difficult for him to break away and start a new life. But, yes we know, with God all things are possible. 

 

If you understood the gravity about what he is saying he speaks about what former Jehovah's Witnesses have said regarding current Jehovah's Witnesses. They preach that the Watchtower and at the Watchtower Headquarters that there are guns and other weapons of destruction that are hidden within the underbelly of Kingdomsl Hall, which was also brought up last November by former Jehovah's Witnesses. 

England isn't peaceful, you are only lucky to live where the heat has not touched you, but it has for others. Hate Crimes, Acid Attacks, Knife Attacks, even performed by those on bikes, Machetes, and it is even greater in London and Khan does not know his own country, as do most British people, you may be included in the bunch. 

SM is referring to something he posted before if you look at his history. Underage Prostitution is an issue in the United States, and myself, who lives there, the Tri State area, can tell you this is an actual problem. If I am not mistaken SM isn't a practitioner of voodoo, there are those in the Caribbean that do, I know because I am Dominican andthis is true when it comes to off limit areas. At the same time a lot of people are against voodoo and SM in his past comments made it known some of his family members had been killed by those who practice it if you look at his forum history and Blood and Crips are American gangs, some of them having affiliation to child/underage Prostitution wherever the money is coming from they will have a hand in it.

If the Jehovah's Witness who is most likely a black teenager did something  he would be killed. his family would be killed. And it is stupid to confront an underaged prostitute who is heavily connected to gang members, the most common being Bloods and Crips. If you were in that position, most likely you would have been killed, perhaps followed home and your actions caused the death of not only you alone but your family also and nearby folks who do not know what's going on. It's called street smarts and situations like this you should not get involved in, take example from 1 Thessalonians 4:11 to 18.

Yes some situations are grime, but it cannot always be helped. You cannot care for your family or friends regardless of the relationship if you are a corpse, you should be aware of that.

Blood and Crips as well as the MS 13 are hardcore in their craft and there is little chance of them breaking away for if you leave a hand it is a high chance you'll be assassinated in the most brutal fashion and be made an example of.

If you follow the British man TGA, you are aligned with his belief of Jehovah's Witnesses harboring firearms. This isn't the case because me or my family do not stockpile weapons under the halls nor do we stash poison or even think of killing a fellow man with poison. But you, former Jehovah's Witnesses wouldn't give a care if you influence a man to commit arson and riddle the halls with bullets, yet we do not act as others do, we do not seek vengeance but you guys make it seems we do.

The bystander effect can take up anyone and most likely it can be the case with you. Be very careful of London, Shadiq Khan was wrong to speak of how safe it is.

On 11/2/2018 at 9:46 PM, The Librarian said:

For this movie:

 

I have the drama, but I want the background music from the drama itself.

I am looking for music. Specifically the background music played in the Jehovah's Witnesses drama for Jonah. Is it possible to find all the background music for this drama?

If it's not possible, I understand. 

Thank you

 

@JOHN BUTLER If they never claimed to be inspired, it should be obvious that they are taking notes. The Bible verses you posted cites what context of it reads, the nwt Bible shows this too.

Us men are imperfect, and even prophets, priests and the anointed fits this description, for in present day, we still never heard them, orally say they are, not even in the past and there is evidence.

causes for stumbling: Or “stumbling blocks.” The original meaning of the Greek word skanʹda·lon is thought to have referred to a trap; some suggest that it was the stick in the trap to which bait was attached. By extension, the word came to refer to any impediment that would cause one to stumble or fall. In a figurative sense, it refers to an action or a circumstance that leads a person to follow an improper course, to stumble or fall morally, or to fall into sin. At Luke 17:2, the related verb skan·da·liʹzo, translated “stumble,” could also be rendered “become a snare to; cause to sin.”