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Explain please. Are you saying Anna is the problem ?

I have said before that unfortunately @Arauna writes from her emotions, and I find her attack on @Witness to be very sexist. I know not whether @Witness is of the anointed but i can see by her writings that she is concerned for the spiritual health of all people. I seem to notice that it is the JWs that do the insulting here. An example is the way @TrueTomHarley insults me. But it was me that was given a warning by @Anna . Can we please try to be nice to one another. Even if we do feel that some are enemies, Jesus said to Love your enemies.

Quote @Anna "The "Jew" are all the anointed (spiritual Israel). The FDS are just a few of the anointed to give food at the proper time. Don't mix the two up" The truth is NO ONE know who the F&DS are. You are only relating what you are told by the GB through the W/t. But one main point is, that scripture says that, the earthly class want to follow or 'go with' the JEW, the Anointed. It does not say 'go with' the 8 men of the GB of CCJW. Next point. Quote "Peter was talking about the last days of what was going on at the time (destruction of Jerusalem was close)," I tend to agree with you on this but, was that a smaller fulfilment of the prophesy concerning the 'last days'. There seems to be an understanding that many scriptures had a smaller fulfilment and will have a bigger fulfilment. Only the Apostle John's writings were written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C. E. So all other last day prophesies could have two fulfilments. 2 Timothy Chapter 3 for instance, talks about the 'last days'. But that was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. So Paul's letter could be referring to the last days before the destruction of Jerusalem. But it is generally accepted to mean the 'last days' NOW. So 'what was spoken of though the prophet Joel' 17 ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams,l 18 and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Could have a bigger fulfilment in THESE last days. And if so, who are those people mentioned in it ? In that scripture God is promising to POUR OUT SOME OF HIS SPIRIT but the GB admit to not having that spirit. Read that scripture again and see the promises in it that come from GOD. It mentions male and female being inspired by GOD'S holy spirit. IN the Last Days.

I've just been reading the January 2020 Study Watchtower. (Hard copy mag', not online) In particular Study No 5. Now my previous comment I wrote 3 hours ago on another topic, before I'd even seen this Study article. And what is this Study article about ? It's about the Anointed and WE WILL GO WITH YOU PEOPLE. The 10 men and the Jew. It shows that the 'Jew' are the anointed and the ten men are people that want to serve God properly, with an earthly hope.. However in para' 2 it says 'However they do not view the anointed as their leaders, realising that Jesus fills the role of Leader' Keep that in mind. In para 7, we find this hint once again basically telling Anointed ones not to meet together and not to have Bible discussions together. Saying the congregation would not be united if anointed ones 'did those things'. It also makes a very harsh statement, that the anointed 'would be working against the holy spirit' if they were to do those things. However in para' 8 it tells us about the bible, saying ".but it does not tell us that we can make any human our leader" Remember this too. Para' 10 says " we will never follow others, even those who are anointed or well known or those that have served Jehovah for a long time. Remember all this. Because you should also remember that the GB have said "Jehovah and Jesus trust us (GB) so you should trust us" Para' 12 once again uses the idea of some of the 'anointed' being mentally ill, BUT para 15 is the big one. Quote " Not all who have the hope of living in heaven are part of 'the faithful and discreet slave' It uses the excuse that 'Just as in the first century, Jehovah and Jesus today are using a few brothers to feed, or teach, many. Only a few anointed Christians in the first century were used to write the Christian Greek Scriptures ". What it completely fails to mention is that there were relatively few anointed disciples in the position of being with Christ at the time and therefore having the knowledge to write those things. It also fails to note that Paul was more of an 'outsider', not one of the twelve, but Paul was used to write the letters to the congregations. Para 15 goes on to say that " Today only a few anointed Christians have the responsibility to give God's people 'food at the proper time' ". That paragraph 15 is so tiny and slyly slipped in there. It's right at the end of the article deliberately to play on the minds of congregants. It has no scriptural backing at all. So the Study article starts off by saying exactly as I have said about the 10 men clinging to the robe of a Jew. It recognises the JEW as being the Anointed. It recognises the earthly class as Saying "We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people" BUT then it ends the article by saying that only those 8 men are the F&DS. Hypocrisy of the highest order. No scripture in the whole Bible says those 8 men are the F&DS. And no scripture says who the F&DS are. The Governing Body of CCJW have given themselves that title and are still pushing this full tilt on the congregation. The scripture in Acts 2, from verse 14 where Peter implies that they are living in the last days, states that, from v 17, ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams,l 18 and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. This scripture mentions women as well as men prophesying. It mentions young and old seeing visions and dreaming dreams. BUT it doesn't mention just 8 men that 'study together' (which they don't want other anointed doing) being the only ones to prophesy. I am grateful to the provider of the magazines i have. It's nice to be able to read it in print.

But then PEOPLE that think the true Anointed should be totally ignored, and that people should follow a Governing Body of MEN who pretend to be a 'faithful and discreet slave', but at the same time are ruling over others by man made rules, well it shows who THEY serve doesn't it. I don't think a true Anointed remnant would want to 'rule' whilst in human form, BUT, they may want to offer guidance. A think a true Anointed would see themselves as a servant of God not as a GOVERNING BODY. CSB Zechariah 8 v 23 The Lord of Armies says this: “In those days, ten men from nations of every language will grab the robe of a Jewish man tightly, urging: Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” 23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe* of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you,k for we have heard that God is with you people.” King James Bible Act 2 v 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: NWT Act 2 v 18. 18 and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. So where do these scriptures in Acts fit in with your GB ? Your 8 men that lord it over the congregation. In v 14, it says Peter stood up and spoke to them, the people. And it seems that Peter related what was happening to them actually being in 'the last days'. So was that indeed the beginning of the 'last days' ? Now if so then it mentions twice about females prophesying, firstly 'and your sons and daughters will prophesy' and secondly, 'and on my female slaves ... and they will prophesy'. So where are these other men and where are these females that are to prophesy ? If it is only your 8 men of the GB that you rely on ? Note also that God promises to POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT OF THOSE ONES. BUT your GB admit to NOT being inspired on God's Holy spirit. I've started a new topic after just reading the January 2020 Study 5 which is rather interesting. WATCHTOWER JANUARY 2020 STUDY 5

How many scriptures would you like :- Ezekiel 36:23 Ezekiel 38:16 Ezekiel 28:25 Ezekiel 39:7 1 Kings 5:5 Isaiah 48:9 Ezekiel 38:23 Isaiah 43:7 Numbers 3:13 Ezekiel 39:27 Ezekiel 20:41 God / Yahweh has sanctified HIS own name many times and will continue to do so. Your idea that humans can do the same for themselves is just twisting the situation for your own use. YHWH is Almighty God and therefore is entitled to sanctify HIMSELF above every thing and every one. You do seem to place more importance on humans than is necessary. Now that is a fault of the CCJW. Don't you ever wonder what plans God has for when this little hiccup is over. Do you think this Earth and humans are the only things that Almighty God has in mind ? Really ? God has to be sure that all spirit persons in the heavens are true to HIM and love HIM. God almost completely wiped out the human race once (The Flood) and God is going to almost wipe out the human race again (Armageddon). Almighty God is far superior to everyone and everything. Understand it and live with it. Unfortunately the GB and the CCJW will not be humble enough to live with it, that is why they are failing and will continue to do so. As for your excuse as to why the GB wants the sins of the CCJW hidden, you are wrong. The reason the GB want their sins hidden is as I've said above. The GB and the CCJW are not humble enough to show respect to Almighty God through Jesus Christ. The GB and others with power in those Orgs (CCJW / Watchtower Soc ) are trying to keep their own power, they do not 'bend their knee' to God or Christ. I think you need a bigger and deeper perspective of all things. For instance, I often think on this :- Was the angel (that became the devil ) actually put in charge of the Earth ? If so, then did God and His Son have further plans for another planet ? Have those plans been put on hold for this short time, for it is only a short time in God's eyes. You see, I try to think more from a spiritual viewpoint. This Earth and us humans are just small fry. Important to a small degree, but not the most important. The important thing was for God to clear all blame from HIMSELF. He is still in the process of doing that. We are fortunate to be able to be part of it, but we are not the most important part.

I thought the Insight book description was very good and proper. It puts humans in their proper place. Whom ever wrote that did well I think, and i think God would be pleased with the way it was written. The praise and authority and respect was given fully to God, although I'm not sure the name of God is correct. I did note that higher up on the page it says, that Hebrew scholars are more inclined to the name Yahweh, which i agree with. However the Model Prayer says 'Let you name be sanctified' It does not say 'Sanctify your own name'. As God's 'name' is already holy in heaven, then it seems more to be asking that humans can do their part in making God's name holy here on earth.

Quote @Kosonen "But I have recently realized one particular doctrine in the Watchtower literature making it difficult. It is the doctrine of how important the sanctification of Jehovah God is for God himself." However what i don't see here IS, any example from any Watchtower magazine. Surely you should furnish proof positive by giving the details of the Watchtower mags' these things are written in ? If what you are saying IS true, then it would look as if the GB are heading in the way John Butler said they would be heading. @TrueTomHarley says 'No on can d/fed the GB'. A bit naive in my opinion. If God finds the GB turning their backs on HIM even more than they have already, then i think God will act in some way to put matters straight. As for the letter even getting read in a serious manner, I doubt that very much. Which Bethel / HQ are you sending this to ? BUT, God is not acting just for humans to benefit is HE ? The challenge did not start with humans did it ? The challenge started in heaven, by an angel. Then many more angels took the side of the main rebellious angel. So the main reason God is taking this forward is not for the benefit of humans. The main reason is for God to prove HE has the right to be in complete charge of all things. I hope you do not think that humans are the most important thing. We are not superior to heavenly beings. Therefore God needs to satisfy the 'minds and hearts' of all those heavenly beings once and for all time, so that rebellion will not start again. Sanctification is a strange word. We as humans trying to serve God, want to try to clear God of blame. We want to show other people that God does not do harm in this 'world', nor does HE do good in a general way. Basically we need to show people that God is not involved in daily life, but has a plan of action which HE will bring into play when HE is ready to do so. However God has to show all those heavenly / spirit beings that HE has the right to rule. And that HE is just, loving, kind and merciful, and that HE has the power to carry through HIS plans. So if that is what the GB means then it is right. But if the GB are suggesting God is selfish, wow, they are then heading for big trouble.

I don't think there is a problem with not being equal. If I ever get to know who the true remnant of the Anointed are, I will accept them as being above me. I certainly would not think that I am equal to the Apostles. I don't actually want to be equal to everyone else. In my opinion being humble means thinking of myself as a lesser one. As for Kos' idea of one body, I think that only refers to the Anointed ones. The Anointed are the one body of Christ, with Christ as the head. Jesus said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold". He of course meant the earthly class. So in my opinion they cannot be of the same 'body'. Would seem strange to me to have part of the body in heaven and part of the body here on earth. So I do not consider myself equal to the Heavenly class. God has made personal contact with them, and He has not and will not with me ..

Matthew 24 v 4 through 8. In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you,e 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.f 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.g7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,h and there will be food shortagesi and earthquakes in one place after another.j 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. Luke 21 v 9 through 11. Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disturbances,* do not be terrified. For these things must take place first, but the end will not occur immediately.”j10 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation,k and kingdom against kingdom.l 11 There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;m and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs. I think @JW Insider said that the so called signs were actually just the opposite. They are things not to get excited about, because it gives false hope. And as I've said before Jesus warned against those looking for 'signs'. Looking for physical signs is showing a physical viewpoint not a spiritual viewpoint. Surely there are many things to happen between now and the Judgement.

@Arauna Unfortunately you write emotionally not spiritually, so it is difficult to have a conversation with you. Proof of this is such things as :- Quote "maybe you are the only person God can use heh? It seems you think this way... How can I answer such things ? If you have read many things that i have written you would know differently. Quote " Pride is a blinding sin. When one judges for God that the spiritual Israelites he is using are not good enough for you." Firstly, it does not seem as if GOD is using anyone right now. Anthony Morris' comment concerning the Virus is not exactly loving is it ? The Virus is not from God, so why would that GB member be so happy about it ? And the CSA issue is of course not so important right now, but it is still there, and still to be answered for. And the misuse of scripture, overlapping generations etc... I only judge the GB and the CCJW for my own purpose, so that i can tell if it is the right way to try to serve God. In my eyes it is not the right way to serve God, because it can easily be seen as unclean and sometimes dishonest. And not least that the GB admit to not having God's guidance. It is no different to you or anyone judging the Catholic Church or any other religion as to if that religion is serving God properly. And lets be honest the CCJW has constantly judged other religions and condemned them. Arauna, you still seem to be putting your faith in those 8 men. So be it, if it suits your needs. But don't be so angry with others that are looking to God through Christ for a true answer.

@admin and @Anna I am offended by this comment. Please tell this Mr Harley to refrain from insulting me. Thank you in advance.

Yes the resurrected will get their judgement at the end of the 1,000 years, the same as anyone else. And Jesus was talking about those of the heavenly class, but you don't have to believe it if it doesn't fit with your comfort zone. And misusing scripture just shows that you are one of the CCJW. That's all. If i say more I will be accused of wrongful action, so I'll stop here.

Point 1. God does not need telling HE already knows. My prayers to God ask HIM to bring forth a clean people for HIM to use. God used the Nation of Israel for a couple of reasons. The main reason was to being forth Jesus Christ. But as I've said before, and of course I'm ignored for it, people were BORN INTO the Nation of Israel so they did NOT CHOSE to be Iraelites. Hence it was not voluntary. Do you not understand that ? And therefore do you not understand the big difference ? JW's volunteer TO BE JWs. It is a personal choice, a choice which Israelites did not have. There is no comparison between the Nation of Israel and the CCJW in that way. But one thing, the Nation of Israel got punished for disobeying God. They got punished for offering their children in the fire. They got punished for worshipping false gods. So if you really think the CCJW is God's chosen organisation, and if you really think it compares to the Nation of Israel, then I suggest to you that you get ready for the CCJW to be punished by God.

You are so funny James. Your 'test' is not important to me. If you are blind enough or lazy enough to remain with CCJW then why should i be concerned about your opinion ? I gave you an option, which you obviously do not like. Stay safe, America seems to be suffering badly.