Patiently waiting for Truth

you are all so funny, and y'all give me a great reason to laugh at y'all. But laughing at your GB for their U TURN in Australia is much better. As for proper Christian behaviour, none of us here have it. But dear old C.C. is actually Billy the Kid, which could also be the person Allen that I've had no dealings with. And good olde Tom must have at least ten AKA's

Yes, but none of you have any true answers as to why your GB / Leaders have got it wrong so many times, when they say they are the Faithful and Discreet slave. Is God or Christ telling them lies ? If the GB / Leaders of the Watchtower are supposed to be the true source of spiritual food, then who is telling lies ? Why would God or Christ mislead your GB / Leaders ? The real reason is, of course, that your GB / Leaders are fake. They are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit because they are not the F&DS. And you JWs are so hurt by those facts that you have to pretend you have answers. You have to keep serving Men, because it's all you know how to do.

WHAT COMPLET HYPOCRISY. This truly shows the GB / Watchtower / JW Org for what they really are. It's all about the money, money, money. They do not care about people. BUT they didn't 'believe that' earlier, when money wasn't involved. THIS IS WHO YOU SERVE JWs. THESE ARE YOUR MASTERS, YOUR GB AND THEIR LAWYERS AND THEIR NON ANOINTED HELPERS.

But back on track. Miracles and being inspired of God's Holy spirit. It seems that most JWs on here DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD POURING OUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT 'in the last days'. They do not believe that anyone will be inspired. WHY ? Because the GB of the Watchtower / JW Org only teaches physical things, not spiritual things. Joel 2 : 28 Berean Study BibleAnd afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Acts 2 : 17 Berean Study Bible‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. So, are we in those LAST DAYS ? Well the Watchtower keeps saying we are. So are you calling God a liar concerning the pouring out of His spirit ? Zechariah 8 : 23 Berean Study BibleThis is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ” That Jew is the TRUE Anointed. So will you be one of those 'ten men' ? You of little faith. JWs that pretend to believe in God through Christ. In fact you do not believe in either God or Christ. You put your faith in MEN. Your GB and your Watchtower Society / JW Org, are your gods. That is why you do not believe in the miracle of God's Holy Spirit.

Excuses excuses. Congregants would be d/fed for a hundred different reasons, BUT Elders and others were not d/fed for CSA. They were kept hidden in the congregations. BUT I've still not had any true answers as to how Australia had more that 50 years worth of Pedophilia records, which it seems they handed over. And America, where the Org began, pretends to only have 25 years of Pedophilia records on data base. AND I still haven't heard that your GB has handed all that data base over to the Superior Authorities. Add to this, that up until February last year (Pre-Covid virus) the GB were going to be arrested in connection with CSA. But it's all gone quiet now. i wonder why ? A very big back hander payout maybe ????? Is the new American president going to legalize Child sex ? I would not be at all surprised.

Incorrect - You see @Srecko Sostar some of these JWs do not believe in miracles, even if they pretend to.

xero is here pretending to be a JW Elder. Oh dear, well if he is a JW Elder it shows the very low level of JW Elders. But i suppose he is just doing what JWs do, following the GB. Remember it is the GB that say some of the Anointed are mentally ill, or nut jobs as xero calls them here. xero, you show yourself for what you are it seems.

Maybe a few will happen before Armageddon

Yes, a wonderful thought indeed, BUT, even JWs on here don't seem to believe in miracles anymore.

It would be false if you don't understand its context John. My point is that you pretend to be a JW, BUT the NWT does not include that scripture and you as a JW should know that. So, who do you believe, your GB's Bible or some other Bible ?

Um interesting that you judge me. BUT I repent of my sins to Almighty God through Jesus Christ, as I should.

Yes but it is not in the NWT because it is supposed to be a false scripture ?????? John 8 starts at verse 12.

Please explain this comment. We ARE supposed to serve God through Jesus Christ. John 14 : 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Go careful xero, you may be showing your true colours here.

Then he could have a point

This sounds like you are actually writing about a Kingdom Hall. where nobody’s identity is known for sure, where it is so easy to hide who and what you are, How true that is. Because you and others don't think sins should be confessed, so Elders and congregants hide all their sins. And even when congregants (or Elders?) are reproved, no one knows why, so the sins are still hidden. Hence congregants and Elders can still hide who they really are, and of course this has led to so much CSA in congregations. where there is no spiritual food, Now that's for sure. The 'food' coming from men that are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit, and possibly written by men that are not of the Anointed.

James 5 : 16 Therefore, openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect. CC disagreeing with God's word.

Isn't this the scripture which is false ?

Proverbs 28 : 13 The one covering over his transgressions will not succeed, But whoever confesses and abandons them will be shown mercy. 1 John 1 : 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness James 5 : 16 Therefore, openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect. It seems that Tom disagrees with scripture. But to be fair, i believe the scriptures are for the True Anointed remnant. Can you imagine everyone in a congregation confessing their sins to each other . I confessed one of my sins in a group study once and everyone looked horified.

But how do you feel about the GB / Lawyers not handing over the 25 year Pedophile database in USA ? How do you feel that here in UK the UK Bethel didn't want to hand over their Pedophile information, to the point that the info' was only handed over (o rmaybe only a small amount of the info') after the court told them to ? How do you feel the GB Layews that have deliberately lied in courtrooms ? How do you feel about Elders using clergy penitent privilege in court ? how do you feel about compensation being paid to victims of CSA in the JW Org / Watchtower ? Those are important points, because those points will show how much of a 'Christian' you are.

Mathew 18 : 16 & 17 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'every word may be strengthened upon the testimony of two or three witnesses.'And if he fails to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he fails to listen to even to the church, let him be to you as the pagan and the tax collector. Or NWT “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault* between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter* may be established.p 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nationsq and as a tax collector. We are not talking about everyday conversation, we are talking about SIN in the congregation. Also i think the apostle Paul made it known 1 Corrinthians 5 v 1 Actually sexual immoralitya is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. So, once again it seems your GB / Org do not obey scripture 'as they see it', because they do it all in secret. We are not talking Data protection here, we are talking obeying God.

JWs or not, the laws of the land are different in different Lands.

NOW THIS IS WHAT A CURRENT ELDER THINK OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN JW ORG CONGREGATIONS. AS I'VE SAID BEFORE THE ORG JUST LOOK AT VICTIMS OF CSA AS BEING COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

My point was, should the victim / victims parents NOT discuss it with the Elders first ? I know that victims were 'given permission' to go to the police / authorities, but my point here is, whether the Elders should be informed before or after going for outside help, or should the Elders not be involved at all ?

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You said 'because I had no idea where I was going.' Then you said 'that we have to be at just the turning-point moment of dissatisfaction, even crisis.' But then you seem to criticise this Cult expert for saying "People are in vulnerable moments in their life where they’ll be more receptive to a recruitment message or recruiter" So, is the Cult Expert right ? Are most people that start studying with JWs, at a moment of dissatisfaction, in a vulnerable moment in their life ? Personally I think all people of working classes / lower classes are permanently in a vulnerable position. Even more so in some countries.