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There is a massive difference between GOD'S instructions, and the instructions from your GB. But JWs think both are the same.

Yes indeed Anna. But isn't it strange that as we are nearer to Armageddon and we need to be more united, the GB place more restrictions on the Anointed ones, and more restrictions on anyone asking the Anointed ones questions. Why would the GB do that ?

Once again a JW sidetracks and does not answer the questions. But no matter as i proved the point I was making. The GB and others ARE jealous of the True Anointed ones. Thinking, I know Almighty God has the power, and I know He will work through Jesus Christ, and i have previously said what i think God will do in this case. But please remember that John Butler was removed from this forum for saying just that.

I think it's safer to leave it there. Have a great day.

Are you saying you are 'cheap' ?

Um, sounds reasonable but JWs DO get baptised into the JW Org. NO mention of : Matthew 28 v 19. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, .." That is such a simple but direct instruction, BUT the JW org refuse to follow it.

@xero Hogwash as usual. And you never even tried to answer the questions, you just sidetracked as most JWs do.

If one dedicated their life to God then one should care for the body as well as the 'spirit'. But as JWs dedicate their lives to the JW Org I suppose they don't care.

I wonder if it's more anti-America than anti Christianity. The Watchtower / JW Org is seen as being an 'American' religion.

Why on Earth would the GB suddenly decide that ONLYTHEY are the Faithful and discreet Slave ? When the teaching was that ALL ANOINTED ONES were the Faithful and discreet Slave Why on Earth would the GB then say that the Anointed SHOULD NOT GATHER TOGETHER as it would be WORKING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT ? Why ? Well I think it shows jealousy or fear on the part of the GB and maybe others too.

Oh dear tom, twisting things again. The comparison is not with the Twelve. The comparison is with the Pharisees. And if you know your bible you will know what Jesus called the Pharisees. The Twelve were learning something new, a totally different way of life. They were not the teacher. The Pharisees were well established and were supposed to know and teach the way of God. The Watchtower / JW organisation are well established and should know and be teaching the way of God. There is a correct comparison. Witness is right about the hypocrisy. I think you totally miss the point, and i think many JWs twist things in this way, but the reason for leaving would more likely be, coming to understand that neither God or Christ are leading the Watchtower / JW org. I find it funny ( because I have the strength of faith in God through Christ ) that JWs have to lay the blame on those that LEAVE. The Twelve disciples and may others LEFT the Jewish 'way of life' to follow Christ and to serve God properly.

I think you just like playing games. I think it is an insult to God. But then a lot of what JWs do is an insult to God and Christ.

Oh dear, surely you don't still believe that God chooses the Elders.

How sad you are, having to twist even the scriptures to suit your purpose. Like I've said of you before, you sit on the fence, not knowing which way to turn. You say you are an Insider, giving information, but you are too frightened to stop serving your GB. And you, like all other JWs, seem jealous of the Anointed.

Yes I did all that stuff. Humility is good, but after a few years and also seeing poor sisters moaned at because their children were unsettled in the meetings, I could see that the Elders were 'lording it over the congregation'. I was refused baptism by two Elders in a previous congregation, a father and son that 'ran' that congregation. Then when they 'told' me I was ready, I actually wasn't, but i was humble and got baptised when they said. One Elder in that congregation later committed suicide, whilst his wife was at a meeting. He always seemed to be more friendly than the others and it was a big shock.

In the height of summer here in England, the Elders would moan at me for not wearing a jacket and tie to the meetings. So Who makes the jacket and tie rules ? For sure it's not in God's written word. No praise for actually being at the meeting with my wife and five children, just complaint about the way I was dressed. That's one small example of what I mean about Elders being policemen.

And this is what shows that they are NOT the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Once again, showing that all of those that have made predictions, are not of the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

Then you are a most unusual Elder indeed

Jesus said “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold;n those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. I find it funny how JWs always, only quote the tiny bit of a scripture, as it suits them. Anyway, I have 5 ebay parcels to pack, and as this conversation has no spiritual imput then i'll leave you to it. n I

If you wish to consider yourself in that way, so be it. But the Elders do have to act like policemen in the congregation. Now here in the UK. laws are made, and the police have to carry out those laws. So it is in the Watchtower / JW Org. The GB makes rules and the Elders have to enforce those rules.

Yes, but then JWs have always misused scripture.

Well I like to actually read what a person writes, then think on it, then reply. In this comment here I've no idea what you are saying. As for your previous comment, it is just JW waffle. You are an Elder, you know what goes on and you will also know what has gone on in the past. If you don't know, then you belong to an Organisation that you know nothing about. Add to that, that you are a 'police officer' with certain powers, in an Org that you know nothing about.

@xero you seem 'ruffled'. I for one am not of the Anointed. I fully believe that the scriptures were and are written for the True Anointed ones. But I continue to see that JWs, maybe especially the GB and others in charge, including Elders, show jealousy toward the Anointed ones. Go careful because you deliberately didn't continue this scripture for fear of it applying to you. Matt 25 41 - 46 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

You see, here you go again. Another attack. You know that what you say is not true, but you still have to say it don't you ? Maybe you have been here too long, that is your choice. I attack the things that Jesus attacked, so I do not 'sell out' Almighty God in the process. Yes but then you think the same of me, and constantly say so. Please show me where and how. And you can quote an example of this ? As far as it seems to me, he is an Atheist. So there is no way I'm going to agree with him about spiritual matters.

Well it seems as if JWs have no conscience about Child Sexual Abuse Earthwide within the Watchtower/JW Org. JWs just brush it off by saying, 'Well no one is perfect'. And it seems that JWs have no conscience about teaching lies to people on the door to door ministry. Actually i don't know what JWs do have a conscience about.