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    Dmitar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Where does the temple lay right now?
    It's in the organization of jw's.
    When Jesus comes back the man of lawlessness will be presently sitting in the temple, not sitting in the temple of anointed almost 2000 years ago. He sits in the temple of today, right at this moment. That is when Jesus exposes him and destroys him. It's at his coming. 
    "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    I agree with what you say that the Anointed are God's temple. The scriptures make that very clear to those that want to understand it. 
    But why do people believe that the JW Org holds every member of the anointed remnant ? 
    And what do you think will be the way out ? Will the JW Org be cleansed or will a new Association be formed ? 
    We certainly need a True Anointed remnant to lead us to truth through Christ, before the 'end comes'. 
    It might be nice to think we can do it on our own as individuals, but I really think we need to be part of an association. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    The man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God:
    “He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4
    The temple are the anointed:
    “Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16
    By suggesting the man of lawlessness sits in false religion, that would mean the true temple of the anointed body of Christ are all residing in false religion/Christendom. That would be a serious problem. The man of lawlessness sits in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses because the organization holds every single temple member right now.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Um, I think this might be what @Arauna calls 'lumping scriptures together'.
    And I think Mr Rambo is clutching at straws here. He's still stuck fast to 1914 and the 120 years = 2034. 
    This seems to have already happened to JWs in Russia and a few other places.  
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Like the Days of Noah...   
    All that you wrote is absolute truth!   I just feel the need to specify that any links I gave in association with https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/, belongs to Pearl Doxsey whom I work with, as well as Rachel who is responsible for the letter writing to Wt.'s leadership worldwide.
    ("two or three witnesses" 2 Cor 13:1.  There can be an application of dichotomy about this, which the Wt. uses blasphemously in judicial committees, and ignores when it comes to child/sexual abuse.  Even early on, God made exceptions in this case which the org. defiantly states that it doesn't apply; thus, they have transgressed God's decrees in Jesus Christ, to show mercy and love to one's neighbor and to the oppressed. Deut 22:25,26;  Matt 5:18; Gal 5:14; 1 John 5:9; James 1:27  
    Pearl and I are also admins. of a public facebook group that I've mentioned here also.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914. 
    Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
    For you men say:  “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
    Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
    But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
    The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
    “Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
    “its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
    As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
    In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
    The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read. 
    According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
    "Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
    "BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Of all the things that have been posted here, as comments or references…… How many was it necessary for the first century Christians to know ?
    15% ?
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Reading the biblical passages, commentaries, and teachings of WTJWorg, I come to further questions.
    WTJWorg claims that the anointed (remaining of the literal number 144,000) are in their Organization. The Bible claims that the anointed flee from Satan and seek salvation in the "wilderness", because God has found refuge there, for her.
    But on the other hand WTJWorg and JW claim and believe they are in a “spiritual paradise”. So then I ask; 1) How did the symbolic “desert” (place of salvation) become a literal “spiritual paradise” (place of salvation like Noah’s ark) !?
    2) Is WTJWorg a “desert” or a “paradise”? Because there is a “woman” there, that is, there are supposedly all the anointed ones.
    What is “desert” in biblical terminology? What does that word mean according to dictionaries? For example, the dictionary ( Merriam Webster) says this for that word:
    1a(1): a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings
    (2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community
    b: an empty or pathless area or region in remote wildernesses of space groups of nebulae are found— G. W. Gray †1960
    c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth
    2 obsolete : wild or uncultivated state
    3a: a confusing multitude or mass : an indefinitely great number or quantity, I would not have given it for a wilderness of monkeys— William Shakespeare
    b: a bewildering situation
    Definition of bewildering
    : extremely confusing or difficult to understand
    Explaining Rev. 12, WTJWorg says that a woman gave birth to a son, and that son is the Kingdom that was born in 1914, as JW's believes.
    3) But the Kingdom is/are also the anointed (and not just Jesus Christ as King) who continued to live in the “wilderness”. How is that possible? Where is the Kingdom? In the heaven? In the desert? In WTJWorg? In the hearts of believers?
    4) Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. - Rev 12:17 The Bible says that a "woman" gave birth to only one son, and that is the Kingdom, according to WTJWorg interpretation. Because "women" is/are all anointed. The "woman" did not give birth to anointed ones. They (anointed) are the Kingdom, they are Anointed who gave birth to son aka Kingdom.  Who else did the "woman" give birth to and how? 
     
    THE BIBLE SAYS:
    What is God’s Kingdom?
    It is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/gods-kingdom-what-is-it/
    According to the WTJWorg interpretation, Kingdom was established in 1914 and Christ began to rule as King in 1914. However, this is questionable because He cannot rule alone. He needs (literal number in JW religion) 144,000 kings and priests. Since the JW's believe that thousands of anointed are still on Earth, this means that the Kingdom could not have been born in 1914, nor could it have begun to rule in 1914. The Kingdom does not have a complete Administration to be a legal and legitimate authority. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    As I do not believe that name to be God's true name, then it has no relevance to me. 
    Even you chop and change between Jehovah and Yehovah, so it seems you yourself are not sure. 
    But :-  Matthew 7 : 21 - 23
    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
    Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
    So it seems from this scripture that the 'prophesying' and 'works' are not what count in God's or Christ's viewpoint.  The Watchtower / JW Org is unclean and unloving. 
    I remember hearing a story about a sister that was immoral, committing adultery, but she thought that spending more time in the ministry would 'make up for it'.  That's how I see the JW Org, covering over their sins by pretending to serve God.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    But didn't the harvest start whilst Jesus was on Earth. 
    Matthew 9 : 37 - 38
    Berean Study Bible
    Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.
    Berean Study Bible
    Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into His harvest.”
    Could there be two harvests ? One for the Anointed, and one for the 'little dogs' / earthly class. 
    Jesus said, recorded at John 10 : 16
    Berean Study Bible
    I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Did Jesus ask 'us' to pray for it, or did Jesus ask his Apostles (and maybe the rest of the Anointed) to pray for it ? 
    Jesus told His disciples/apostles that ALL authority HAD been given to Him after His resurrection. That was before He returned to heaven.
    Matthew 28 : 18 & 19
    Berean Study Bible
    Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
    Berean Study Bible
    Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
    Don't JWs believe these things ? 
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Space Merchant in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    @TrueTomHarley Unfortunately he didn't get the gif was connected to the quotation about taking in context.
    @Anna Then there is the time period itself that is in connection with Jesus' Kingship and the Kingdom to come itself, outside of the notion of the chosen Firstfruits/Anointed Ones. For in the theology of the JW faith it is noted that in Daniel chapter 4, it was prophesied that a period of 2,520 years, from 607 BC, The Siege/Fall of Jerusalem up to until 1914, which in turn, equates to the Gentile Times. On the other side of the spectrum, you have the 587 camp vs the 607 camp in this regard.
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    Dmitar reacted to Anna in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Doesn't make sense to me either, this is why I began wondering about how these various scriptures regarding Jesus' kingship could be explained as a whole. I got to thinking about the main purpose of God's kingdom, (as opposed to the other administrations) the one Jesus asked us to pray for, the one that would be the tool to reconcile all things to God, the one that was indirectly referred to in the garden of Eden (when Jehovah said Satan would be bruised in the head) as the solution for putting right what Adam made wrong.
    There is no denying that the scriptures say that all things were subjected to Jesus as King when he returned to heaven. But for Jesus to ask his followers to pray for this particular kingdom, God's Kingdom, I think that would make no sense if it already existed since 33CE. True, we were asked to pray for his will to be done on earth as in heaven, so the kingdom could be said to have already been existing, just not exercising dominion over the earth yet, but to me it seems to fit better that it came into existence at the harvest time, since that was one of the purposes of God's Kingdom....to gather the things on the earth. Of course it fits our JW history very well, with the "flashes of truth" "rattling of the bones" etc. (And dare I say it, with WW1....1914)
    Revelation also talks about the birth of the Kingdom (God's Kingdom). Something that occurred at a point in history, with Jesus becoming king of that kingdom. I don't see that Revelation has to necessarily be talking about it happening in the 1st century....
    Yes I have heard that too. So there is another type of kingdom....
    Lol. 
    I am not sure if @JW Insideraddressed it, if not, I hope he does! 
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    This seems to prove exactly what I was saying, that Jesus WAS King whilst HE was on Earth.  
    You seem to be saying that Jesus could say those things because He would be King in the future. 
    We must therefore agree to differ on this matter.
    As for reading the scripture in context, of course I did. And I fully understand whom He was talking to and why.  Maybe next time I should quote a whole chapter should I ? 
    I took the meme at the bottom of your comment as a personal insult so I will not bother to converse with you again. I thought you were above such things.  You choosing to insult me with the actions of a 'man of colour' because you are such, is leaning toward racism in my opinion. 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Churches Are Being Burned Down In Canada   
    https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/02/churches-are-being-burned-down-in-canada/#:~:text= St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri,on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
    Not JW related, but related to abuse and death of many children it would seem.  Hopefully all of those children will rise again in the Resurrection once this Earth has been made clean. 
     
    In the last nine days there has been a total of eight churches that have been burned down in Canada. All eight of the churches were settled on the First Nation’s reserve in Western Canada and authorities have declared that the fires were caused by “suspicious activity”. St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri Tekakwitha Church were the latest churches to be burned down and were completely destroyed due to the fact the churches were made of wood.
    The fires come after unmarked graves have been discovered on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Vice TV’s ‘Vice Versa’ doc on Jehovah’s Witnesses set to premiere this month   
    https://realscreen.com/2021/07/16/vice-tvs-vice-versa-doc-on-jehovahs-witnesses-set-to-premiere-this-month/
    Cable network Vice TV announced a new documentary special on Jehovah’s Witnesses that’s set to air later this month on July 28.
    Vice Versa: Crusaders examines the global religious organization, its carefully curated message of faith and its nearly unblemished public veneer, and investigates alleged corruption within the organization and its work to shame, silence and ostracize others.
    Kaufman is himself a former third-generation Jehovah’s Witness who faced shunning from his family after starting a four-year investigation into the religion’s handling of allegations of child sexual abuse within its congregations.
    “After witnessing firsthand the cycle of abuse that runs deep within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, I could not rest until the dark truth of this organization was brought to light,” Kaufman said in a Vice news release. “Vice Versa: Crusaders exposes those who use their immense power and influence to maintain control in the name of God.”
    The documentary includes revealing interviews with whistleblowers, former members and one current witness, as well as access to leaked documents.
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    This cursor jumping has happened to me many times over the last few years as well as all sorts of strange computer difficulties.  I figure it is demonic intervention, since Satan would rather squelch any truth about his enemy, Jesus Christ.  
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Thank you for your time and patience, and for your opinion.
    The points of, when Jesus became King and about, when the Kingdom first started, are important to me. And the point about 1914, in my opinion, should be important to everyone that is searching for truth.  
    But please compare that with the JW viewpoint about the Cross or the Stake. 
    Also compare it with certain people on this forum that 'brag' about JWs 'knowledge' concerning, the trinity, immortality of the soul, hell fire   etc...  The Watchtower / Org enjoys making known such things, but maybe not so happy when their own teachings are questioned. 
    Whilst I do admit that the Watchtower / Org has made things clearer to those that may have believed in the mainstream church teachings, have the same W/t / Org replaced untruth with, untruth ? 
    As the Watchtower / GB / Org keep pushing 1914 as one of their 'Core beliefs' or main doctrines, then it is obviously a foundation stone on which the JW Org is standing. If this foundation stone were to crumble, would the JW Org fall ?
    I have personally got to the point where I care not if the W/t / JW Org stands or falls, because it is not important. What is important is TRUTH.  ALL people on earth right now deserve to be taught truth. Truth about God and Christ, and about 'the things which are about to take place'. 
    That truth has to be based on a firm truthful foundation.  
    Once again thank you for your input. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Then Pilate said to him, “So then you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I have come into the world: in order that I can testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”   John 18:38
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    Dmitar reacted to JW Insider in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    As soon as I saw this on the 21st, I wrote a response that disappeared just as I was about to "Submit Reply." I figured that it was probably a bad sign that my computer touchpad was jumping the cursor all over the place, but it was probably a good sign that I shouldn't keep writing 3 page responses to a simple question. So I didn't try to rewrite it, and went on to other things.
    To my surprise, I came back here today and see that @Witness gave nearly the exact response that I had written. I even gave that response of hers an upvote, and I even agree with much that is in the second response she gave right after it.
    (Luke 3:21, 22) . . .Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up, 22 and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” (Luke 4:1) . . .Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness (Luke 4:17, 18) . . .So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor.. . . Then I had added a few additional verses, starting with:
    (Acts 10:37, 38) . . .starting from Galʹi·lee after the baptism that John preached: 38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing . . .
    (Hebrews 1:5-9) . . .For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? . . . 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
    Along with this, to help explain the context in Hebrews, I had added that the expression "You are my son, today I have become your father," was a formulaic expression for the anointing of kings like David and Solomon. This is clearly how Hebrews 1 is using it with the idea of the throne and scepter and the obeisance and "his Kingdom" -- "that is why . . . God anointed" him. 
    @Witness had gone directly to Psalm 45:7 which Hebrews quotes from and then used some of the same additional scriptures about the anointing of kings.
    @Witness went a little further on this point and added the priests to the equation and therefore tied in later scriptures in Hebrews (and Revelation, etc.) about how the kingdom is also a priesthood, which I had not thought to mention. But Hebrews happens to tie the priestly appointing (anointing) as part of the same event when Jehovah said at Jesus' baptism: "You are my son, today..."
    (Hebrews 5:1-6) . . .For every high priest taken from among men is appointed in their behalf over the things relating to God, so that he may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. . . . . 4 A man does not take this honor of his own accord, but he receives it only when he is called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” 6 As he also says in another place, “You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.”
    Also, you will notice that the article @Anna posted from the Aid book contains several of the same points that Witness made.
    The one point I take some exception too, @Patiently waiting for Truth, is that you have made more of the specific timing as if it is the most important thing to get out of this. And you may have "summoned" my take on this because you know that I will agree that it indicates the Kingdom did not start in 1914. I agree that it doesn't. But this doesn't mean we need to focus on exactly when Jesus was appointed as King or Priest, or when the Kingdom started, or when he was "King-Designate." Recall that David was anointed (by Samuel) before he became King, and that he was hailed as King by his early followers before he was officially made King after Saul's death.
    Specific timing of appointments and titles is not the importance of scripture to us today. It's the "fact" of Jesus' appointment to the "offices" of king and priest and mediator and his own sacrifice as a ransom payment for sin. Is it wrong to say Jesus was born king? Or what about the prophet Simeon?
    (Matthew 2:2) . . .“Where is the one born king of the Jews? . . .
    (Luke 2:25-32) . . .And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. 26 Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, 28 he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: 29 “Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, 30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation 31 that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, 32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”
    I'll fall back on the argument that even if Jesus wasn't yet officially "anointed" ("Christ") at birth, he was designated ("appointed") to this purpose and this meant it was as good as accomplished for those who have faith in the fulfillment of Jehovah's purpose.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Can’t Identify Defendant in ‘Dubtown’ Copyright Suit, Court Declines to Help.... LEGO JWs   
    https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-cant-identify-defendant-in-dubtown-copyright-suit-court-declines-to-help-210723/
    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society has run into problems in its copyright lawsuit against the pseudonymous creator of the animation series 'Dubtown'. The videos, which portray a fictional Jehovah's Witness town depicted in Lego, are created by 'Kevin McFree', but Watch Tower doesn't know who he is or where he lives, and nobody wants to help, including the court.
    Lego JWs ? 
    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, wants to put an end to the activities of a defendant known only as ‘Kevin McFree’.  ‘McFree’ (which is presumably not his real name) is the creator of the ‘Dubtown’ series of stop-motion Lego animations that take place in a fictitious Jehovah’s Witness town.
    Who is McFree? Watch Tower Has No Idea
    In a request for conference filed with the Court, Watch Tower says McFree “obtained purloined copies” of then-published videos and placed clips of those works in his video posted to YouTube. This amounts to copyright infringement and warrants a permanent injunction, Watch Tower says, but the road to that currently remains uncertain.  According to Watch Tower, it cannot ascertain the real identity of McFree. “The true identity and physical address of Defendant are not presently known to Plaintiff. The Infringing Video and YouTube account associated therewith identify Defendant only by the pseudonym ‘Kevin McFree’ and do not provide any physical address,” Watch Tower writes.  According to the religious group, it has made numerous attempts to discover McFree’s personal details. Referencing the 2018 DMCA subpoena application to YouTube/Google that requested access to McFree’s real name, address, telephone number and other personal information, Watch Tower notes that the process didn’t lead anywhere useful.
    Sorry, I think this is so funny because my wife makes stop motion videos of Pippa dolls and uploads them to Youtube. 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Correction, this should be 1 Cor 2:6-10
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Joel 3:14 - Multitudes, multitudes
        in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near
        in the valley of decision.
    We know that God isn't talking about a literal valley called "decision" in the last days.  We must "decide" within our heart what to choose - truth or lies -  life in Christ, or death in the darkness of Satan's "world".  
    "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live"  Deut 3:19
     
    One war, we will physically see.  That one is Satan’s diversion from the spiritual war at hand – the vital war to note. Although war began when Adam and Eve chose to listen to the lie, (Gen 3:15) the symbolic book of Revelation (Rev 1:1) explains what the culmination of this war is.  It is the war against those “kings” in Christ, and those who have left him to serve the father of the LIE. (John 8:44)  They have broken their covenant with God by tolerating falsehoods spoken from the mouths of false prophets and a powerful organization that rules over them. (Isa 28:15; Hos 8:1; 4:6)  (Matt 24:24, 15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3)  They are spiritual harlots.  (Hos 4:12;6:10; Rev 17:3-8)
    This is hostility between covenants and their “seed”, one of life in Jesus Christ and one of death under the Destroyer. (Gen 3:15; Rev 12:17) Armageddon involves the “kings of the earth” – which means those who will be found faithful, and those who have transgressed their covenant in Christ.  That’s what’s important to notice!  It doesn’t involve the political kings of the world.
    Rev 1:5 explains that the kings of the earth are Christ’s kings.  (Rev 5:9,10)                                                  Rev 6:15; 16:14; 17:2; 17:18; 18:3; 18:9; 19:19; 21:24 then continues to describe the war involving his faithful kings and the unfaithful kings - https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=kings+of+the+earth&begin=73&end=73
    These scriptures give the essence of the end battle of Armageddon:
    Rev 16:13-16 – “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
    16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.”
    You’ve always said, the Bible was written for the anointed.  Well, that includes the battle of Armageddon, but I say it is written about the anointed, and those with them who must heed the meaning of Revelation in the last days. (Rev 18:4-8)
    What comes out of the mouth of false prophets, but lies?  The two Beasts of Revelation work together; the false prophet directs the Beast from the Sea, that rises up from the wicked. (Isa 17:12-14; 57:20,21) Under the direction of governing leaders, this Beast “makes war with the saints.”  (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,11,12,15)
    The war includes JWs with them, those of the “whole world”.  It is based on one’s decision to listen to truth, or to listen to lies coming from the mouths of these “kings”.   
     Yes, knowing that Satan has a short period of time left, (Rev 12:12) he will devise a military diversion tactic from the most important war at hand – the spiritual war. (1 Pet 5:8; 2 Cor 10:4; Eph 6:11; 1 John 4:4) We see what the governing leadership has always concentrated on – the world’s politics, military conflict and a literal “king of the north”. They put the blame continually on Christendom’s sins.  That takes the heat off of what “trampling” is happening to God’s saints in the organization. (Dan 11:31-45)  This lying tactic has been very successful.  God’s holy people are under a “spell” – but it is their choice, their decision to remain with it. (1 Tim 4:1) Only by God reading our hearts and bestowing His grace to see us safely out, can one survive.  (Isa 42:16; Rev 16:12; Rom 8:19)
     Our hearts are sealed by our decision to search for justice and truth, or to love the lie.  (2 Thess 2:9-12)  Only a remnant of the anointed will be found to escape this trap – only a remnant of JWs who leaves Satan’s darkness, turn to Christ.  That has always been the case with God’s people when they have transgressed His decrees.  (Rom 9:27-29; Rev 11:1-3,7-10)
     You’ve entered the “valley of decision” and have decided to reject lies.  You have cut yourself off from false teachers and are looking for truth to be spoken through faithful anointed.  You have “come out of her” (Rev 18:4) where spiritual harlots sit on “many waters”, which are poisoned teachings and those who drink them up. (Rev 8;10,11; 17:15) Their defense is to call the faithful, the apostates. D. Splane’s latest talk to be available on the website this coming week, is about apostate “teachers” with “poisoned teachings”.  The GB, who obviously endorse lies, are fighting back with the faithful anointed ones very words used against them. 
    Can you see how this is war against “kings” and what comes out of their mouths?
    God is not the destroyer.  He can pass the decree that destruction is to take place, and He can also limit destruction as we see in the example of Job.  We also see that it was Satan who came against Job; and it will be Satan in his rage, who destroys the “earth”, until God says enough is enough. (Dan 7:26-28)   Satan is raging against the anointed in Christ, NOW.  I can’t even describe the extent, the destruction that Satan has caused in my physical life since leaving the organization.  Presently, I am evacuated from my home because of fires that are being held up as lack of diligence on the forest service’s part. They will face litigation.  But the house still stands despite all incredible odds.  God knows just how much we can tolerate, as in Job’s case. 
    The primary war at hand is Satan’s lust to destroy the “woman’s seed”; both those faithful and those in his trap such as you were in, where he has “surrounded” them.  Rev 20:7-9  A literal war in Satan’s world could last for years and years and never give “birth” to Kingdom. (Job 14:4) What does bring the Kingdom, is the fulfillment of the New Covenant promise in the faithful, cleansed, anointed remnant and the completion of the Temple of God in Christ.  (Zech 4:6,7; Mal 3:1-5)  
     Do JWs realize this?  No, they believe their organization will survive a physical onslaught and be present in the Kingdom of God, its buildings included.  Their view is totally physical. Notice in 1 Cor 6:6-10 who the "rulers" were that could not perceive the spiritual wisdom of God, and who killed Jesus Christ.  Today's "rulers" "kill"/disfellowship the faithful anointed in Christ - men who have no spiritual wisdom.  
    JWs believe they are “safe” without even noticing the trampling of God’s priesthood under the covenant “woman” which is being attacked. (1 Thess 5:3; Rev 12:1-5)
     God removes His spiritual protection from those who refuse to turn back to Him, and Satan is allowed to  step in.  This is how the nation of Israel suffered when sinning and committing idolatry. 
    We also have evidence of who did the destroying, brought the plagues, and killed the firstborn in Egypt.  
    “He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.”  Ps 78:49
    “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer (meaning “grant”) the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.”  Exod 12:23
     
    The Kingdom will not arrive until the “harvest” of the sons of God is complete – the harvest of those in Christ who are faithful, and the harvest of the weeds that face condemnation by God’s Word. (Matt 13:24-39) Any person who has lived, and anyone on the earth right now, both the good and the bad, will be judged by the Father in righteousness.  That, we leave up to God. 
    What’s important for JWs, is their decision to either continue to listen to the lies that their leaders tell them, or to search out truth that Christ is providing – outside of the apostate city. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15) That truth, is the understanding of Revelation – the “wedding banquet of the Lamb”.  (Matt 22:1-14; 25:1-13)    We know that the temple in the anointed has been “given over to the Gentiles”/elders.  Yet, the GB somehow say the “temple” of 2 Thess 2:3,4 being trampled, is some sort of literal holy place…where, the UN and Christendom is involved?  It specifically states in 2 Thess 2:3,4, that it is God’s temple being dominated/trampled.   On the other hand, they tell every JW that they ARE NOW the spiritual temple.   This is confusion from conniving false teachers, that I believe are preparing to produce “new light” about 2 Thess 2:3,4.  If all JWs are taught now as God’s Temple, how easily they can then point to a physical nation coming against JWs, as the “man of lawlessness”.    Blasphemy.   
    As far as the earth being ruined?  It can be applied in a few ways: The first “earth” being ruined is God’s land/His dwelling in the hearts of the anointed, by the man of lawlessness who has trampled down His dwelling place/temple in the anointed.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3  Revelation speaks of the great locust scorpion army/elder body that afflicts God’s unsealed anointed.  Notice what it says,
    “They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.”  These elements of the earth can refer to people, to JWs.  Every person in the organization who stands against the elder army are afflicted.  (Rev 9:1-6)
    Yet any destruction of the literal earth by the destroyer, will be restored to life.  What is the primary destruction that Christ will cause?  He will destroy death.  (1 Cor 15:26; Rev 20:10,14,15).  When Christ returns, the man of lawlessness is destroyed by the “breath of his mouth”, the Word of God, which is like “fire”.  ( 2 Thess 2:8; Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10,14,15)
    God’s Word is the judge.  He can surrender us to perish under the covenant of death; or we are protected under the covenant of “life” in Jesus Christ, even if we lose our physical life. (John 1:4; 10:10; 6:58)
    “Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed! Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed! When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed; when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed.”  Isa 33:1
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/10/when-is-satans-short-period-of-time.html
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Thank you, but I have little or no trust in the Aid book 
    So that would say, that as I've said, Jesus was King from his baptism onward and the Kingdom was in existence here on Earth at that time. But neither I nor the Watchtower / Aid book writers are inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
    But we come back to the point, that if,  it appointed and commissioned him as Jehovah’s promised King, then and there at His baptism, then why do the Watchtower / GB / Org say he was made King in 1914 ? 
    From that same item you quoted / linked :-
    "Following his resurrection, Jesus informed his disciples, “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth,” thereby showing that he heads a government of universal domain. (Matt. 28:18) The apostle Paul made clear that Jesus’ Father has “left nothing that is not subject to him [Jesus],” with the evident exception of “the one who subjected all things to him,” that is, Jehovah, the Sovereign God. "
    But, Jesus spoke those words whilst still human and here on earth. So it seems that whomever wrote this Watchtower Aid book section would have known that Jesus was King whilst Jesus was alive here on earth. 
    So please tell me about 1914 ? What am I not understanding ? 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    I do not agree with this. (highlighted for the benefit of others) My reasoning is that the scriptures say that God / Christ will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. And there has to be a complete Judgement of ALL people living on the earth so that the earth can be cleansed. This has to be done all at one time. 
    If Armageddon was 'within' as you say then the 'world' would continue to be ruled over by the Devil and suffering would continue forever. 
     
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