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    JW Canada: Judge authorizes class action for Jehovah's Witnesses sex abuse victims

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    3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    very vague though. 'children outside the UK'

    To the uninformed perhaps. A little thought should suffice:

    1. Institutions based in England and Wales including the Armed Forces, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, the British Council and private companies and charitable organisations recruit people to work abroad. If persons unsuitable to woirk with children are recruited and employed to work abroad, then 'children outside the UK' are being put at risk. High profile cases have littered the press of late.

    2. How effective in its nature and application is the current legal framework for the monitoring of overseas travel of individuals known to the UK authorities as posing a risk to children?

    3. What is the extent of institutional failings of organisations based in England and Wales relating to the sexual abuse of children involved in child migration programmes? 

    For starters.

    "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"

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    9 hours ago, Witness said:

    JWs cannot hear the voice of Christ over the haughty voices of men who have exalted themselves well above all anointed

    The problem here is that it is not possible to hear the voice of Christ coming through the cacophonous rantings in your postings. All the anti-GB propoganda comes across loud and clear, so well done there, but that appears to be it. There isn't actually any spiritual content,.other than the interspersed scriptures that is, but otherwise, it isn't even spiritual "junk food". 

    JW Canada: Judge authorizes class action for Jehovah's Witnesses sex abuse victims

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    8 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

    And isn't the IICSA going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's ?  Why would they bother if they didn't think there were things being hidden ? 

    If they are, they have "hidden" their intention up to now. They are investigating:

    • Cambridge House, Knowl View and Rochdale
    • Children in Custodial Institutions
    • Children Outside the UK
    • Child Sexual Exploitation by Organised Networks
    • Institutional Responses to Allegations Concerning Lord Janner
    • Lambeth Council
    • Nottinghamshire Councils
    • Residential Schools
    • The Anglican Church
    • The Internet
    • The Roman Catholic Church
    • Westminster

    Where did you pick up that information? Where did they say they are going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's? The only mention of Jehohavah's Witnesses so far has been by Rod Jones, social worker for  Nottingham, who said he had to deal with cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses children and blood transfusions although there are no specific details.

     

    "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"

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    19 hours ago, Witness said:

    Christ's voice and those who preached "the way", was "strange" also. 

    Now now, at John 10:5 Jesus wasn't talking about his voice being "strange". He was talking about those such as yourself who concoct all sorts of strange notions with scriptures thrown in for good measure. Your interpretations voice very strangely alongside the words of the "Fine Shepherd". But not to fear, his sheep listen to his voice, and because they know his voice, they follow him, certainly not you.

    5 hours ago, Witness said:

    I am far from being alone

    Indeed, "because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; Matt 7:13.

     

    "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"

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    47 minutes ago, Witness said:

    You and all JWs have been hoodwinked.

    Well you are having a good go at ithe hoodwinking, but actually you aren't having much success. Just lengthy diatribes of multicoloured text. There are some scriptures there, the only relevant sections actually, but what lies in between is just a set of bitter sounding words without meaning or substance.

    Jesus said "his sheep will by no means follow a stranger but will flee from him because they do not know the voice of strangers" John 10:5. I'm sorry to say, yours is a very strange voice.

    Is the Trinity a pagan concept?

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    On 6/27/2018 at 12:00 AM, Jesus.defender said:

    Any early church council disputes were over fine points of Trinity clarification, such as the substance, nature and omnipotence of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, never over whether the Trinity was right or wrong. The truth of the Trinity was always accepted.

    Arianism – Arius (AD c. 250 or 256–336) believed that the pre-existent Son of God was directly created by the Father, and that he was subordinate to God the Father. Arius' position was that the Son was brought forth as the very first of God's creations, and that the Father later created all things through the Son. Arius taught that in the creation of the universe, the Father was the ultimate creator, supplying all the materials and directing the design, while the Son worked the materials, making all things at the bidding and in the service of the Father, by which "through [Christ] all things came into existence". Arianism became the dominant view in some regions in the time of the Roman Empire, notably the Visigoths until 589.[10] The third Council of Sirmium in 357 was the high point of Arianism. The Seventh Arian Confession (Second Sirmium Confession) held that both homoousios (of one substance) and homoiousios (of similar substance) were unbiblical and that the Father is greater than the Son (this confession was later known as the Blasphemy of Sirmium): "But since many persons are disturbed by questions concerning what is called in Latin substantia, but in Greek ousia, that is, to make it understood more exactly, as to 'coessential,' or what is called, 'like-in-essence,' there ought to be no mention of any of these at all, nor exposition of them in the Church, for this reason and for this consideration, that in divine Scripture nothing is written about them, and that they are above men's knowledge and above men's understanding";[11]

    10. http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac61

    11. https://www.fourthcentury.com/second-creed-of-sirmium-or-the-blasphemy-of-sirmium/

    Why does the whole body of elders in a congregation not serve on a judicial committee?

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    19 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    what did the 10,000 or so anointed, baptized, dedicated Christians do for the previous three years?

    Get together and play soccer?

    ... or just wander around, occasionally bumping into each other?

    Your guess is a s good as mine.

    Your reference to soccer, likely ironic, is interesting. Harpastum ikely raised some curiosity among Jews but in view of their general attitude toward Gentiles was likely limited.

    As for the 10,000 who became members of the congregation after Pentecost 33CE, well yes, they likely all had interesting experiences on their various paths to becoming Jehovah's Witnesses, but alas, not for our ears mostly. I  would not have thought their experience prior to Pentecost in general so much different to that any one finding the truth today They must have had an intial contact and then, commensurate with circumstance and level of interest, a variety of contacts. Some may have had their interest sparked by miracles, or just by a chance encounter with Jesus at one of the festivals.

    They had an advantage in that they had access to a religious system that still had Jehovah's approval when it was practised. There wasn't the confusion over which was Jehovah's channel as there is today. And of course they had varying degrees of access to the scriptures (note the Ethiopian eunuch). There are enough named individuals and detail regarding them in the Gospels and Acts to piece together a picture of sorts of what some of the 10,000 or so were doing prior to their becoming anointed Christians. Of course, the fact that only 120 were present as instructed for the founding of the congregation is a useful indicator immediately of the circumstances of the time. ☺️

    Why does the whole body of elders in a congregation not serve on a judicial committee?

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    3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    Your nebulous, foggy statement ......  by itself.....  is totally meaningless.

    Bit like this drivel do you mean? :

    3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    the common sense test

    3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    how it was that the Christian Congregation developed during the time of Jesus' three year ministry.

    It didn't come into existence until 33CE Pentecost.

    Why does the whole body of elders in a congregation not serve on a judicial committee?

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    Thanks for clarifying your view. @James Thomas Rook Jr. 

    I like the idea of transparency in the judicial process.

    This enabled a pretty fair assessment of its achievements by the Judge of all the earth himself: "The whole head is sick, and the whole heart is diseased. From the sole of the foot to the head, nothing is healthy.There are wounds and bruises and open sores—they have not been treated or bound up or softened with oil." Is.61:5-6

    And later, in his time, Jesus observed of the legal authorities in his day "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!" Matt.23:23. Their crowning achievement was the mock trial and execution of Jesus Christ himself.

    The Christian Congregation (which did not exist until after the death of its founder as a man), left much to be desired on occasion, "But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who oppress you and drag you before law courts?7 Do they not blaspheme the fine name by which you were called?" James 2:6-7.

    Jesus own assessment of the condition of the congregation at Revelation 2-3 show a rather patchy performance, even at that early stage of deviation. Subsequent to the death of John and the development of apostasy, we can only surmise on the actual practice of "justice" amongst Christian groups up to 270CE. I cannot see any reason why it would differ from what we currently see, a prevalence of injustice, although conscientous and enlightened individuals might appear from time to time, with some influence, although limited overall success. 

    Jehovah's word through Isaiah quoted above still provides a pretty fair comparison. 

    There will be no justice in the earth until the real fulfillment of Psalm 72:11-14 "All the kings will bow down before him, and all the nations will serve him.  For he will rescue the poor who cry for help,Also the lowly one and whoever has no helper. He will have pity on the lowly and the poor, and the lives of the poor he will save.  From oppression and from violence he will rescue them,And their blood will be precious in his eyes."

    Meantime, we have the best possible option given the circumstances. Spiritually qualified men judge appropriate spiritual matters using the rule of Scripture, under the steadying direction of the Head of the congregation. The administration of criminal justice remains firmly in the hand of the secular authorities.

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