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15:24 Their explanation begins to advocate Omelchenko. In response to the Court's request not to repeat the explanation of his colleagues, Omelchenko loudly and clearly declared its intention to focus on the violation of international law. 15:25 Omelchenko observes that there is a violation of the right to a fair trial guaranteed by Article. 6 of the European Convention. 15:29 Omelchenko argues convincingly that the court also admitted violating the ban is politically motivated prosecutions arising from Art. 18 of the Convention, taken in conjunction with Art. Art. 9 and 6 of the Convention. The European Court of Human Rights in its judgment in the case, "Merabishvili against Georgia" indicates the most obvious signs of political repression: when the public authorities clearly resist repeated the applicant's appeals, the public and even some senior government officials about the objective and thorough investigation, it can be argued that the applicable the applicant measures are not a means to a legitimate response to his behavior, but a means of political persecution. That is what is happening to Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia.

15:10 Novakov drew attention to paragraph 34 of Resolution number 16 of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation on June 15, 2010. Plenum explained that "new facts" (that is, the facts revealed during the 12 months following the issuance of the warning) may not be recognized as the violations that were revealed after the warning, but allowed in the materials distributed earlier this warning. Novakov notes that the Court of First Instance did not give any assessment to the fact that, although these warnings and made after March 2, 2016, but announced in connection with the events "took place" prior to issuance of the warning of the Russian Federation Prosecutor General's office in Voronezh, in Snezhnogorsk, Stavropol.

BY JASON LE MIERE ON 7/13/17 AT 2:54 PM Russians overwhelmingly support a ban on Jehovah’s Witnesses operating in the country, despite half admitting that they know nothing about the case against them, according to a poll on Thursday. Russia’s Supreme Court ruled in April that the Christian denomination violated the country’s anti-extremism law, liquidating all 395 of its local religious chapters. An appeal of the verdict will be heard next week but most Russians, it appears, have already made up their mind. Fifty-one percent of respondents to a survey from Russia’s leading independent polling agency, the Levada Center, said that they “definitely” approved of the banning of Jehovah’s Witnesses activities. A further 28 percent said they were at least somewhat supportive. Meanwhile, just three percent said they were definitely opposed to the decision, which was initially made by Russia’s justice ministry in March. At the same time, of the 1,600 people surveyed between June 23 and June 26, just 13 percent said they knew about the case against the Jehovah’s Witnesses in detail. A further 34 percent they had heard something about it, but 50 percent replied that they didn't know anything. In a separate question of whether people knew who the Jehovah’s Witnesses were, 20 percent said that they heard nothing about them, with another 10 percent undecided. Forty-nine percent responded by stating that the group was a Christian sect. Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for their refusal of blood transfusions, something which the justice ministry used as evidence of extremism in the Supreme Court case. The United States-based group, which has operated in Russia since 1991 and has some 175,000 members, has claimed that it was denied the chance to mount any sort of defense and barred from having any dialogue with the authorities about their accusations. The decision was an attack on religious freedom and it has been widely condemned, including by the United States and the European Union, said the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In its annual report in April, The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) placed Russia in its highest tier of violators of religious freedom for the first time. “Through a cynical use of an extremely flawed set of anti-extremism laws, Russia has banned for the first time in its history a centrally administered religion,” the chair of the independent bipartisan commission, Thomas Reese, said following the release of the report. But the ban has been supported by the Russian Orthodox Church, which has become increasingly popular and influential under President Vladimir Putin. Seventy-two percent of the Russian population were identified as belonging to the Orthodox Church in 2008, more than double the percentage from 1991. http://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-ban-russia-religion-636242

State policy blamed for negative attitudes toward Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia MAJORITY OF RUSSIANS SUPPORT BAN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES by Vladimir Dergachev, Anna Kovalenko RBK, 13 July 2017 Of Russians who have heard about the Ministry of Justice's ban of the Jehovah's Witnesses, 79% support this decision, a survey by the Levada Center shows. Experts consider that the negative attitude toward the Witnesses is connected with state policy in the area of religion. They do not like and do not know Of those who had heard about the ban of the activity of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, 51% "definitely" support this decision and another 28% "likely" support it. At the same time, 9% "likely" do not support it and 3% "definitely" do not support the ban of the Witnesses, sociologists of the Levada Center discovered in a survey conducted from 23 to 26 June. In all, almost half of respondents had heard about the ban while 13% "know about it in detail," and 34% had "heard something." Sociologists of the Levada Center asked the respondents to answer who the Jehovah's Witnesses are. Two percent chose "variant of ordinary Christians," while 5% chose "offshoot of protestantism," 15 % chose "a separate religious confession." The most popular answer (49% of respondents think so) was "a Christian sect." The survey was conducted from 23 to 26 June 2017 on a representative Russia-wide sample of urban and rural populations among 1,600 persons aged 18 and above in 137 population centers of 48 regions of the country. The investigation was conducted at respondents' homes by means of a personal interview. The distribution of answers is given as percentages of the total number of those questioned. State policy The harshly negative attitude toward the sect of Witnesses is 80% attributable to news media and state propaganda and 20% to stereotypical thinking of citizens, Boris Malyshev, senior scientific associate of the Academic Scientific Center for the Study of Religion of the Russian State Humanities University, maintained in an interview with RBK. He said that a broad audience has a vague perception of religions since state propaganda recognizes only Orthodoxy and Islam, and all "the rest are considered an annoying misunderstanding." Malyshev himself classifies Witnesses as a para-Christian movement similar to Mormons and he calls the movement "a purely American phenomenon." In his opinion, movements of this kind have elements of authoritarianism and sectarian isolation, but this depends to a substantial degree on the personality of the leader. In the 1990s there was a surge of interest in Russia toward various kinds of sects, and about ten years later there began a planned struggle with them, noted Aleksei Levinson, the director of the department of socio-cultural analysis of the Levada Center. He said that the state broadcasts the idea that there should be no religious minorities and the negative attitude toward Witnesses is intensified by reports about their links with "subversive foreign forces." Traditional confessions form the worldview of a person but they do not cut him off from the social and biological life, and they translate values that are accepted in the greater part of society, according to the executive director of the Moscow Lomonosov Center for Education of Schoolchildren, Konstantin Gusov. But sects, in contrast with traditional denominations, cut a person off from society, he believes. The telephones of the press service and members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia were not answered and the St. Petersburg division of the organization was not available for comment. Ban the Witnesses The Ministry of Justice filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court on 17 March to ban the Witnesses. The ministry explained this by a February inspection which revealed that the parent organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia was violating "charter goals and purposes" and also Russian anti-extremism legislation. On 23 March, the Ministry of Justice entered the organization into the list of associations whose work was suspended for "extremist activity." On 20 April, the Supreme Court ruled the work of the centralized religious organization "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" to be extremist and prohibited it. Representatives of the Witnesses declared that 20 April 2017 "has a chance of entering into history as the black day for fundamental human freedoms in Russia." The court ordered the liquidation of 395 local divisions of the Witnesses and confiscation of their property for the benefit of the state. The Investigations Management Center "Open Russia" reported, with reference to data of EGRN, that Russian and foreign organizations of Witnesses and persons affiliated with them own 211 pieces of real estate in 58 regions of the country. The total assessed value of this real estate is 1.9 billion rubles. [See Anti-Putin group defends Jehovah's Witnesses] On 17 July a hearing on the appellate complaint of the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" against the Supreme Court's decision will be held. Jehovah's Witnesses Religious studies scholars, sociologists, and other analysts disagree about the definition that may be given to the international religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, with its administrative center in the U.S.A. Some investigators maintain that the Jehovists adhere to a nonorthodox movement within protestantism, others call it a pseudo-Christian structure (devotees deny the immortality of the soul, the Trinity, and the deity of Christ), while a third group defines it as an independent confession, and a fourth, as a sect. In total, in the world there are more than eight million adherents of Jehovah's Witnesses, who are required to engage in witnessing activity and to submit accounts about it, including about 160 to 170 thousand in Russia. The organization officially was registered in Russia in 1991 and since then its activity has frequently become the occasion for judicial proceedings. The Witnesses are criticized for the fact that they do not participate in elections, parties, and any other political activity, refuse service in the army in favor of alternative civilian service, and do not celebrate state and Christian holidays and birthdays. One of the main charges against the Witnesses is that their adherents speak out categorically against any medical procedures and drugs connected with blood, including opposition to transfusion of donor's blood during operations to save life. The activity of the organization is forbidden in China, North Korea, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and other countries. (tr. by PDS, posted 14 July 2017)

Police ask public to report Jehovah's Witnesses activity BRYANSK POLICE REMIND: ACTIVITY OF RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN RUSSIAN TERRITORY IS ILLEGAL Website of Directorate of MVD for Briansk province, 12 July 2017 A police report concerning administrative violation of law has been composed with respect to a woman citizen who conducted missionary activity. On 20 April 2017, by a decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian federation, the religious organization "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" and local religious organizations that are members of its structure were liquidated. But the police are receiving information that individual representatives of the Jehovah's Witnesses are continuing missionary activity. Thus, in Surazh a resident of the near abroad, who visited private households and invited them to join the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, was arrested. On the basis of the results of an inspection that was conducted with regard to her, an administrative protocol was composed on the basis of part 5 of article 5.26 of the Code of Administrative Violations of Law of the RF (violation of legislation on freedom of conscience and freedom of religious confession and on religions associations, committed by a foreign citizen). An administrative penalty in the form of a fine of 40,000 rubles was ordered. The Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for Briansk province reminds: if you are confronted with preachers of the Jehovah's Witnesses (they canvass around apartments and houses or distribute literature on the streets), contact the police for taking measure of response in accordance with the legislation of the Russian federation. (tr. by PDS, posted 14 July 2017)

Just like in April I will again try to keep everyone here up to date with a minute by minute translated transcript of the court hearings beginning on Monday. Pray for Jehovah's will to be done and His name to be glorified. Bruce

From the new "breaking news" for instant news [which will come in handy during the Great Tribulation} of JW.ORG : BREAKING NEWS | Russian Supreme Court to Hear Appeal on Monday On Monday, July 17, 2017, a three-judge panel will consider the appeal of the Russian Supreme Court’s April 20 decision against Jehovah’s Witnesses. Further updates about the hearing will be provided using this new breaking news feature. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Russia. Regardless of the outcome, we are confident that Jehovah has all matters in hand and the nations will know that he is Jehovah.–Ezekiel 38:23.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/#newsAlerts News Alerts BREAKING NEWS | Russian Supreme Court to Hear Appeal on Monday On Monday, July 17, 2017, a three-judge panel will consider the appeal of the Russian Supreme Court’s April 20 decision against Jehovah’s Witnesses. Further updates about the hearing will be provided using this new breaking news feature. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Russia. Regardless of the outcome, we are confident that Jehovah has all matters in hand and the nations will know that he is Jehovah.–Ezekiel 38:23.

Yes all of this is amazing. No matter what happens on Monday another great witness will result. What is truly remarkable is the fact that just this week all around the world we were ALL in our Book Study discussing about the events in Russia. Yet the Slave a year and a half ago when they first decided to go over this book had NO IDEA that THIS MONDAY would be the Supreme Courts appeal. Talk about "food at the PROPER TIME" !!!!!!!!!! Obviously this shows that we are Jehovah's People and he is caring for and teaching us and directing those taking the lead. Mt 24:45. "The nations shall know that I am Jehovah" Ez 38:23

"GOD SIMPLY HASN'T GIVEN UP YET." FOUR DAYS UNTIL THE BAN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN RUSSIA Will they change methods of ministry, violate the law, or all emigrate? Novaya Gazeta, 13 July 2017 On 20 April the Russian Supreme Court found the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to be extremist and prohibited its activity in our country. (An appeal of this decision was filed and it has not taken legal effect.) The Ministry of Justice discovered "violations of the charter goals of the organization and of current legislation in the RF," in particular, violation of the federal law "On combating extremist activity." The religious literature of the Witnesses (brochures, booklets, magazines Watchtower" and "Awake," etc.) have also been found to be extremist and their distribution has been prohibited. The property of the organization and of 396 Kingdom Halls (including the enormous complex of the headquarters of the Russian affiliate, "Administrative Center," in St. Petersburg) by the decision of the court will go to the benefit of the government. On Monday, 17 July, the Supreme Court will consider an appellate complaint of the Jehovah's Witnesses. And on 13 July, the Levada Center published a survey according to which 79% of Russians support the ban on Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. * * * * * "For Easter, Mama always colored eggs, but why she did this, she could not explain." Marina is setting the table; she is preparing for the arrival of fellow believers. "I rummaged through a slew of literature, I studied up on the Law of God, but I did not find anything about eggs there. I tried to find a Bible to read. In the early 90s, the father of one of my pupils worked in a publishing house and he gave it to me. I began to read—nothing about eggs, but there were prophecies and a bunch of names and I did not understand anything at all. And then Witnesses knocked at our door. They suggested studying the Bible. My husband and I agreed. And then even Katya became interested." Marina's husband, Katya's father, died several years ago. "I used to be afraid of the dead with a beastly fear. When my grandmother died, I was not able to go to her grave. I was 30 years old but I believed that she would jump out and grab me," Marina describes while her daughter laughs. "Now this is funny. After all the Bible says that the dead are in an unconscious condition and they cannot help nor harm. So that when my husband died there was not such a pain of loss that many talk about. And now there isn't. I have the feeling that he has simply gone off and some day he will return." After the closing of the Kingdom Halls, mass meetings of believers gave way to house gatherings with tea. They converse and discuss the Bible. Many continue to witness on the street. "Once they took us to the Arbat department of internal affairs and the major began saying: 'Go to the Garden Ring; why are you walking in my precinct?' I showed him the verse from the Bible where Jesus says that it is necessary to go and proclaim. The major responded to me with understanding: 'Well, you have a task.' After this we even began communicating with them. Liuda once brought them magazines and they laid them out in the police department. Perhaps they were read, or not, but they leafed through them willingly," Evgeny recalls. By order of the court, the Witnesses must transfer their buildings to the state. The principal Moscow Kingdom Hall is located on Mikhalkov Street. By their own hands the Witnesses transformed it from a palace of culture to a building for services. They laid tiles themselves, painted the walls, upholstered the seating, and hired an electrician. "I was a happy young man, but there was no sense of fulfillment. There was a feeling that everything was somehow incomplete. You feel it especially in the army. After meeting Liudmila, a real life of 'pilgrims' began. We traveled about the country and we witnessed. We even lived in Chechnya—that's where it was really hard." Concerning the upcoming appeal of 17 July, Liudmila and Evgeny speak with hope: "Even if the decision is not changed, there still is the European court. We do not want to leave the country because of the ban. We love Russia. We love the Russian language. We love these people." A photograph of her husband stands next to a computer in the living room. When Witnesses visit Marina it's as if he really is with them as before. "When I began studying the Bible, I read that a wife must submit to her husband. I thought: 'Pshaw!' I was brought up like the center of the universe." Katya adds: "That's Mama completely. Robust to the core!" "I had to break myself very much," Marina admits. "And I now greatly regret one thing—that I came to know the Bible very late. That way the first marriage could have been saved. This one was already the third. I was like—I don't like it, to hell with it. This one also would have gone to hell if it were not for the Witnesses." Over tea and pizza the believers discuss the history of the organization. They recall Eleanor Roosevelt, who acted for the persecuted Witnesses, and they hope that on 17 July the judges will make a different decision. Katya does not believe in defeat: "If everything now happens thus, it means that it is necessary to God, and God has no losses. If it seems to you that he is losing, that means that he simply has not yet given up." "They have lived with me for eleven years now. I in one room and they in the other," Valya explains. She struggles to keep her feet, but she firmly rejects help. "I will make it myself. I am falling apart, but I will make it!" "If it were not for Liuda, I would not be able to keep such cleanliness. She both keeps house and cooks every day. It is good for me with them," Valya comments on her fellow believers with warmth. As a former science worker, she speaks about the Bible as almost a scientific achievement. For her, everything there is logical and consistent. And it is also like a detective novel—truly fascinating reading for every day. After the ban on printed literature, Valentina again mastered the computer. "My girlfriend now lives in New Zealand. She also is a Witness. There they are simply in shock from what has happened," Valya returns to 20 April. "They are supporting and praying and believing that justice will triumph." "They called us extremists and in the minds of the majority of people we are equated with terrorists," Valentina's friend says. "I have faced open aggression on religious grounds," Veronika describes. "A year ago, on 8 March, I was witnessing, going about apartments and inviting everybody to our holiday, the Evening of Memory of the Death of Jesus Christ (the only religious holiday that Witnesses observe—ed.). I was with my partner. While I was talking with a young man on the stairway, a drunk woman came out of the door across the way. She began to curse. I tried to leave then but she began cursing in God's name. I asked her to stop, but she kicked me on the rear, and she pushed me, and I flew down the stairway. She flew after me and grabbed me by the hair. My partner tried to call the police, but she did not make a connection in the entryway. She tried to call to apartments and asked for help, but everybody refused. And then the woman called to a guy: "I caught a sectarian. Come in, I have a gun under the icons in the cupboard." My partner's husband came. He also separated us. Then the police took us to the precinct and there this woman wrote out a statement, that I broke into her apartment and wanted to rob her." Veronika has survived this situation so far. It was then that she, for the first time, began to think about moving to another country. One other factor was the decision of the court in April. "It's scary to live in this country. Here a decent and law-abiding person can be placed in a different light and put in jail. It is one thing to be jailed for a crime; it is another when you are framed. And I have already experienced this myself. That woman then wrote something completely different in her statement." For now, Veronika is only thinking about the possibility of moving. However some Witnesses even with tourist visas are now being refused by receiving countries. One married couple was not able to leave for the U.S.A. In an interview it was learned that they were going to America on the basis of religious convictions. Another was denied a Schengen visa when they tried to exit for a congress of Witnesses in Finland. "Before the wedding, baptized Witnesses may not have intimate relations," Yura explains. "That is, take a walk, go on dates, even kiss, but without physical intimacy." Sasha has her own group "Ameli na meli." They often perform on the summer terasses of popular Moscow cafes. Yura is a journalist. He found Sasha on social networks and he followed her productions for a long time. "I thought that since she is a singer then she obviously does not observe all biblical rules," Sasha's husband jokes. "I was mistaken." The young people learned about the court's 20 April decision from the Internet. "It was the same as if you heard news about a terrible criminal and you would stand and your heart stops when you hear about him—and then there appears on the TV screen your photograph," Sasha says. Sasha and Yury have been together since 2012 and they married in 2014. While living together for two creative people, each with their own cockroaches, in their opinion it helps to study the Bible. In the evenings they read. There are two Bibles on their bookshelf, beside Bradbury and Strugatsky. Evgeny: "In Russia now the image of Witnesses is being demonized. Previously they also dreamed up for us many different names: enemy of the people, sectarian, spy, and now the fashionable word is 'extremist.'" "Witnesses do not bear arms nor participate in wars and rallies. We will struggle by purely legal methods," Evgeny explains, and he adds: "I do not understand why they are banning us. But it seems to me that those who are banning also do not know the answer." "I once read that Jesus said: 'Go and speak about me,' and that upset me so much," Evgeny jokes. "Well I did not want to go up to anybody and converse with anybody. That was hard for me, but now it is a given." (tr. by PDS, posted 13 July 2017)

MAJORITY OF RUSSIANS QUESTIONED BY LEVADA CENTER SUPPORT BAN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES by Andrei Dubrovsky Novaya Gazeta, 13 July 2017 A survey by the Levada Center showed that 79% of Russians support the introduction into Russia of a ban on the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, which was ruled by the Supreme Court to be extremist, RBK reports. The sociologists explained that 51% of respondents "definitely" support and 28% "likely" support the prohibition of the activity of the organization in Russia. At the same time, half of the respondents had heard nothing at all about the ban of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Almost half of Russians, as it turned out in the course of the survey, consider Jehovah's Witnesses to be a "Christian sect," 15% of respondents call the organization a "separate religious confession," 5% consider it an offshoot of protestantism, and 2% chose a variant of "ordinary" Christians. The survey was conducted 23-26 June among 1,600 persons, aged 18 and older, in 137 population centers in 48 regions of Russia. On 20 April, the Supreme Court ruled the religious organization "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses" to be extremist and banned its activity in Russia. Thereby the Supreme Court granted the lawsuit of the Ministry of Justice, which had asked for the liquidation of the organization. The European Service of Foreign Affairs condemned the Russian Supreme Court's decision. [see European sympathy for Russian Jehovah's Witnesses] We recall that on 23 March, the Ministry of Justice found the religious organization to be extremist on the basis of the results of an inspection from 8 to 27 February 2017. At the time it was explained that the activity of the Jehovah's Witnesses violates "a number of charter goals and purposes" and it also violates the law "On combating extremist activity." (tr. by PDS, posted 13 July 2017)

An anniversary or a birth date is not a prophecy unless someone makes it into one. And we can certainly see why someone may come to the conclusion that the doctor was right about the "due date" but the baby may still be "delayed" after that date. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for its birth on the due date. You don't stop waiting after that date do you as if the baby is no longer coming? 1975 was a time marker marking 6,000 years from Adam's creation. That due date was known. Eve's creation was obviously long after that since Adam said when she arrived "this is AT LAST bone of my bones". So a long time had elapsed from Adam' viewpoint. Interestingly Eve's date was also KNOWN - therefore the "day and hour that is unknown is not dependent on these time markers since the angels were all present for both events. Since the Great Tribulation is not a moment in time but a period of time could the day and hour that the angels do not know be the "BEGINNING of the great tribulation" {the attack on religion} rather than the end of it which would be Armageddon? This is my "opinion". {Whether Eve's creation was or was not the end of that creative day is not the point as the angels would know when that was since they were present either way}. {In case no one has noticed MOST of the time the Watchtower Society has mentioned the day and hour it has referenced the "Beginning" of the GT not just Armageddon since our understanding now is a period of time to elapse as in a "first phase and second phase" to the GT}. As for brothers selling things to simplify your life for greater service to God is very commendable as my family did in 1975 and before likewise and we benefited from that decision with increased spirituality and awareness of our place in the stream of time {sense of urgency}. Of course everyone is different and some will inevitably take things to far. Again that is their "opinion" or "choice". No one forced my family or others to simplify their lives. But the Bible clearly shows that is a proper thing to do in this system no matter how long we have to wait for the final end. Live as tho the end is coming tomorrow but plan as if it is not.

Jwinsider - I wish to apologize for labeling you an apostate. Obviously I do not know you personally and after doing some research I noticed that the teachings about Christ becoming King in 33 C.E. actually may not have come "first" from apostate websites as Christendom's websites say the same thing. So its like which came first the chicken or the egg. I do not know therefore it is improper to label you an apostate. However I have a yes or no "poll" question that I like to ask everyone who is reading this: Does the Governing Body have the right or authority to interpret to us any given Bible teaching [Not just 1914 but anything incl. core teachings]. Your question for the topic of this thread on "1914 problematic" is why I wish to inquire as to where everyone stands on this question of interpretation. Please try not to answer beyond a yes or no "at first" as it will delve into off topic areas. {If someone would like to start a thread on it that is fine but we obviously don't need "another" thread for a simple yes or no question. lol}. Poll Question: "In your opinion does the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have the right and authority to interpret to us any given Bible teaching? Yes/No.

You are not approved to give any interpretation or guidance to anyone. Sorry. Also someone does not need to quote from an apostate to promote the teachings of Christendom - which is apostate !!! "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and NOT APPROVED FOR GOOD WORK OF ANY SORT." Titus 1:16. This is not a worldly philosophy it is from God's Word !!! "You are no part of the world" Jn 17 I am sure some others will come along to defend the apostate ideas that go against Jehovah's Witnesses in regards to 1914. But ask yourself what religion are we suppose to go to if JW are wrong? Just figure it out by ourselves perhaps? We have 30,000 religions which one has the truth on 1914? Or perhaps like Korah and the 250 rebels who said "they" were God's loyal people and wanted to "reform" His people. We all know what happened to them and who really Jehovah considers loyal. And that is why I am leaving since being here is not LOYAL as has been stated! {Read entire book of Numbers and Jude}.

Apostates use to say the Internet would destroy Jehovah's Witnesses, well time to eat some crow: Here is my final gift to ALL: Since the true religion would be preaching the "good news of the kingdom in ALL the earth" I GOOGLED "God's Kingdom" to see who may be fulfilling that prophecy. Answer JW.ORG. Then I looked under "Last Days", "Prophecy", Armageddon" and of course "Ransom Sacrifice"? Same result! Then after that I searched under :"God's Name", "Who go to heaven", "What happens when you die", "Why does God allow suffering" and so forth...JW.ORG came up FIRST in all these searches which is impossible because even to get on the first page of google's search is extremely unlikely given there are OVER a BILLION websites out there but to be NUMBER ONE at the top of the page on ALL of these searches? Matt. 24:14; 28:19,20. {And I searched all these in incognito and erased all history and search terms from computer {and looked in a library computer}in case they were stored somewhere} “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Dan. 12:4. "And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people." Rev. 14:6 But there is much more to it than just searches. Well there are over 30,000 religions and thousands of religious websites yet JW.ORG is first and they are a tiny religion compared to the mainstream ones. And overall the most popular religious website in Italy is JW.ORG with the Vatican being number 4! And if that is not proof enough that Jehovah's Witnesses have the one true faith, WORLDWIDE, the most popular religious website out of 17,000 as of 2017 is now JW.ORG. And what website out of 1.2 BILLION is translated into more languages than any other as the true religion would be, in fact SIX TIMES more than Google itself? JW.ORG!!! That fact alone shows "divine intervention" but when you take everything else into account such as all these search term results - WOW. . What website is translated into more languages than any other and would thus identity the true religion and fulfill prophecy? We are preaching about the Kingdom in "all the earth" {internet covers all the earth} as the prophecy says!!! Could it be that the incredible increase in computers and internet [not just MEPS story] is by "divine intervention"? Source material : https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/people-and-society/religion-and-spirituality You can search under each country on earth to see the results individually. https://www.tomedes.com/translator-hub/most-translated-website.php http://www.internetlivestats.com/total-number-of-websites/ I showed all of this to my Bible Study last night and he is now convinced that JW have the Truth, not because of any one teaching but because we are the ONLY religion actually DOING the work that Christians are suppose to do! Which is the most translated website in the world? Well, the undisputed champion when it comes to offering multilingual translations of its content is not Apple, it is not Microsoft, Adobe, nor even the United Nations or the European Union as you might expect. It is the Jehovah’s Witnesses website ... Translation in over 750 languages is a massive effort. Anyone who has been involved in website internationalization will refer to the team work and resources required. Jehovah’s Witnesses approach deserves a case study on its own for they have translated meticulously towards their goal and have succeeded in providing their audiences with the texts in the language of their choice. Other religions, even with far more reach, have not done so. ... However, once the Internet became a popular platform for communication, it was only natural that the organization replicate their pattern of using translations to convey their message in the new medium. It is curious, though, that other religions or groups that seek to recruit believers or proselytize have not used pre-Internet material to grow their websites. https://www.pangeanic.com/knowledge_center/which-is-the-most-translated-website-in-the-world/ Interesting how they compare us to other religions in this matter. The INTERNET has just confirmed who is the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OR the TRUE RELIGION IS. BTW our website is currently at 898 languages and rising higher and higher. "In the final part of the daysThe mountain of the house of JehovahWill become firmly established above the top of the mountains,And it will be raised up above the hills,And to it all the nations will stream." Isa 2:2 Since the TRUE religion would have to preach in ALL the earth they would by necessity have to translate more than any other religion. And in fact NOW more than anyone "period". 1 out of 1.2 BILLION !!!!!!!!!!!Mat. 24:3; 28:19,20............

Well since I am no longer wanted and this place is infested with apostates as my final act as terminator: in·fes·ta·tion ˌinfəˈstāSHən/ noun the presence of an unusually large number of apostates or animals in a place, typically so as to cause damage or disease. "infestation with apostates is widespread"

Perfect example thanks. Satan also said "is it really so ALL the trees" You said "If everyone here is an apostate". LOL. You know God did not say what Satan said yet you use Satan's apostate methods in questioning. You are not approved to give any interpretation or guidance to anyone. Sorry. "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and NOT APPROVED FOR GOOD WORK OF ANY SORT." Titus 1:16.

Sorry but we have all seen what you have posted here is also over time on different threads and it is also apostate. Which is probably why you are trying to defend it As such you are not approved to give any interpretation or guidance to anyone. Sorry. "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and NOT APPROVED FOR GOOD WORK OF ANY SORT." Titus 1:16.

So you wish me to leave. Why? The category was apostasy.

I do not need to go into a sewer to know the truth of what is there. There is a reason the Scriptures disagree with you on this point. "Hate what is bad" does not mean you have to be bad in order to hate it.

Thanks "You should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought". 1 Cor. 1:10!

I sympathize with your confusion as apostates will often try to defend their teachings with reason, clarity and Scripture. Here is a perfect example: There was once an assembly of apostates, the first Scripture they pointed to for support against Jehovah's Witnesses was Acts 8:37 NWT. Then after that they went to Acts 15:34 and finally Acts 24:7 to finally cement their argument against Jehovah's Witnesses. Yet the outcome of the meeting was plainly seen in Acts 19:32 :" "Some were, in fact, crying out one thing and others something else; for the assembly was in confusion and the majority of them did not know the reason why they had come together". LOOK FAMILIAR HERE! However the true faith would "all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought". 1 Cor. 1:10!

Maybe I have not made myself clear. Then see my last posts again. No need to keep repeating it.

I don't care if you call me names: You just proved my point. Therefore that disqualifies you according to Scripture to "prove" anything. "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and NOT APPROVED FOR GOOD WORK OF ANY SORT." Titus 1:16.

You have also quoted and shown cartoons from apostate websites as Truetom pointed out some time ago to me. Therefore that disqualifies you according to Scripture to "prove" anything.