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Just because Satan can be an angel of light does not disqualify his apostate attitude. Many can say and teach correct things. I also enjoyed some of what he was saying before this thread on other subjects. But when he promotes his teaching from Ray Franz {I and my father were around at that time as well and know the situation quite accurately] and contradicts Jehovah's Witnesses I am not just going to say he is with the "home team". If someone on your team tries to make the other side win [to throw the game] is he really on your team. If he had never quoted from the apostates I would not even be having this conversation. And he has not apologized or has stopped promoting that teaching now has he?

Sorry James but "anything" they now post is now considered as false teaching by your own confession of promoting apostate ideas of Ray Franz and other apostate websites. If you believe Jesus did not become King in 1914 or unrepentant ones should not be disfellowshipped then start your own religion, I am sure the 30,000 other apostate "Christian" religions who agree with you will welcome you with open arms as some do here as well.

I have had the same experiences as insider but I do not brag about it.Or look haughty by answering people with pages and pages of junk that most just don't have the time to read anyway. I agree none of us here are really loyal since we are here. Roving about is fine if it is ones foray but some have flagrantly been disloyal by promoting from apostate websites. I just wanted to point out to this community "that" fact as well as the fact that none of the rest of us are to blame for apostates being here except for the owners of this blog, they are allowing it if they are even Witnesses.

JTR, insider and some others on this blog have repeatedly quoted from apostate books {Ray Franz} and visited and pasted from apostate sites {you can do a search right on this blog for proof}. You wish to associate with apostates since you have read and promote their teachings by QUOTING from them, that IS apostasy and makes one in fact an APOSTATE. {wt 86 3/15}. "and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves". Acts 20:30. "Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.+ 18 For men of that sort are slaves, not of our Lord Christ, but of their own appetites,* and by smooth talk and flattering speech they seduce the hearts of unsuspecting ones". Rom 16:17,18. Titus 3:10,11. You both have stated in the past that you still go to the meetings and thus pretend to be a brother yet you find you can reveal your true self by hiding your identity in a forum. You of course would say that you love the truth, the brothers and even have a clean conscience. The Bible says apostates would do the same. {Read entire book of Jude}. Why even Satan had concern for Jesus and quoted Scripture to him as well. That did not prove his LOYALTY to Jehovah or those taking the lead. But true loyal Christians would not read apostate books and teachings and you both have definitely not hidden the fact that you have read and promoted the teachings of Ray Franz in this very thread! . Because of listening to the Devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized. So, then, should we listen to apostates, read their literature, or examine their Web sites on the Internet? If we love God and the truth, we will not do so. We should not allow apostates into our homes {via the Internet} or even greet them, for such actions would make us ‘sharers in their wicked works.’ (2 John 9-11) May we never succumb to the Devil’s wiles by abandoning the Christian “path of truth” to follow false teachers who seek to “introduce ruinous ideologies” and try to ‘exploit us with well-turned phrases.’—2 Peter 2:1-3, Byington. {See also W06 1/15} Therefore you as well as insider and your followers are not approved to give any kind of interpretation or teaching of any kind at all on any subject because by your actions against Jehovah you have confessed to be promoting apostate teachings : "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and NOT APPROVED FOR GOOD WORK OF ANY SORT." Titus 1:16. So "anything" they now post is now considered as false teaching by your own confession of promoting apostate ideas of Ray Franz and other apostate websites. If you believe Jesus did not become King in 1914 or unrepentant ones should not be disfellowshipped then start your own religion, I am sure the 30,000 other apostate "Christian" religions who agree with you will welcome you with open arms as some do here as well. "Promoting" the apostate teachings of Christendom against the teaching on 1914 does not make one a loyal Witness of Jehovah, it IS apostasy !!!

Years-long criminal case against Jehovah's Witnesses leaders ended COURT ACQUITS SERGIEV POSAD ELDERS, REJECTING UNFOUNDED CLAIMS OF PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, 4 July 2017 Despite the persistent attempts of the prosecutor's office to find two peaceful believers to be "extremists," the court again issued a verdict of acquittal with the right of rehabilitation. On 21 June 2017 the Sergiev-Posad city court published the verdict that acquitted Viacheslav Stepanov and Andrei Sivaka, Jehovah's Witnesses from Sergiev Posad (Moscow province), who over the course of four years have been subjected to unfair criminal prosecution. Earlier, on 4 March 2016, the court found these believers innocent, but on the basis of the demand of the prosecutor's office the criminal case was considered a second time by a different judge. Wishing to justify the years-long illegal prosecution of the believers, the prosecutor's office again appealed the second verdict of acquittal. Jehovah's Witnesses are far from any manifestation of extremism and they consider prosecution of believers on fictitious charges to be repression. (tr. by PDS, posted 4 July 2017) IN SERGIEV POSAD, ELDERS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CONGREGATION AGAIN ACQUITTED SOVA Center for New and Analysis, 4 July 2017 The second consideration of the case of Viacheslav Stepanov and Andrei Sivak ended with their acquittal. On 21 June 2017 the Sergiev-Posad city court of Moscow province ended the second consideration of the case of elders of the Jehovah's Witnesses congregation Viacheslav Stepanov and Andrei Sivak, who were charged with inciting religious hatred committed by an organized group (point "v" of part 2 of article 282 of the Criminal Code). The defendants were acquitted. The criminal case based on article 282 of the Criminal Code against Stepanov and Sivak was initiated in April 2013. The believers were accused that in the course of meetings they made statements that incited religious hatred; in particular, they quoted forbidden brochures of the Jehovah's Witnesses "What does the Bible really teach?" and "Draw nigh to Jehovah," which contain negative characterizations of other religions, including "traditional" Christianity and Christian clergymen and which urged joining the Jehovah's Witnesses. Back in March 2016, the Sergiev-Posad city court came to the conclusion about the innocence of Stepanov and Sivak, not finding in their statements indicators of inciting hatred and noting substantive violations in the conduct of expert analysis at the stage of preliminary investigation. However in May 2016 the Moscow provincial court issued an appellate ruling by which it reversed the verdict and remanded the case for a new review. We consider prosecution of Jehovah's Witnesses for extremism to be religious discrimination. (tr. by PDS, posted 4 July 2017)

Anti-Putin group defends Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT FORSAKE THE WITNESSES The Investigations Management Center uncovered what Russia will obtain from the forbidden religious organization by Alesia Marokhovskaia, Irina Dolina, Georgy Aleksandrov TsURrealizm, 29 June 2017 If on 17 July, the "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" is unable to appeal its liquidation, then the decision of the Supreme Court will take effect, finding the organization extremist and its property subject to confiscation. Approximately 175 thousand investors, who invested in the earthly "kingdom," will be left with nothing. The Investigations Management Center [Tsentr Upravleniia Rassledovaniiami—TsUR]* has estimated the scope of the largest postsoviet nationalization: the Jehovists have at least 211 items of immovable property in 57 regions, with an assessed value of 1.9 billion rubles. The state will get the richest portion, but in order to get everything it will be necessary to exert great effort. On 20 April, the Supreme Court found the activity of the "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" to be extremist and liquidated the religious organization, along with 395 regional divisions that are members of its structure. Their activity was stopped by the court immediately, and after the decision takes effect, the property of the liquidated organizations will be confiscated in the state's favor. From 1993 to 2017, the religious organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses have amassed 438 registration addresses in Russia. We confirmed all owners of these items of immoveable property and 211 of the addresses turned out to be connected with Jehovists. Among the ownership arrangements there were two basic forms: by the religious organizations directly and by affiliated individuals. Of the property we found, according to information of the Uniform State Register of Immovable Property, Russian and foreign associations of "Witnesses" own 118 buildings and another 93 are owned by leaders and founders of local divisions and their relatives. The assessed value of this real estate, located in 57 regions of the country, amounts to 1.9 billion rubles. The greatest liquid assets of Jehovah's Witnesses are located in St. Petersburg—11.4 hectares of land with several buildings with a total space of 9,625 square meters. Thus, in the village of Solnechnoe, on the shore of the Finnish Gulf, there are located 10 hectares of now-vacant land of the headquarters of the Jehovists with residential and technologistic structures. It was there that the "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia"—the parent organization of Jehovah's Witnesses--was located. According to information of Fontanka, about 300 employees of the Administrative Center lived and worked there, along with their families, but immediately after the court's decision they began exiting the village. Another commercially attractive plot of land the size of a hectare is at Kolomyazhsk Prospect 21. There the Jehovists built a Hall of Congresses for 2,000 persons, which was used for major holidays and lectures. The assessed value of all buildings of the religious organization in St. Petersburg is 780 million rubles, but the market value may turn out to be twice that. The richest congregation—the St. Petersburg religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses—also had the most prominent founders. Among them were businessmen, lawyers, and top managers: Sergei Malyshev, the former general director of the Tyumen Aviation Company "Sibirinteravia;" Sergei Vasilev, the head of administration of security for Novgorod province, "Sviaz—Bezopasnost;" and Dmitry Poliakov, the co-owner of the college of advocates of Volgograd province and former member of the council of directors of the Butyrsk market of Moscow. The Moscow division of Jehovists has behaved more modestly; in the capital only one building belongs to the Witnesses. Although it is located on the territory of the Mikhalkovo estate of the Panins at Golovin ponds; its area is 3,194.7 square meters and its assessed value is 297 million rubles. In 2010 the prefecture of the Northern district declared that the building had been privatized illegally by the Moscow Fine Wool Factory of Peter Alekseev and donated to the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. However it was impossible to take the property away from the Jehovists and today the building is owned by the Austrian society of the organization. We discovered the greatest amount of immovable property in the south of the country in Stavropol and Krasnodar territories—31 buildings with an assessed value of 202 million rubles. Stavropol devotees of the Witnesses were some of the first to be subjected to severe pressure on the part of personnel of law enforcement agencies. In March 2016 during searches among Jehovists in the house of worship they found literature that was included in the Federal List of Extremist Materials. Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that the literature was planted on them. In their account on Youtube they published a video from a surveillance camera where it is seen that people in masks took some papers out of their pockets and put them on a table. At the same time, searches were conducted in the Karachay-Cherkessk republic in a building of the local division of Jehovists, where extremist materials also were discovered. A year later the Karachay-Cherkessk organization was liquidated by a court for distributing forbidden literature and its property was transferred to the state. According to the Uniform State Register of Immoveable Property, bailiffs have imposed a ban on alienation of the building (298.5 square meters) and land (857 square meters) belonging to it. Now all the property of the banned organization is supposed to go to the state. However, within six months the assets of the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and its subdivisions have been substantially reduced. As soon as the threat of liquidation became acute, Russian religious organizations began giving or donating their property to foreign representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses. From January to the end of April 2017, they managed to give 74 items of real estate with an assessed value of 402 million rubles to foreigners. The chief beneficiaries were societies of Jehovists in Switzerland, Austria, Spain and also the "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania," to which the headquarters of Jehovists in St. Petersburg has belonged since 2010 (with reservation of the right of use to the Administrative Center). That local organizations had been instructed to transfer immovable property to the ownership of foreign legal entities was reported by Delovoi Peterburg [St. Petersburg Business], citing a letter of the Administrative Center that they had in their possession. The letter said that after foreign divisions of Witnesses became owners of lands and buildings, the congregations should select one of the local believers and transfer all of it to him on the basis of a contract for its free use. The potential new proprietor was supposed to be older than 25 years and "possess the necessary spiritual qualities." Thus, according to the information of DP, the congregation planned to continue to use the immovable property while formally having nothing to do with it. But problems could arise with the search for an appropriate believer. In Tyva, for example, the former leader of the local organization in Kyzyl Saryg, Omak Maa-Khooevich, renounced the teaching of the Jehovists and became the proprietor of several Buddhist religious organizations and the regional division of the Russian National Front. The state has already begun to cut off attempts to transfer real estate. In Stavropol territory, a local organization of Jehovists tried to donate land (2,851 sq. m.) and Kingdom Hall (1,161.6 sq. m.) in the village of Nezlobnaya to Witnesses from Denmark. The regional department of Rosreestr refused to register the transaction. In early June a Danish congregation tried to challenge the refusal in the Arbitration Court of Stavropol territory, but the court did not accept the petition, considering the dispute outside its competence. Back in March 2017, deals with foreign organizations of Witnesses were registered and local congregations managed to donate three items of real estate to Jehovists from Austria. The press secretary of the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, Ivan Belenko, during a conversation with TsUR, was not able to specify the value of real estate which could be diverted to the state. He said that the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia is not legally linked in any way to regional organizations and it does not affect their internal life nor have any information about their assets. As a result as of June 2017 foreign societies of Jehovah's Witnesses own a large portion of the real estate that we found. They own 65% (16.4 hectares and 25,072 sq. m. of buildings and premises, 78 items in all) with an assessed value of more than 500 million rubles. There are 93 items owned by leaders and founders of Russian divisions and their relatives, but these are quite modest assets: 11.5% of the Russian real estate (2.7 hectares of land and 6,020 sq. m. of buildings) with a value of 175 million rubles. And only 23.5% of the real estate (5.4 hectares and 13,989 sq. m. of 40 items in all) belong directly to Russian legal entities of Witnesses, although it is the most expensive, no less than 660 million rubles. This distribution may allow the Jehovists to retain the greater part of property, if actions for its transfer are not challenged. The state has such a possibility, thinks the senior partner of the board of lawyers "Yukov and Partners", Irina Adamova: "Since the property was transferred by a gift agreement, then it will be possible to argue that this was an artificial deal for transferring title to property specifically in order to avoid confiscation of this property. If the prosecutor proves that the deals were concluded in order to avoid compliance with a juridical order and not as a free gift, then the state will be able to take possession of this property." As to real estate that is owned by leaders and founders of local organizations and their relatives, the state is not likely to be able to make a claim. Irina Adamova says that the prosecutor's office must prove that the building was bought with money of the religious organization and not with resources of the owner. Doing this and confiscating the property will be much more difficult than in cases with the donation to foreign organizations. Witnesses of the Last Days The Jehovah's Witnesses are a confession that was previously known as the "Bible Students Association," one of the offshoots of Christianity, but its adherents deny most of the doctrines. Jehovists do not believe the immortality of the soul and therefore the supreme good for them is eternal life. They anticipate Armageddon, the holy war of good against evil, after which there will be no evil people and paradise will come to earth, Satan will be finally destroyed, and the righteous will be resurrected to live forever. Critics of the Jehovists accuse them of inflaming religious strife. "It turns out that more than 100,000 people will not be able to profess their faith. But the only reason that their books are considered extremist is that they proclaim the superiority of one religion over others," says Ksenia Sergazina, an expert of the SOVA Center for News and Analysis. "But you find this in every religion. It is in Christianity and in Islam and in the others." Jehovah's Witnesses also are called a sect, because of their active evangelistic activity and ban on voluntary departure from the community. In addition, for Jehovah's Witnesses participation in political parties is unacceptable and they refuse to serve in the army, do not celebrate state holiday, and do not participate in elections. The history of the persecution of Witnesses in contemporary Russia began in 2009. The literature of the Jehovists was ruled to be extremist, since the court found in it information "inciting religious strife, promoting exceptionalism, superiority, and demeaning of citizens on the basis of indicators of their attitude toward religion." In seven years, 95 printed materials wound up in the list of forbidden materials, and eight regional organizations of Jehovists were ruled to be extremist because of the mass distribution and possession of these materials. In March 2017 the Ministry of Justice filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court for the liquidation of the parent "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" and of all regional organization because of violations of the law on combating extremism. Such violations were considered to be importing into the territory of the country and providing to local organizations literature "both already ruled extremist and subsequently ruled extremist" and the financing of regional divisions that "were subsequently ruled to be extremist." The court agreed with the arguments of the Ministry of Justice, emphasizing that in seven years the parent organization did not attempt to remove the reasons because of which its regional divisions were ruled to be extremist. With special alarm the court noted that the organization "actually justified" the actions of the liquidated regional structures, "considering that they are not extremist." Correspondents of TsUR leafed through one of the brochures cited in the court's decision and that is included in the list of extremist materials. This is a small booklet with pictures, "Listen to God and Live Eternally," whose whole text consists of short quotations from the Bible in the Jehovists' translation. The Serov district court of Sverdlovsk province that on 19 February 2016 ruled this booklet extremist did not explain that it considered it to incite religious strife and to promote superiority on the basis of religious convictions. The most extremist quotation from the book is the call "Do not participate in political affairs of nations." It is possible that the court decided to interpret this as a call to boycott elections (according to the law "On combating extremist activity" extremism is considered to include impeding the exercising of citizens' electoral rights). It is impossible to specify since in ruling the Jehovists' literature to be extremist the courts have not given specific citations. Daria Averochkina, an adherent of Jehovah's Witnesses, is sure that despite the potential threat of criminal prosecution, the Witnesses will not renounce their convictions: "The rights of Jehovah's Witnesses as citizens are now being violated. The article of the constitution (the issue is article 28 about freedom of religious confession—TsUR) still guarantees to me the right to profess those religious conviction that I consider correct. History shows that Jehovah's Witnesses both in the period of nazi Germany and in the soviet period endured opposition on the part of the ruling regime. Nevertheless they found the possibility of assembling and conducting joint services. Now mass services are impossible, because immediately after the decision of the Supreme Court all buildings were confiscated and we cannot gather anywhere. But in any case I think meetings will be conducted. Nobody can deprive a person of the freedom to believe and express his religious convictions." The vice-chairman of the Union of Orthodox Standard Bearers, Igor Miroshnichenko, does not agree that the charge that Jehovists are extremist is unjust: "It can only be greeted and welcomed. And, moreover, it is necessary that such sects should be treated in the same way. They say that they are not aggressive. But the Lord said: 'Do not fear those that destroy the body. Fear those that destroy the soul.' This is more horrible than if they destroyed physically." After this, Miroshenichenko displayed with pride to TsUR correspondents a collection of tee-shirts with the slogan "Orthodoxy or Death," which has been ruled extremist in Russia. As Miroshinichenko declared, the tee-shirts sell very well, despite the judicial prohibition. (tr. by PDS, posted 3 July 2017) *The Investigations Management Center was created by Putin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky in order to combat corruption in Russia.

Court bans a Jehovah's Witnesses work-around to access literature on Internet COURT RULES INFORMATION ABOUT DISSEMINATION OF EXTREMIST MATERIALS ON INTERNET FORBIDDEN Website of Northwestern Transport Prosecutor's Office, 29 June 2017 On the basis of a petition from the Syktyvkar transport prosecutor, a court enjoined the posting of information on the Internet about dissemination of extremist materials. In the course of monitoring the Internet, the Syktyvkar transport prosecutor's office discovered a website containing information about how to install on a smartphone, tablet, and other personal means of communication a mobile app that enables access to literature that is included on the Federal List of Extremist Materials and is used by members of the religious organization "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia," which has been ruled in Russia to be extremist and liquidated in accordance with the decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. The federal law "On information, information technologies and protection of information" prohibits the dissemination of information for which criminal or administrative accountability has been provided. In order to prevent citizens' access to the aforementioned website, the transport prosecutor's office sent the court a petition to find information posted on it to be forbidden for distribution on the territory of the Russian federation. By decision of the court, the petition of the prosecutor's office was granted in full. After the court's decision takes legal effect it will be sent to the Roskomnadzor for inclusion in the Uniform Register of Domain Names and Indexes of Pages of Websites on the Internet and Internet Addresses, which permits one to identify websites in the Internet that contain information that is prohibited in the Russian federation. (tr. by PDS, posted 3 July 2017)

Elderly Jehovah's Witness convicted of illegal evangelism NEARLY-80-YEAR-OLD GRANDMOTHER FINED FOR TALKING ABOUT HER FAITH IN CHELIABINSK PROVINCE Jw-ru.blogspot.com, 1 July 2017 Imagine an elderly woman who is about 80 years old. Strolling along the street she unwittingly chatted with other ordinary people, as many elderly people of such an honorable age do. As a result of her chatting she talked about various subjects, including topics of a religious nature. And the elderly woman, who has broad life experience and her own personal convictions, talked about this with people who did not mind talking with her and sharing their own opinions. But the prosecutor's office of Cheliabinsk province opened an administrative case against this woman on the basis of part 4 of article 5.26 of the Code of Administrative Violations of Law of the RF (Conducting missionary activity with violation of the requirements of legislation on freedom of conscience and freedom of religious confession and on religious associations). Just imagine, appearing before a judge is a grandmother who is almost 80 years old in whom representatives of law and order saw someone who is just about a hardened criminal. And all of this simply because this elderly woman shared her belief in God and topics she had read in the Bible. But somebody will say, this cannot be. After all, just about every day we hear statements of Orthodox priests and other believers telling about their faith. Yes, that's so. But the point is that this grandmother does not attend the Orthodox church but as a Christian she is a Jehovah's Witness. So it was for this reason that the prosecutor's office of Emanzhelinsk instigated an administrative case against the nearly-80-year-old grandmother, whose faith did not please the personnel of the prosecutor's office. (tr. by PDS, posted 2 July 2017) RETIREE WHO PROCLAIMED JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TEACHING FINED IN CHELIABINSK PROVINCE Znak Internet Gazeta, 21 June 2017 In Emanzhelinsk a 76-year-old retiree, who spread information about the activity of the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses on the street, was fined 5,000 rubles. The press service of the prosecutor's office of Cheliabinsk province told Znak.com that an administrative case was opened against the woman on the basis of part 4 of article 5.26 of the Code of Administrative Violations of Law of the RF (Conducting missionary activity with violation of the requirements of legislation on freedom of conscience and freedom of religious confession and on religious associations). "The prosecutor's office of Emazhelinsk, in the course of a joint inspection with personnel of the territorial police department, established that a 76-year-old local resident in April 2017, in public places in the city, publicly conducted missionary activity, spreading information about the doctrine of the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses among people who were not participants (members, followers) of said religious association." Meanwhile, on 20 April the Russian Supreme Court found the activity of the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to be extremist and prohibited its work in Russia. (tr. by PDS, posted 2 July 2017)

Sorry but all these Scriptures were written by Jews and Jews do not believe in a Trinity. Try a different Scripture if you want.

Jw insider: Chronology is ambiguous for a reason, Jehovah did not yell from the heavens that His Witnesses is the true faith. Otherwise everyone would be a Witness but for the wrong reasons, Jehovah wants people to worship him from the heart not because of the interpretation of some blogger who gets his info from apostate websites. Notice Rev. 6 shows after Jesus is given the crown that the next rider takes peace away from the earth not just a few nations. To me and others that is GLOBAL war - 1914. Notice no chronology needed, just a sign of a global war.{ Dan. 2:44 - "SET UP a kingdom" even tho he is "King of kings" God's Kingdom is set up sometime after Rome disintegrated with its complete fall in the year 1453 C.E.} First global war after that was 1914! REV. 6:4!!! But what you are doing is more than just about 1914 since you and others such as JTR on this blog have repeatedly quoted from apostate books {Ray Franz} as your ideas and his are identical about 1914. You wish to associate with apostates since you have read and promote their teachings by QUOTING from them, that IS apostasy and makes one in fact an APOSTATE. {wt 86 3/15}. "and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves". Acts 20:30. "Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.+ 18 For men of that sort are slaves, not of our Lord Christ, but of their own appetites,* and by smooth talk and flattering speech they seduce the hearts of unsuspecting ones". Rom 16:17,18. Titus 3:10,11. You have stated in the past that you still go to the meetings and thus pretend to be a brother yet you find you can reveal your true self by hiding your identity in a forum. You of course would say that you love the truth, the brothers and even have a clean conscience. The Bible says apostates would do the same. {Read entire book of Jude}. Why even Satan had concern for Jesus and quoted Scripture to him as well. That did not prove his LOYALTY to Jehovah or those taking the lead. But true loyal Christians would not read apostate books and teachings and you have definitely not hidden the fact that you have read and promoted the teachings of Ray Franz in this very thread! . Because of listening to the Devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized. So, then, should we listen to apostates, read their literature, or examine their Web sites on the Internet? If we love God and the truth, we will not do so. We should not allow apostates into our homes {via the Internet} or even greet them, for such actions would make us ‘sharers in their wicked works.’ (2 John 9-11) May we never succumb to the Devil’s wiles by abandoning the Christian “path of truth” to follow false teachers who seek to “introduce ruinous ideologies” and try to ‘exploit us with well-turned phrases.’—2 Peter 2:1-3, Byington. {See also W06 1/15} Therefore you as well as JTR and your followers are not approved to give any kind of interpretation or teaching of any kind at all on any subject because by your actions against Jehovah you have confessed to be promoting apostate teachings : "They publicly declare that they know God, but they disown him by their works, because they are detestable and disobedient and NOT APPROVED FOR GOOD WORK OF ANY SORT." Titus 1:16. So "anything" you now post is now considered as false teaching by your own confession of promoting apostate ideas of Ray Franz and others. If you believe Jesus did not become King in 1914 then start your own religion, I am sure the 30,000 other apostate "Christian" religions who agree with you will welcome you with open arms as some do here as well. {unless you wish to retract the apostate teachings of Christendom}. {However as of 2017 JW.ORG is now the number one religious website out of 17,000 other religious websites. Praise Jah for the TRUE religion}!!! ISA 2:2-4!

Some apostates of Christendom say Jesus became King in 33 C.E. [or sometime in the first century] Yet in 33 C.E. the Apostles asked Jesus "WHEN" are you restoring the Kingdom. So obviously that teaching of Christendom is wrong as is the Trinity, Hellfire and Immortal Soul. Acts 1:6. And this was "after" he was given all authority. But obviously not Kingdom authority because that came much later in 1914. In 33 C.E., Jesus made it clearly known that the corulers who would assist the King of God’s Kingdom would be taken from the earth and raised to life as spirit creatures in heaven. His disciples, though, did not immediately understand this revelation. (Dan. 7:18; John 14:2-5) In that same year, Jesus indicated by means of illustrations that the Kingdom would not be established until a LONG TIME AFTER he ascended to heaven. (Matt. 25:14, 19; Luke 19:11, 12) The disciples did not comprehend this vital point and later asked the resurrected Jesus: “Are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at THIS TIME?” Jesus, however, chose not to reveal any more details AT THAT time. (Acts 1:6, 7). “Respecting the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal MESSAGE {internet blog} or through a letter as though FROM US, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one [including bloggers] seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the APOSTASY COMES FIRST and the man of lawlessness gets revealed.”—2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. {So the "presence" is long after the First Century as the apostasy would be revealed first and of course Jesus' illustrations regarding that Kingdom. And notice the apostasy is related to the presence of Jesus as they [the apostates] would say he came at THAT time and not a later time} {"FROM US" at 2 Thess. 2:1-3 - obviously INTERPRETATIVE AUTHORITY came from JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION not from individual bloggers who think they have insider interpretative authority.}

Interesting never thought about doing google search on what people are searching for. I wonder what web site comes up first if you search not just "Last Days" but for "Prophecy", Armageddon", "God's Kingdom" and of course "Ransom Sacrifice"? Then after that search under :"God's Name", "Who go to heaven", "What happens when you die", "Why does God allow suffering" and so forth...I wonder which web site comes up first, second and so forth? Matt. 24:14; 28:19,20. “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Dan. 12:4. "And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people." Rev. 14:6 So is this attributed to a "higher power - divine intervention"? Well there are over 30,000 religions and hundreds of religious websites yet JW.ORG is first in these search words and they are a tiny religion compared to the mainstream ones. Who are the ones preaching the "good news of the Kingdom in all the earth"? Well the search brings up JW.ORG. Mt. 24:14. And what website is translated into more languages than any other and would thus identity the true religion and fulfill prophecy? I showed this to my doubtful Bible study last night and he is now convinced that Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones preaching about the Kingdom in "all the earth" {internet covers all the earth} as the prophecy says!!!

Also about "rain" from 1988 Insight on the Scriptures :"At an early point in the history of the preparation of the earth, “God had not made it rain upon the earth,” but “a mist would go up from the earth and it watered the entire surface of the ground.” The time referred to is evidently early on the third creative “day,” before vegetation appeared. (Ge 1:9-13; 2:5, 6; see MIST.) The first instance in the Biblical record when rain is specifically mentioned as falling is in the account of the Flood. Then “the floodgates of the heavens were opened,” and “the downpour upon the earth went on for forty days and forty nights.”—Ge 7:11, 12; 8:2. Also going back to topic some apostates in Christendom say Jesus became King in 33 C.E. [or sometime in the first century] Yet in 33 C.E. the Apostles asked Jesus "WHEN" are you restoring the Kingdom. So obviously that teaching of Christendom is wrong as is the Trinity, Hellfire and Immortal Soul. Acts 1:6. And this was "after" he was given all authority. Context shows the meaning. In 33 C.E., Jesus made it clearly known that the corulers who would assist the King of God’s Kingdom would be taken from the earth and raised to life as spirit creatures in heaven. His disciples, though, did not immediately understand this revelation. (Dan. 7:18; John 14:2-5) In that same year, Jesus indicated by means of illustrations that the Kingdom would not be established until a LONG TIME AFTER he ascended to heaven. (Matt. 25:14, 19; Luke 19:11, 12) The disciples did not comprehend this vital point and later asked the resurrected Jesus: “Are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at THIS TIME?” Jesus, however, chose not to reveal any more details at that time. (Acts 1:6, 7). “Respecting the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though FROM US, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the APOSTASY COMES FIRST and the man of lawlessness gets revealed.”—2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. {So the "presence" is long after the First Century as the apostasy would be revealed first. And notice the apostasy is related to the presence of Jesus as they [the apostates] would say he came at THAT time and not a later time} {"From us" - obviously interpretative authority came from a particular source not from individual Christians on some blog.}

Awake 3/2014 mentions "canopy of vapor". And 3/15 2011 Watchtower also mentions "the water canopy" on page 26. Those are just the most recent articles. And many more after 1956 up to today.

I hope I don't get in trouble for this off topic remark but...back in WW 2 fighter pilots use to bring balls of aluminum foil with them. When they went into the enemy territory they would throw them out of the cockpit window. The reason for this was to mask the identity of his plane since the radar at that time could not tell the difference between a plane a flock of birds or aluminum foil. Therefore by illustration Satan has thrown out thousands of religions calling themselves "Christian" and yet only a handful of other sects of other religions. So Satan knows the true religion is one of Christianity's faiths since he is trying to hide it like a needle in a haystack. There are over 2,000 sects of Christianity but how many different Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are there? Something to think about.

In regards to chronology even Russell said very early on that "there is always some possibility of mistakes" so it is a fluid subject based upon what you have to work with. For example is the date 1925 calculation was actually based on a "poor translation from the KJV" of Ushers Chronology that made the date wrong but they didn't figure that out until 1943 [which helped develop the early mss for NWT] when archaeological discoveries helped formulate a more accurate chronology regarding times around the exile period. The point was they were trying to keep people's sense of urgency that Christendom long lost just as the Generation thing does today. Hard to "keep on the watch" if you think the end is not anytime close. Sorry for going a bit off topic

Fortunately since we are all imperfect the criteria for identifying true religion is "Love one another" not a belief in any particular doctrine's substance [such as the meaning of generation] since they can be in many cases subject to change. Jn. 13:35. And since nearly all religions kill each other when a country goes to war that would identify the ones who do not as standing out by that mark. Of course there are other identifying marks but that one [love] is also involved in all the rest as a DNA of evidence for the true faith. In my opinion Jehovah's Witnesses is that faith.

Perfect analogy. So if your wife burns your food what is your attitude toward your wife? Do you beat her over the head with the burnt food or do you thank her and be patient with her for trying her best as an imperfect person? Mt. 24:49!!! "Love is PATIENT and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things8 Love never fails." 1 Cor. 13. But what if the spiritual food gives you an upset stomach? Or you do not like the taste of it? "Whether good OR bad, we will OBEY the voice of JEHOVAH our God," Jer. 42:6 " Be OBEDIENT to those who are taking the lead among you and be SUBMISSIVE" Heb 13:17.

Funny how you thought that Scripture was actually about YOU. LOL Have a nice time dabating with yourself.

I agree with Eoin time to move on as this is like watching a squirrel crossing the road. "HAPPY is the people for whom it is this way! HAPPY is the people whose God is JEHOVAH"! PSALM 144:15.

"If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth." 1 Tim 6:3-5.

This is in Russian but you don't need to understand Russian to see what is going on here. https://jw-russia.org/news/17062022-182.html

No need to be unhappy, just don't complain so much. Its all about your frame of mind " Do EVERYTHING without COMPLAINING and ARGUING", Phil 2:14 " HAPPY is the people for whom it is this way! HAPPY is the people whose God is JEHOVAH"! PSALM 144:15.

That is true that it is all about who has the True Religion. If you think we do not then why are you here??? There are thousands of religions yet you are HERE !!! LOL ONE true faith as you say yet YOU are HERE tells me all I have to know. You can obey your god and doctrines of men but: "Whether good OR bad, we will OBEY the voice of JEHOVAH our God," Jer. 42:6

Of course. "Whether good OR bad, we will OBEY the voice of Jehovah our God," Jer. 42:6 Be OBEDIENT to those who are taking the lead among you and be SUBMISSIVE" Heb 13:17. " Do EVERYTHING without COMPLAINING and ARGUING", Phil 2:14