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Agree it is simple so simple a 5 year old can understand it. Yet some 5 yr. olds apparently cannot. bruceq said: "Simplicity is key although some apostates may try to confuse and make light of this simple illustration with apparent words of worldy wisdom and drivel - just wait and see if it happens" And behold it just happened in the previous post. “I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectuals I will reject.” 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this system of things? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not get to know God through its wisdom, God was pleased through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing...but God chose the foolish things of the world to put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world to put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the insignificant things of the world and the things looked down on, the things that are not, to bring to nothing the things that are." 1 Cor. 1:19-28. PeterR : "I dare say you'd squeeze your version of it past an average 5 year old though. I can't argue with that. {look at next post lol} Thank you, Jesus also agrees with the teaching methods of Jehovah's Witnesses: "At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved." Matt 11:25,26. Tom: Thanks a lot for the link to your book. Your doing a good job not getting any vomit on you from the vomiting dogs ie. 2 PeterR 2:22, Rev. 22:15.

I'm thinking out loud a bit but this is how I have explained it in under a minute: {Simplicity is key although some apostates may try to confuse and make light of this simple illustration with apparent words of worldy wisdom and drivel - just wait and see if it happens}: Lets say a child is born in the year 1996 and starts school in the year 2001. In that year he sees the event of 911. He ends his school age in the year 2013 however another child begins school in the year 2013. That child did NOT witness the event of 911 however for a time isn't both students actually "students" in school and therefore of a particular school age or "generation"? Is this not an example of an "overlap generation'? A child starting school in 2014 would NOT be of THAT contemporary generation [contemporary to the 911 event of the students]. Now many other generations can overlap with this one but the pivotal point is the event of 911. It seems so simple to me. And if you ask the 5 year old : Who is a student in school at this time in the year 2013? Even he can figure out it is not just the one in first grade but also the one in 12th grade. Whereas a student beginning school in 2017 would not have witnessed the event of 911 as a student nor be a contemporary of the 2001 student but would be a contemporary of the 2013 student, his overlap is not related to the event of 911. So of course there can be and is many overlaps but only one overlap is the generation of being a student regarding the pivotal year of 911.

Jehovah's Witnesses in Orel help clean up city WHILE LANGUISHING IN SIZO, DENNIS CHRISTENSEN AND HIS FELLOW BELIEVERS RECEIVE THANKS FROM LOCAL AUTHORITIES Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, 14 June 2017 Authorities of the city of Orel awarded recognition to local Jehovah's Witnesses for their active participation in cleaning up trash from the territory of the city. The believers were scheduled to receive thanks from the city administration and a gift book with the inscription: "In gratitude for good work—cleaning up trash for the benefit of people and nature." The precious gift was signed by the city administration. Wherever they live, Jehovah's Witnesses strive to provide benefit for neighbors not only by distribution of biblical knowledge but also by participation in various forms of socially useful activity. This is also the civic position of Dennis Christensen, one of the Orel Jehovah's Witnesses who participated actively in the clean up. Standing knee-deep in the cold waters of the river Orlik, he used a net to pull trash from the river. All the work was conducted without pay. In view of this, it seems especially paradoxical that Christensen has languished for almost three weeks now in the city SIZO [pre-trial investigation cell] on the basis of falsified charges of organizing an extremist society. Believers are dumbfounded that it was this society that, in the opinion of city authorities, produced a benefit for the city. Cleaning up trash was the last good deed that Dennis managed to do while at liberty. It is noteworthy that a representative of the Orel administration sympathized with the Jehovah's Witnesses because of the religious persecutions in the country and urged them not to lose heart. (tr. by PDS, posted 17 June 2017) http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170613a.html

JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES IN RUSSIA RECEIVE PARENTING AWARDS FROM PUTIN, SPARKING HOPE ON BAN APPEAL BY JASON LE MIERE ON 6/15/17 AT 5:06 PM Russia Bans Jehovah's Witnesses WORLDJEHOVAH'S WITNESSESVLADIMIR PUTIN Just six weeks after Russia’s Supreme Court banned the practicing of their religion, two Jehovah’s Witnesses were given a parenting award by Russian President Vladimir Putin. The surprising move has fueled hope that the court could overturn the ruling that the Christian denomination constituted an “extremist” group when an appeal verdict is announced Saturday. “We view this award as an acknowledgment that the free Bible education provided by Jehovah’s Witnesses helps parents and their children to be productive citizens not only in Russia but all over the world,” David A. Semonian, a spokesman for Jehovah’s Witnesses at their world headquarters in New York, said in a statement last week. “We hope that this award presented by President Putin is considered on July 17, 2017, when the Russian Supreme Court reviews the decision to liquidate the Administrative Center of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia.” Valeriy and Tatiana Novik, from Karelia in the northwest of Russia, were given the Order of “Parental Glory,” bestowed annually to parents who are deemed to have raised seven or more children with “due care for their health, education and physical, spiritual and moral development.” The Noviks, who have eight children, were one of eight couples bestowed the award in a ceremony on May 31. “Families like yours, large and full of generous parental love, embody centuries-old traditions of empathy and kindness, show through their example that no obstacles stand before the desire to act constructively and do good, and offer beacons for those reflecting on their own choice of future road,” Putin said at the ceremony. It was on April 20 that Russia’s Supreme Court banned Jehovah’s Witnesses under the country’s anti-extremism law, liquidating all 395 of its local religious chapters and preventing its 175,000 members from attending worship meetings. In the time since, Jehovah’s Witnesses have faced harassment from police and violent attacks from the public. Jehovah's Witnesses sing at a meeting in Russia. Two Jehovah's Witnesses were recently given a prestigious parenting award, despite the group being regarded as "extremist."COURTESY OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Just prior to the parenting award being handed out, a Danish Jehovah’s Witness was arrestedin the Russian city Oryol for attending a private meeting of the group. He is now facing up to 10 years in prison. The decision to ban Jehovah’s Witnesses, according to the group’s Russian spokesman, Yaroslav Sivulskiy, did not come down to the evidence heard or the will of the court, but to politics. “It’s not this court, it’s not about justice, it’s not about a fair court hearing because even everyone who observed it said we won already, but even so we lost,” Sivulskiy told Newsweeklast month. “We have no big hope for the next level, only if some political wind will change somehow.” The religion of the Noviks was not brought up in the Kremlin’s reporting of the award—nor, the parents said, was it broached in their discussion with Putin. “There wasn't much time,” Valeriy Novik, a mechanic, told Radio Liberty’s Russian service this week. “You couldn't say everything. And I wanted to treat the head of state respectfully. A leader is a leader and we have to respect that. You don't express your problems, your complaints to him.”

Languishing in jail Dennis Christensen and his co-religionists have gained appreciation from the local authorities June 14, 2017 Photo collage: cleaning of the territory in the city of Eagle and Dennis Christensen The City of Eagle was awarded the local Jehovah's Witnesses for their active participation in cleaning the city from garbage. Believers have been nice to get appreciation from the city and a gift from the administration's signature: "In gratitude for a good deed - garbage collection for the benefit of people and nature." Signature on a gift from the city administration Jehovah's Witnesses, wherever they live, tend to benefit neighbors not only the spread of Bible knowledge, but also participation in various forms of socially useful activity. The same is citizenship and Dennis Christensen - one of the Oryol Jehovah's Witnesses, who were actively involved in cleaning.Standing foot in cold water Orlik River, it pulled out of a net river trash. All work was carried out free of charge. In view of this particularly ironic look that Christensen had almost three weeks languishing in the city jail on false charges of organizing an extremist community. Believers are in disbelief, because, according to city officials, this is the community benefit the city. Garbage collection was the last good thing Dennis that he had to do, while at liberty. It is noteworthy that the representative of the administration of the Eagle was sympathetic to Jehovah's Witnesses because of religious persecution in the country and wished them not to lose the power of the spirit. https://jw-russia.org/news/17061415-180.html

Just a bit critical and unhappy. Try this: " Do EVERYTHING without COMPLAINING and ARGUING", Phil 2:14 " HAPPY is the people for whom it is this way! HAPPY is the people whose God is JEHOVAH"! PSALM 144:15.

Why be an unhappy Holly " Happy is the people for whom it is this way! Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah"! PSALM 144:15.

OBEY the Word of God: { WE MUST OBEY GOD AS RULER RATHER THAN MEN}. But some apostates would rather follow men or themselves who are governed by fleshly veiwpoints. "I know that after my going away OPPRESSIVE wolves will enter in among you+ and will not TREAT the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak TWISTED things to draw away the disciples AFTER THEMSELVES". Acts 20:29,30 "ALL Scripture is inspired of God+and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, COMPLETELY EQUIPPED for every good work." 2 Tim 3:16. Be OBEDIENT to those who are taking the lead among you and be SUBMISSIVE" Heb 13:17. " Do EVERYTHING without COMPLAINING and ARGUING", Phil 2:14

Human standards and practices are always inferior to Jehovah's standards. God's Word endures forever the countries laws that you may follow do not. Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood, but the LAW said that was wrong. Would you obey Jesus and be submissive even if you do not understand the reason for it? "All Scripture is inspired of God+and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." 2 Tim 3:16. Be OBEDIENT to those who are taking the lead among you and be SUBMISSIVE" Heb 13:17.

Get out the bug spray. I had a cousin once who was an Elder back in the late 70's who turned apostate around 1980 same time as Ray Franz and after that he and a bunch of buddies use to picket at our District Convention every year then they all stopped coming around 1983. The reason? Well his name came up in the newspaper for being a john for a prostitute. And for some reason they went away. LOL I am guessing the lies and hypocrisy of apostates are not confined to Dvorkin and the anti-cultist apostates in Russia.They will all be revealed soon enough. Birds of a feather flock together.

A letter is quite different than killing someone because you think God is on your side. duh If you would like to start another thread on another topic you may do so. But on the topic of the Trinity could someone please prove from the Bible that God is a Trinity??? I realize of course when someone cannot prove something they resort to changing the subject or making things up that are not the subject under consideration but why can't you Trinitarians just stay on topic and prove that God is a Trinity? Can't you prove the very FOUNDATION AND CENTRAL DOCTRINE of your belief in God, it should not be that difficult??? "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews." John 4:22; 17:3. And on the off topic section: Which side was the Trinity on if the followers of the Trinity were on BOTH the losing and winning side LOL I suppose one part of your false god was on the winning side and one part was on the losing side. So which part lost ? The Father, Son or Holy Spirit? So I guess the third part of your Trinity was a referee??? So which part of the Trinity lost the war ? The Father, Son or Holy Spirit? Still waiting for an answer . LOL

I agree that Catholics and Protestants do not know God and He is a mystery to them. That is why they are a false religion for Jesus said: "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews." John 4:22; 17:3. And Jesus as well as all the Bible writers were JEWS and they know God is not a Trinity as JESUS said. Jesus TRUE followers therefore would believe as HE DOES in GOD. Not as a three in one but as only ONE GOD for Jesus and the Bible writers were Jews. Deut. 4:4

So which part of the Trinity lost the war ? The Father, Son or Holy Spirit? Still waiting for an answer. LOL

This reminds me of a squirrel trying to cross a road.

Which side was the Trinity on if the followers of the Trinity were on BOTH the losing and winning side LOL I suppose one part of your false god was on the winning side and one part was on the losing side. So which part lost ? The Father, Son or Holy Spirit? So I guess the third part of your Trinity was a referee???

We will not fight anymore than we will at Armageddon - it is God's War. It is true that Trinitarians have killed other Trinitarians during warfare over the Centuries of time. As is true of many followers of false gods. The true God is a God of love and his followers would "love one another" not kill one another as Satan's Children do and as Catholics and Protestants have done showing they worship a false god. John 13:34,35.

I see you still have not given any Scripture to prove the Trinity. All the Scriptures you have given were all written by Jews and Jews do not believe in a Trinity. See how simple reasoning on the TRUTH is? So PLEASE try and give us a Scripture that proves the Trinity. From the BIBLE - Any Translation you want.

You can run away if you want but the TRUTH is still there : ALL the Apostles were Jews and they did believe in Christ who by the way was also a JEW who does not believe in a Trinity. See how simple the Truth is? You say you will share what he BIBLE says on your god but you have yet to show any Scripture at all to prove your false god of the Trinity is in the Bible. Still waiting.

You are right! The dead flies who jumped "ship" just attracted more flies only his "mates" left. Perfect illustration.

Do you LOVE your God? Then DEFEND him and don't run away. "Love+ is patient*+ and kind.+ Love is not jealous.+It does not brag, does not get puffed up,+ 5 does not behave indecently,*+ does not look for its own interests,+ does not become provoked.+ It does not keep account of the injury.*+6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness,+ but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things,+ believes all things,+ hopes all things,+ endures all things.+8 Love never fails" 1 Cor 13. "always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper+ and deep respect". 1 Pet 3:15. Do you have deep respect or do you grumble and try and lure others away from Jehovah and his Word? "dogma" ??? Is it not you who have to go OUTSIDE the Bible to find your false god of the Trinity? Micah said:" My only intention was to warn you" That is also what Korah's intention was and see how that worked out for him

Sorry but ALL the Apostles were Jews and they did believe in Christ who by the way was also a JEW who does not believe in a Trinity. LOL See how simple the Truth is? Oh please don't leave just because you cannot defend you false god. GIVE us a Scripture that teaches your Trinity doctrine. "You will KNOW the Truth, and the Truth will set you free" Jn 8:32

Oh and by the way angels in the Bible have also been called GOD even Jehovah God but that did not make them such

Glad to see you admit the Bible was written by Jews. Now take the next step: Obviously I do not dismiss the Bible and its teaching. You are by trying to say the Bible writer believes something that we all know they do not for Jews do not and have never believed that God is a Trinity yet you continue to use the Bible to try and find it. It is futile of you to do so, but please keep trying if you must as any operation has some pain with it. Don't shy away give us a Scripture that teaches a Trinity PLEASE. "1 Cor 12:3" Dosen't matter which Translation you use. That Scripture was still written by Paul and Paul was a Jew and Jews do not believe in a Trinity.

I quote the Bible as a WHOLE. Rather than pick it apart. " 1 Corinthians 12:3 "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit." Sorry but that Scripture was written by Paul and he was a JEW. And Jews do not believe in a Trinity. Please try again with another Scripture.

Lets see who else in the Bible DENIED Christ?