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    Witness got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
    Because of a false sense of peace, safety, security found by JWs as members of “Jehovah’s organization”, the type and source of persecution against them, is always directed to those on the outside of the organization, and not inside where spiritual “Jacob” resides among “Gentiles”. (1 Thess 5:2-3)   I’m not saying that JWs do not suffer persecution from governments.  Although, if persecution against them exists outside, is it possible that it exists inside JW walls in the environment of sin?  I believe no JW will say that discipline is needed – repentance of their own sins is needed, because they suffer from external sources.  No JW will link the corruption that flows from the spiritual in-house throne of those who rule over them, with the persecution they face outside the organization.  Although not announced, they will say, this is the great tribulation, and such suffering is to be expected!  It makes you wonder why the announcement hasn't occurred.  But, I am guessing  that one reason is that the GB say it will take "years" to complete their projects of videos on the the gospels about Jesus. Are they so side-tracked in this work, they are completely forgetting about the great tribulation and Armageddon?  Perhaps, they know the truth about who are, the target of the great tribulation.  (Mark 14:13-20)
    When Israel suffered at the hands of other nations, it was because of their own sins.  (Deut 31:17,18; Ps 44:17-24) Lamentations is the perfect example of suffering because of Israel’s sins. (Lam 2:8)  JWs are not fighting on the side of righteousness, when their house, their organization is filled with unrighteousness.  How blind, how foolish it is, to think that God is on their side, when His anointed people have allowed men to rule over them and replace His priesthood - His heritage, His chosen people. (Lam 1:10; 2:7; Ezek 44:6-9; Dan 11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10;1 Cor 3:16,17;  Rev 11:1,2)
    It is God’s people that must look at their own sins. 
    Psalm 94:
    Lord, God of vengeance—
    God of vengeance, shine!
    2 Rise up, Judge of the earth;
    repay the proud what they deserve.
    3 Lord, how long will the wicked—
    how long will the wicked celebrate?
    4 They pour out arrogant words;
    all the evildoers boast.
    5 Lord, they crush Your people;
    they oppress Your heritage.
    6 They kill the widow and the resident alien
    and murder the fatherless.
    7 They say, “The Lord doesn’t see it.
    The God of Jacob doesn’t pay attention.”
    8 Pay attention, you stupid people!
    Fools, when will you be wise?
    9 Can the one who shaped the ear not hear,
    the one who formed the eye not see?
    10 The one who instructs nations,
    the one who teaches mankind knowledge—
    does He not discipline?
    11 The Lord knows the thoughts of mankind;
    they are futile.
    12 Lord, how happy is anyone You discipline
    and teach from your law
    13 to give him relief from troubled times
    until a pit is dug for the wicked.
    14 The Lord will not leave His people
    or abandon His heritage,
    15 for the administration of justice will again be righteous,
    and all the upright in heart will follow it.
    16 Who stands up for me against the wicked?
    Who takes a stand for me against evildoers?
    17 If the Lord had not been my helper,
    I would soon rest in the silence of death.
    18 If I say, “My foot is slipping,”
    Your faithful love will support me, Lord.
    19 When I am filled with cares,
    Your comfort brings me joy.
    20 Can a corrupt throne be your ally,
    a throne that makes evil laws?
    21 They band together against the life of the righteous
    and condemn the innocent to death. (spiritual “killing”/disfellowshipping – Rev 11:1-3,7;13:15)
    22 But the Lord is my refuge;
    my God is the rock of my protection.
    23 He will pay them back for their sins
    and destroy them for their evil.
    The Lord our God will destroy them. 
     
    What's wrong with "peace and security"?
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Matt 24:25 – “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
    Mark 8:38 – “If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
    Luke 4:32 – “They were amazed at his teaching, because his words had authority.”
    Luke 6:47-49 – “As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
    I agree, but here is the confusion:
    This question expects one to dedicate their life to the organization and to the doctrine of the organization  - WORDS of men, whatever doctrine may come or go.  No one, as stated below, should dedicate themselves to a religion or an organization. 
    This is truth, but the LIE is practiced – a lie that is doctrine of men and not the words of Jesus Christ.
    2 Tim 4:3 - "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."  
    The Truth is found in the words of Jesus Christ.  
    2 Tim 2:15 - Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Conscience individual and collective   
    Matt 24:25 – “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
    Mark 8:38 – “If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
    Luke 4:32 – “They were amazed at his teaching, because his words had authority.”
    Luke 6:47-49 – “As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
    I agree, but here is the confusion:
    This question expects one to dedicate their life to the organization and to the doctrine of the organization  - WORDS of men, whatever doctrine may come or go.  No one, as stated below, should dedicate themselves to a religion or an organization. 
    This is truth, but the LIE is practiced – a lie that is doctrine of men and not the words of Jesus Christ.
    2 Tim 4:3 - "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."  
    The Truth is found in the words of Jesus Christ.  
    2 Tim 2:15 - Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    So, what the early disciples heard and followed, as the command of Jesus Christ, would identify them as serving “false religion”. You may want to unravel your own lie. 
    I am not saying that “every” word has to be spoken, but when the thrust of the command disintegrates, and a new “command” takes its place – a false religion becomes very evident.
    Wt 1955/7/1 p. 411 - "A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit." 
     Wt 1966 Oct 1 pp.603-604 - "We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization.
    Oh, but times have changed!  JWs DO dedicate themselves to both a religion and an organization.
    Wt 1985/7/1 p. 30 - “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?”
    The Holy Spirit is not mentioned.  No one then, was baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit.

    “The second is:
    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30
    There.  Christ’s command has disintegrated.  This is far from the “right heart condition” needed, to undergo the baptism that Christ outlined to his disciples.  It is the right heart condition that men require, for initiation into false religion.   These questions that one must agree to, is none other than deception.
    If there are excuses made for the questions, then whose commands are being upheld?  Those of powerful men, or those of Jesus Christ?  If a JW says, well I dedicated my life to God and Christ, and not to an organization";  then I ask, why are you a JW, and an "associate"/member of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    I really don't enjoy responding to your flammable messages, but you have just put your foot in your mouth, by aiding in validating JW idolatry.  
    This is the dedication made during JW baptism ceremony, which is IDOLATRY:
    “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    Is this organization the path of salvation?  Is it so sacred that it requires acknowledgement of your identity and dedication?  Your Wt quote says one should dedicate their lives to God.  Looks like their is a confusing issue here.  Why is it necessary to mention the organization during baptism? Does the idol need to be acknowledged?   This isn't what Jesus decreed.  
    We can let another Wt quote, clear it up:
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." wt/90/11/1
     
    What did Jesus say to do? What were his words?   Matt 28:19,20
    If one follows what Christ commanded, they are not the ones blaspheming against God's Holy Spirit.    
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    I don’t recall the apostles conforming to the belief of three major meetings per year.   Their goal was to make the effort to move away from such traditions. (Col 2:16,17)    I use to swallow down the idea that three yearly meeting were “biblical”, but with the coming of Jesus Christ and the “new” way to worship – in spirit and in truth – I now see the organization reverting right back to beliefs before Jesus came to earth.  Is Jesus the organization's stumbling block? Is it caught between a hybrid of worship involving the nation of Israel, and its temple worship and traditions, while refusing to accept and recognize the "temple" worship that involves "Israel"?
      The anointed since Christ, “Israel”, do not need to observe an earthly pattern of worship, but only the heavenly, involving the heavenly Temple, and not the earthly desires for “organization”.   (Heb 8:3-6; Col 3:2; 2:8) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    We need to keep in mind that God's dwelling/Temple today, has been trampled by men assuming to formulate their own form of worship.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    “When you come to appear before Me,
    Who has required this from your hand,
    To trample My courts?
    13 Bring no more futile sacrifices;
    Incense is an abomination to Me.
    The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
    I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
    14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
    My soul hates;
    They are a trouble to Me,
    I am weary of bearing them.
    15 When you spread out your hands,
    I will hide My eyes from you;
    Even though you make many prayers,
    I will not hear.
    Your hands are full of blood."  Isa 1:12-15
    Rev 16:4-7
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are You Suffering?   
    Not sure where you got that idea.  A physical building is not made with “living stones”.  You must have someone else in mind.    
    1 Pet 2:5 -  you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    The spiritual house is the Temple built on the Body of Christ.  The “living stones” are God’s priesthood, and the people belonging to God. (1 Pet 2:9,10)
    2 Cor 6:16 - And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
    Heb 8:10 – “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    Priests are to teach God’s laws:
    Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
    And people should seek the law from his mouth;
    For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
    To the physical Gentiles who became spiritual “Israel” –
    “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Eph 2:19-20
    This doesn’t talk about a physical, concrete building.  This indicates the members of Jesus’ spiritual Body/Temple/House and dwelling of God.
    Right!  Which means, there is no need for an earthly organization that requires maintenance, upkeep, servitude and obedience to men! God would not be dwelling in such "temples" made with hands.  (Acts 17:24,25)   That would not be the "in spirit and truth" of Jesus Christ, who said to "lay for ourselves, treasure in heaven", and not on earth.  Matt 6:19-21
    "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
    Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh." Col 2:16-23
    It is not in the future.  Each anointed one is sealed by Jesus Christ - even when he or she is still on the earth. (Eph 1:13,14)   The "seal" is the mark that identifies who that anointed one belongs to.  Your organization expects dedication to IT.  When we dedicate ourselves to an operation, an organization; we are recognized or "marked" as belonging to that entity. Can we bear two spiritual "marks"?  One of God, and one of a spiritual organization?  No.  The only requirement expected by God is our dedication to Him and Jesus Christ, as your scripture brings out in John 4:23,24
    Jer 31:33; Deut 11:18; Heb 8:10; Eph 1:13; Rev 14:1
    Mark of Slavery
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are You Suffering?   
    I don't hate you, but maybe you hate me for challenging your organization's doctrines - and your own doctrine.
    Slandering...these are the organization's baptism questions:
    (1)Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?” 

    (2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    In these words, Jesus is not directly recognized. He is mentioned in a roundabout way.   Are new members dedicating themselves to the Father and Jesus Christ?  Why isn’t the Holy Spirit – the Spirit of Truth – mentioned at all?(John 16:3)  Why does dedication to an organization take precedence over dedication to Jesus Christ, and recognition of God’s Holy Spirit in His Son? (John 15:26)
    Do you know that it is written in your magazine that the organization decided to put less emphasis on the name of Jesus and more emphasis on “Jehovah”?  So no, you do not preach in the name of Jesus Christ.  You do not preach that God’s anointed priesthood and members of Christ’s body are to be in subjection to him  only, but it is admonished that they must be in subjection to the elder body.  If the anointed members of Christ’s body are replaced by a counterfeit priesthood, then Jesus Christ is also “replaced” by a GB which requires dedication to their organization, and not to Jesus Christ.  (2 Thess 2:1-3; Rev 11:1,2)
    When Jesus came near, he spoke to them. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. 20 Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. 
    And remember that I am always with you until the end of time.”  Matt 28:19-20
    He spoke these words to the "living stones" - the foundations stones of the Temple built on his body. (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor 3:10-11) The orders were given specifically to them, which would also be given to any subsequent anointed ones brought into the Temple/dwelling of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  Who is it, that baptizes new JWs?  The appointed priests of "Israel",  or a counterfeit priesthood of elder "Gentiles"?  No wonder the baptism questions are not aligned with the command of Jesus Christ.  (Dan 11:36)
    If Jesus' name and the Temple of his Body is blasphemed, by ignoring his command,  so is the "name" and reputation of God.
    "And he (the Beast, the organization that requires dedication) was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him (the elder core of the organization) to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."  Rev 13:5-7
    Whatever you do, don't take "forty-two months" as literal.  Revelation is a symbolic book of signs.  (Rev 1:1)
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are You Suffering?   
    When was the last time JWs were reproached for the name of Christ?  They are reproached for the name of an organization and for the name attached to it - "Jehovah".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Conscience individual and collective   
    I really don't enjoy responding to your flammable messages, but you have just put your foot in your mouth, by aiding in validating JW idolatry.  
    This is the dedication made during JW baptism ceremony, which is IDOLATRY:
    “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
    Is this organization the path of salvation?  Is it so sacred that it requires acknowledgement of your identity and dedication?  Your Wt quote says one should dedicate their lives to God.  Looks like their is a confusing issue here.  Why is it necessary to mention the organization during baptism? Does the idol need to be acknowledged?   This isn't what Jesus decreed.  
    We can let another Wt quote, clear it up:
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." wt/90/11/1
     
    What did Jesus say to do? What were his words?   Matt 28:19,20
    If one follows what Christ commanded, they are not the ones blaspheming against God's Holy Spirit.    
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Conscience individual and collective   
    That if you aspire to be part of ‘massive building projects’, because “yes, building is a legacy of God’s people” (from the video explaining the making of Nehemiah), then you are serving "Jehovah" in a righteous manner?  And if a JW aspires to do these things, he (particularly) may find himself at the top of the hierarchy, where he can join the eight others to live out their building dreams – the work of their hands?
    Kenneth Cook Jr., an enigma when it comes to his anointing, is the latest to make the cut!  These examples of aspirations are much more important than to speak truth – also a mysterious enigma that comes and goes with the wind. 
    "House of Jacob,
    come and let’s walk in the Lord’s light.
    6 For you have abandoned your people,
    the house of Jacob,
    because they are full of divination from the East
    and of fortune-tellers like the Philistines.
    They are in league with foreigners.  (“Gentile” elder body ruling over the anointed Temple members 2 Thess 3,4)
    7 Their land is full of silver and gold,
    and there is no limit to their treasures;
    their land is full of horses,
    and there is no limit to their chariots.
    8 Their land is full of worthless idols;
    they worship the work of their hands,
    what their fingers have made.
    9 So humanity is brought low,
    and each person is humbled.
    Do not forgive them!
    10 Go into the rocks
    and hide in the dust
    from the terror of the Lord
    and from his majestic splendor.
    11 The pride of mankind will be humbled,
    and human loftiness will be brought low;
    the Lord alone will be exalted on that day.  Isa 2:7-11
    This is from Isa chapter 2, where it states that the “law” will go out from Zion; where people will stream to God’s Temple. (Isa 2:2,3;27:12,13)  That Temple is built with “living stones” of faithful ones of “Jacob”, of “Israel”. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Yet, as we see fulfilled in this prophesy for our day, the major House of Jacob is reveling in the work of their hands. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) 
    “Israel, even if your people were as numerous as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction has been decreed; justice overflows.”  Isa 10:22
    “ Then the kings of the earth, (Rev 1:5) the nobles, the generals, the rich, the powerful, and every slave and free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come! And who is able to stand?” Rev 6:15-17
    The “mountains” and the “rocks”:  the anointed are “living stones” of Mt Zion; the “Gentile” elders and prominent leaders are “rocks”/exalted ”mountains”/rulers of a “mountain-like organization”.  (Rev 8:8; Zech 4:6,7
     
    Sorry, got carried away, but you are right on. 
     
    YHVH's Genuine Mountain
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Exactly, you have to think of it like I do when I see the 'Victims of Child Sexual Abuse'.  It doesn't matter if JW Org is 'mostly peaceful'  when you or your children have been sexually abused by a JW Elder or M/S.  On the whole, JW Org is a failure.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Conscience individual and collective   
    Really. I wonder what your definition of "apostate" is; someone who rejects the Wt, or someone who rejects God and Christ.  Or, do you meld the two together which defines the person leaving the organization as unable to lead a moral or religious life?  
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    Witness got a reaction from TheNonstoptheo in Conscience individual and collective   
    Really. I wonder what your definition of "apostate" is; someone who rejects the Wt, or someone who rejects God and Christ.  Or, do you meld the two together which defines the person leaving the organization as unable to lead a moral or religious life?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    I am amazed at the many fingers of delusion in the organization.  The belief system remains intact in the majority of JW minds, no matter what “delusion” is presented, temporarily established, and then later rejected.  The main delusion, the inner core of the organization’s existence as reality and approved by God, is…as 2 Thess 2:11 says, “powerful”.
    “Delusion” - Delusions are characterized by an unshakable belief in things that are not true, and often, there is a continued belief in the delusion despite contrary evidence. Not all delusions are the same.
    A few types:
    Erotomanic
    In this type of delusion, individuals believe that a person—usually with a higher social standing—is in love with them. 
    “The GB loves you very much!”
    Grandiose
    In grandiose delusions, individuals believe they have extraordinary talent, fame, wealth, or power despite the lack of evidence. An instance of this type of delusion would be someone who believes God gave them the power to save the universe  organization, and every day they complete certain tasks that will help the planet  organization continue on.
    Persecutory
    Individuals with persecutory delusions believe they are being spied on, drugged, followed, slandered, cheated on, or somehow mistreated. 
    “Despicable apostates" – “their finally gonna be gone, all these despicable enemies that have just reproached Jehovah’s name, destroyed; never ever to live again”.
    “It’s important for anyone experiencing delusions to seek professional help. This can be especially challenging, however, since people experiencing delusions often don't think of their beliefs as a problem because, by definition, the person experiencing delusions believes their experience to be fact.  Consequently, it is often concerned loved ones who must bring the issue to the attention of a healthcare professional.” https://www.verywellmind.com/definition-of-delusion-4580458#:~:text=Delusions are characterized by an,theoretically occur in real life.
     
    Jer 14:14 - Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
    “delusions”:  H457 - “a thing of nought” - good for nothing, by analogy vain or vanity; specifically an idol:—idol, no value, thing of nought.
    The organization as an idol – “good for nothing”.  If it was good for something, the fingers of over 100 years of delusionary teachings, wouldn’t exist. 
    I know, but what about the preaching work, spreading the "good news of the kingdom"?  It is never good news to lead people into an organization where it is historically proven, that delusions have existed and will continue to exist.  Truth can never be established on delusions!   
    2 Thess 2:9-12 - "The coming of the lawless one…(that tramples down the anointed Temple of God – 2 Thess 2:3,4) will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth - the reality - and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth – the reality -  but have delighted in wickedness."
    “delusion” – G4108 - objectively, fraudulence; subjectively, a straying from orthodoxy or piety:—deceit, to deceive, delusion, error.
    Deception, delusion, error.  Which one does the GB admit to?  They admit to the one that people who refuse to look at reality, excuse them for.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez   
    Okay then.  I guess we'll see if your "fruit" remains - if it proves to be true; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  🙂    1 John 4:1
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    Just another thought.  Did the Wt. retract their "news" (hogwash) about God sending a typhoon to Micronesia?  I haven't seen a retraction as of yet. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    @TrueTomHarley, If you'll remember at the outset, I said:
    If I was weaselly, I would not have brought the correction to this forum that the Australian made, as soon as I saw it.
    These words, I will always stand by:
    And:
    Mark 4:14 - "For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open."
    For you, is it more important that article turned out to be wrong than the whole reason that the Wt dragged its feet before joining the redress scheme?  Were you quiet when you learned that the WT caved at the last minute simply because they would lose money otherwise? Did you write about it?  Did you make excuses for them?  The victims do not matter.  
    News, truly it is not always trustworthy.  Much like the news from Micronesia a while back, in need of sand to build a kingdom hall.  Next thing you know, God sends a typhoon and lo and behold...sand in abundance!   But, your god must be fickle, since another typhoon took the lives of JWs who took refuge in a kingdom hall in the Philippines.  
    Perhaps if you write about it, you can make sense of the contradiction.  Just maybe, you will spot the false news, now that more news about typhoons and kingdom halls, has emerged.  
  19. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    What will become of this forum once Cesar Chavez/Billy the Kid/Allen Smith/Felix the Cat/....etc...
    ...finally explodes?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    Anyone can make a court case and still lie, still cover their sins.  See the video.
    Firstly, if the Wt is hiding pertinent information, and it is found out, would the treatment doled out on them, be unfair?  Wt fights tooth and nail, whether they are right or wrong.       
    1 Cor 6:7 - Actually, if you are bringing lawsuits against each other, it is already a defeat for you. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    I didn't write the heading.  I provided the link where you can find it.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    "For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be brought to light."  Mark 4:22
    Then perhaps they could be transparent, instead of "opaque".  What do they have to hide?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    Jehovah’s Witnesses facing tax turmoil
    The secretive Christian group has begun legal action against the charity watchdog after it quietly revoked the organisation’s tax-exempt status over concerns with its opaque global structure.   https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?offerset=ta_4for4_premium&sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnation%2Fjehovahs-witnesses-facing-tax-turmoil%2Fnews-story%2F64acd93d531eb6b7301dda758e7ee2ff&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&adobe_mc_sdid=SDID%3D7EC7ED7628D12DA5-58A80C25FED2095D|MCORGID%3D5FE61C8B533204850A490D4D%40AdobeOrg|TS%3D1618785359&adobe_mc_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
    I received this alert in my Google feed as well as the exjw who posted it.  I am not getting a subscription to the Australian newspaper to verify the article.  I'll leave that up to the readers here. I am sure it will come out in other news sites soon.  As usual, the organization puts money ahead of the lives of individuals.
    This is the copied article supplied by the exjw:
    The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog after it ­revoked the organisation’s tax-­exempt status over concerns with the religion’s opaque global donations structure and alleged failure to protect vulnerable people.
    The organisation’s charitable arm, the Watchtower Bible and Tract ­Society of Australia, which posted an income of $32m in the year to August 31, has been ­accused of pushing cash offshore after directors splashed $16m of its total expenses on undisclosed­ ­donations and “overseas aid”.
    The Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission informed Watchtower in November of its intention to revoke the ­organisation’s charity status, citing a litany of concerns about alleged contraventions of the Corporations Act and a failure to comply with a host of governance and conduct standards.
    Lawyer and abuse survivor Alec Spencer, a PhD candidate at James Cook University, said the ACNC’s decision was comparable to the abolition of the so-called “Ellis defence” in NSW in 2018, which ended the Catholic Church’s long-standing immunity to lawsuits.
    “If registration were to be removed, it would serve as a wake-up call for many other religious charities who have systemically failed to protect sexually abused children,” he said.
    “The removal of charitable registration would be an extraordinary outcome, both for the commission and the religious charity sector in particular.”
    The charity, which is seeking judicial review of the ACNC’s ­decision in the Federal Court, has been accused of “operating outside of Australia” and breaching its requirement to protect vulnerable people, including children, when conducting operations overseas.
    In a statement, Watchtower ­director Terry O’Brien denied the ACNC had moved to strip the ­organisation of its charity registration. “The ACNC has assured the ­directors that they do not intend to revoke Watchtower Australia’s charity status,” Mr O’Brien said.
    However, court documents filed last week reveal the ACNC sent a notice to revoke Watchtower’s charity registration to the group’s directors in November.
    The ACNC has accused Watchtower’s directors of failing to comply with key conduct standards, including a requirement to disclose conflicts of interest and a requirement to protect children who are accessing benefits under the charity’s programs.
    If the court upholds the ACNC’s decision, Watchtower will lose its status as a registered charity and will not be entitled to receive tax concessions, including lucrative tax breaks.
    According to an application for judicial review filed by Watch­tower, the ACNC’s decision is ­“unlawful” and an “unreasonable and inappropriate exercise” of its discretion.
    The organisation, which has nearly 70,000 members in Australia, has allocated almost $120m from 2014-20 to “donations and overseas aid”.
    “As a donor, I would be very troubled by this,” Mr Spencer said. “And as a regulator, their hands are tied due to the differential treatment bestowed on basic ­religious charities.
    “The ACNC could deregister a charity but the decision and why that occurs is not disclosed,” he said. “It allows them to operate in a cloud of secrecy.”
    Watchtower argues that the decision contains multiple errors of law, including that the legislation confers “no function with respect to child protection” on the ACNC.
    The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse warned that there were systemic problems within the ­Jehovah’s Witness religion in dealing with abuse, including a failure to report credible alle­gations to the police.
    The commission heard Jehovah’s Witnesses had documen­tation of abuse allegations by 1800 children involving more than 1000 perpetrators since 1950.
    Former church member and child abuse survivor Lara Kaput said revocation of Watchtower’s charity status would be a “watershed moment” if it were upheld by the Federal Court.
    “They were reticent to revoke their charity status because the charity commission knew it would set a precedent, and they don’t want that to happen,” Ms Kaput said.
    An ACNC spokeswoman said it was unable to comment on the “particular circumstances of a charity” and whether or not a charity was being investigated.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    Just another thought.  Did the Wt. retract their "news" (hogwash) about God sending a typhoon to Micronesia?  I haven't seen a retraction as of yet. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken legal action against Australia’s charity watchdog...   
    @TrueTomHarley, If you'll remember at the outset, I said:
    If I was weaselly, I would not have brought the correction to this forum that the Australian made, as soon as I saw it.
    These words, I will always stand by:
    And:
    Mark 4:14 - "For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open."
    For you, is it more important that article turned out to be wrong than the whole reason that the Wt dragged its feet before joining the redress scheme?  Were you quiet when you learned that the WT caved at the last minute simply because they would lose money otherwise? Did you write about it?  Did you make excuses for them?  The victims do not matter.  
    News, truly it is not always trustworthy.  Much like the news from Micronesia a while back, in need of sand to build a kingdom hall.  Next thing you know, God sends a typhoon and lo and behold...sand in abundance!   But, your god must be fickle, since another typhoon took the lives of JWs who took refuge in a kingdom hall in the Philippines.  
    Perhaps if you write about it, you can make sense of the contradiction.  Just maybe, you will spot the false news, now that more news about typhoons and kingdom halls, has emerged.  
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