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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    As @Outta Here give information, WT have various Bible versions,  translations.
    But only last edition have to be count as "best Bible" :))) and to be use for spreading "spiritual food" aka truth that leads to eternal life. Yes, he must be right. You can read whatever Bible Translation you like, but confirmation about what is meaning of text need to be made by Watchtower study edition. ;)) 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    Is this internet page approved by GB and WT? Does WT endorse JW's to go on Biblehub or to go only to official JW org sites that have best bible translation and brand new interpretations ? :)))) 
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Exactly.
    A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.  Luke 22:24-27
    This is the pattern the Watchtower GB and elders, follow.  They have ignored, denied the words of Christ.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    They already have denied Jesus "three times", since they deny the anointed members of his Body.  If the members are silenced, so is the Head.  A working body requires the mobility of all of its members.  Jesus expects his members to work in the capacity God gave them.  (1 Cor chapter 12)  He expects them to listen to him and not men who appear to be equal, but are in fact, proving their hate for those in Christ; thus showing no respect for their head, Jesus Christ. 
    In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.  For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,  not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.  1 John 3:10,11
    Murder these days, is called disfellowshipping; a hypocritical act of "love".  Rev 13:11,12,15  The GB has created a guillotine machine of rules where any who reject them are easily "killed" by their army of henchmen.  
    Nowhere in Jesus' words, does it say that one member of his body has the ability to cut off the other from his own body.  
    That would be God's job.
    With the power bestowed on them by the GB, their henchman fully apply their power to "kill" God's priesthood/"living stones.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17
    “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means.  Dan 8:25
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    Perhaps so, in a fleshly way!  
    In its simplest form, I understand WT’s ideology on “organization” as two-fold.  Both the “earthly” (in the form of the WT) and the “heavenly” where the anointed are, with both systems reflecting each other. Yet, on the earth, the elders are the “princes” and apparently the priests.   In a literal one-place heaven, the anointed are the kings/priests. I see them mirroring each other in a sense, with God and Jesus supposedly over all.  There is little to none information, especially recently, of the anointed as God’s temple.  That would detract from their doctrine that the earthly organization is a facet of God’s encompassing organization.  The word “temple” and its spiritual meaning escapes the minds of JWs.  JWs are now being told that they are part of that temple; especially helpful in this, is their standing doctrine of the “great crowd” with every JW as part of that. (Rev 7:9,10,13-15)
    When the scriptures speak of the 144,000 sitting on thrones, I view it as their literal understanding of what it must be like; well structured according to our earthly terms.  This is from the minds of earthly men, not from spiritual men. 
    “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”  1 Cor 2:14
    Heaven cannot be defined as one place.  It is a spiritual existence.  When Jesus was resurrected, he appeared and disappeared among his disciples, before he “ascended” or rose to that spiritual existence, until the time of the end when he will again, be seen on the earth.  Under the New Covenant, this is no different than what his angel servants/members of his body – his Bride – will experience in the Kingdom. They have within them a spirit life, and their humanly life.
    “Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.”  John 3:6
    The members of the new creation are both this spiritual state of “heaven” and of the fleshly state of “earth”.  They are the firstborn of “righteous” children in God’s Kingdom, and the first after Christ, to inherit the earth.  Ps 37:11 They are patterned after Christ, not Adam.  2 Pet 3:13,14; 1:4
    Those of the “second resurrection” also will receive their inheritance of the earth. 
     
    "sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written, The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is* from heaven. 48 Like the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; like the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven." 1 Cor 15:4-49
    This describes the new “heaven” and the new “earth”. 
    Isa 65:17; Rev 21:1,5
    The priests with Christ will “hear” God’s word, and together will relay it to all of His children, who will be resurrected onto the earth.  (Mal 2:7)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    They already have denied Jesus "three times", since they deny the anointed members of his Body.  If the members are silenced, so is the Head.  A working body requires the mobility of all of its members.  Jesus expects his members to work in the capacity God gave them.  (1 Cor chapter 12)  He expects them to listen to him and not men who appear to be equal, but are in fact, proving their hate for those in Christ; thus showing no respect for their head, Jesus Christ. 
    In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.  For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,  not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.  1 John 3:10,11
    Murder these days, is called disfellowshipping; a hypocritical act of "love".  Rev 13:11,12,15  The GB has created a guillotine machine of rules where any who reject them are easily "killed" by their army of henchmen.  
    Nowhere in Jesus' words, does it say that one member of his body has the ability to cut off the other from his own body.  
    That would be God's job.
    With the power bestowed on them by the GB, their henchman fully apply their power to "kill" God's priesthood/"living stones.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17
    “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means.  Dan 8:25
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    They will not deny Jesus 3 times ...
    But they will deny, renounce OWN Theology,  more than 3 times for the same doctrine.
    And at the same time they will claim that their theology has always been the theology of Jesus ....each time, at each change. :))
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    My older brother and I visited a house in service (in Missouri) in 1964 where a 104 year old man remembered the civil war and told us about how his relatives died, how two of their three slaves ran away, and how he remembers his father coming home from the fighting when he was about 5. We returned several times to offer him the magazines nearly up until the time he died in about 1966. 
    I am so glad that I can say I am part of the U.S. Civil War generation.
    You say I am stuck on the date 1914, when I should be stuck on the generation of 1914. But you also say that you understand my thinking because "neither do I accept 1914."
    That inherent contradiction of yours says a lot to me. It says that the reason I don't accept that this generation is in large part because I don't accept 1914. The corollary, of course, is that the reason people accept the stretching of the generation to as much as 180 years, is because they accept 1914. In other words, this stretching of the definition is only true for people who accept 1914. If I accepted it, then whatever people say in support of it will always be true, even if it would otherwise be false. 😊
    As you showed, the staggered generation is from some starting point and can go 90 years back and 90 years forward, for example, for a total of 180 years. Therefore those who discerned the sign in 1914 could have been born up to 90 years before, and lived to up to 90 years after. I have no problem with the 180 years of a staggered generation. The generation that discerned a sign in 1914 could run out as late as 2004 (or 1994 if they had to be at least 10 in 1914 to "discern," or 1989 if they had to be at least 15 in 1914 to be "anointed").
    Also, tt was not me who said that the generation was about anointed persons who could discern the sign in 1914. Brother Splane was the one stuck on that 1914 date. By the way, I think it's revealing that Brother Splane didn't consider this new "generation" theory very seriously before presenting it. Otherwise he would not have used a scripture in Exodus that doesn't support his view, and he also would likely have noticed that his chart has a glaring error on it. It shows that "this generation" is passing away well before the great tribulation starts, when the entire point is that the great tribulation can't happen before this generation passes away. It depicts only anointed who are not part of group one or group two living at the time the great tribulation begins. To me, it's just a mistake, but it shows that he took his focus off the scripture that shows the exact opposite of what his chart depicts.
    I believe 100 percent in the generation of 1914, and that it could represent as much as 180 years worth of a staggered generation. There were grandparents and great grandparents who could perceive the signs of war and pestilence during that WW1 period. Their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren who were also alive and growing up in 1914 could go on living for another 90 years or so, too. They can all legitimately be called a part of that generation, even though it's already a stretch to say that  "the generation" is still alive when 95 percent of it had already died before 1990.
    This is why I mentioned the civil war generation above. You are part of the post WW2 generation, and you were also alive when persons saw the Civil War. Therefore if there were anointed brothers alive during the civil war, you are part of the Civil War generation too. You will probably claim that I am being ridiculous, but it is to help us think whether there is any point at which we would have balked at this explanation. If, by special mightiness, you are still alive in 2042 and the end has not come by then, does the existence of the FDS and the preaching work mean that you are still in the 1914 generation no matter what?
    At what point in the future, if any, would the definition no longer be valid? 2033, 2042, 2050?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    God is "over all". 
    Human, angels, 144000 are not. Or?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I am generation of communist era, and i am generation of post communist era. I am affected with feudalism. And capitalism too, because they invented private property and market economy philosophy. 
    Oh no, private property and market economy draws its roots from "paganism". And all what have "pagan origins" are forbidden for Christians aka JW members. Well WTJWorg must reconsider their Legal Status, because of "pagan origins" of secular laws. :)) 
    But i am also affected by US Civil war, and affected by volcano Vesuvius, especially after the 79 AD eruption. :))
    All what was written (and we inform ourselves about it) about every events in the past and present make us to be "generation of that something". :))
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I'm glad 1914 and the generation do not really matter, because this is becoming a farce. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    The anointed are the new creation. (2 Cor 5:17; 1 Pet 1:23)They will reign on the earth as priests and kings, as well as have access to "heaven'.  That is why they are a "new creation", both human and angel.  (1 Cor 15:44)   God's word is reliable and this is backed up by the promise given to Jacob (Israel) and to his seed:
    "Now Jacob went out from Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11 So he came to a certain place and stayed there all night, because the sun had set. And he took one of the stones of that place and put it at his head, and he lay down in that place to sleep. 12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
    13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you.”
    16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.” 17 And he was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven!”
    If the priests are to teach the people (Mal 2:7), how can they do so if they are not among them?  The WT has devised a conception of the "144,000" as clones, men, with beards, looking down from heaven unable to enjoy their inheritance. To me, this is Satan making jest of God's new creation.   Since the WT has "trampled" the anointed as it is, why not fill every JW mind with as many lies as they can, about the role of the anointed?  Why not wipe away the individuality and personalities of His priests, not only now as an unrecognizable "nation" presently, but by creating a blasphemous picture of the 144,000 looking exactly the same -  in face, clothing and sex.  Sheesh.  They might as well be some sort of heavenly robot.  
    Jesus also spoke of this ladder:
    And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”   John 1:51
    Mal 2:7 states that the priests are God's messengers.  "Angel" means messenger.  Those ascending and descending on this stairway, are part of  the Bride of Christ that "comes down from heaven" with Jesus, to rule/teach all of Gods children. 
    Jesus returns to the earth with his "cloud" of witnesses - "Israel". The "great cloud of witnesses" are God's chosen witnesses - "Israel", not every JW in the organizaiton.  Mark 14:62; 13:26; Heb 12:1; Isa 43: 1,10;  Matt 24:30
    Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.   Acts 3:19-21
    who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”   Acts 1:11
    Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  Rev 21:2
    He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.  Rev 3:12
    The temple/New Jerusalem, made with "living stones", will be with mankind on earth.  They will also have their time in heaven.  So, "ascending and descending" between heaven and earth is necessary for God's kings/priests to serve Him, Jesus and God's children.  
    We have been indoctrinated with a lie that supports the silencing of the anointed.  The earth presently is Satan's domain.  His enemy is Christ and Christ's brothers.  Why would he allow the truth about them inheriting the earth, to be revealed in the organization where we know the priests of God have been replaced by a large army of elders who have the authority to spiritually judge His chosen people?  (Joel chapter 2)
    I'm trying to understand why you chose that scripture. 
    "one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
    God's spirit dwells in the anointed heart.  They are His "dwelling"/temple even while on the earth. (1 Cor 3:16,17) They are priests/kings, even while on earth. (1 Pet 2:5,9) God is naturally, "above" everything, in spirit, because He IS spirit.  John 4:24; Ps 139:7,8
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Yes, they were, and it didn't end when Jesus fulfilled the law.  God made an everlasting covenant with this priesthood.
    For thus says the Lord: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; 18 nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’ ”
    "And the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, saying, 20 “Thus says the Lord: ‘If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that there will not be day and night in their season, 21 then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levites, the priests, My ministers. 22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.’ ”  Jer 33:19-22
     
    Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
    “Behold, I lay in Zion
    A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
    And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
    7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
    “The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone,”
    8 and
    “A stone of stumbling
    And a rock of offense.”
    They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
    9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.  1 Pet 2
    The ONLY time the priesthood has not been recognized in the capacity they are to hold under God's covenant with them, is within the time span of the Watchtower Organization. 
     It acted arrogantly even against the Prince of the heavenly army; it revoked his regular sacrifice and overthrew the place of his sanctuary.  Dan 8:11
    "His power will be great, but it will not be his own. He will cause outrageous destruction and succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the powerful along with the holy people. Dan 8:24
    "Then the king will do whatever he wants. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will say outrageous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, because what has been decreed will be accomplished."  Dan 11:36
    "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."  Rev 13:5-7
    "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."  2 Thess 2:3,4
    "Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months."  Rev 11:1-3
    Elders are "Gentiles".  The anointed are "Israel"/"Jews" of "New Jerusalem".  Gal 4:26
     
    If you and others like you could only see the truth, yet you choose the doctrine of men by supporting the elder body as your "judges" and "priests".  This blasphemes God's covenant with the priesthood, and tramples His Temple as prophesied to happen in the last days.  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    Confusing, isn't it!
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    The anointed are the new creation. (2 Cor 5:17; 1 Pet 1:23)They will reign on the earth as priests and kings, as well as have access to "heaven'.  That is why they are a "new creation", both human and angel.  (1 Cor 15:44)   God's word is reliable and this is backed up by the promise given to Jacob (Israel) and to his seed:
    "Now Jacob went out from Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11 So he came to a certain place and stayed there all night, because the sun had set. And he took one of the stones of that place and put it at his head, and he lay down in that place to sleep. 12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
    13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you.”
    16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.” 17 And he was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven!”
    If the priests are to teach the people (Mal 2:7), how can they do so if they are not among them?  The WT has devised a conception of the "144,000" as clones, men, with beards, looking down from heaven unable to enjoy their inheritance. To me, this is Satan making jest of God's new creation.   Since the WT has "trampled" the anointed as it is, why not fill every JW mind with as many lies as they can, about the role of the anointed?  Why not wipe away the individuality and personalities of His priests, not only now as an unrecognizable "nation" presently, but by creating a blasphemous picture of the 144,000 looking exactly the same -  in face, clothing and sex.  Sheesh.  They might as well be some sort of heavenly robot.  
    Jesus also spoke of this ladder:
    And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”   John 1:51
    Mal 2:7 states that the priests are God's messengers.  "Angel" means messenger.  Those ascending and descending on this stairway, are part of  the Bride of Christ that "comes down from heaven" with Jesus, to rule/teach all of Gods children. 
    Jesus returns to the earth with his "cloud" of witnesses - "Israel". The "great cloud of witnesses" are God's chosen witnesses - "Israel", not every JW in the organizaiton.  Mark 14:62; 13:26; Heb 12:1; Isa 43: 1,10;  Matt 24:30
    Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.   Acts 3:19-21
    who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”   Acts 1:11
    Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  Rev 21:2
    He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.  Rev 3:12
    The temple/New Jerusalem, made with "living stones", will be with mankind on earth.  They will also have their time in heaven.  So, "ascending and descending" between heaven and earth is necessary for God's kings/priests to serve Him, Jesus and God's children.  
    We have been indoctrinated with a lie that supports the silencing of the anointed.  The earth presently is Satan's domain.  His enemy is Christ and Christ's brothers.  Why would he allow the truth about them inheriting the earth, to be revealed in the organization where we know the priests of God have been replaced by a large army of elders who have the authority to spiritually judge His chosen people?  (Joel chapter 2)
    I'm trying to understand why you chose that scripture. 
    "one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
    God's spirit dwells in the anointed heart.  They are His "dwelling"/temple even while on the earth. (1 Cor 3:16,17) They are priests/kings, even while on earth. (1 Pet 2:5,9) God is naturally, "above" everything, in spirit, because He IS spirit.  John 4:24; Ps 139:7,8
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I believe how this verses are for all of us, and GB too: 
    Before God "small things" are of same importance as "big things".
    Spiritual things always have more than one opinion. 
    We are authorized to choose what we consider is the best for us.   
     He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. - Luke
    And Elijah came to all the people, and said, “How long will you falter between two opinions? - 1 Kings
    I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; - Deuteronomy
    I suggests, recommends to people who thinking like you, please change your attitude :))  
     
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    Witness reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    Because it suits their ideology and also because the translators of the NWT werent scholars.
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    Witness reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in What will you do?   
    The watchtower gives us the answer get out of her if you do not want to share in their sins. 😆😆😆
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in What will you do?   
    This is a sincere question, and not just aimed at the folks here, but all jw's who have a dissenting view of the governing body and organization.
    What will you do now that you have realized Jehovah God is not backing this governing body and thus the organization. Are you going to just sit idly by and continue to do what the governing body tells you to do, or comes up with more unbiblical doctrine? If that would be the case, you are still a partaker in the governing bodies sins by not denouncing their actions and continuing to go along with their flow. 
    If Armageddon starts tomorrow and the governing body do not make it through it and into the new system, what about those who continue to follow them?
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    I look forward to listening to this.  Knowing the "Master's Belongings" has nothing to do with earthly riches to begin with, shows up the organization as no different from any other organization in the world.
    Christ's words make little impact on men seeking riches.  Luke 4:5-7
    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    Well said.♥️
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    Yes, thanks for put this in focus. If exists Master who have nothing with material possessions and assets, that is Jesus. He was a Man who didn't care about money, real estate, diamonds and gold, position in society etc.
    A Man who gave advice: "sell everything and follow me", must be someone who don't have ANY, NOTHING of material possessions in some secular or religious organization today on Earth.   
    Once more time, once again WT and GB made wrong teaching on Matthew 24:47 by making a mixture of materialist-spiritual interpretation......  for their own benefit.
    Jesus is Son of his Father who OWN and POSSES all earthly treasures. And They not need GB to collect and be in charge on things they already have. Neither today (or from 1919, 2013), nor in the some fictive future. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    I look forward to listening to this.  Knowing the "Master's Belongings" has nothing to do with earthly riches to begin with, shows up the organization as no different from any other organization in the world.
    Christ's words make little impact on men seeking riches.  Luke 4:5-7
    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    What is real truth about  "2013 new light" presented in WT study magazine, that said how Faithful and Discrete Slave aka Governing Body in Bethel HQ in NY were not appointed "over all Masters belongings in 1919 but will be "during great tribulation"? - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/ 
    I found this video material that reveal some interesting elements about this "new light" from 2013. 
     
     
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