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Haha, it seems how you forget G. Jackson explanation before ARC, when he said how "spiritual disobedience" have to be normal and wished reaction of/for every mature JW member who, after testing GB instructions and doctrine, decide to NOT obey JW shepherds aka leaders.
 
Well, GB member openly and clearly promote "spiritual disobedience" inside JW Church. 
Question is: Whether the "will of God" (in Romans 13 context) is revealed through GB or through secular government ??? 

Since this case has surfaced, I now understand the "fair use act" and what you say about the act is true.  But, the WT may assertively follow secular laws of men as well as aggressively reject them; depending on whether they are useful to protect their image, or if they threaten to expose their image as "unclean".  They seek to establish their own "righteousness"; which is ultimately, hypocrisy.  Rom 10:3
 

Mr Leander,
If GB consider how particular secular law is against Bible principles then they will not obey such secular law.
If GB consider how particular secular law is not opposite to Bible principles then they will obey such secular law.
What part of Romans 13 GB don't understand? Or do they interpret it under own preference? And how issue of obeying secular law depends on individual or group understanding of subject inside particular time frame and circumstances? 
:))
 

Since this case has surfaced, I now understand the "fair use act" and what you say about the act is true.  But, the WT may assertively follow secular laws of men as well as aggressively reject them; depending on whether they are useful to protect their image, or if they threaten to expose their image as "unclean".  They seek to establish their own "righteousness"; which is ultimately, hypocrisy.  Rom 10:3
 

Since this case has surfaced, I now understand the "fair use act" and what you say about the act is true.  But, the WT may assertively follow secular laws of men as well as aggressively reject them; depending on whether they are useful to protect their image, or if they threaten to expose their image as "unclean".  They seek to establish their own "righteousness"; which is ultimately, hypocrisy.  Rom 10:3
 

It is not I that has "rejected" scripture, it is you that has done so, and for what, to find an excuse to further your personal cause. A cause riddled in ignorance.
My 'cause' is to get closer to God through Christ and through God's written word, not through men. My search is for truth. The CCJW does not seem to have truth. 

Naturally! WTJWorg using Bible verse how all "spiritual food" (not only Bible text), ALL what this Company published, released in any format) is FREE OF CHARGE for humankind. 
WT lawyers purposely and with bad motives working against, exactly the same, Bible Principles that WTJWorg using to PROMOTE own Agenda and defend own standpoint.
And, yes, you accented second thing without fail. WTJWorg expects that members and even those who are not members, Repeating as much frequently is possible this diapason of "spiritual food" around the globe. Free of charge. Well, about what sort of "intellectual property and publishing rights", in fact, we speaking about ???? :)))
Because, GB members assure people how all this "spiritual food in proper time" is "food from above, from Jesus and God and NOT Theirs :))
And we all know, Bible never said how human need permission in using Jesus' and God' "intellectual property and publishing rights" :)))

"There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes, but has not been cleansed from its filth.” 
Thanks @TrueTomHarley that fits your GB and CCJW very well.
I did read it all as you knew I would, and I laughed all through it. Thank you for giving me something to laugh at. 
As I've mentioned before though, it seems your only purpose for being on this forum is to promote your own writings/books. I see that as selfish but you probably see it as opportunity. 
If Australia (CCJW) started recording CSA accusations over 50 years ago then America being the starting point of the religion, would surely have started recording CSA before that. So the leaders, even prior to there being a GB, would have known about the problem. Besides which, if the CCJW was in any way inspired by God, they would have been well prepared to sort it out when it first started. If God gave the Nation of Israel guidelines, why would he not give His so called 'chosen organisation' guidelines ? 
And of course TTH deliberately fails to mention that, in the 1st century, Christians WERE INSPIRED OF GOD. Hence 1st century Christians were given guidance by God's Holy Spirit. THEY DID NOT DO IMPORTANT THINGS, OF THEIR OWN ABILITY. 
Whereas the leaders of CCJW, the GB, are NOT inspired of GOD, so are not capable of doing important things, such as guiding God's people. 
And as TTH seems to like going on about CSA. One more important point is this. IT IS NOT ONLY THE CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE ITSELF, THAT IS THE CRIME AND SIN, BUT IT IS THE HIDING OF PAEDOPHILES IN THE CONGREGATIONS, AND KEEPING SECRET THE INFORMATION OF SEXUAL ABUSE, THE TELLING LIES, THE REFUSING TO COOPERATE WITH THE 'SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES' (who are set in place by God), THE DESTRUCTION OF HARD COPY PAPERWORK, AND THE ATTITUDE OF THE GB AND OTHERS IN 'AUTHORITY' WITHIN THE CCJW. 
ONE PAEDOPHILE IN ONE CONGREGATION CAN ABUSE 5 OR 10, OR 20 CHILDREN OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
So TTH, it's not the number of paedophiles in CCJW that is the only issue. 

Quote ' If not, what's the point in wanting to be Christian if obedience is not is one's heart. Baptism is a direct pledge to God. '
Obedience to God through Christ is what is required. And baptism is to God through Christ too. 
Neither requires obedience to men or an organisation. 

Oh how these followers of MEN are showing their hurt and pain at being exposed. 
Dear TTH is trying so hard to put me to shame, and for what ?  Asking someone's opinion on matters. 
Where as what does TTH offer in spiritual thoughts and words ?  
To quote TTH " The very idea is so preposterous—a true anointed to appear out of who-knows-where at the final moments of this system of things, with just enough time for the true sheep of the earth to recognize, grab hold of them, and thereby save themselves at the final day. It’s just too ridiculous. "
Firstly I never said 'at the final moments of this system of things'. I said that 'in my opinion' it would be another 10 years before Judgement Day, and the true Anointed would be known long before that. As for 'the true sheep of the earth' that is the expression of TTH not me. And as for thereby save themselves, um, I always thought it was God through Christ, that did the 'saving' not the people saving themselves. 
My feelings are that TTH thinks all miracles are just too ridiculous. to actually believe. Showing a complete lack of faith. 
As for LHMcN I think he needs to re-read scripture about worshipping. 
Quote "Are you saying, witnesses are actively worshiping the GB?' 
Yes they are worshipping the GB and the writing dept and JW Org. JWs have been worshipping the Organisation since it's birth. The early 1970's was proof positive of such. When GOD'S WRITTEN WORD makes it so clear that humans will not know the day or the hour, BUT an Organisation's leaders tells its congregants that  Armageddon will be in the early to mid 1970's, and so those congregants obey the instruction of their leaders against the instructions of GOD'S WORD, then those congregants are worshipping the leaders of that Organisation. 
Further more the name Jehovah seems to be less relevant now to that Org as the JW Org logo seems to take precedence.

Its behond reformed unfortunately in my honest opinion.
 

@Leander H. McNelly, I'm just curious, what’s with the  “G-d”, Allen? You cannot say “God”, but you can say man’s invention of YHVH as “Jehovah”? 
But, that’s beside the point.  You remarked that the GB are willing to die “for his name’s sake”.  No. They are not.  Do you not remember that G. Losh stated that soon, 'before Armageddon arrives', the “faithful and discreet slave”  will be taken to heaven to reign with Christ?  They don't believe they will die for Jesus Christ.  They believe they already "reign" with him.  
Those who are willing to “die” for Jesus Christ have already done so at the hands of the dual power within your organization.  The anointed and any who turn to Jesus Christ, as the Head of the anointed Body, (instead of your GB) are spiritually “killed” through disfellowshipping.   Rom 8:33  Whenever someone rejects the headship of your GB, they are either shunned or disfellowshipped which really has the same result:
52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”  Luke 12:52,53
 No, I don’t believe the GB is “God”, but worship does not always require bending down on one’s knees.  We can idolize a person or a thing by submitting ourselves as “slaves” to them.  Now, if a person tells the elder body that they will listen only to Jesus Christ and not the GB, that person previously enslaved to men and the organization is cut down…”thrown out of the synagogue”.  John 16:2; Eph 4:25;5:11; Rev 13:15
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?  Rom 6:16
Yes, Rev 13:11 is your GB.  Rev 13:1,2 is your organization.
That’s a really good question.  Perhaps you should ask yourself why anyone who desires to serve only  Jesus Christ and the Father are, by the organization rules, judged as “dead” by mere men?  It is what to be expected in these last days, when following Jesus Christ.  Rev 11:7; 13:15; Rev 6:9-11
So if, through your faith in Christ, you are dead to the principles of this world’s life, why, as if you were still part and parcel of this world-wide system, do you take the slightest notice of these purely human prohibitions—“Don’t touch this,” “Don’t taste that” and “Don’t handle the other”? “This”, “that” and “the other” will all pass away after use! I know that these regulations look wise with their self-inspired efforts at worship, their policy of self-humbling, and their studied neglect of the body. But in actual practice they do honour, not to God, but to man’s own pride. Col 2:20-23
2 Tim 4:3; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:14,13,15,16
 
 

It is very sad to see those people that pretend to serve God, but are making is so so clear on this forum that they serve an Organisation run by men. That they have to take a serious subject and mock it purely because they cannot stand truth, or are too frightened to examine their own personal reasons for serving men instead of serving God through Christ. 
It would be so easy to pull apart everything they say, but I'm sure the scriptures tell us not  to argue with such ones. They have set themselves in a comfortable position whereby they just follow the rules and teachings of 8 men and a writing department, even though they know that those 8 men and writing department are not inspired by God's holy spirit. 
It reminds me of millions of people following a young girl, Greta something or other. Some people just have to follow another person or group of people. They have to have a physical person or object to see and serve with their human eyes. Did they never have a spiritual 'eye' ? Could they never see with their hearts the things set before us by God. 
I suggest that those people spend more time reading the scriptures. Rebuild your faith in God.
Remember that ALMIGHTY GOD CAN DO MIRACLES. And that HE CAN SUPPLY HOLY SPIRIT for whatever purpose HE chooses. 
If Gods wants to put new leaders in place, or if God wants to have a new Organisation, can you stop Him?
Are you so proud of the GB and what it has done ? Are you proud of all the failure in JW Org ? Do you honestly think God and Christ are proud of the GB and JW Org ? 
And the main question I suppose for each of us is, Would YOU make adjustments in YOU OWN life to serve God properly through Christ and not through men ?
Time will tell. And God's plans will move forward with or without any of us. 
Soon may God's name be sanctified.
Soon may God's will be done here on this Earth as it is being done in heaven. 
 

A federal judge in San Francisco ruled a Redditor’s posts citing Watch Tower’s copyrighted works were fair use but that online free speech “is a developing area where the standards are far from settled.”
Reddit will not have to turn over the identity of a user to the organizational body of the Jehovah’s Witness faith after a judge ruled Monday in a copyright dispute with major potential implications for online free speech.
In a 16-page order, U.S. District Judge James Donato of the Northern District of California found that a Reddit contributor’s posts critiquing the church and its administrative body, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, were a non-infringing fair use of the group’s copyrighted works.
Rejecting a magistrate judge’s prior recommendation, Donato granted a motion to quash a subpoena from Watch Tower seeking identifying information of a Redditor known as Darkspilver. The subpoena, issued to Reddit last January, sought Darkspilver’s subscriber information, name, telephone number, address, email and IP addresses, under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Reddit declined to respond to the subpoena, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation intervened on behalf of the anonymous user.
“The only authorized purpose for the subpoena under the DMCA was to discover his identity as an alleged copyright infringer to protect Watch Tower’s copyrights,” Donato said. “If Darkspilver establishes that he made fair use of the copyrighted works, no claim of copyright infringement could plausibly be alleged against him, and the subpoena would not be authorized under the DMCA.”
Last May, U.S. Magistrate Judge Sallie Kim of the Northern District of California ruled that Reddit must reveal the identity of the user, but only to attorneys involved in the case. Donato said Kim’s approach of applying the First Amendment to anonymous online speech was problematic. “It is a developing area where the standards are far from settled,” he wrote.
Donato also said that Kim’s invocation of the two-part test for anonymous speech the Northern District of California developed in 2005 in Highfields Capital Management v. Doe did not involve the key elements of copyright or the DMCA. “Highfields, the source of the test, involved claims sounding in trademark and unfair competition, but not copyright law or fair use,” he said.
When it came to the fair use arguments, the judge said that Watch Tower failed to challenge any of the evidence.
“Instead, it offers the general challenge that the inquiry is ‘woefully premature’ because
fair use is an affirmative defense that can’t be considered unless and until a complaint is on file,” according to the opinion. “This is a surprising proposition given that Watch Tower was required to evaluate fair use before sending its take-down notice to Reddit, and that Watch Tower and its attorney represented they had done that. They are not well situated to say now that the inquiry should wait.”
Reddit and Alex Moss of the Electronic Frontier Foundation did not respond to a request for comment Monday evening.
Watch Tower’s counsel, Paul D. Polidoro, an in-house lawyer for Watch Tower in Warwick, New York, and Anthony Smith of the Law Office of Anthony V. Smith in San Mateo, California, also did not respond to a message requesting comment late Monday.
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I seriously cannot under why the GB / Watchtower are spending Congregant's money on such court cases. 
Matthew 5 v 38 through 42 states quite clearly 
“You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’a 39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.b 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment;c 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.d
The GB and their Lawyers obviously do not live by this scripture. 
 

It sure is, for all of us.  I relate to what @4Jah2me said about developing a close relationship with the Father and Jesus since being out of the Watchtower. I have heard others who have left the organization say similar.  The scriptures and the wisdom within them, begin to speak to us as never before.  It reminds me of 1 Cor 1:20-25
  "Where is the wise person? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe. 22 For indeed, Jews ask for sign miracles and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a cause for stumbling, but to the Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom,and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength."
I do cherish Proverbs 8 where we can spiritually visualize the wisdom of God and Jesus Christ.  
 

It sure is, for all of us.  I relate to what @4Jah2me said about developing a close relationship with the Father and Jesus since being out of the Watchtower. I have heard others who have left the organization say similar.  The scriptures and the wisdom within them, begin to speak to us as never before.  It reminds me of 1 Cor 1:20-25
  "Where is the wise person? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe. 22 For indeed, Jews ask for sign miracles and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a cause for stumbling, but to the Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom,and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength."
I do cherish Proverbs 8 where we can spiritually visualize the wisdom of God and Jesus Christ.  
 

True religion is based on Truth from Christ, which results in those attributes.  Christ provides those who remain in him, with that wisdom.
But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.
James 3:10-18 is all about the “wisdom” from God – His Word fulfilled in Christ who said,
 “My doctrine/”teaching” is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.  John 7:16,17
That doctrine is what we must be “ready to obey”.
“Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.”  John 14:24
Jesus, as the Word, was the perfect example of displaying the "good qualities" sourced in Holy Spirit.  
 Isa 48:17 - Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the Lord your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
It is all about doctrine, teachings, fruit.  If we are not taught spiritual wisdom – TRUTH - from anointed “trees”, but instead are taught and practice the opposite of wisdom, which is foolishness revealed in falsehoods that come out of their mouth…and that we readily accept into our mind and heart... how can we say we practice righteous faith, love, joy that is acceptable to God?  (Micah 6:8)
A spring does not cause the fresh water and the bitter water to bubble out of the same opening, does it? 12 My brothers, a fig tree cannot produce olives, or a grapevine figs, can it? Neither can salt water produce fresh water. 13 Who is wise and understanding among you?
Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”  John 4:11
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”  John 7:38
No one can produce “living water” from a clean heart, unless that heart has received truth and wisdom, from God through Christ. 
Has the GB who lead millions of people with their wavering teachings, received this truth and wisdom?  
 “Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding irreverent and empty speech and contradictions from what is falsely called knowledge. 21 By professing it, some people have departed from the faith. 1 Tim 6:20,21
 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?   Matt 5:46,47
The spirit of Christ is Truth.
“Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”  John 4:23,24
“We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.” 1 John 4:6
“This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.” 1 John 5:6
We learn the “good fruit” of the doctrine/teachings of Christ, in order to practice true religion - to worship God in the Spirit and in truth.  The Greek word for "religion" means "religious worship". 
 Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained from the world.  James 1:27
Mankind, he has told each of you what is good
and what it is the Lord requires of you:
to act justly,
to love faithfulness,
and to walk humbly with your God.  Micah 6:8
 

I believe the NWT’s choice to use “fruitage” over “fruit” is deceiving.  It changes the intent of the scripture.
“Fruitage” indicates a process that leads to a result.  JWs believe their actions are the result of Holy Spirit within them.  The Greek word used is “karpos”, and is the same word used by Christ here:
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.  Matt 7:15-20
If a good “tree” cannot produce bad fruit, or a bad tree, good fruit, then the tree carries within it one sort of spirit – either from Jesus Christ as truth, or from Satan the liar.  John 8:44; John 16:13
Fruit represents teachings spoken by anointed “trees”. Ps 104:16; Ezek 47:12; Rev 11:4; Zech 4:12-14; Rev 22:2  Fruit produced by those who “remain” in Christ, imparts love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control within themselves and in those who ingest this fruit provided by Holy Spirit.
“ There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Eph 4:4
So, Gal 5:22,23 speaks of the blessings of “good fruit” from symbolic anointed “trees” who reside in Christ. John 15:1-4
"A good man ("tree") brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.  Luke 6:45
Doctrine in the WT changes continually, which indicates clearly that they are producing bad fruit. How can any JW deny this, if he or she reads Jesus' words?   The scriptures show us that the “fruitage” of the GB, will result in their downfall.  Rev 16:13,14; 19:20
"The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." Matt 3:10
 
 
http://pearl-finetrees.blogspot.com/
 
 
 

Those of Rev 17:14  wouldn’t be there if they were not obedient to BOTH the Father and the Son. Have you read this lately?
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have know my Father also. From now on you know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Am I with you so long a time and you have not known me, Philip? The one who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father residing in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves.  John 14:6-11
And this?
  “Everyone who comes to me and listens to my words and does them—I will show you what he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug and went down deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the river burst against that house and was not able to shake it, because it had been built well. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, which the river burst against, and immediately it collapsed—and the collapse of that house was great!”  Luke 6:47-49
Your words could not be any more truthful about your GB.  If they set down “decrees” necessary to maintain the seamless operation of the organization; and you are expected to follow them, have you maintained “the spiritual stance of obedience to the almighty”, or have you become obedient to men’s teachings about “organization”?  How do they practice “hate and division”?  Through their malicious words against the anointed.  Through the prejudice act of disfellowshipping.  For marking one as dead, who reject the commandments of men. 
Jesus prophesied of this to happen.  If we obey Christ, we expect division to take place among our own people. Matt 24:9; 19:29; 16:25; Luke 12:51-53; Matt 5:10-12
And the Lord said,
“Because this people draw near with its mouth,
    and with its lips it honors me,
and its heart is far from me,
    and their fear of me is a commandment of men that has been taught,…
 
The JW heart, the foundation of their very soul, has men’s faulty doctrine harbored within it, and they keep drinking it in. Rev 8:10,11  To you, “truth” is relative according to what your GB/elders teach in each new year.  To me, “truth” comes strictly from Jesus Christ.  This, is what they should be teaching.  John 15:5   Anything they add or take away from Christ’s words, they add and take away from the ability of JWs to know the Father. Matt 23:13 They are adding and taking away from the Word of God in like manner of the Pharisees. 
“Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.”  Deut 4:2
 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”  Matt 19:17
Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”   Matt 22:34-40
 What is the difference with “Israel’s" leaders today?  They wear a face of deception; that appears innocent and humble. Acts 20:29,30; 2 Cor 11:4,13-15  Yet, they are “wise in their own eyes”, not in the eyes of God.  Isa 5:21; Matt 24:4,5,24  They judge according to their commandments, just as the Pharisees did. Matt 23:4; 15:7-9   And they have the gall to compare themselves to Moses - a prophet of God.  
How dare these men defy the words of Christ.
… therefore look, I am again doing something spectacular
and a spectacle with this spectacular people.
And the wisdom of its wise men shall perish,
    and the discernment of its discerning ones shall keep itself hidden.”
15 Ah! Those who make a plan deep, to hide it from YHWH,
    and their deeds are in a dark place.
And they say, “Who sees us?
    And who knows us?”
16 Your perversity!
    As if a potter shall be regarded as the clay!
That the product of its maker says,
    “He did not make me,”
and the thing made into shape says of its potter,
    “He has no understanding.”  Isa 29:13-16
How arrogantly bold of the uninspired GB, to teach that their words supersede the words of Christ – who IS THE WORD OF GOD.  John 1:1 
“For wicked people are found among my people,
    they lie in wait like the hiding of fowlers,
they set up a trap,
    they catch humans. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)
27 Like a cage full of birds,
    so their houses are full of fraud.
Therefore they have become great,
    and they have become rich.
28 They have grown fat,
    they have grown sleek,
also, their evil deeds have no limit.
    They do not judge with justice,
the legal cause of the orphan,
    or allow it to succeed,
and the legal case of the poor,
    they do not defend.
29 Because of these things shall I not punish?” declares Yahweh,
    “and on a nation who is like this, shall I not take revenge?
30 A horrific event and something horrible has happened in the land.
31 The prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it so much. (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    But what will you do when the end comes?  Jer 5:26-31
 
 
 
 

Those of Rev 17:14  wouldn’t be there if they were not obedient to BOTH the Father and the Son. Have you read this lately?
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have know my Father also. From now on you know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Am I with you so long a time and you have not known me, Philip? The one who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father residing in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves.  John 14:6-11
And this?
  “Everyone who comes to me and listens to my words and does them—I will show you what he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug and went down deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the river burst against that house and was not able to shake it, because it had been built well. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, which the river burst against, and immediately it collapsed—and the collapse of that house was great!”  Luke 6:47-49
Your words could not be any more truthful about your GB.  If they set down “decrees” necessary to maintain the seamless operation of the organization; and you are expected to follow them, have you maintained “the spiritual stance of obedience to the almighty”, or have you become obedient to men’s teachings about “organization”?  How do they practice “hate and division”?  Through their malicious words against the anointed.  Through the prejudice act of disfellowshipping.  For marking one as dead, who reject the commandments of men. 
Jesus prophesied of this to happen.  If we obey Christ, we expect division to take place among our own people. Matt 24:9; 19:29; 16:25; Luke 12:51-53; Matt 5:10-12
And the Lord said,
“Because this people draw near with its mouth,
    and with its lips it honors me,
and its heart is far from me,
    and their fear of me is a commandment of men that has been taught,…
 
The JW heart, the foundation of their very soul, has men’s faulty doctrine harbored within it, and they keep drinking it in. Rev 8:10,11  To you, “truth” is relative according to what your GB/elders teach in each new year.  To me, “truth” comes strictly from Jesus Christ.  This, is what they should be teaching.  John 15:5   Anything they add or take away from Christ’s words, they add and take away from the ability of JWs to know the Father. Matt 23:13 They are adding and taking away from the Word of God in like manner of the Pharisees. 
“Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.”  Deut 4:2
 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”  Matt 19:17
Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”   Matt 22:34-40
 What is the difference with “Israel’s" leaders today?  They wear a face of deception; that appears innocent and humble. Acts 20:29,30; 2 Cor 11:4,13-15  Yet, they are “wise in their own eyes”, not in the eyes of God.  Isa 5:21; Matt 24:4,5,24  They judge according to their commandments, just as the Pharisees did. Matt 23:4; 15:7-9   And they have the gall to compare themselves to Moses - a prophet of God.  
How dare these men defy the words of Christ.
… therefore look, I am again doing something spectacular
and a spectacle with this spectacular people.
And the wisdom of its wise men shall perish,
    and the discernment of its discerning ones shall keep itself hidden.”
15 Ah! Those who make a plan deep, to hide it from YHWH,
    and their deeds are in a dark place.
And they say, “Who sees us?
    And who knows us?”
16 Your perversity!
    As if a potter shall be regarded as the clay!
That the product of its maker says,
    “He did not make me,”
and the thing made into shape says of its potter,
    “He has no understanding.”  Isa 29:13-16
How arrogantly bold of the uninspired GB, to teach that their words supersede the words of Christ – who IS THE WORD OF GOD.  John 1:1 
“For wicked people are found among my people,
    they lie in wait like the hiding of fowlers,
they set up a trap,
    they catch humans. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)
27 Like a cage full of birds,
    so their houses are full of fraud.
Therefore they have become great,
    and they have become rich.
28 They have grown fat,
    they have grown sleek,
also, their evil deeds have no limit.
    They do not judge with justice,
the legal cause of the orphan,
    or allow it to succeed,
and the legal case of the poor,
    they do not defend.
29 Because of these things shall I not punish?” declares Yahweh,
    “and on a nation who is like this, shall I not take revenge?
30 A horrific event and something horrible has happened in the land.
31 The prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it so much. (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    But what will you do when the end comes?  Jer 5:26-31
 
 
 
 

I believe the NWT’s choice to use “fruitage” over “fruit” is deceiving.  It changes the intent of the scripture.
“Fruitage” indicates a process that leads to a result.  JWs believe their actions are the result of Holy Spirit within them.  The Greek word used is “karpos”, and is the same word used by Christ here:
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.  Matt 7:15-20
If a good “tree” cannot produce bad fruit, or a bad tree, good fruit, then the tree carries within it one sort of spirit – either from Jesus Christ as truth, or from Satan the liar.  John 8:44; John 16:13
Fruit represents teachings spoken by anointed “trees”. Ps 104:16; Ezek 47:12; Rev 11:4; Zech 4:12-14; Rev 22:2  Fruit produced by those who “remain” in Christ, imparts love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control within themselves and in those who ingest this fruit provided by Holy Spirit.
“ There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Eph 4:4
So, Gal 5:22,23 speaks of the blessings of “good fruit” from symbolic anointed “trees” who reside in Christ. John 15:1-4
"A good man ("tree") brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.  Luke 6:45
Doctrine in the WT changes continually, which indicates clearly that they are producing bad fruit. How can any JW deny this, if he or she reads Jesus' words?   The scriptures show us that the “fruitage” of the GB, will result in their downfall.  Rev 16:13,14; 19:20
"The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." Matt 3:10
 
 
http://pearl-finetrees.blogspot.com/
 
 
 

Those of Rev 17:14  wouldn’t be there if they were not obedient to BOTH the Father and the Son. Have you read this lately?
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have know my Father also. From now on you know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Am I with you so long a time and you have not known me, Philip? The one who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’ 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father residing in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves.  John 14:6-11
And this?
  “Everyone who comes to me and listens to my words and does them—I will show you what he is like: 48 he is like a man building a house, who dug and went down deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the river burst against that house and was not able to shake it, because it had been built well. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, which the river burst against, and immediately it collapsed—and the collapse of that house was great!”  Luke 6:47-49
Your words could not be any more truthful about your GB.  If they set down “decrees” necessary to maintain the seamless operation of the organization; and you are expected to follow them, have you maintained “the spiritual stance of obedience to the almighty”, or have you become obedient to men’s teachings about “organization”?  How do they practice “hate and division”?  Through their malicious words against the anointed.  Through the prejudice act of disfellowshipping.  For marking one as dead, who reject the commandments of men. 
Jesus prophesied of this to happen.  If we obey Christ, we expect division to take place among our own people. Matt 24:9; 19:29; 16:25; Luke 12:51-53; Matt 5:10-12
And the Lord said,
“Because this people draw near with its mouth,
    and with its lips it honors me,
and its heart is far from me,
    and their fear of me is a commandment of men that has been taught,…
 
The JW heart, the foundation of their very soul, has men’s faulty doctrine harbored within it, and they keep drinking it in. Rev 8:10,11  To you, “truth” is relative according to what your GB/elders teach in each new year.  To me, “truth” comes strictly from Jesus Christ.  This, is what they should be teaching.  John 15:5   Anything they add or take away from Christ’s words, they add and take away from the ability of JWs to know the Father. Matt 23:13 They are adding and taking away from the Word of God in like manner of the Pharisees. 
“Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.”  Deut 4:2
 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”  Matt 19:17
Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”   Matt 22:34-40
 What is the difference with “Israel’s" leaders today?  They wear a face of deception; that appears innocent and humble. Acts 20:29,30; 2 Cor 11:4,13-15  Yet, they are “wise in their own eyes”, not in the eyes of God.  Isa 5:21; Matt 24:4,5,24  They judge according to their commandments, just as the Pharisees did. Matt 23:4; 15:7-9   And they have the gall to compare themselves to Moses - a prophet of God.  
How dare these men defy the words of Christ.
… therefore look, I am again doing something spectacular
and a spectacle with this spectacular people.
And the wisdom of its wise men shall perish,
    and the discernment of its discerning ones shall keep itself hidden.”
15 Ah! Those who make a plan deep, to hide it from YHWH,
    and their deeds are in a dark place.
And they say, “Who sees us?
    And who knows us?”
16 Your perversity!
    As if a potter shall be regarded as the clay!
That the product of its maker says,
    “He did not make me,”
and the thing made into shape says of its potter,
    “He has no understanding.”  Isa 29:13-16
How arrogantly bold of the uninspired GB, to teach that their words supersede the words of Christ – who IS THE WORD OF GOD.  John 1:1 
“For wicked people are found among my people,
    they lie in wait like the hiding of fowlers,
they set up a trap,
    they catch humans. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)
27 Like a cage full of birds,
    so their houses are full of fraud.
Therefore they have become great,
    and they have become rich.
28 They have grown fat,
    they have grown sleek,
also, their evil deeds have no limit.
    They do not judge with justice,
the legal cause of the orphan,
    or allow it to succeed,
and the legal case of the poor,
    they do not defend.
29 Because of these things shall I not punish?” declares Yahweh,
    “and on a nation who is like this, shall I not take revenge?
30 A horrific event and something horrible has happened in the land.
31 The prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it so much. (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    But what will you do when the end comes?  Jer 5:26-31
 
 
 
 

Quote @Leander H. McNelly  " Maintain the spiritual stance of obedience to the almighty. "
The obedience to Almighty God is through Jesus Christ, not through CCJW / JW Org / GB. 
If a person honestly feels, through prayer and deep study and meditation on God's word, that the GB and the Watchtower / JW Org are wrong, then that person has to take action to break away from that 'bad association'. 
As to the promise in baptism, the JW Org baptism is not done in accordance to scripture. You will know that of course. 

I find this a strange thing to say.  None of us are "worthy" to receive an anointing.  It guarantees nothing. We can lose the "pouring out" of Holy Spirit.   Matt 7:15,16,18,19,20-22 ; Rom 5:5
Anointed are called, chosen and then found "faithful" to serve Christ.  1 Cor 1:9; 1 Pet 1:15; 2 Thess 2:13; 2 Pet 1:10; Luke 16:10; Matt 25:14,15; Rev 17:14
It is a journey of testing, purification and sanctification - a path of holiness that never ends.  Rev 22:11  
The question should be, will any of us anointed or not, be found "worthy" to receive eternal life; since all in the Kingdom will be called God's children.  
 

I find this a strange thing to say.  None of us are "worthy" to receive an anointing.  It guarantees nothing. We can lose the "pouring out" of Holy Spirit.   Matt 7:15,16,18,19,20-22 ; Rom 5:5
Anointed are called, chosen and then found "faithful" to serve Christ.  1 Cor 1:9; 1 Pet 1:15; 2 Thess 2:13; 2 Pet 1:10; Luke 16:10; Matt 25:14,15; Rev 17:14
It is a journey of testing, purification and sanctification - a path of holiness that never ends.  Rev 22:11  
The question should be, will any of us anointed or not, be found "worthy" to receive eternal life; since all in the Kingdom will be called God's children.