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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    I know what you had say about BS and JW at that era.
    You actually expressed your opinion in which you justify the segregation of that time which was the norm of behavior for BS and JW (in America) of that time.
    Can you provide evidence from WT publications from those period of time where they condemning racism and / or justifying segregation? Which WT publication from that time says that one should listen to Caesar more than God in matter of racism and segregation?
    Do you suggest how BS/JW  out of fear of men, knowingly violated God's norm that all men are equal before Him?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    You justify other people's actions nicely. So, can one act unethically, morally questionable, or even unjustly because “unbelieving” people and (one other kind of Christians) Bible Students and later JWs lived in a time period when racism (or anything else) was the norm?
    The norm of behavior in different time periods of history and the present does not coincide with the interpretations of some norms we find in the doctrines of different religious communities before or now.
    This only confirms that the manifestation of religious beliefs can be manifested in at least two ways. Consistent and fanatical adherence to doctrines at the cost of ridicule, rejection, persecution and even death , to the point that compromises are made in order not to experience condemnation from the environment and society, under the pretext that it is okay because God does not ask for more. 
    (society required them to do so + kept neutrality and adhere to secular laws and customs.)
    In some of the behaviors of JW members, it was clear that the neutrality they displayed was not related to obedience to the laws and customs of society.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    First you accuse me that I am against any database, signifying to me that you know of, or accept that there is indeed, a private database on jw.org.  Now you are saying there is no private database on the online library.  
    You appear to be on a very crooked road, the same road Wt has established.
    "No one makes claims justly;
    no one pleads honestly.
    They trust in empty and worthless words;
    they conceive trouble and give birth to iniquity.
    They have not known the path of peace,
    and there is no justice in their ways.
    They have made their roads crooked;
    no one who walks on them will know peace."
    Therefore justice is far from us,
    and righteousness does not reach us.
    We hope for light, but there is darkness;
    for brightness, but we live in the night.
    10 We grope along a wall like the blind;
    we grope like those without eyes.
    We stumble at noon as though it were twilight;
    we are like the dead among those who are healthy.
    Justice is turned back,
    and righteousness stands far off.
    For truth has stumbled in the public square,
    and honesty cannot enter.
    15 Truth is missing,
    and whoever turns from evil is plundered.
    The Lord saw that there was no justice,
    and he was offended."   From Isa chapter 59
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  
    "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
    Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses.  What have your leaders proven?  That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? 
    "Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit."  Matt 7:19,20
    This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  
    "One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered."  Prov 10:9
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  
    "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
    Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses.  What have your leaders proven?  That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? 
    "Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit."  Matt 7:19,20
    This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  
    "One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered."  Prov 10:9
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    In a twisted way, they have made this distinction partially through their private database.  As doctrine changes and new publications are eventually dropped, the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong".   I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value.  I’m sure the writing committee and the GB relies on these “gems” when forming their new articles and talks; and it comes through as "wisdom", wearing a new coat of paint, but still its origin is from the garbage heap.  
    Sometimes the Message Bible gets right to the point.
    Ezekiel chapter 13
    God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, preach against the prophets of Israel who are making things up out of their own heads and calling it ‘prophesying.’ “Preach to them the real thing. Tell them, ‘Listen to God’s Message!’ God, the Master, pronounces doom on the empty-headed prophets who do their own thing and know nothing of what’s going on! Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals scavenging through the ruins. They haven’t lifted a finger to repair the defenses of the city and have risked nothing to help Israel stand on God’s Day of Judgment. All they do is fantasize comforting illusions and preach lying sermons. They say ‘God says . . .’ when God hasn’t so much as breathed in their direction. And yet they stand around thinking that something they said is going to happen.“   
    Haven’t you fantasized sheer nonsense? Aren’t your sermons tissues of lies, saying ‘God says . . .’ when I’ve done nothing of the kind? Therefore—and this is the Message of God, the Master, remember—I’m dead set against prophets who substitute illusions for visions and use sermons to tell lies. I’m going to ban them from the council of my people, remove them from membership in Israel, and outlaw them from the land of Israel. Then you’ll realize that I am God, the Master.
    “The fact is that they’ve lied to my people. They’ve said, ‘No problem; everything’s just fine,’ when things are not at all fine. When people build a wall, they’re right behind them slapping on whitewash. Tell those who are slapping on the whitewash, ‘When a torrent of rain comes and the hailstones crash down and the hurricane sweeps in and the wall collapses, what’s the good of the whitewash that you slapped on so liberally, making it look so good?’
    We heard Prov 3:5,6 repetitively as JWs, but I don’t recall verse 7 accompanying it:
    Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
        and do not rely on your own insight.
    6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
        and he will make straight your paths.
    Do not be wise in your own eyes;
        fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
    If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it.  Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”!  Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable.  Over more than a century, the collective human organization still has not found the wisdom of God, and they never will. (Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16)  Wisdom comes from obedience to God’s laws in Jesus Christ…to his word. (Prov 7:1;Jer 35:13;John 14:23; James 1:22)  They have broken these laws by teaching doctrine of men, and by many other atrocities they have committed. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1:8,9)
    Does their ability to conceal their secret library from the public as well as JWs, mean they believe they can hide their rotten fruit from Jesus Christ as well?  (Matt 7:7-29; John 15:1-11,16)
    Mark well that God doesn’t miss a move you make;
        he’s aware of every step you take.
    The shadow of your sin will overtake you;
        you’ll find yourself stumbling all over yourself in the dark.
    Death is the reward of an undisciplined life;
        your foolish decisions trap you in a dead end.    Prov 5:21-23
     
    Victory of Christ
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    In a twisted way, they have made this distinction partially through their private database.  As doctrine changes and new publications are eventually dropped, the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong".   I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value.  I’m sure the writing committee and the GB relies on these “gems” when forming their new articles and talks; and it comes through as "wisdom", wearing a new coat of paint, but still its origin is from the garbage heap.  
    Sometimes the Message Bible gets right to the point.
    Ezekiel chapter 13
    God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, preach against the prophets of Israel who are making things up out of their own heads and calling it ‘prophesying.’ “Preach to them the real thing. Tell them, ‘Listen to God’s Message!’ God, the Master, pronounces doom on the empty-headed prophets who do their own thing and know nothing of what’s going on! Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals scavenging through the ruins. They haven’t lifted a finger to repair the defenses of the city and have risked nothing to help Israel stand on God’s Day of Judgment. All they do is fantasize comforting illusions and preach lying sermons. They say ‘God says . . .’ when God hasn’t so much as breathed in their direction. And yet they stand around thinking that something they said is going to happen.“   
    Haven’t you fantasized sheer nonsense? Aren’t your sermons tissues of lies, saying ‘God says . . .’ when I’ve done nothing of the kind? Therefore—and this is the Message of God, the Master, remember—I’m dead set against prophets who substitute illusions for visions and use sermons to tell lies. I’m going to ban them from the council of my people, remove them from membership in Israel, and outlaw them from the land of Israel. Then you’ll realize that I am God, the Master.
    “The fact is that they’ve lied to my people. They’ve said, ‘No problem; everything’s just fine,’ when things are not at all fine. When people build a wall, they’re right behind them slapping on whitewash. Tell those who are slapping on the whitewash, ‘When a torrent of rain comes and the hailstones crash down and the hurricane sweeps in and the wall collapses, what’s the good of the whitewash that you slapped on so liberally, making it look so good?’
    We heard Prov 3:5,6 repetitively as JWs, but I don’t recall verse 7 accompanying it:
    Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
        and do not rely on your own insight.
    6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
        and he will make straight your paths.
    Do not be wise in your own eyes;
        fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
    If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it.  Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”!  Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable.  Over more than a century, the collective human organization still has not found the wisdom of God, and they never will. (Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16)  Wisdom comes from obedience to God’s laws in Jesus Christ…to his word. (Prov 7:1;Jer 35:13;John 14:23; James 1:22)  They have broken these laws by teaching doctrine of men, and by many other atrocities they have committed. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1:8,9)
    Does their ability to conceal their secret library from the public as well as JWs, mean they believe they can hide their rotten fruit from Jesus Christ as well?  (Matt 7:7-29; John 15:1-11,16)
    Mark well that God doesn’t miss a move you make;
        he’s aware of every step you take.
    The shadow of your sin will overtake you;
        you’ll find yourself stumbling all over yourself in the dark.
    Death is the reward of an undisciplined life;
        your foolish decisions trap you in a dead end.    Prov 5:21-23
     
    Victory of Christ
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    In a twisted way, they have made this distinction partially through their private database.  As doctrine changes and new publications are eventually dropped, the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong".   I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value.  I’m sure the writing committee and the GB relies on these “gems” when forming their new articles and talks; and it comes through as "wisdom", wearing a new coat of paint, but still its origin is from the garbage heap.  
    Sometimes the Message Bible gets right to the point.
    Ezekiel chapter 13
    God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, preach against the prophets of Israel who are making things up out of their own heads and calling it ‘prophesying.’ “Preach to them the real thing. Tell them, ‘Listen to God’s Message!’ God, the Master, pronounces doom on the empty-headed prophets who do their own thing and know nothing of what’s going on! Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals scavenging through the ruins. They haven’t lifted a finger to repair the defenses of the city and have risked nothing to help Israel stand on God’s Day of Judgment. All they do is fantasize comforting illusions and preach lying sermons. They say ‘God says . . .’ when God hasn’t so much as breathed in their direction. And yet they stand around thinking that something they said is going to happen.“   
    Haven’t you fantasized sheer nonsense? Aren’t your sermons tissues of lies, saying ‘God says . . .’ when I’ve done nothing of the kind? Therefore—and this is the Message of God, the Master, remember—I’m dead set against prophets who substitute illusions for visions and use sermons to tell lies. I’m going to ban them from the council of my people, remove them from membership in Israel, and outlaw them from the land of Israel. Then you’ll realize that I am God, the Master.
    “The fact is that they’ve lied to my people. They’ve said, ‘No problem; everything’s just fine,’ when things are not at all fine. When people build a wall, they’re right behind them slapping on whitewash. Tell those who are slapping on the whitewash, ‘When a torrent of rain comes and the hailstones crash down and the hurricane sweeps in and the wall collapses, what’s the good of the whitewash that you slapped on so liberally, making it look so good?’
    We heard Prov 3:5,6 repetitively as JWs, but I don’t recall verse 7 accompanying it:
    Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
        and do not rely on your own insight.
    6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
        and he will make straight your paths.
    Do not be wise in your own eyes;
        fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
    If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it.  Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”!  Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable.  Over more than a century, the collective human organization still has not found the wisdom of God, and they never will. (Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16)  Wisdom comes from obedience to God’s laws in Jesus Christ…to his word. (Prov 7:1;Jer 35:13;John 14:23; James 1:22)  They have broken these laws by teaching doctrine of men, and by many other atrocities they have committed. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1:8,9)
    Does their ability to conceal their secret library from the public as well as JWs, mean they believe they can hide their rotten fruit from Jesus Christ as well?  (Matt 7:7-29; John 15:1-11,16)
    Mark well that God doesn’t miss a move you make;
        he’s aware of every step you take.
    The shadow of your sin will overtake you;
        you’ll find yourself stumbling all over yourself in the dark.
    Death is the reward of an undisciplined life;
        your foolish decisions trap you in a dead end.    Prov 5:21-23
     
    Victory of Christ
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    JW elders have access via their password to log in to an electronic database that is not available to other JW members. How big the database is and what it contains depends on how much permission their status gives them, which they received from Bethel or WTJWorg. Can each elder access the same database as high-ranking Bethelite? Probably not. But let those who know say.
    Although it is not surprising that not every JW member can access the entire database of the organization to which he belongs (because this is the case in all other normal "secular" organizations/institutions, so WTJWorg is no different in this regard, because it is ultimately "human organization"), remains a worrying realization that the history of "God's earthly organization" contains doctrines and practices that cannot be attributed to a  "God's guidance" and "true truth" that clearly separates the right from the wrong.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    "Get the facts"...I am confident with the facts I received through the video, and I can wait for further validation.  Be patient, it will come.
    "...does not mean everything should be accepted as truth without legitimately looking into it"
    That's good advice, that you didn't follow as you looked into my supposed association with a pedophile  that you debated with.  Did you accept the facts, yet?  I don't think so. SM, you have as your identity a storm trooper.  Did you ever think that alone could stumble someone if they looked up the "facts" about the meaning behind "storm troop"?  It's very possible, isn't it. They may ask, what are you hiding behind the mask?   1 Cor 4:5  
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    "riddled with opinions", said by a man who was never a JW, unlike the narrator of this video who happens to also be a past member of Bethel as well.  His first-hand exposure to the facts, is eye-opening.  
    We are each allowed our opinions, but this video can be understood by any exjw, as evidence of hypocrisy by an organization that has kept its complete data base out of sight and access, from the general JW population.  This enables the organization to safely rewrite their history, which they have accomplished.  JWs are discouraged from seeking non JW material, but on the deeper layer of the online library, there is a list of "Non JW" material for the "elite" class to reference.  Does this mean that those individuals with access, are better in some way than the general JW?  No, It only feeds into their power over the lower class of JWs.  
    Isa 29:15 - Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?”
    Being a JW, was like swimming in murky water, never clear of truth. (Ezek 34:18 ) These leaders have chosen to build their own cistern, not holding the living water of God and Jesus Christ, but based on the doctrine of men. (John 7:37,38; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 1:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Mark 7:7) Their teachings, their "water", is not only poison, but cannot be held in a cracked cistern for very long, and the video has assisted in exposing  just one of its many cracks.  (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 2:12,13; 9:3-6,15)
    The "secret" online library is nothing but the doctrine of men - of false teachers/false prophets, who have deceived the "elect".  (Matt 24:24,25)
     
    Mark of Slavery
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    "riddled with opinions", said by a man who was never a JW, unlike the narrator of this video who happens to also be a past member of Bethel as well.  His first-hand exposure to the facts, is eye-opening.  
    We are each allowed our opinions, but this video can be understood by any exjw, as evidence of hypocrisy by an organization that has kept its complete data base out of sight and access, from the general JW population.  This enables the organization to safely rewrite their history, which they have accomplished.  JWs are discouraged from seeking non JW material, but on the deeper layer of the online library, there is a list of "Non JW" material for the "elite" class to reference.  Does this mean that those individuals with access, are better in some way than the general JW?  No, It only feeds into their power over the lower class of JWs.  
    Isa 29:15 - Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?”
    Being a JW, was like swimming in murky water, never clear of truth. (Ezek 34:18 ) These leaders have chosen to build their own cistern, not holding the living water of God and Jesus Christ, but based on the doctrine of men. (John 7:37,38; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 1:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Mark 7:7) Their teachings, their "water", is not only poison, but cannot be held in a cracked cistern for very long, and the video has assisted in exposing  just one of its many cracks.  (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 2:12,13; 9:3-6,15)
    The "secret" online library is nothing but the doctrine of men - of false teachers/false prophets, who have deceived the "elect".  (Matt 24:24,25)
     
    Mark of Slavery
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Here's the link:  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog.  
    There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.  Luke 12:2
     
  15. Haha
    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    "riddled with opinions", said by a man who was never a JW, unlike the narrator of this video who happens to also be a past member of Bethel as well.  His first-hand exposure to the facts, is eye-opening.  
    We are each allowed our opinions, but this video can be understood by any exjw, as evidence of hypocrisy by an organization that has kept its complete data base out of sight and access, from the general JW population.  This enables the organization to safely rewrite their history, which they have accomplished.  JWs are discouraged from seeking non JW material, but on the deeper layer of the online library, there is a list of "Non JW" material for the "elite" class to reference.  Does this mean that those individuals with access, are better in some way than the general JW?  No, It only feeds into their power over the lower class of JWs.  
    Isa 29:15 - Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?”
    Being a JW, was like swimming in murky water, never clear of truth. (Ezek 34:18 ) These leaders have chosen to build their own cistern, not holding the living water of God and Jesus Christ, but based on the doctrine of men. (John 7:37,38; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 1:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Mark 7:7) Their teachings, their "water", is not only poison, but cannot be held in a cracked cistern for very long, and the video has assisted in exposing  just one of its many cracks.  (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 2:12,13; 9:3-6,15)
    The "secret" online library is nothing but the doctrine of men - of false teachers/false prophets, who have deceived the "elect".  (Matt 24:24,25)
     
    Mark of Slavery
     
     
  16. Like
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    "riddled with opinions", said by a man who was never a JW, unlike the narrator of this video who happens to also be a past member of Bethel as well.  His first-hand exposure to the facts, is eye-opening.  
    We are each allowed our opinions, but this video can be understood by any exjw, as evidence of hypocrisy by an organization that has kept its complete data base out of sight and access, from the general JW population.  This enables the organization to safely rewrite their history, which they have accomplished.  JWs are discouraged from seeking non JW material, but on the deeper layer of the online library, there is a list of "Non JW" material for the "elite" class to reference.  Does this mean that those individuals with access, are better in some way than the general JW?  No, It only feeds into their power over the lower class of JWs.  
    Isa 29:15 - Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?”
    Being a JW, was like swimming in murky water, never clear of truth. (Ezek 34:18 ) These leaders have chosen to build their own cistern, not holding the living water of God and Jesus Christ, but based on the doctrine of men. (John 7:37,38; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 1:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Mark 7:7) Their teachings, their "water", is not only poison, but cannot be held in a cracked cistern for very long, and the video has assisted in exposing  just one of its many cracks.  (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 2:12,13; 9:3-6,15)
    The "secret" online library is nothing but the doctrine of men - of false teachers/false prophets, who have deceived the "elect".  (Matt 24:24,25)
     
    Mark of Slavery
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Here's the link:  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog.  
    There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.  Luke 12:2
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Here's the link:  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog.  
    There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.  Luke 12:2
     
  20. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Here's the link:  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog.  
    There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.  Luke 12:2
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Truthseeker in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from b4ucuhear in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in BETHEL'S BIG SECRET   
    Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are Elders, "gods"?   
    I have used YHVH, YHWH, and Yahweh.    
    No.  
     
    I already outlined the role of the spiritual priesthood under Christ.  The elder "priesthood" is an evil dichotomy transgressing the laws of God.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are Elders, "gods"?   
    Zech. 10:2 – “For the household gods utter nonsense, and the diviners see lies; they tell false dreams and give empty consolation. Therefore the people wander like sheep; they are afflicted for lack of a shepherd.”
    The term “household gods” refers to the Hebrew word “teraphim”, which means “healer”, a family idol, an image.  Teraphim could be rather large and in the shape of a human. They were consulted in divination, and derived from a root word meaning, “comfort”; thus, the teraphim god was a “giver of comfort”. (Gen 31:19; 1 Sam 19:13; Judges 17:5; 18-20; Hos 3:4,5)
    Their role with the “diviners” of Zech 10:2 can be seen in Ezek. 21:21 -
    “For the king of Babylon stands at the fork of the road at the head of the two roads to practice divination. He shakes the arrows, he inquires with the teraphim, he sees with the liver..” 
    (Diviner - “one who pretends to predict events”, “false prophets of Israel”  - Micah 3:6)
    Consider if you will, the elder body. Can they be symbolically viewed as the teraphim – as gods?  It is stressed in the organization that congregation elders provide “spiritual support and comfort” and are “protectors of the flock”.  They are the governing leader’s “Helpers” whom they consult with, through the writing committee and many other committees that are part of the organization. 
    Jesus had asked the question in John 10:34-36, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?”
    He is quoting from Ps 82:6 - I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.”
    As “sons of the Most High”, God’s holy people, the anointed priesthood, are “gods”. 
    Gal 3:26 – “or through faith you are all sons of God in Christ Jesus.”
    They form, as priestly “living stones”, the spiritual house, the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19; Eph 2:20-22)
    God’s early priests were to teach the people His instructions. (Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7)
    Since the advent of Jesus Christ - the High Priest and chief cornerstone of the spiritual Temple -  God’s chosen priests are given a token of spiritual understanding, with God’s laws written on their heart. (Matt 13:12; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Heb 8:10,1,2; 10:19-22)  
    They must teach the word of God to all, as ambassadors of Christ. (2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9)
    To his faithful priests who walk in his path upholding his truths, Jesus gives “hidden manna”. (Luke 9:23; Matt 4:4; John 17:17; 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:7,17,18)
    Yes, those to whom Christ gives hidden manna, take in the power of eternal life, through the spirit and it's seed placed within them (1 Pet 1:23; Rom 8:9). It then dwells within them (Luke 8:8,15).
    They have authority to give it to yet others who receive them. They become messengers (Greek: "angels") of heavenly bread (Mal.2:7; 1Cor.4:1)
    (John6:51,55; 1Cor.12:27; 10:17; John1:51)
    and of living water (John7:38; Rev.22:17,1,2; Jer.17:7,8; Ps.1:3; Prov.11:28; Isa.61:3; Eze.47:12; John15:16,8; 14:12,13; Gen.22:15,18; Gal.3:29)
     (John7:38; Luke6:45,44; Matt.7:20).
    Possessing the power to impart eternal life...."gods", indeed!
    Pearl Doxsey 
    Can the “uncircumcised” elder body, fit this description? (Ezek 44:7,9)  No.  The organization loosely uses the term, “God’s house” to define not only its physical “Bethel”, its kingdom halls, and various buildings, but also its people.  It has removed the distinction between the righteous and the unrighteous, the clean and the unclean, by allowing a “Gentile” elder body to replace God’s priests.  (Num 3:10;18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2)   These men are false “gods”/false priests of a greater idol.  While the anointed are to represent the image of God’s Temple and dwelling of His Spirit (1 Cor 3:16), the elders represent the image of “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”.  (Rev 13:14-17)
    The scriptures refer to teraphim as an abomination. (1 Kings 23:24) 
     To correlate this abomination as “gods” within God’s sanctuary, the word “abomination” in Matt 24:15, is translated as,
    “a foul thing, a detestable thing, of idols and things pertaining to idolatry.”
    Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    The abomination certainly is the elder body “standing in” or stationed unofficially, as ‘representatives’ of the royal priesthood…becoming its own priesthood, and firmly establishing its power and false authority over the holy place”/Temple of God. (Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Being granted that role by the wicked slave/governing leaders, has resulted in the removal of the priestly “daily sacrifice” and the trampling of the “living stones” of God’s Temple.  (Dan 8:11-13; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-4) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3BDan+8%3A11-13%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Rev+9%3A1-4&version=NKJV
    In 2 Kings 23:24, the household gods and “all abominations” were removed by King Josiah “in order to establish the words of the law written on the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the temple of YHVH.”  The anointed today, have been silenced in the organization.  Under the presence of the “abomination”, the laws of God written on the anointed heart are rejected for the laws of men. (2 Kings 17:7,8; Ps 10:13; Amos 2:4)  Christ’s teachings are either polluted or ignored. (Dan 8:12; Matt 5:17-19; Mark 7:7,8; John 12:47-48; Gal 1:11,12) 
    It is an outright lie, that the organization carries God’s blessing and is inhabited by His Spirit, when His laws are blasphemed by the “abomination standing in the holy place”. (2 Chron 7:19-21; Jer 7:11,15; 1 Cor 3:17; 2 Thess 2:4,8; Rev 14:9-11)
    The priesthood has been ordered by the governing leaders to remain distinctly separate from one another. This too is blasphemy, and sadly the anointed have been fooled into believing it is a decree coming from God.  (Ezek 44:6-9; Mal 1,2,7,8,11) (Mark 13:2; 1 Cor 12:25-27; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-15; Mal 2:9)
    “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.”  Dan 11:36-38
    The Hebrew word for “fortresses” means a place of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold.  For JWs, the organization is perceived as such; a refuge and place of spiritual protection, but also each elder is said to reflect these qualities. 
    Yes, I believe the characteristics of the teraphim can be compared to the Body of Elders, the “abomination”, replacing God’s priesthood and blaspheming His spiritual Temple. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7)
    Elders are the assumed spiritual “healers” and are consulted for protection, comfort and guidance, in conjunction with the “diviners”, or the false prophets/ governing leaders. (Matt 7:15; 24:24; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 13:11,15)
     
    Knowing these things (about the identity of the "gods")
    helps us to interpret prophecy accurately, such as 2 Thess 2:4....

    "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called god or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God**."

    Although we were taught while within the "Watchtower", that this "man of lawlessness" (2 Thess 2:3,4) pertains to "Christendom";
    We now see that this is an identity that actually comes to dominate the authentic anointed.... the genuine priests of "God's temple" (1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:10).
    This is in harmony with so many scriptures that speak about the final condition of the anointed while being trampled by Gentiles ("man of lawlessness")
    (Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7; Isa 5:5; 63:18; Dan 8:13; Rev 11:2).
     Who are the "gods"?
     
     
     
     
     
     

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