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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Witness in Permission to get baptized   
    I would have to agree, it is serious and should not be taken lightly. However, the number of children baptized into being jws is pretty high and when Tony Morris is telling folks to keep a drivers license away from a child UNTIL they get baptized, leads me to believe that a jw baptism is done for many reasons other then the individual's seriousness towards God. 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Permission to get baptized   
    Yes, Tom, I should have worded it differently. Choose one:
     
    Srecko destroyed your attempt at sarcasm here in this post,
    Srecko destroyed your post.
    Srecko dismantled your sarcasm here in this post,
     
    Point is still, without trying, he made your statement void before you even said it. 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Permission to get baptized   
    I find it quite funny that Srecko destroyed your inability to form sarcasm here in this post, without intent, with his example of the Ethiopian and Phillip before your comment. 
    Acts 8: 35-38
    Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
     As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?”  And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in Only jws will be saved   
    JW baptism requires making a dedicated vow to the organization.  There is no opting out of the second question one must answer "yes" to.  
    2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?” 
    No other baptism outside of the organization would be recognized as valid by JWs.  Can one be called a “Christian”, a follower of Christ if not part of  “Jehovah’s organization”?  That is certainly a conundrum for JWs to face if someone at the door or cart says, "I'm a Christian."    I know when I heard people say this at a door, I was totally convinced they were NOT really Christians, but part of "Babylon" - pagans.   And here we are, seeing JWs dedicating themselves to an organization at the time of baptism; a blatant act of idolatry.  
    Can one be a slave to two Masters?  Matt 6:24
    "These people have exchanged God’s truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen! "   Rom 1:25
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Only jws will be saved   
    You are trying very hard to say yes and no at the same time.
    The fact of the matter is that the wt says one must be a baptized jw in order to survive.
    It is so black and white that no one batted an eye when Tony Morris was telling people how to force children to get baptized. 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Permission to get baptized   
    I find it quite funny that Srecko destroyed your inability to form sarcasm here in this post, without intent, with his example of the Ethiopian and Phillip before your comment. 
    Acts 8: 35-38
    Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
     As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?”  And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
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    Shiwiii reacted to Srecko Sostar in Permission to get baptized   
    We have, it seems two sort of "burden" or "yoke". And two ways how implement this in person?s life.
    We have Jesus' "burden" he ask us to carry. 
    And we see "Organizational" way of implementations of principles set by Jesus. Organization as such have need to broaden administrative system of ruling over people. If person want to candidate for some job, he have to give his CV and answer on questions by boss. If you want to be as volunteer member in one religious organization, not to be paid for work you done in own name, but under elders leadership, you are also obligated to be guided by some rules. It seems logical, BUT we have here some spiritual moments that make this 80 questions as human invention not empowered by spirit. In example of man who, after some time/hours of talking with Philip said, See, here is water!  
    And this example is not unique in Bible.
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Witness in Only jws will be saved   
    So........do you align with the statement in the wt? Do you tell this to others while in service? Cart sitting? 
    "Only those baptized jws will survive" 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Only jws will be saved   
    That is NOT the question asked Tom, the question asked is in the posts above.:
     
    "do you align with the statement in the wt that ONLY baptized jws will survive Armageddon? Do you tell this to others while in service? Cart sitting?"
     
    its really not hard, unless you don't know what to say because you want to say both yes and no. Do you align or do you not? 
     
    interesting point, but please consider the thief on the cross next to Jesus, was he baptized?
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    Shiwiii reacted to Srecko Sostar in Norwegian talk show "Nytt på Nytt" making fun of Jehovah's Witnesses - English subtitles   
    quote from source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1990083
    2 It is vital that we identify this man of lawlessness. Why? Because he is intent on undermining our good standing with God and our hope of eternal life. How? By getting us to abandon the truth and to believe falsehoods in its place, thus diverting us from worshiping God “with spirit and truth.” (John 4:23) It is evident from his actions that this particular lawless element opposes God and his purposes, as well as his dedicated people......So the expression “man of lawlessness” must stand for a body, or class, of people......8 Who are they? The evidence shows that they are the body of proud, ambitious clergymen of Christendom, who over the centuries have set themselves up as a law unto themselves. This can be seen by the fact that there are thousands of different religions and sects in Christendom, each with its clergy, yet each conflicting with the others in some aspect of doctrine or practice. This divided state is a clear evidence that they do not follow God’s law. They cannot be from God. .....
    9 Thus, this lawless one is a composite person: the religious clergy of Christendom. ......
    0 History shows that those in this man of lawlessness class have displayed such pride and arrogance that they have actually dictated to rulers of the world. Under the pretext of the doctrine of ‘the divine right of kings,’ the clergy have claimed to be the essential intermediary between the rulers and God. They have crowned and dethroned kings and emperors and have been able to turn the masses for or against rulers......
    This explanation is from 1990 w90 2/1 pp. 10-14 . But it is older than 1990 article.  
    WT Society have no power over GB as Gerrit Lösch explained in his deposition to US Court. But GB have power over anointed individuals and over elders class and over members too. GB explained that they are essential as mediators or substitution to Christ between people and JHVH.  To keep in relationship with "our Savior, God," the "great crowd" needs to remain united with the remnant of spiritual Israelites." Watchtower 1979 Nov 15 p.27 Benefiting from "One Mediator Between God and Men"
    We are aware of teaching that WT Society said clearly how FDS is GB. Other people who thinking about self as remnant of spiritual Israelites have no significance and important role to "great crowd", because GB is class who guide people to safety and New World. By such idea, GB taking same blame as "Christendom Clergy".
    As we all accepting, Bible is two edge sword. Because of that, all what WT Society using against so called Christendom, can be used against them and GB. Clear and simple :)))  
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in Norwegian talk show "Nytt på Nytt" making fun of Jehovah's Witnesses - English subtitles   
    How will this version of the "man of lawlessness" conquer/overcome the anointed ones?  How will it "sit" in/ rule over the "saints"? Which servants of God are exposing this "man of lawlessness" that has invaded the Temple? The GB?  Rev 11:1-3   You are believing in a counterfeit fulfillment. You are very knowledgeable of the politics and religions of the world, the physical conditions that Satan maneuvers using his authority to do so.  Yet, your spiritual "eyes" fail to see that the Temple - the anointed "living stones" and "dwelling place" of God, has already been "trampled" by your organization's rule over them.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 11:1,2
     Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.  2 Thess 2:3,4
    Rev 13:5,7:   "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."
    Reason on this: If the "man of lawlessness" has been exposed as present in the religions of the world, how are the anointed "saints"  to be overcome by the potential unity of the Catholic religion with other "abrahamic" religions?  
    Christ has already been removed as the Head of the anointed Body.  The "saints" are ruled over and judged by the GB, and elders who "represent" them as priests.  When any of the anointed refuse to acknowledge the "image" of the organization as "spirit-directed", they are spiritually "killed".  Rev 13:14-18
    You are being deceived.  Rev 19:20; 20:7-10
     
     
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The testimonies of former followers   
    I have no problem with that statement .... EXCEPT ... your entire family and extended family is severed from you, as if cut by a knife chopping off both of your arms.
    ..... or as the Black Knight said in Monty Pythons movie  when his arms were cut off by King Arthur "...merely a flesh wound".
    Like a smashed vase that can be re-glued together ... there are pieces that cannot ... and that is permanent.
     
     
    Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch.mp4
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in And you think the Trinity is confusing?   
    JWs!  WHY do you continually make the comparison of the GB to Moses, an inspired prophet who received messages directly from God?  Moses spoke of the prophet to come, as God’s Son! It is HIS teachings that we are to adhere to:
    17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.”   Deut 18:17-19
    If there were to be 7,8,12 men to lead God’s people in the remaining days as Moses did, where does Jesus Christ fit in?  The organization has raised up another “Moses”; one who presents teachings that repeatedly fall short of pure truth.
     20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, (the organization) that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
    Your “frail and imperfect men” sit in the seat of Moses.  They have put themselves there, and are comfortable misleading all JWs to believe it.  Now I clearly see a distinct connection of “false Messiahs” that deceive the “saints”/anointed and companions in the last days, as the organization’s GB. 
    For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  (“elect” – “chosen by God” – Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9)  Matt 24:24
    If they are to mislead God’s chosen people, they must also speak of Jesus and some truth, right?  Paul warned that Jesus’ teachings would be twisted:
    3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
    “other than the Jesus we preached” – the apostles never compared themselves to Moses.  They spoke continually of Christ and the Father. 
    “a different gospel” – the WT has become your safety net, your salvation.  Never did the apostles preach “organization” as one’s salvation.  On the contrary, they taught:
    “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12
    These "frail and imperfect men" do not have a "hope" they will be in heaven - they state they WILL be in heaven.  
    Gerrit Losch:  “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.”
    Are these men truly false messiahs?  Yes. They have already judged themselves as worthy to rule in heaven.  From what I read in the scriptures, that judgement is left in the hands of the true Messiah.  Matt 25:14-30
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Matthew9969 in And you think the Trinity is confusing?   
    The judges of Israel were not called faithful and discreet slaves. The trinity isn't confusing at all to true Christians. But 7 men who claim to be one man, I'll expand this even further, these 7 men claim to be 1 man and also claim to be Jehovah, now that is out of this world weird doctrine.
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    Shiwiii reacted to Matthew9969 in FRIENDSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH MATERIAL RICHES?   
    Yep, build a billion dollar high security luxury compound, Beth Sarim part 2.
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    Shiwiii reacted to JW Insider in DATELINE, 0CTOBER 8, 2019 SUPREME COURT REJECTS WATCHTOWER APPEAL ON SEX ABUSE CASE   
    I have been married to my wife for 40 years, less one. (39).
    She is 4 years older than I am, which means that there was a time when she was 8 and I was only 4!
    The shame!!
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in DATELINE, 0CTOBER 8, 2019 SUPREME COURT REJECTS WATCHTOWER APPEAL ON SEX ABUSE CASE   
    this is pretty much all you needed to say. We all know there is a problem and the article points out a reason why it is a problem. Doesn't matter if it is leaders or regular joes committing the crimes, it is the leaders who are covering it up. 
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in FRIENDSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH MATERIAL RICHES?   
    The WT publication continues: 
     Jesus also says that those who are faithful in caring for and using whatever riches or material things they have will be faithful in caring for matters of greater importance. “Therefore,” Jesus points out, “if you have not proved yourselves faithful in connection with the unrighteous riches, who will entrust you with what is true [such as Kingdom interests]?”—Luke 16:11.
    Jesus is showing his disciples that much will be asked of them if they are to be received “into the everlasting dwelling places.” One cannot be a true servant of God and at the same time be a slave to unrighteous, material riches. 
    If 8 million people are handing over material riches to one entity, who is it that is a slave to material riches?  It is the people who operate the entity, and who convince the 8 million people, that a “true servant of God” will do so, since the entity states their eternal lives depend…on the entity.  Although, the 8 million people have also become slaves to material riches, which are bound up in the entity that they believe will lead them to eternal life.
     This is idolatry.  Exod 23:13; Jonah 2:8; Ps 16:4; Acts 17:29; Rom 1:25
    “They lift it upon the shoulder and carry it;
    They set it in its place (in one’s mind and heart) and it stands there.
    It does not move from its place.
    Though one may cry to it, it cannot answer;
    It cannot deliver him from his distress.  Isa 46:7
     “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”  Matt 11:28-30
    A comment made a few years back...
    The meaning of unrighteous riches can be seen in 1 Cor 4:8 –  “You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us—and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you!”
    This steward was cutting the debts owed to the Master, Jesus, using practical “earthly” wisdom to save his own soul, but he had no authority to do so.  Each anointed in God’s house owe the Master a debt.  Thus, the steward’s wisdom is centered not on the Kingdom, as a son of light, but on acquiring power and authority over all in God’s House, as a “son of this system of things”. 
    If this steward was to ‘make friends’ by sharing authority with all in the house, he would later be judged by his fellow servants, as faithful.  John 20:23
    Jesus requires each servant of his house to give obedience to him only, not to one who thrives on “unrighteous riches”, who assumes the Master’s belongings are in his control.   John 14:23,15; 8:51; 15:10; 1 John 2:5
    It is true that when one exercises power and authority over others, material, worldly wealth come along with it.  Ezek 16:14,15; Jer 2:20; Rev 2:21; 17:4; 18:3,7,12-14
    But never did Jesus give the indication that material wealth could gain one advantage into the Kingdom. We know his entire message was to follow him, leaving behind anyone and anything, for his name’s sake.  By doing so, he promised those would receive “a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life”.  Matt 19:29
    Matt 19:16-14; 18:16-24
    Jesus’ parable of the steward in Luke 16:1-15 and the wicked slave in Matt 18:31-35 harmonize in giving a clear picture of the present day situation of undue authority over God’s house by the self-proposed “faithful and discreet slave”, assuming command through the use of tyrannical “unrighteous riches”. 
     
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in FRIENDSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH MATERIAL RICHES?   
    Jesus - The Way, the Truth, the Life
    Chapter 87
    "Only Jehovah God and his Son can receive someone into the heavenly Kingdom or the Paradise on earth under that Kingdom. We should diligently cultivate friendship with them by using what material riches we have in supporting Kingdom interests. Our everlasting future will thus be assured when gold, silver, and other material riches fail or perish."
    This is saying we can buy, with material riches,  a friendship with God and Christ.  We can buy, with material riches, our way to eternal life. Do you believe this, JWs?
    No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.  Matt 6:24
    Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”  When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”  Matt 19:21-26
    Jesus didn't say give to an organization that is highly developed and ready to expand to twice its present size.    He said, give to the poor, to those in need.   You've been duped into believing that donating to the organization will secure your "everlasting future".  Does the Bible say anywhere that money is necessary to gain eternal life?  Perhaps, money is necessary to feed the dreams of men and their expanding organization.  Perhaps money is necessary to feed an idol that promises salvation.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,4,8
    Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income.   This too is meaningless.  Eccl 5:10
    Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.  1 Tim 6:17-19
    Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.  1 John 2:15-17
    The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.”  Luke 16:14
    Can we secure a friendship with the Father and Christ with material riches - money - when it is said...
    For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.  1 Tim 6:10
     
     
    To understand the parable of the  "Wasteful Steward", go to - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot, Pearl Doxsey
     
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in DATELINE, 0CTOBER 8, 2019 SUPREME COURT REJECTS WATCHTOWER APPEAL ON SEX ABUSE CASE   
    divergenceKO:
    Apparently the fat lady has sang, and for the corrupt Watchtower Lawyers who care ONLY about their client's monetary interest (... as they are actually legally responsible to do ...), and NOTHING about Truth and Justice, and Righteousness, the metal Opera helmet with the horns is theirs to wear.
    The California Appellate Court has already spoken, to wit:
    What they did in Delaware by trying to delay Justice in a CSA case by TRYING to change the venue to a court more distant and seriously overloaded was crafty, brilliant .... and despicable.
    Your opinions have a complete disregard for facts, which is why you never provide any ... just agenda driven fantasies, like the Nazi who actually believes in his heart of hearts that World War II was about the Third Reich bringing the wonders of German civilization and progress to improve the rest of the world.
    Most Likely?
    MOST LIKELY?
    THAT IS COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS, because it is ONLY your agenda driven hope, and not based on any facts.
    Without facts your opinions have no value whatsoever. 
    Zip, Zero, Nada, Goose Eggs!
    Remember the old TV dairy commercial of yesteryear .. "Got Milk?"
    Well...
    Got Facts?
    ...so far you have none, whatsoever.
    Only your demented, delusional fantasy, supported and enconced by a great pantheon of additional delusional fantasys, completely integrated into your Watchtower Derangement Syndrome world view.
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Racism in "The Truth"   
    That's why SOME men used to like Hillary Clinton Pantsuits.
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    Shiwiii reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    about sad people:
    On hearing this, Jesus told them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
    about sole service of God:
    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Dear JWI, I know you are fairly aware of what I believe, so hopefully I don't get too carried away here.
    I do not have nearly the knowledge of scripture that Pearl has.  Inspiration of Holy Spirit among anointed is not a rare thing.  On the contrary, those who remain “in Christ” would be inspired to speak according to scripture – according to the direction the Holy Spirit would lead them.  Although it is “one Spirit”, each member of the anointed body would reveal its workings through the gifts individually given them. 1 Cor 12:7  Pearl’s gift benefits the other members – and all who care to listen -  in an exclusive way. 1 Cor 12:11
    I don’t think I would call those who have been disfellowshipped or shunned after say, 10-50 years spent in the organization, as “immature Witnesses”.  The authority over JWs, is an iron fist in a velvet glove.  The impact may not be felt, not perceived, until one stands up against its leaders.  Surely, you know that people who speak against a “leadership” for misguiding individuals with wrong teachings or expectations, put their lives at risk.  Those who do so in the organization, are the “mature ones”, who take hold of their own spiritual lives. They realize our judgment of eternal life or death comes from Christ. Rom 14:10 The assumed authority by men to judge people as spiritually “dead”, according to a big thick manual, (that is considered “confidential”) is frightening, isn’t it?  To accept such authority (or 'leadership') over JWs, when the organization digs in their heals to resist facing their own sins, is hypocrisy. How can love spring forth from a leadership of hypocrisy?
    I so wish you could consider the “weightier matters” that I know you see, instead of justifying and making amends for the existence of the *organization, by straining out the gnat and swallowing a *camel.  Matt 23:23,24
    I’m curious how the Bible reveals that an earthly organization in Satan’s realm, could possibly be used as a tool for Christ’s Kingdom interests.  Christ and Satan are enemies.  Why would Christ utilize power, authority, and material interests that are all that Satan lusts after, and freely gives others who desire it, (as the “ruler of this world” John 12:31)… to embellish his Kingdom interests?  Luke 4:5-7 
    John 18:36: Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
    His only interest is in the hearts of individuals.  If we submit individually to his authority, we become a “kingdom interest”.  Luke 17:21  It doesn’t take an organization to do this.
    About trees and fruit.  Genesis mentions two trees. Gen 2:9 The tree that Eve eventually “ate” from, produced death. Rom 5:12  Satan offered her a lie, and she not only accepted it, but shared this lie with Adam.  BOTH lost the gift of life.    Jesus, as the Word of life, is the “tree” of life.  Gen 3:22; John 1:1,14 
    He told us how we are to “eat” from the tree of life:
    "Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”  John 6:57
    “For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
    34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
    35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.”  John 6:33,34
    Through our obedience to his teachings, he says:
    "Let anyone who has ears to hear listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.”  Rev 2:7 (also 22:14)
    Since Christ is the Head of the anointed Body, his bodily members are also considered “trees”.  We know there would be no deviance, no misleading word or teaching coming from the mouth of Christ, since each word he spoke, contained life.  John 14:6  There is no “bad fruit” that Christ would produce.  So too, should it be with the anointed “trees” (or, branches of the vine) that are to “remain in him” – receiving the same Holy Spirit.  John 15:4; Mark 11:24; John 14:26 
    The anointed must learn, from their Head, Christ.  It is only then that they also, can produce lasting “fruit”/teachings sourced from Holy Spirit.  John 6:56; Mal 2:7
    Well, could you be ignoring what Jesus taught about a “good tree”?  Would you be justifying WT’s teachings by doing so? He didn’t say both bad and good fruit are found on a good tree. Matt 7:18; 12:33
    “For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit”  Luke 6:43
     Surely, since the Pharisees knew the law, there were good things that they taught the people (Matt 23:3),  but they were not considered by John the Baptist as a tree that imparted “good fruit”.  Matt 3:7-10
    There is a clear distinction between what is good and what is bad in the Bible.  A “good” anointed tree would be found trustworthy to produce “fruit” sourced in Christ – always reliable, always lasting, teachings that always are able to be built upon.    John 15:16  If an anointed one misleads his hearers with a worthless piece of fruit – a “teaching” that he said is from God but is now discarded, how is this any different than the lie Satan told Eve?  Dear JWI, you are believing that “surely we will not die” because it is okay to accept doctrine from the leaders of “Jehovah’s organization” that was absolutely, a lie to begin with. 
    Satan is “sifting” all of us by using “teachings”/words/lies, from his own bodily members - his “ministers of light”. Luke 22:31; 2 Cor 11:13-15  This is why, during the last days both truth and lies are presented by anointed “trees”/ “kings of the earth”.  Rev 1:5; 19:16,19  Which “tree” of those “kings" we choose to listen to, is what our heart desires.  Matt 10:40-42; 15:18; 2 Thess 2:9-12
    In the Kingdom, along with the “tree of life”, are found his “trees”/Bride:
    Ezek 47:12 -- "All kinds of trees providing food will grow along both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fresh fruit because the water comes from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for medicine."
    Rev 22:17 - “The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.”
    John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
    And...I got carried away. 
     
    "Two Trees" - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot Pearl Doxsey
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Matthew9969 in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Anyone on the outside of your cult can clearly see that your governing body are the ones blaspheming Jehovah by claiming they are Him, selling false prophecies in His name, changing/reversing doctrine in His name, killing others in His name. Your governing body has said they are Gods mouthpiece. 
    Jehovah is perfection, Jehovah would not give the governing body information one day, then a few years later tell the governing body that that information was false/wrong and had new information. 
    Your governing body is calling Jehovah an imperfect being, and you worship them so you are as guilty as your governing body.
    My God is a mighty perfect God, not found in a building or a group of men.
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    Shiwiii reacted to Matthew9969 in JW.org Says Apostates are "Mentally Diseased"   
    I am proud to be labeled as an apostate to the jw religion. But an apostate to God never will I be. Jw's have their own dictionary, so their definition of mentally diseased is different from societies.
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