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No. I like to be fair, so I hope my perception was fair too. I generally try not to defend something that is obviously wrong or indefensible.
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I love your take on this. Can I quote you? Just kidding. Honestly, this is how I view things already, which is great because it eliminates all that stress of feeling guilted etc. If you are going to do something, or not do something, then don't blame others for your choice. But not everyone has this kind of inner conviction in them. They're the ones that get hurt and begin to feel like victims, and then they turn against the org. If you are going to do something, then do it because you are convinced it's the right thing to do, but as you say, don't become antagonistic about it and go ahead of yourself blowing a trumpet. My mother (strong in the truth) is expert at doing exactly what she wants and never being questioned about it. ..she would have been one to call the police on a pedophile no questions asked. Maybe I just inherited it... P.S. She would never go on vacation with a dfd relative though even if they were a saint and even if the Slave said it was OK. But that's because it's her conviction from the Bible, not because anyone says so....
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I tried to figure out what the emotional guy was saying about a $66 million lawsuit and besides apostate websites that make it sound as if it's a done deal I found some serious news reporting. I can't find anything more up to date besides that though http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-court-asked-to-approve-sexual-abuse-class-action-lawsuit-against-jehovah-s-witnesses-1.4293138
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Very true. But we all know what would happen if it was found out you went on vacation with your dfd daughter or son. (Not yours literally of course!) It's one of these frustrating hard to pin down situations. There is a supreme court case going on in Canada right now where the dfd ex- brother is suing. But that's not what I wanted to say, but what is interesting is that the WT appealing the case mentions this in defense: "Disfellowshipping is not “a mandatory church edict” that removes family love. Family members decide according to their conscience the extent to which they will continue family discourse". Page 9, par 31 How can that be reconciled with what really happens? To illustrate: If it was a conscience matter, then if someones conscience said it was ok for them to spend time with their disfellowshipped relative, perhaps even go on vacation with them, then it shouldn't be a problem, and no one should judge that decision, just like if someone decided their conscience allowed them to take minor blood fractions. For that reason, because minor blood fractions really ARE a conscience matter, we donÂ’t have articles giving us advice on how to avoid them, and videos showing us how someone successfully refused them etc. like we do with disfellowshipping. So really, all the articles and videos are “biasing” us to shun, rather than truly leaving it up to our conscience. I am not saying this is right or wrong, I am just pointing out  that stating that it is a conscience matter is not correct, (actually it is dishonest) and could be used against us if proved. Here is the case, but I know you probably won't bother to read it, and I don't blame you, you will just have to trust me that the quote I posted is really there http://www.scc-csc.ca/WebDocuments-DocumentsWeb/37273/FM010_Appellant_Judicial-Committee-of-the-Highwood-Congregation-of-Jehovah's-Witnesses.pdf   Â
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Very true. But what I find the problem is, is when someone no longer wishes to be a Witness after they have been dfd and after they are no longer practicing what they've been dfd for, so of course there is no chance of them being reinstated, which means they will be shunned forever with all it's implications (loved ones will not talk to them ever again)....
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Ask any parent whose child (adult or otherwise) is disfellowshipped.
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Of course it doesn't apply to the one whose association has ended. They can do what they like obviously since they are no longer bound by the rules of the congregation. But rephrase it to say "....ask yourself these questions if you are an active member of Jehovah's Witnesses" and see whether the prospect of shunning has an impact on your answers.
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607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?
Anna replied to JW Insider's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
Wait a minute, isn't 539 BCE plus 70 years 609 BCE,? And then when we consider the actual return of the Jews to start re- building the temple as being 537 BCE and add 70 years it gives us 607 BCE....so .how does that go 20 years past the conquest of Babylon by Cyrus?- 774 replies
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I don't like tacos
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Especially,... and also Tom, Dick and Harry Duds
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That's up to you, but I WAS being funny when I said we won't talk off topic, as evidently we all already did, and that was the Librarian reminding us of it. You know she hates it!
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Nope, you are not going to derail US into an off topic discussion!! Not falling for that!
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Lol! Good answer and great pic. What a cute baby. So who is the father?
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Who was that?
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Of course as you said regarding blood transfusions:
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Exactly!
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I hope you weren't thinking I was suggesting you leave. I would never suggest that to anyone! It was meant in a general way, and as you probably know, I am in agreement with you on many things. That is true, to an extent, and I agree with you that the issue is "that the GB has total, unchallenged control over scriptural interpretation". But there is nothing you and I can do about that right? I mean to make them change that. So the options are either to leave or do our own thing regardless (conscience). The second option sounds good to me . But one has to be mindful of the fact that if the GB were too lax about certain things we could end up just like every other denomination of Christendom, whose clergy tickle their ears, and be of the mind that it doesn't matter where we belong since the "church of Christ resides in each individual anyway" ....It seems like it is the Church's cop out for not keeping the congregations spiritually and morally clean like the 1st Century Church was, and as you know, JWs are trying hard to be like the 1st Century church... https://www.allaboutreligion.org/first-century-church-faq.htm  Â
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Yeah....I know..
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No it's not. I see you didn't read anything yet. So I am copying and pasting the foreword here for you: " These are my recommendations for books that we can add to our personal theocratic libraries. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has provided much Bible study material for us that will help save our lives, make us grow spiritually strong, and assist us in becoming mature Christians. The books listed here are extra reading material that we, as Jehovah's Witnesses, might enjoy. They are positive and upbuilding and pertain to our history, beliefs, and way of life, both from the point of view of our brothers and secular writers. The list also contains books that have been referenced by the Society in some meaningful way. I have all of these books in my own library and have enjoyed them immensely and I can conscientiously recommend each and every one of them. I have indicated whether each book was written by a brother or not at the time that the book was released and other pertinent information about the book. Some of the authors may no longer be Witnesses but at the time their books were written they were in good standing so their books are still included on the list. The books are presented in no particular order. Many have inquired whether these books can be purchased from me. I am not offering any of the books on the list for sale, however most of the titles have links to where you can purchase the books if so desired. As I acquire other books and items they will be listed near the top of the page or under the appropriate heading. If you have any titles that you have read and think could be added to this list please let me know, I'm always on the look out for new books. Happy reading! " And here is the link so you can send him an email if you want http://manitobaphotos.com/theolib/index.htm
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Let Stan know, so he can add it to his library!
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The Name of God - Documentary by Fritz Poppenberg
Anna replied to Anna's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
Yes, I've just noticed that, lol. I actually went and read his preface after I posted the link. I'm so disorganized! -
The Name of God - Documentary by Fritz Poppenberg
Anna replied to Anna's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
You all may have seen this, but it is a useful list of books, either written by JWs or supportive of JW views (but not necessarily in everything). They range from scholarly to children's stories. @TrueTomHarley you should get your book on the list there! http://manitobaphotos.com/theolib/index.htm I don't know how up to date this list is, because as far as I know, at least one of the authors is no longer a Witness (Greg Stafford), but he was at the time of writing his book. -
That's just it you see., I don't think the org. has failed in guiding people on a straight path spiritually... By the way I couldn't find that quote in the WT you cited. I'm sure its there somewhere. I personally don't like the term "obedience" with respect to humans, but rather cooperation.
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See the swagger he was attempting? A man, who is a real man, doesn't have to try.......
