2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Nowhere does it say it is exactly 72 hours.  It would have been more accurate to say 72 hours if God meant exactly 72 hours.  So they could have thrown him onto the sea very late late night of first day  (which fits in with Jewish day which starts at sundown), and shortly after the third night when daylight came - spewed him on dry land.....  did not think this through but just an idea.  

Jesus also spoke of the SIGN of Jonah.  A sign is not literal but an indication of something.  So we do not expect literal 3 days and nights but FOCUS on the SIGN..... just as the budding of the first flowers on trees is a sign that spring is arriving.  

The focus of all of this is the sign and the fact that Jesus died.  The other additional things are the side events.

 

They had No Understanding nor discernment. 

John 12:34

Then the crowd answered him: “We heard from the Law that the Christ remains forever. How can you say that the Son of man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of man?”

23 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

Isn't the purification, a ritual under the law of Moses for atonement?

Yes, it has to do with offerings and sacrifice for a temorary covering under the Mosaic Law. However, Jesus is pure and without sin. His death was the antonement or covering for sinful mankind to become clean. Yet, Jesus was tested to the full for our sake.

Therefore, he fulfilled the Law of Moses "and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." (Colossians 2:14)

The Bible attaches great importance to the death of Jesus.

36 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

The Bible does not say that Jesus was resurrected at dawn. It says that the women came to the tomb just before or just after dawn, while it was still dark, and found that the stone had already been rolled away. So the resurrection could have taken place at any time during that night. So instead of 12 hours by 7am it could have been as few as 1 or 2 hours, or perhaps 10pm that night, or midnight, or 2am or 4am or 5am. All we know for sure is that it happened BEFORE dawn not "AT dawn" as you claim.

 ²  He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up,And we will live before him. ³  We will know, we will earnestly seek to know Jehovah. His going out is as certain as the dawn; He will come to us like a pouring rain,Like a spring rain that saturates the earth.”

So when the Sabbatha was over, Mary Magʹda·lene, Maryb the mother of James, and Sa·loʹme bought spices in order to come and apply them to his body.c ²  And very early on the first day of the week when the sun had risen, they came to the tomb.

²²  Moreover, some women from among us also astonished us, for they went early to the tomb*o ²³  and when they did not find his body, they came saying that they had also seen a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive.

28 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

I appreciate all the answers. The problem I seem to have is between, the acknowledgment of the 3 days and nights with the internment of Christ that was much less time. 

I can see the bible speaks correctly when it states a period of 3 days and nights by which Jesus took up his judgment, execution, and burial. It would appear, the 40 hours of internment would have no discrepancy when it is all placed together to form all those 3 days and nights.

His arrest was about 12 hours.  Midnight to being hung on the tree at Noon. I guess one could count the three hours he spent on the stake in agony.  Which then be 15 hours from his arrest to his death.

So you are correct that there is no discrepancy.  Bible Prophecy Fulfilled!

15 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

I'm trying to understand the discussion about the 40 hours in the theory of time and prophecy.

Can anyone explain why this couldn't be seen as the 40 days Jesus fasted in Matthew 4:2 to correspond to 40 hours of Jesus internment in a 3-day span?

The 40 pattern represents 'a time' of cleansing, refinement, testing, and purification. It can be rendered in hours, days, or years.  Also... when the 40 pattern is applied three times, it is significantly heightened in importance.  Jesus entered this pattern three times during his time upon the earth. (ie...At the end of the required 40-day purification period, they “brought the young child [Greek, paidion]” to the temple in Jerusalem. There Simeon and the prophetess Anna saw Jesus.—Luke 2:1-38; Lev. 12:2-4.

The time Jesus was dead was a 40 hour period that cover 'parts of three days'.  However, one should be mindful that the Jewish Day began on Sundown, this is in regards to Creation at "And there was evening and there was morning, a first day." (Genesis 1:5)

The Sunset during this time period was around 7:12 pm. It varies back forth over time but is very stable. I'm using a round off time of 7 pm for simplicity sake. 

Nisan 14, 33 CE - 1st Day - Thursday at Sundown from 7:00 pm to Friday at Sundown to 7:00 pm   Jesus was put to death at approximately 3:00 pm that Friday afternoon on Nisan 14th. That's 4 hours.

Nisan 15, 33 CE - 2nd Day - Friday at Sundown from 7:00 pm to Saturday at Sundown to 7:00 pm  That's 24 hours.

Nisan 16, 33 CE - 3rd Day - Saturday at Sundown from 7:00 pm to Sunday at Sundown to 7:00 pm  Jesus was resurrected at dawn by 7:00 am. That's 12 hours.

4 + 24 + 12 = 40 hours

3 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

The calendar date for 33CE does fall on 14th of Nisan. That would make the preparation day on Friday for the Sabbath Festival. Does this mean, Jesus last supper was on Friday? 

Actually the preparation day was the day before, making it Thursday Evening since the Jewish Day began at Sunset. Thursday evening Nisan 14th to Friday Evening.  At that same day around midnight is when they came for him. Questioning and beating him. The Sanhedrin had an illegal trial after midnight which was now earlry Friday Morning. But dawn when the day was breaking took him to political leaders. and Pilate in the morning of Friday, 8 to 10 am the Crowd demanding Barnabas to be released. Then had Jesus flogged. Returned Jesus to the crowd, tried to release Jesus again  but the Jewish leaders said we have no King but Caesar. Pilate in the morning of Friday, 10:30 to 11:00 am released Barnabas. 

By 10:30 to 11:00 am that Friday morning which is still Nisan 14 until the coming Sunset. Ordered Jesus to be impaled to death. Was executed on a starous on the sixth hour which is noon. Died on the ninth hour which is 3:00 pm in the afternoon. 

Hurrying before Sunset which was coming in a few more hours, was pierced then handed over to be prepared for burial according to Jewish custom to make sure the Mosaic Law was not violated.  All this happened on Nisian 14 which began Thursday evening with the Sunset and just before the Sunset on Friday Evening when the great Sabbath was to begin at Sunset on Friday evening, A second day.

Therefore, Nisan 15th would be from Friday Evening, as the great Sabbath evening began and ended Saturday evening at Sunset. Then Saturday Evening to Sunday Sunset. The third day. Nisan 16, 33 CE

However, Mary left the house early, when it was still dark that morning. Before dawn that Sunday Morning which is the FIRST DAY of the week. The dawn was breaking and starting to light up the sky as she approached the tomb and Jesus body was not there. 

Jesus was put to death, how? In the flesh.... here's one of several teachings of Jesus Christ. "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world." (John 6:51) So, if for a fact, Jesus gave his flesh in behalf of the life of the world, then proclaiming that he took back the flesh he sacrificed would be wholly inaccurate.

"So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way." (2 Corinthians 5:16)

So how was Jesus Christ resurrected? So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45) Spirit creatures/angels, can manifest in the flesh, even eating and drinking with those who entertain them. "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (Hebrews 13:2)

Since Jesus became a life-giving spirit, he manifested in various fleshly bodies and many times without the wounds. Consider the account of Mary Magdalene, a faithful follower of Jesus Christ who went to the tomb for the purpose of dressing his wounds. Notice the account, "After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.  Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew:“Rab·boʹni!” (which means “Teacher!”) - John 20:14-16

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17 minutes ago, Peter Carroll said:

Remember, too, that Jesus initiated this observance and then died on the Jewish calendar date of Nisan 14.* That was the day of the Passover, a festival reminding the Jews of the great deliverance they had experienced in Egypt in the 16th century B.C.E. At that time, the sacrifice of a lamb resulted in the salvation of the Jewish firstborn, whereas Jehovah’s angel struck down all the firstborn of Egypt.—Exodus 12:21, 24-27.

How does this help our understanding? Well, the Christian apostle Paul wrote: “Christ our passover has been sacrificed.” (1 Corinthians 5:7) Jesus’ death was a greater Passover sacrifice, giving mankind the opportunity for a far grander salvation. For Christians, therefore, the Memorial of Christ’s death has replaced the Jewish Passover.—John 3:16.

The Passover was an annual celebration. Logically, then, so is the Memorial. The Passover—the day Jesus died—always fell on the 14th day of the Jewish month Nisan. Hence, Christ’s death should be memorialized once a year on the calendar day that corresponds to Nisan 14.

soon the day of the apostates continous lies with be exterminated and this infestations will have gone to the dust

 

 

2 minutes ago, Witness said:

However!!  I had remembered that the yearJesus died was a double Sabbath.  I found this enlightening article concerning the three days and three nights. 

https://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

 

Jesus died and was buried just before the great Sabbath began. Furthermore, Friday afternoon is called Preparation because people prepare meals and complete any other tasks that cannot wait until after the Sabbath. At sunset, a double, or “great,” Sabbath will begin. (John 19:31)

Jesus’ Body Is Prepared and Buried

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

 

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

So what exactly is the top one translated from ? I can understand the Hebrew to English, but just to say "English Translation" and not to say what it was translated from, does not make sense. 

 

When you learn Modern English someday, maybe I'll teach you the A,B.C's. Then again, maybe not in view of what JESUS said. Another part of the Sign of the Son of Man...You. 

 ⁴¹  The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, ⁴²  and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace.h There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. ⁴³  At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the suni in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.

The True God has One Name but that Name is transliterated differently according to different languages.

“I am Jehovah. That is my name.” (Isaiah 42:8) English Translation.

"I am Yahweh; that is my name," (Isaiah 42:8) Hebrew Translation to Englsih.

"Εγώ είμαι ο Ιεχωβά. Αυτό είναι το όνομά μου·" (Isaiah 42:8) Greek Translation.

"Я Иегова. Это моё имя. (Isaiah 42:8) Russian Translation.

"אֲנִי יְהֹוָה.‏ זֶהוּ שְׁמִי;‏" (Isaiah 42:8) Hebrew Script.
 

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¹⁷  As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken* by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, ¹⁸  how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, following their own desires for ungodly things.”l ¹⁹  These are the ones who cause divisions,m animalistic men,* not having spirituality.

22 minutes ago, BroRando said:

 ³⁷  For just as the days of Noah were,q so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will be

Study Presence it covers a marked period of time.—Mt 24:3.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

So - sitting on his brain waiting for something other than the truth - should take note? heh?

 ³⁷  For just as the days of Noah were,q so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will be.r ³⁸  For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,s ³⁹  and they took NO NOTE until the Flood came and swept them all away,t so the PRESENCE of the Son of man will be.

18 minutes ago, Arauna said:

So this could mean that it would have to be a multi-national body to which all these peoples would stream - am I correct? 

Bullseye! 😀 

Depending of the context of the scripture, one would need 'spritual discernment' in order to discern what the scripture is talking about. 

Nations can refer to countries, peoples, or even nationalities.  The pride of nationality for instance.

The nations of many peoples is the correct context listed below.

And to it all the nations will stream.c ³  And many peoples will go and say:“ Come,

Understanding the Sign of the Son of Man...

Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah. Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One.

This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.

43 minutes ago, Arauna said:

revelation 17:  “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. ¹³  These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast."

When does the "one hour" start?  When the "image of the beast receives authority with the ten kings who have not ruled before. This wild beast is the scarlet colored wild beast which is the "image of the beast (the UN). Revelation 17 talks about the scarlet beast which destroys religion - UN. 

"  And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. ¹⁷  For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought,

 The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth—those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world—will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present.

 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction."

(This is why I watch the goings-on of the UN because other kingdoms will willingly hand over authority to it so that it rules for one hour ....) It seems the new kings will either be the corporations or the oligarchs behind the corporations because they signed a deal with the UN 2 and half years ago - giving it lots of money and teeth.  There are so many silent deals going on behind the scenes, this is just another one:

https://rumble.com/vos68h-the-contracts-signed-between-pfizer-and-the-european-parliament-unbelievabl.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Pandemic+Dilemmas&ep=2

 

revelation 3: And it was permitted to give breath* to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.

We are almost there - as UN failed to get full rulership last month.... But secret deals are going on behind the scenes which will be voted upon soon.  When this happens full power will kick in after 8 months...! 

This is a good sign to watch where we are in the stream of time!

Absolutely! Satan always tries to mimic the Bibles' time line. Interesting you Noted Revelation 17. The last hour has already began.  At its heart are the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which are an urgent call for action by all countries - developed and developing - in a global partnership. 

The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, adopted by all United Nations Member States in 2015, provides a shared blueprint for peace and prosperity for people and the planet, now and into the future. 

The demonic propaganda is now spewing into the World like WormWood.   https://sdgs.un.org/goals

¹³  And I saw three unclean inspired expressions* that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragony and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. ¹⁴  They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs,z and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the wara of the great day of God the Almighty.b

58 minutes ago, Arauna said:

When there has been controversy on this forum about 1914, I always said that I am open to this generation being 120 years - the probability is high.   BUT...... we must watch for ALL the signs......

Last month the WHO of UN was thwarted in taking over the rule of the world regarding health, environment and food security.  They will try again next month and in august.  

What does bible prophecy indicate - that "Image of the  beast will only rule for ONE hour..."....  which is a short period.  It could be a few years - to another ten years which is doubtful regarding their intentions with the 4th industrial revolution and UN Agenda 2030... ......... Regarding the pace of developments in the secular world - we will soon be faced with a totalitarian government which will demand worship of the image of beast and absolute obedience to its directives .... or face the consequences.

Their hearts are already set at the destruction of religion - so Jehovah will let it go into fruition when the time is right. After this we will watch the dismantling of society as we knew it.  This can also happen relatively quickly - especially under extreme conditions of hunger, suffering and totalitarianism.  

Jehovah will have to step in to save some flesh....   : “There will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now . . . In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved.” (Matthew 24:21, 22) But God promises us that many humans will survive: “The world is passing away . . . , but the one who does the will of God remains forever.”—1 John 2:17.

What I am doing now is some cautioning - not to settle on a definite date.  Jehovah says he is going to cut those days (like Noah) short in order to save some.   So in my estimation, the conditions in the world will be worse than before the flood.... and Jehovah will have to step in to save the great crowd... while quite a large number of them are still alive. 

Yes... One more 'timed event' or prophecy would be fulfilled prior to the destruction of the wicked. Satan and his earthly kingdoms are entering their final hour since 2015 spewing demonic propaganda that they brought peace and prosperity to the earth by transforming our world by 2030, and the majority of the earth's population will be more than willing to capitulate. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

Jesus in private told his disciples, "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37-39)

Notice Jesus compared the days of Noah to his Presence, they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away. Therefore, we can conclude that both Prophecies are 'timed events'. Time and again Jesus kept reminding his disciples just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. How long were the days of Noah? Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3)

• When Noah stopped preaching to work on the Ark, did the wicked take note? "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37)
• When Noah began loading up foodstuffs for his family and the animals, did the wicked take note? "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37)
• When Noah loaded the animals into the ark, did the wicked take note? "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37)
• When Noah entered into the ark and Jehovah sealed the door, a full week before it began to flood, did the wicked take note? When the manifestation increases in frequency and intensity as in distress pangs climax, it will phase into the Revelation Phase of the Son of man. "and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:39)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070624#h=70:~:text=“The days of Noah” actually,who do not seek deliverance.

4 minutes ago, Arauna said:

After the flood they did not immediately come down in age. Noah still lived (if I remember correctly) 350 years after the flood. Gradually the life spans became less.  Well, a long time ago my brother did a paper (not published - he does this for fun), which indicated the build-up of bad UV light after the flood.  When it reached a certain peak it would start to influence peoples span of life.

So life went down and settled at 70 to 80 years in the time of David.

Yes... Noah was 600 at the time of the Flood and lived another 350 afterward...  the 120 was the allotted time limited for the old world to take heed. But nobody lived pass the day of a thousand years that Jehovah set.  

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001150?q=allotted+time+of+the+deluge&p=doc#:~:text=Timing of the Deluge. The Deluge did not come suddenly without warning. Years of time were spent building the ark%2C time that Noah the “preacher of righteousness” also used in warning that wicked generation. (2Pe 2%3A5) Finally the time limit was up

1 hour ago, Peter Carroll said:

is not the reason the lifespan was reduced was that god did not want man to continue as a sinner for long periods of time

Yes... and that leads us back to subject of this discussion about timing.  "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.  Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.  But Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:8-10)

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Rev 21:4)

Learning these things now can help you prepare for the coming events. It will take faith, but there is hope! Start preparing your heart and mind and apply the counsel from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ: "No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches. “On this account I say to you: Stop being anxious about your lives as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not life mean more than food and the body than clothing? Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?" (Matthew 6:24-26)

"Who of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span?" (Matthew 6:27)

"So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to wear?’  For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. Your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you." (Matthew 6:31-33)

6 hours ago, Arauna said:

Thank you for your perspective...... I enjoyed reading it.

This however does not in my mind justify jumping to a 2034 conclusion for Armageddon and the beginning of the new millenium. 

However, the idea is not far fetched.... as I said before ..... because the generation in Noah's time before the flood  was 120 years. 

2034 is not an end all date.  Human life span was everlasting, then death was introduced of a day of thousand years, so the human life span was less than 1,000 years.  Jehovah decided to speed things up and changed the life span to 70 or 80 years a little longer due to mightiness. 

The 120 is representative of 3 x 40 periods. Which cannot be grasped by those who are not true. Therefore, the 120 is an illustration. 

Mark 4:11

He said to them: “To you the sacred secret of the Kingdom of God has been given, but to those outside all things are in illustrations,

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Agreed. We must be careful that we do not fall into the trap of Numerology. 

Correct, but 40 is significant. How long was Jesus teaching his disciples on earth before asending to heaven after his resurrection? 

"After he had suffered, he showed himself alive to them by many convincing proofs. He was seen by them throughout 40 days, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God." (Acts 1:3)

• How long was Jesus in the wilderness being tempted by Satan? 
• How long did it rain on the earth in order to cleanse it?
• Jesus, Moses, and Elijah all fasted for how many days?