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28 Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy to bear, and the burden I give you is light.”

If i would look on this from position of Mosaic Law, which was lasting, be in power much longer than WT and their "doctrines law", i would say; No, JW is not "only true religion" on Earth. From, as they said, 1513 BCE to 33 CE God's Law was "perfect and everlasting and unchangeable" - of course if we neglect, ignore the fact that Rulers and Priests in all that period of Israel also have some Interpretations on Law and clarifications on how should be, have to be implied this or that from the Law. hahahaha Today GB also have the same methods, using  INTERPRETATIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS , and that is periodical practice when some theory, doctrine, teaching, instruction or perform falls in problem. Then phrases as "new light", "clarification", "brightness" come on surface and cover all false and wrongs from GB.  Â

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ORDINARY =routine, regular, average, plain, common, usual, daily :))))))

i agree, but here i made observation on/about specific position that FDS have or position that they think they have :))))) so apostates are in no way different than any other ordinary sinner, hahaha yeah, that is field for manipulation from the all involved, from both sides of table.

Gnosis Pithos 9 hours ago  Dear Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (??????, gnôsis, f.).[1] The term is used in various Hellenistic religions and philosophies.[2][3] It is best known from Gnosticism, where it signifies a knowledge or insight into man's real nature as Divine, leading to the deliverance of the Divine spark within man from the constraints of earthly existence. What confusing you in this simple, clear and truthful Anna's quote??? !!!Â

WT GB have this official ideas, and as i have read from comments above from few of you, you as JW members have different visions about the same issue. Some of you are cautious and careful, some of you are judgmental and some of you thinking how this is slipy area and depends on personal view and own retrospective of his actions. How with idea that only persons who are appointed by holy spirit aka FDS or GB can made such sin, because they received, as some interpretations of Bible verses said, they received holy spirit and by that are in position that is seriously different then of other "ordinary, earthly class christians"?? From official JWorg standpoint expressed in down quotations, i see that ALL possible human sins can be SIN AGAINST HOLY SPIRIT. So, you have not much space to escape punishment. You need to be in state of repentance all the time. But according to instructions from elders "Shepherd book" if elders determine that you are not repented enough, according to their visions, you have very good chance to stay in sin that is in fact sin against holy spirit. "What sins are not forgiven? To answer this question, let us consider some Biblical examples. This should prove comforting to us if we are repentant but are still sorely distressed over our serious errors. We will see that it is not so much a matter of what kind of sin a person has committed; rather, it is the motive, the heart condition, and the degree of willfulness involved that determines whether a sin is forgivable or not." 7 What if we have sinned but are unable to pray because our sin has made us spiritually sick? In this regard, the disciple James wrote: “Let [such a person] call the older men of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him, greasing him with oil in the name of Jehovah. And the prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.”—James 5:14, 15. 19 What might contribute to the feeling that we have sinned against the holy spirit? Overconscientiousness or a weak physical condition may be factors. In such a case, prayer and added rest may be helpful. ....I HAVE been obsessed with the thought that I have sinned against the holy spirit.” So wrote a woman in Germany, although she was serving God. 20 Any who fear that they have sinned against the holy spirit might ask themselves: ‘Have I blasphemed against the holy spirit? Did I genuinely repent of my sin? Do I have faith in God’s forgiveness? Am I an apostate who has rejected spiritual light?’ Very likely, such individuals will realize that they have not blasphemed against God’s holy spirit, nor have they become apostates. They are repentant, and they have abiding faith in Jehovah’s forgiveness. If so, they have not sinned against Jehovah’s holy spirit. What sins are not forgiven? - 1)First-century Jewish religious leaders who maliciously opposed Jesus Christ were sinning against the holy spirit. 2)Consider also the case of Judas Iscariot. What sins are forgiven? - 1) David and Bath-sheba. God forgave 2)The extent of Jehovah’s forgiveness is also illustrated in the case of King Manasseh of Judah. 3)the apostle Peter sinned grievously by denying Jesus. quotes from JWorg library

of course - is that lying , killing, or not believing in God, not put faith in Jesus or else ....?

how look like that type?

"God deals with you as with sons..." not as with  bread for garbage, trash can.  Â

again - one person failed (your sinful dfd brother) and others JW members run from them as he is "mentally diseased" apostate. But ok if you scare of apostates, do not talk with him. What about other sorts of sin? They are also dangerous? So where is "companion" who will lift up him? Only elders, once a year????? Is elder his "companion"?? or it is someone else?? "But woe.."

WT said this words applied to policeman, inspectors, soldiers, officers .... of secular government ---not elders and judicial committee

:))) hehe, not only freedom of speech. That makes ground for my own "old light" and "new light". (A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188.) Or as WT magazines proves "Lights get brighter" ---- not only for WT but for me also :))))))))))

I will put this verse to some topic. Loyalty and Truth. Two moral powers that can exist on same level. Are you loyally love your failed "friend" at all times". In bad times, not only in good times? Can your brotherhood with him, and his with your, be born in "adversity"? If you start to shun, ignore, reject him because he is "sinner", how you will fulfilled Proverbs? Or Jesus words - LOVE YOUR ENEMY? “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,..." Is your failed friend your enemy?? Is your dfd brother from cong. your enemy?? If it is LOVE HIM. If he is not LOVE HIM.

Thanks, this is sure one of best answer, if not the only one, the best comment that someone made, not only to this topic, but also for few similar topics. And for wisdom person who read it give, bring to be more wise. Who hear let's hear, who read let's read -and take a lesson. :))

No, i am not. But i heard that some elders in particular congregation came to knowledge about one bro who have homosexual inclinations. And they solve that issue by giving him this kind of solution. Be gay, but not have sex with other male. Thanks for funny side :)) But i can be sure about your cognitive abilities that you see the point with this verses. All human are sinners, by accident or by half intention or by full intention to doing bad. And according to sinful state of mind and heart, no matter is that sinning last 2-5 seconds, 15 minutes or on daily basis, once a year, or in some other frequency. if Jesus mean literally what he said, then all would have to face judicial committee :)))))

yes you said right, i forget that GB abandoned type and antitype model of interpretation :))))))

While reading again your comment i found some parallel in OT rules and NT rules. About sinners. If OT congregation found you guilty and found reason to sentenced you in finally way, all congregants would stone the sinner to the dead. But in 1 century NT congregations introduced new rules on sinners. They are not using stones any more. They using new the type of weapon. After some judicial process, similar or not to the original way of investigation and judging given by Law, congregant was using in first place - words (to judge person) and after that silence, ignoring, dfd (to stone person).  Of course this observation is in err if WT interpretation on NT reports are mistakenly representing how to be applied this or that bible verse. Like their explanation on excommunication was  in 1947 Awake, totally opposite to later standpoint which came to power and is until now.    Â

how spicy would be if I would talked about mine ....:)))))))))))

Comparison of religious system is not so bad to do. You respond on my question, asking "Who is closer to Bible truth? JW or Amish?" with one more example of Scientology. Thanks. But, if i agree with you in statement about "only two possibilities" would i hear your opinion on the issue Who is closer to Bible instruction about treatment, handling with "sinners" inside congregation?? JW, Amish or Scientology? I will ask you the same 3 times. 3 is symbolic number :))))) This is second time asking. hehe

We are just humans, and we all have our good and bad. And must be able, have courage to say it. This afternoon i was recal one simple and "not important" behaviour in some other every day circumstances. Let me tell you. The brother from the former assembly often parks his car on the parking lot, near the school where I work. This is a parking lot for my colleague school staff and two other institutions in the same building. He has no right to park there, but he still does. But what is ironic is this. After I left JWorg, he did not want to greet me on the street when we met each other once, twice. But when his car was "trapped" in the parking lot because the ramp was down, he sent me an SMS message and asked me to help him get out. :)) Hypocrisy or not?

Perhaps GB as part of Kingdom administration (Kings , Priests....) have clear and sound position on this question. :)))

As it is written in Bible, we have this: 1)God made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law 2)Religious people made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law 3)Secular authorities made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law principles that are incorporated in Secular Law

This is unclear. I think it is clear. Bible wrote that God has said, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways,"

just counting natural things of human life, nothing more or less.