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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    In the Fifth Grade, I was 12 years old .... and Mrs. Thoms used to read stories to our class, which I remembered as "Arthur, the Vacillating Rat" (first he goes this way ... then he goes that .. poor Arthur could never make up his mind.")
    The English are somewhat like that ... If the Nazis had marched in backwards to merry old England, they might have thought they were leaving.
    If someone MERELY steals, or destroys your home and resources ... you may DIE of starvation, hardship, exposure and disease.
    They are MERELY killing you more slowly.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    I'm just glad I live in England. I hope this is far enough away from James and his house full of weapons. Hope he doesn't get his hands on missiles. 
    But seriously though, a country that starts a war for greed and power and is willing to kill other people. If the idea is to take land, goods, riches, people, livestock et al. Then it is premeditated killing that should not be happening. I do not think God approves of any of that. I would think that God would class it as murder. Whether as a whole, or as each individual killing. And I would think the ones doing the attacking and killing would be judged differently to those doing the defending. 
    I have mixed feelings about killing for defence. But if someone was attacking my wife then I would think natural defence mechanism would come into play. 
    However, the time will come, as i think @Arauna mentioned, when true servants of God will be attacked and killed. I have my doubts that God is gong to defend everyone of His servants. So, will God's true servants just allow themselves to be killed ? Allowing the stealing of our possessions is easy enough, but allowing someone to kill you / me, i don't know............ 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    If he makes it into the new system, that means your friend is resisting the direct will, and trust of Jehovah God, whose Son's decision it was for that person to be there.
    Besides .... the conclusion reached is based on general cluelessness.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in GRAND JURY INVESTIGATORS ARE 'DEAD SERIOUS'   
    It’s so hard for me to just give short sentences as answers.  The entire Bible prophesy is coming to a head. I realize now how little I knew of the anointed role while in the WT.  They are spoon fed lies about themselves, and only enough to not question what they should be doing.   
    We see what happens in organizations, how they are influenced by the world of Satan, and men with their additional rules and regulations.   If we were meant to have an earthly visible organization, then Jesus would have begun establishing it when he was on earth.  ( Ps 127:1a) As the WT has done, each material building is taught as “God’s house”, which I believe is idolatry.   When I read the account Stephen gave before he was stoned to death (Acts 7:44-53), it’s clear to me that Stephen was trying to get across the acceptance of Christ as the new Temple built with living stones, and God’s dwelling/house.  (John 2:19-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)   In his speech, he mentioned the tabernacle in the wilderness where God’s Spirit dwelled, and the temple Solomon built. He then quoted Isa 66:1,2 saying to the Jews how “stiff-necked” they were, for rejecting the chief cornerstone of the new temple/foundation in Christ and the apostles.  This was the temple, house of God, that He meant would be built, when speaking to David so many years before.  (2 Sam 7:1-16)
      When Jesus said we will worship in the spirit and the truth, I believe he didn’t mean through any earthly organization/temple/solid entity. (John 4:21) True believers of Christ realized this.  True anointed “living stones” who carried truth in their heart by the Spirit, that Christ sent over the last 2,000 years, would have taught the same.  (John 13:20; 14:15-17)  The WT organization was formed when there was a remarkable surge of what some consider to be a spiritual enlightenment – a “second great awakening”.  Mormonism, Baptists, Methodism, Seventh Day Adventist, Bible Students/Watchtower, all had their beginning around the same time.  Do any of the them have complete truth?  And why was it at generally the same time period, that there was there such an influx of religions beliefs?  Who was behind the establishment of so many paths diverging from the “sincerity and the purity of devotion to Christ”? (Lexham 2 Cor 11:3)  I believe it is Satan’s doing. (2 Pet 2:1-3)
    The only “organization” that God approves is the “administration” within the anointed Body. (1 Cor chapt 12; Eph 1:3-11)  You seem to be keenly aware of this Body and the circumstances they face in the organization.  In the last days, the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”/anointed are deceived by Satan’s ruse . (Rev 12:17; 2 Thess 2:1-4,8-12;Rev 13:4; Amos 3:5)  “Deceived” is a primary word that the organization fails to tell the anointed ones, or that they even notice. As most JWs believe, how can anyone be deceived if they are safe in the WT? (1 Thess 5:1-5)  However, we see the lies in the organization where the remaining anointed reside. Lies are deception that lead one down the wrong road. Who can deny that?  Only faithful JWs do. (2 Cor 4:1-6)    We also see that there is basic truth that led them in. It would be teachings of truth, that an anointed would recognize through the Holy Spirit poured into their heart. (Rom 5:5; 1 John 2:27)   Once in, it is very difficult to get out without losing everything.  All of this was prophesied to occur in the last days.  (Matt 24:24; Col 2:8; Rev 2:20; 13:10) It is a spiritual captivity that “tramples” down the anointed. (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; Rev 11:1-3)   When rejecting lies, turning to Christ, we are persecuted by our own spiritual “brothers and sisters” and family for doing so.  (Luke 12:53; Matt 5:10,11)
    Daniel called the fourth beast that God’s people under covenant must face, as “different”. (Dan 7:19) I said that one of the Beasts of Rev 13 is a false prophet, the GB, (Rev 13:11), and the “Wild Beast” is the organization. (Rev 13:1) (Watchtower calls it "Satan's organization")  I also used Rev 12:17 above, which states that the “dragon” “makes war” with the remaining ones.  Notice what all of them accomplish together:
     13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    The “kings of the earth” are Jesus’ kings/priests.  Rev 1:5; 5:9,10   They are gathered in the WT….for the great day of God Almighty = Armageddon! (Luke 22:31; Rev 2:10)  Armageddon is based on DECEIT that comes out of the mouths of the “dragon” and the two Beasts - the GB, and the organization it directs. (Luke 21:8; Rev 13:12) The battle is being fought now, the exposure of truth against the teachings of lies; and it involves the anointed “kings of the earth”, and those with them.  
    That is the summation of Armageddon, fought in the “valley of decision” (Joel 3:14); kings of the earth who transgressed their covenant in Christ, battle against faithful kings of the earth who return to Christ in repentance for their idolatry and believing lies. (Eph 5:11-14) The battle ensues by what comes out of each anointed one’s mouth – truth or lies.    All whose lives have been touched by the WT, make the decision -  the choice to go with, which results in each one’s judgment before Christ.  (Matt 7:21-23)  More than ever before, we see an exodus from the organization for various reasons, selfish ones, or the pursuit of truth.  Jesus does not disappoint those who are sincere about finding truth.  (Matt 22:1-14)  
    The WT utilizes “signs and wonders” that are hard for the average JW to perceive as deception.  (2 Thess 2:9)  Yet, it is the deception – the ruse - against the anointed in the last days. (Rev 13:13,14, 5,7)   The Watchtower has twisted the timing of events to mislead the anointed and those with them.  The symbolic “thousand year” reign of Christ has ended. 
    Rev 20:7-10 speaks again of the “gathering” of the saints for the “battle”, the same battle we see in Rev 16:13,14.  Gog/Magog ARE the Beasts. 
    So, Satan has been let loose from the abyss to deceive the last of the anointed before the Kingdom arrives.  This deception or power is “different” – the gradual development of an organization that causes destruction.  It becomes more apparent with each passing day.  Even the world can see its destructive force; but its reason behind its purpose is only understood by those who discern the “trampling” down of the anointed – the “Gentile” elder body as the “disgusting thing standing in the temple of God.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3)
    Judgment day began when Jesus came to earth. (Luke 12:51; John 3:18) Each person is judged during their lifetime, according to their choices, not during a thousand years after Armageddon.    Armageddon is the culmination of judgment against the remaining ones and those with them.  God judges the world, Jesus Christ and his foundation “stones” judge the anointed and those in the organization – his kings of the earth, and the nations with them.  (1 Cor 5:13; 1 Pet 4:17; Eph 2:19,20) Jesus’ words about the Great Tribulation experienced because of the two beasts, correlates with Daniel’s use of “different” – “For at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will happen.  And unless those days had been shortened, no human being would be saved.  But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.”  (Matt 24:21,22)  You are feeling this “different” tribulation or sifting, and you are caught in the middle of this battle of truth against lies.  The Great Tribulation is a result of Armageddon. 
    So, Satan doesn’t want to lose his kingdom.  His “different” plan during these last days is to deceive the anointed into idolatry to an organization, and the dual, powerful “trampling” rule of men over them.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-6; 8:10,11; 9)
     
    I believe Satan is the Destroyer.  What he does now or who he destroys before “death” is destroyed waits to be seen.  Yes, the earth will be cleansed of evil.  When he is gone, so is wickedness. (Isa 33:1; 1 Cor 15:24-26; Rev 21:1-4)
     
    I believe in a family of the children of God - the seed of Abraham.   There are the “firstfruits” “born” to spirit life now, with a job to do. (Rom 8:16,17; James 1:18) For the faithful refined anointed ones, they will be Christ’s Bride, fulfilling the “New Covenant” as a new creation – both spirit and human. (Matt 25:1-13; 2 Cor 5:17; Gal 4:26)  Children will be “born” from this union, this fulfilled promise of life. (John 13:20; Rev 22:17;  Those children make up the rest of the children of God, “born” in spirit. (John 6:63)  At that time, the “144,000” priesthood will serve God, Jesus and the future children on the earth. (Rom 8:14; Rev 22:2)  The early priesthood assigned by God was to teach the people of Israel God’s laws.  (Mal 2:7) The heavenly priesthood will do the same, and whatever else they are assigned to do as they serve Christ on the earth, and in heaven. Who knows what God will ask of His future children in the Kingdom.  But for now, he is refining his priests to serve in the spiritual Temple built with the faithful “144,000” (1 Pet 2:5,9)    It will be accomplished by the time the organization goes down. (Zech 4:7; Rev 18:21; 8:8; Dan 2:34; 7:26,27)
    Jesus was the first of Abraham’s promised seed to inherit the earth:
     Now Jacob went out from Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11 So he came to a certain place and stayed there all night, because the sun had set. And he took one of the stones of that place and put it at his head, and he lay down in that place to sleep. 12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
    13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants.
    4 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you.”
    16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.” 17 And he was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven!”  Gen 28:10-17
    John 1:51 - He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man.”
    Angels are messengers, (see the Greek meaning for “angel”), priests are messengers. Mal 2:7  Jesus shares his inheritance of the earth with the “144,000”/anointed/angel messengers.  They won’t be stuck in heaven as the WT portrays it,  but will be both on earth and in heaven.  As “children of a promise” they will inherit the earth.  Rom 9:8; Gal 4:28
    The  vision in Genesis was to Jacob – generally, to Israel.  During the last days, an “Elijah” comes to restore “Jacob” OUTSIDE of the organization.  It is happening now. (Nah 2:2; Isa 49:6; Mal 3:1-4; 4:5; Mark 9:12; Rev 11:3)
    We are at another point where a “voice” is calling, “Prepare the way of the Lord in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert.”  Isa 40:3
    Isa 44:24-28; Isa 2:1-5
    I work with other anointed and those not anointed, spreading truth to "Israel", those "nations" residing with them, as well as those "leaving the (apostate) city".  Matt 22:8-10
    "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."  Matt 10:23
    Rev 18:4-8
    Thus says the Lord,
    The Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:
    “Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons;
    And concerning the work of My hands, you command Me.
     I have made the earth,
    And created man on it.
    I—My hands—stretched out the heavens,
    And all their host I have commanded.
    I have raised him up in righteousness,
    And I will direct all his ways;("make all his ways straight")
    He shall build My city
    And let My exiles go free,
    Not for price nor reward,”
    Says the Lord of hosts.  Isa 45:11-13
    "Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.  Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God."  Rev 21:1-3
    That is, the only true "organization" that God approves. 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The World Ignored Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Warning on Coronavirus 15 Years Ago!   
    "According to many experts"?
    What does THAT mean?
    WHO in particular?
    What are they experts OF?
     
    What exactly makes these anonymous people experts?
    The "People of the World" were what? .... about 7 Billion back in 2005?
    How many copies of the Awake! actually got into the hands of 7 billion people, who ACTUALLY READ THEM, and even then ... WHAT COULD THEY HAVE DONE ABOUT IT??
    .... my guess is nothing whatsoever.
    It's like me ... if I heard that Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, carrying 100 megaton yield Hydrogen Bombs MIGHT hit my home town someday in the future, as we have been 70 years and more since the World was engaged in an atomic (albeit one sided) war.
    What could I do about it?
    NOTHING !!!!
    Disregarding the publications TOTAL lack of credibility in foreseeing the future, even a blind pig, once in a great while, will find SOMETHING to eat..
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The World Ignored Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Warning on Coronavirus 15 Years Ago!   
    OK ....so the World ignored those experts ..... too.
    That's three blind pigs.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The World Ignored Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Warning on Coronavirus 15 Years Ago!   
    So, JJJ.... um ... what was predicted in 2014 that did not happen, and what is SUPPOSED to happen that "we" predicted to happen in 2033?
    I musta been asleep about those two.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Isabella in The World Ignored Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Warning on Coronavirus 15 Years Ago!   
    By Jethro Ibileke
    The deadly Coronavirus, like the Spanish Influenza, is currently spreading like a wild fire around the world and is taking tolls on lives of people on its path. This deadly disease might sound strange and new to many, including even health care providers and experts, but, actually, Jehovah’s Witnesses, a religious group, had sounded a warning of its emergence 15 years ago, in one of its magazines, Awake!
    Writing on the subject “The Next Global Epidemic, WHEN?” the December 22, 2005, edition of Awake! did not only raise the alarm that a pandemic virus might emerge in China or a nearby country, it also warned that it might emanate from an animal and could surface from antigens or virulence factors derived from animal influenza viruses.
    Photos of the front and inner pages of the Awake! magazine has since gone viral.
    Full article: https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2020/02/17/15-years-ago-how-world-ignored-jehovahs-witnesses-warning-on-coronavirus/


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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in The World Ignored Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Warning on Coronavirus 15 Years Ago!   
    OMG r u for real?
    So they guessed some virus from an animal was gonna happened in China!
    Why didnt they predicted the AIDS, Ebola, black plague, SARs swine flu.
    And we should ignore all the false predictions of 1874,1914,1919,1925,1975,2014....2033! 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Did you mean to say "WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God NOT consider warfare .... murder?".
    If so, I think it is more like ... Jehovah has placed the Nations in their relative positions, to execute judgement against wrongdoers , and protect us from Anarchy, which would be worse than even the Nazis (as the classic bad example) at their worst ... and allowed each political entity to run their affairs as they see fit ( temporarily), and it would be hypocritical to view their permitted activities, be it internal affairs, or how they treat their their external enemies, however perceived, and for whatever reason, as reprehensible to the extent of being classified as murder.
    The people of the Nations are particularly nasty, and complex, and do not respond well as a general rule to reasonableness.
    He has allowed it .... and specifically, so it may be as a protection for us .... AND THEM.
    This is the essence, although somewhat simplistic.
    I can not find any evidence that this reasonable approach is NOT Jehovah's God viewpoint.
    ..... AND MORE TO THE SPECIFIC POINT ...
    I cannot find any evidence that Jehovah God considers warfare between secular nations ....  the same way that he considers murder.
    None, whatsoever.
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    It seems how JW people don't using proper Understanding when false Knowledge is presented.  
    Knowledge: End is near
    Understanding: We must build new modern center for making digital spiritual food.
    In this, both is questionable. The knowledge and the understanding. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Warfare definition is - military operations between enemies.
    WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?
    Because He have enemies?
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    It seems how JW people don't using proper Understanding when false Knowledge is presented.  
    Knowledge: End is near
    Understanding: We must build new modern center for making digital spiritual food.
    In this, both is questionable. The knowledge and the understanding. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Well, it doesn’t entirely fit, but the speaker yesterday drew the following contrast between knowledge and understanding:
    Knowledge: a tomato is a fruit
    Understanding: Don’t put it in a fruit salad.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Arauna, and TTH :
    It is a very simple, carefully crafted question to isolate one specific principle, from the full spectrum of high volume noise that surrounds this issue.
    Most people think the Ten Commandments say "Thou shalt not kill." .... and it doesn't.
    I says "Thou shalt not MURDER"
    There is a very real difference between one, and the other ... just as there is a very real difference between your personal culpability if you accidentally hit a child on a bicycle while driving, and kill them .... and if you drive up onto the sidewalk, and deliberately kill the same child.
    There are cases when killing IS ACCEPTABLE, should you choose to exercise your natural right of self defense, that all living things have as a natural right, and if you choose to do so, and are able to manage overcoming your adversary with deadly force ... there is absolutely no blood guilt incurred.  That is just one of perhaps several examples.
    Understanding WHY one is allowable by God, and not the other ... is the KEY to understanding everything about the issue of blood guilt, or NO blood guilt, in every example that would come up in life.
    It may remind you of a satanically inspired question where there is only a binary choice, like "Do you STILL beat your wife", but it is not.
    My ex-mother-in-law may remind me of a Shrew, but she is not.
    It is a question that when correctly answered, will give a complete understanding of our obligations toward God, what ever that might be, in a world where life and death is a daily concern.
    There is a difference between KNOWING something ( which may be flat wrong) and UNDERSTANDING something, and it all depends on being able to correctly discern the actual, really true answer the question about any subject you could put forward, and that is ....
    WHY?
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    I noticed about some Bible verses and reports about some events where taking other people life is issue this:
    In some events, according to Bible,  God making fire from heaven, earthquake, flood, angels warriors or similar and killed few or many people.
    In some other events, perhaps there is more such reports, God told, command particular people to kill other people, under various and different circumstances.
    From this we can conclude, how people who belong or think they belong to only true religion or organization can't know for sure: will their God told them to stay still and watch, or will He command them to take action. God showed two side of his will.
    In old Israel they had professional soldiers, but before they came to have professional army, many were simple ordinary workers. And they learned skills. JW people today not learning such skills, but for sure learning how to use "theocratic warfare" methods .... and that can be lethal too. (Not reporting CSA to secular government and shunning policy can have for sure very bad results). 
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    Dear Tom,
    try to look on this clergy-ordinary member issue from standpoint of WT publication, WT lawyer, JW congregation members and Bible. 
    WT publication quoting how JW don't have PAID CLERGY. Obviously in the eyes of writer there is some difference between PAID and NOT PAID CLERGY. But, such explanation giving space for possibility that JW Church HAVE CLERGY at the end of the day.
    WT Lawyer contribute and confirm that JW Church in fact HAVE CLERGY, and they defending this with asking for all rights and privileges for JW Elders as Catholic Church Clergy have. 
    JW congregation members are in the middle and have delusion how their church do not have CLERGY because they believe that elders are not clergy.
    Bible giving perspective how jobs or working place in congregation not making elders to be clergy but only people with more responsibilities. Bible say how ALL of YOU are BROTHERS.
    In this picturing with explanation, in one Court case, what @James Thomas Rook Jr. highlighted in one post, WT Lawyers told how all JW people are "ordained ministers". That means how all members in JW Church belong to hierarchy as any Clergy does. In that aspect, even minor member belong to particular level of clergy hierarchy. 
    With Bible explanation how ALL of YOU are BROTHERS we can say how every case of CSA in JW Church is more serious than those cases in Catholic church. Because in JW congregation, in theory, elders are just members of congregation and non elders people are also just members of the congregation. That makes CSA to be plague in all Body of JW congregation, and not just separate, lonely exemption of few people who made sin/crime as Catholic Priest in Roman Church. Catholic Laity are just laity, people who have weak spiritual education. In JW congregation rank and file members have best "spiritual education", according to WT publication claims, so they carry more responsibility and are more "guilty" than Catholic laity. :)) But, as we see more Catholic pedophile clergy/laity members ended in Court than JW pedophile members. And you know why.   
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    I noticed about some Bible verses and reports about some events where taking other people life is issue this:
    In some events, according to Bible,  God making fire from heaven, earthquake, flood, angels warriors or similar and killed few or many people.
    In some other events, perhaps there is more such reports, God told, command particular people to kill other people, under various and different circumstances.
    From this we can conclude, how people who belong or think they belong to only true religion or organization can't know for sure: will their God told them to stay still and watch, or will He command them to take action. God showed two side of his will.
    In old Israel they had professional soldiers, but before they came to have professional army, many were simple ordinary workers. And they learned skills. JW people today not learning such skills, but for sure learning how to use "theocratic warfare" methods .... and that can be lethal too. (Not reporting CSA to secular government and shunning policy can have for sure very bad results). 
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    You idiot, the three examples you’ve given are all clergy—those in leadership capacity. Exactly my point. With JWs it is almost never those who would correspond to clergy—it is the ordinary member. The printing presses will run dry if they ever attempt to report on members of the other denominations—but they never will because hardly anyone other than JWs tried to do anything about the CSA problem. 
    And there is Srecko giving you a ‘thanks’ for the ridiculous comparison you made. Silly as you may be, he does not here give evidence that he is any smarter.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    To quote tom harley once more "Constantly we read of individuals arrested over CSA allegations. The one detail that never accompanies such reports is that of the individual’s religious affiliation or lack thereof. Yet with Jehovah’s Witnesses, that detail is never lacking. Why? " 
    Just to prove what rubbish tom writes here are three examples i've found to disprove his lies. 
    https://abc7news.com/tag/priest-sex-abuse/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/church-england-child-sex-abuse-charles-gordon-dickenson-cheshire-vicar-paedophile-a8812131.html
    https://fox13now.com/2017/06/23/lds-bishop-arrested-for-sexual-abuse/
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Arauna in In Chita, Vadim Kutsenko Reports That During Interrogation He Was Beaten Using Electric Shock to His Stomach and Leg   
    While some suffer because they do not want to answer questions about the activities of the organization they belong to, during that time others, in suits and ties, tell the court that they are a clergyman and do not want to divulge secrets aka confidential information. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    I note how tom has twisted the facts here. My laughing face emoji was towards tom's long and boring comment, making excuses for JW Org. You may note that tom was quoting from one of his books again, which in NO WAY related to the tortured JWs in Russia. 
    Then tom goes on about CSA etc, which again is not about the Russian torture.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia—Are Not the Anti-Cultists Responsible?   
    I think it is value to have personal opinion and thoughts about this subject. But i think you failed. 
    I would like to ask, did or does Russian secret service follows ex-JW channels , blogs, commentaries on internet or else, at all, or in such measure of interest that be possible to said how such information "inspired" Russian Government in a level to ban WTJWorg in their country? 
    Secular sources and even JWorg web site giving idea how ROC is reason why JW and other religions are under political attack. 
    Jehovah's Witnesses are one of the main targets of the attack led by the Russian Orthodox Church.  - https://wol.jw.org/hr/wol/d/r19/lp-c/102001284
    I think the real reason for this persecution is that they approach people directly, preach face-to-face, and thus compete with the Russian Orthodox Church in some regions. Obviously, the Moscow Patriarchate and top security officials are behind the whole story. " - https://hr.rbth.com/politics/2017/05/03/borba-s-jehovinim-svjedocima-rusija-zabranila-americku-crkvu_755251 
    Also, you have funny article on JW web site, about Who is Gog from Magog with "new clarification". Your's leaders gave explanation in which nothing had been said about ex-JW who, supposedly, leading any attack against WTJWorg in Russia or elsewhere. - https://www.jw.org/hr/biblioteka/casopisi/w20150515/gog-iz-magoga/
    I am suggesting  you to publish new article with demanti, own rebuttal. :)))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Sweden and Norway Recognize Jehovah’s Witnesses as a Religion That Contributes to Society   
    I went now on JWorg web and find this about my question:
     
    Since 2007, the Swedish government has repeatedly refused to grant Jehovah's Witnesses state subsidies, despite the fact that most other religions have received them. Our beliefs concerning political neutrality were criticized.
    Our brothers had to turn to court on three separate occasions to try to get a fair treatment by the Swedish government. And each time, the Supreme Administrative Court considered that the government's decision to refuse our organization state grants was contrary to the law and would be reassessed.
    On October 24, 2019, the government finally amended its decision, noting that Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill all the requirements for state subsidies.
    Yeah, WTJWorg go on Courts "fighting" for money. :)) Greed, love for money ??
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in In Chita, Vadim Kutsenko Reports That During Interrogation He Was Beaten Using Electric Shock to His Stomach and Leg   
    Yes, it is understandable if person have determination not to "betray" his fellow, religious camarade.
    But it is not acceptable for lawyer of same organization to refuse to tell who are members that were involved in CSA.
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