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Of course the watchtower believes in evolution, their doctrines are constantly changing into something else. Their latest evolution produced a scary 2 headed elephant looking thing called the overlapping generations.

Sorry about the delay, been traveling for work. Here is a video by Watchtower Examination, this man does a great job examining watchtower false doctrine. So at exactly 1 min this governing body member says that they are still roaming about. Feel free to watch the rest of the video and if anyone has problems with this mans viewpoint, talk to this man on you tube.

All dressed up and ready for the meeting.

 

Why does the mouth piece of Jehovah, the governing body say they are still roaming about? There is only one scripture in the bible that describes 'roaming about'.

Why does Jehovah only accept the worship of a man dressed up like Adolf Hitler in a business meeting?

On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 12:32 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

You cannot have it both ways ... unless you are SURE there is a sucker born every minute.

Your gods have it both ways.

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 8:22 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

No argument with this. It might be good to acknowledge this more frequently than is done.

Nonetheless, it is a bit like you hire a worker to reroof your house and he paints the house instead. Even though it did need painting, you are not happy. If he had painted in addition to reroofing, you would have been thrilled. But he painted instead of.

So it is with preaching good news and charitible works. Preaching always has the priority. See, for example, Matthew 9:35:

And Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the Kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity.

I notice he was teaching and healing, not just knocking on doors.

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 7:19 PM, Melinda Mills said:

Why don't we use the time to strengthen our faith and grow to salvation?   

In the new system we will know all that is to be known

That is until the governing body in the new system has new light on all there is to know.

I know a lot of well dressed Baptist preachers and woman.

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 3:46 AM, John Houston said:

Why didn't Jesus spend his time curing and healing those in need while he was here? He had the power and time. His time and efforts were turned elsewhere,correct? Our hope is life under the Kingdom, for permanent relief. Eternally!

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 3:46 AM, John Houston said:

Why didn't Jesus spend his time curing and healing those in need while he was here? He had the power and time. His time and efforts were turned elsewhere,correct? Our hope is life under the Kingdom, for permanent relief. Eternally!

Jesus didn't do any healing?

There is no argument that there are quite a few con artist using religion as a front to live in million dollar compounds. But there are religions that do bring in a lot of money, but also put out a lot of money in charity. And to say Jesus wasn't into charity, I would like to see the scripture that says so.

 

This story suggest quite possibly the shunning this mother went through broke her and she snapped?

So, some other religions have built hospitals, although quite imperfect, still endorse the religion that is behind the name. Could the Watchtower build a hospital that focuses on bloodless procedures. Or at least have a fund that will help jw's get to hospitals that specialize in bloodless surgery?

Could you please explain why you keep insisting all of Christendom churches are mega churches....I sure don't belong to a mega church and the church I attend isn't worth billions of dollars like the watchtower is or these other mega churches, why do you keep insisting all churches are mega churches and all pastors live like Hinn? 

And you guys have yet to explain why they had to build a highly secured luxury compound and still don't provide one dime in charity.

So about the life and times of the gods of the watchtower: this is just a small example.

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/no-expense-spared-governing-body-members-do-fly-business-class

Of course they don't live lives like the likes of Hinn, or Olsteen or other fake preachers. But still everything is provided for the gods of the watchtower, they are the key holders to the millions of dollars they control.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/204568/wealth-watch-tower-bible-tract-society-uk

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/43014/watchtower-34th-biggest-company-ny

So I would like you to back up your insistence that all churches of Christendom are mega churches and their leaders live like the pope  or Hinn/Olsteen, etc. 

7 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

That would depend on how narrow-minded you are with the word charity? Then, you will understand, what you are saying, Jesus was NOT a charitable man.

 

Just because, there are religions that give out money to look good, is not in itself a good contribution to Christian Life. Matthew 6:1-4

 

But, you are correct. The Watchtower doesnÂ’t force people to divorce, because the spouse is an unbeliever, or has become disconnected. Maybe you should see the Leeann Remy documentary to understand Scientology before you use them as an example. A good example is the affairs of Tom Cruise.

 

But, keep trying, you opposers are 0-1000 and counting!

 

Thank you for showing a perfect example of how detached from reality you jw's are.  Also how you attempt to deflect the conversation to something else...what the heck does forcing people to divorce have to do with the subject? You born in jw's have no clue how religious charities work, you do realize there is more research outside of the watchtower publications don't you?

 

The Governing Body of the watchtower wealth is tremendous, they are worth billions of dollars, yet they don't give out one cent to charity. 

The 

4 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Too bad, the Watchtower doesn’t have the expense of the majority of other religions that have the same per volume of followers, by paying hourly wages to their employees, and clergy salaries. The Salvation Army is generous when giving their top brass homes. They also, don’t have the luxury of purchasing airplanes, and 6 million dollar mansions. The Good thing, The Watchtower does recycle its money wherever possible. Those donations are stretched to the max. A luxury, it doesn’t have like the Vatican, with its purchases. As for lawsuits? that’s what the underwriter insurance is, for. You do well to learn, what you are criticizing the Watchtower, by sneaking in the word Pedophilia, as though The Watchtower is the only one plagued with man’s imperfection, and you don’t give the equal amount of criticism to OTHER religions, in this FORUM or ANY other FORUM, that you dare NOT ENTER.  ONCE AGAIN, at what point, did ANY OF YOU, believe the Watchtower, STATED, once you became a witness, your, ORIGINAL SIN would be removed?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5286955/Prosperity-Preacher-Kenneth-Copeland-giggles-GV.html

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25865017/ns/us_news-faith/t/televangelists-family-prospers-ministry/

 

 

 

The watchtower also doesn't do any charity like those other organiztions do. How you guys get tax exempt status is crazy, you guys are just like scientology, how they get tax exempt status is crazy....must be satan is behind your organization instead of God.

Other religions divulge their worth...why does the Gods of the watchtower hide their worth?

Why do kingdom halls have collection boxes and their conventions credit card collection machines? The watchtower just sold over 1 billion dollars worth of realestate, why do they need to collect credit card numbers?

So please provide proof that the pastors at my church 

6 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Ridiculous is, as ridiculous does. You just solved your first ridiculous word puzzle!

 

Megachurches and certainly, the VATICAN has MUCH MORE, get over it! Your plot didnÂ’t work!

 

So please provide proof that the pastors at my church live as lavishly at Benny Hinn or your governing body. And I don't attend  mega church.

21 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Just because the sheep take direction from the Shepherd when it comes to learn from scripture and in turn, use said Scripture to better themselves and or life does not mean that the sheep worship the Shepherd. For that is the role of a church leader/pastor/whatever you want to call em, and church leaders operate similarly to that of the early churches in ancient times, and how Jesus' Apostles operate to their students as well, Shepherd to Sheep, Sheep to Shepherd ; Flock to Shepherd Shepherd to Flock, thus becoming one in faith and in teaching(s).

Anyways as for those stats, they could be found just about anywhere, especially with stats containing statistics on revenue of the church, member count and the like.

The fact that you bring up John 2:16 makes me question if you understood of what it means, but I will explain it below.

There are some churches who use money to help out in their gospel, some who do it far better than others, for we have many examples of this, in some situations, the money used by the church is often use to help out members of the church and if the church is part of a religious organization, any church connected benefits from the money as well. Now if the JWs or Watchtower did use the money to build churches and maintain the church, to make their magazines, to send out aid, etc, keeping the money for themselves and only themselves, than that would be an issue, but that is only in the dreams of those who are their opponents. But the reality is JWs really do those things, even got relief efforts going on for them, aiding their brothers and sisters first, than going to help out others, Texas being an example.

And last I checked, I doubt any of those men who are the church leaders of the Watchtower even own mansions or houses, for if they remain in one spot and soon move to another spot, in this case, going back and forth, to place A, B, C, D to A again and repeating the cycle and what they all seem to care about is their teachings and that their church members having faith in said teachings, whereas ironically, some other churches today are supposedly copying the JWs when it comes to not celebrating only "some" holidays and adhering to the bible, elsewhere, people would not set foot in a JW church, however, they are open to accept magazines, bible and or any resources they could get for free from JWs and in turn, use it. You'd be surprise of how many people like, want and even learn from their magazines vs JW opponents who take them only to throw it away in the faces of JWs.

Apparently you do not really know Benny Hinn, for he generates money, yes, but majority of the money goes forwards his church, his security and bodyguards, and most of all, his house: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/benny-hinns-house/view/google/

We have his other house, Purchases 15,000-Square-Foot Italian Villa

 Other pastors being examples such as: Joel Olsteen, Francis Chan, Creflo Dollar, to name a few.

Some other examples of how pastors use their money, even having reality shows and the like:

 

For Preachers like this preach do not the gospel that comes from the bible or that of the gospel that Jesus Christ preached. For they preach the prosperity gospel (Prosperity Theology) - the promise of becoming rich, monetarily and spirituality if you tithe to the church.For the money barely goes towards helping the church members, the church, or anything pertaining to relief, etc.

This includes Benny Hinn and his pals.

Regarding Creflo Dollar:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-siebold/the-biggest-scam-of-all-p_b_7521170.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Then we have silly Trinitarians (False Christians of Babylon) defending such persons and themselves:

As for John 2:16:

My Father's House Some groups (majority being Trinitarians) who misinterpret this completely fails to honestly regard the context of the passage: "Take these things away and stop making my Father’s house a marketplace." His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house will consume me." John 2:16-17 (see Psalm 69:9). The Temple is the Father's house, the Father of Jesus. Likewise, we are to understand that the body of Christ is the temple of God, that is, the Father's house. The Father's Word had tabernacled in human flesh (John 1:14) and the Father abiding in Jesus did the works (John 14:10).

Let the reader also observe that Jesus did not describe the Temple as his house; Jesus did not describe the Temple as the Triune God's house; the Temple was his God's house, the Father's house. The Old Testament God of Israel was the Father of Jesus and the Temple built by Solomon was the Father's House. This simple fact alone tells us that the God of the Shema was the Father of Jesus. Under the Law, the Father's house was a stone temple. But something new was taking place. The Spirit of the Father had come to dwell in Jesus and this man himself was now God the Father's tabernacle, the Temple of God. And indeed, we also read in the Scriptures that the body of Christ, the church, is the Temple of God where His Spirit dwells.

The Scriptural facts show us that his body was the Temple of God; the Word tabernacled in human flesh and that flesh was the Father's Temple. He, this body of flesh, was the Father's Word and he spoke the words of the Father. This account is about the Father's house, the Temple. Jesus' words were not his own but the Father's who sent him. This body of flesh (body of this man), His Temple, was His Word to the world. Since he was the Father's Word, there were two witnesses as according to the Law. Jesus tells us many times in John's Gospel that he spoke the words of the Father. He kept his Father's word (John 8:55) for eternal life.

For I did not speak from myself, but the Father Himself who sent me has given me commandment as to what to say and what to speak. I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me. John 12:50

The word Jesus had spoken at John 2:19 were the words of the Father. The Father's word is "the word of life" (1 John 1:1). In the Gospel of John, Jesus is the Father's word tabernacled in human flesh. Therefore, being the Father's word, what then did you expect the Father to say when these men asked Jesus by what authority he had cleared the Temple? "Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up."

 

"I am the resurrection and the life." John 11:25

 

Anyways, do you have a source for them using expensive flights and only going to 5 star hotels, as you claim? Since you did state the following:

 

 

I wasn't the one to use John out of context....could you please provide me proof that the pastors of my church live lavish lifestyles or live in billion dollar compounds like the governing body?

Now that we've established that it's ridiculous to claim the governing body, aka gods of the watchtower live lavishly, could jw's please stop spreading lies that all of Christendom's pastors, teachers etc. live lavish lifestyles, the pastor's at my church drive minivans, live in small homes, etc and don't have anywhere near the wealth the governing body has. 

And since a jw bought it up, what is so sinful about raising money for charity through a church building?

On ?2?/?17?/?2018 at 10:13 AM, AllenSmith said:

Is it any different with all the holes this meaningless question, has? that it takes fluff to make it? So, I'm echoing from the best of the best ROOK, You, Witness, and Matthew, LOL!!!

ADDED:

This silly, diversional and hypothetical, tactic of a post, meant to somehow show the investment the Watchtower has on the property when the same can be said about ANY religion throughout the World, is? Therefore a nonsensical, and meaningless comparison.

 

 

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/georgetown-study-religion-worth-12-trillion-us-economy-more-google-and

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion

In comedy, it would be delivered by the 3 stooges, Curly, Larry, and Moe!!! Therefore, the property that, any religious organization has? Is no excuse for criticism? Acts 5:21

 

Now, if you ever see a Kingdom Hall, or the headquarters being used to play BINGO, SALE GOODS, ARTS and CRAFT SHOWS, FAIRS, well, you get the point, then apply Jesus words in John 2:16.

 

WhereÂ’s the criticism from Matthew, Witness, and JTR on actual bible based conditions, applied and perpetrated by the majority of Christendom, today?

 

 

 

Those stats you put up include the watchtower bible and tract society estimated net worth in the billions.....just like the catholic church. And you take John 2:16 out of context which show's you have very little clue as to how some churches raise money, where as in John people were ripping poor people off by selling sacrificial animals at higher prices. Those 7 men you worship now realized how they want to live in Luxury like Benny Hinn or the Pope, fly first class, stay in 5 star hotels and don't lift a finger for the billions of dollars they control. Sounds like your jealous of them.

What's wrong with jeans?  Over here jw women are forbidden to wear even trousers on cold days. I imagine tight pants Tony will eventually rule all jw women must wear skirts at all times.