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And every baseball game could go on for an eternity since they would be in a perpetual tie at every inning.

Kind of curious though, weddings are mentioned,  but continuously celebrating a wedding year after year is not, seems like that is a worldly custom witnesses enjoy?

Some do and some don't, however I do not condone the behavior I saw one day of a jw mother letting their underage daughter pick out alcoholic beverages, sends the wrong signal.

Give it a dust rag and ask it to clean the top of the shelf while it's up there.

English Standard Version When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Perhaps because excommunication (expelling) is indeed a real and biblical thing and since it is in scripture, it is to be followed because if we accept what is written in the bible, we accept the practice of excommunication.

• http://shamelesspopery.com/biblical-excommunication/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication
• http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/12/shunning-unrepentant-or-contentious-sinners-biblical.html
• https://www.gotquestions.org/excommunication.html

Jesus also stated the scriptures cannot be broken nor does any get off Scott free for breaking God's law, let alone change it to fit doctrine, something of which Paul adheres to a great deal, hence the links posted above. In addition to that, Jesus didn't come to abolish the law either.

It usually depends on the person. You'd be surprised about those who are excommunicated who work on acceptance, thus allowing some form of communication to take place and visits from a pastor and or church leader. I posted here before excommunication of JWs, to which a girl had been excommunicated 2-3 times, but out of repentance and strive to do what is right, she rejoined her faith and even go her husband and children to be part of the faith, it varies because culture-wise, JWs differ from each other despite being united in a single faith. However it is not as troubling as the Herem, not only you are cut off from family and the community, despite attempting to repent, you are literally exiled from the community also, totally off the premises, and if you are a child, that is another story. But as for JWs, the information and or video you posted, there has been those who have been excommunicated who came out to defend JWs either way and those who do not speak negatively of God and or Jesus are not totally shun, but have access to those who can help them to repentant, including their families, and sources do back this up.

This video was posted by a Muslim, yes, a Muslim, who apparently defended JWs in the Dawah community for he had linked this to Trinitarians who were lying about Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, Muslims and the deal with Muslims in the UK, clearly the Muslim commentor won that discussion:

 

Other links/sources:

• https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/
• https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102008083
• https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130815/disfellowshipped-child-seating-location/

Not really, but clearly someone has not been around the block a few times. You should try meeting with JWs and or talk to those who are bounded by their culture and cultural practices sometime.

If you did the research, the answer is there. But if you truly feel this way, then you the group of Christians who want to change and alter everything Paul has taught in scripture, but Christians who are true do not buy into that nonsense to belittle those who lived in those bible days, especially override of what was taught in this regard.

Quote: Scripturally, excluding a person from the church is preceded by admonition and counsel; it is only employed in cases of bona fide heresy, obdurate divisiveness, or blatant, unrepentant sin; and it is a last resort. After excommunication, the relationship between the former member and the church naturally changes, and the “shunning command”—not to eat with such a person—may come into play. However, the church still has the responsibility to pray for the one being disciplined and to extend forgiveness when repentance is evident. Shunning, as defined as a refusal to speak to someone or a total severing of all ties, goes beyond what the Bible advocates.

So the question is, what is it they are lying about? For if everyone is aware of the teachings of Apostle Paul and how he went about dealing with and excommunicating people within the church, let alone what even John had said in 2 John 1: 9 and 10 or even God himself who is the one wanting to keep purity and holiness among the people of the church, then what is the problem?

It is no wonder mainstream Christianity is pushing the notion that Christians should not literally follow what Paul had taught, cherry picking his verses, that Christians should not adhere to what John had said, and totally brush over what God had said himself and what his people did to keep the temple clean and pure, as if we had not learn from the days of Aaron and Samuel, etc.

Other then that, excommunication is indeed a big thing, but looking at it from a biblical perspective, one would realize why it was done and that is was necessary, in the end the one who is striving to repent can be counseled to for the one who seeks repented is not one to bring apostasy in God's name compared to those who actually do.

 

Misc.

For us Unitarians, excommunication is a practice also, other Unitarian denominations tend to having to deal with sinners who are in the wrong and have used expelling/excommunication to deal with such persons.

And yes, the shun command is indeed a real thing and it is biblical, but counseling to the sinner is allowed, for anyone who practices excommunication is allowed to counsel said person, especially if the person is a pastor and or church leader of the church of which so and so has been removed from. Not removing said person, regardless of who they are, only further justifies what God's holiness and purity is not being respected by Christians - something mainstream Christians are too stubborn to understand.

In the end, no one in their right mind would override God's law, change and or replace it with something they think is right vs. the scripture.

Dude you are so obsessed with picking apart my arguments, you are mixing up what I am saying and quotes from the watchtower. It's clear to me you are pretending to be a Unitarian, most of which are atheist or deist. You are a jw who is pretending. I've seen your type quite a few times in the past 27 years. Please don't bother replying to my post any more. Not much quite as irritating as fake people.

The governing body states that they are not to shun family members. We don't know the detail in this relationship, but keep in mind Jesus even forgave those who put Him to death.

My daughter decided she doesn't want anything to do with Christ, does that mean I am going to shun her, never help her, no because my love for her isn't conditional, Jesus love is not conditional. Of course I won't bend to her worldly views and will continue to talk to her about truth. But won't be unloving jerk like this father is.

On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 1:47 AM, Gone Away said:

For anyone stumbling across this sad little cameo, the embroidery of text, both in the youtube and forum posting creates puzzlement. The video is about the family relationship problems that some elderly folk brought on themselves by dissassociating themselves from the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Their issue seems to be around their regret over the estrangement this created in their relationship with their granddaughter.

It is difficult to see a relevant connection with the post title "Why does the governing body lie?" or the reference to issues involving a disfellowshipped husband and his Witness family.

Only a jehovahs witness would presume it's the grandmother who is refusing to have anything to do with her grandchild.

Or since they claim to be the mouthpiece of Jehovah, they are making Jehovah out to be a liar?

This is from the Questions from readers on jw.org:

"What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah’s Witnesses? The religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue."

Which is a obvious contradiction to this video:

 

If they lie about this, they can lie about other things.

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

When you go to the hospital, they bring in a cart (a small table on wheels) with a LOT of electronics on it, to do Electrocardiograms (record all manner of heart activity, with squiggly lines ... on a computer monitor) and other tests.

Probably the cart also has a printer so the squiggly lines of heart activity can be printed out.

So technically .... and it was a joke ... well..... it was an ATTEMPTED joke .....

This satisfies the question that I can answer, with as short an answer as the question was .... um... if you consider getting a cart to be short term.

( ...with a flourish cues the drummer over in the corner with the cymbals .... and the ceiling mounted flashing APPLAUSE sign ...)

And it cost you extra money to have a nurse turn that annoying beeping sound off.

https://thewaterproject.org/

My church works with this organization.

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Yeah ... let's drive business OUT of business!

Ever worked for a poor person?

I never have.

When an executive buys a yacht, or a Lear Jet, hundreds of thousands of people get employed.

A mansion does not build itself.

It takes an ARMY of contractors and their employees to make all these things.

That way, income inequality is solved by WORKING PEOPLE!

Replacing a cracked windshield in a Lear Jet costs about $70,000.00 and employs HUNDREDS of people.

Too many snowflakes flying around to see that logic.

November 15, 2009 Watchtower "What do Your Prayers Say About You?" page 6 para 19 reads: 19 When we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of God." (1 Pet 2:17) There may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a Christian meeting.(Eccl 3:1) For instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer. This might offend or distract some, including visitors who do not share our beliefs. Some marriage mates might discreetly hold hands, but if they embraced each other during public prayer, those who got a glimpse of such conduct might be stumbled. They might think or get the impression that the couple was focusing on their romantic relationship instead of reverence for Jehovah. Out of deep respect for him, let us therefore "do all things for God's glory" and avoid conduct that could distract, shock or stumble anyone.- 1 Cor 10:31,32; 2 Cor 6:3.

I have faith that a cup of coffe will wake me up....... wait I have to be awake already in order to drink it.

You must make a living on doing this.

13 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Was it that necessary to grave dig a 2016 thread when it is March 17, 2018, to be specific a thread posted March 25, 2016 (about 722 days), with a small comment? It would not have been much of an effort to simply contact the user via pm messaging: https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/profile/5857-γιαννης-διαμαντιδης/

or wait until said user of this thread gives an update.

Don't let that happen again, for in doing so makes any comment without an update from the creator of the thread, obsolete and or irrelevant, especially if a person who didn't make this thread says something vague.

What is gravedigging?

Gravedigging is the term we use for reviving inactive threads the name is fitting, because you're basically just digging up things that are long gone.

Why is gravedigging so bad?

Why exactly shouldn't you gravedig? It's pretty simple: Reviving old threads clutters the forum. If everyone went ahead and posted on threads from a while ago, newer threads would struggle to appear from beneath the threads of old nonsense. If one person revives an old thread, other people end up posting on it too. Those members will continue to bump an old thread, advertising it to even more potential posters. Often, an inactive thread will contain outdated information on a particular topic. We want to make sure that you're getting all the updates you need, and so avoiding bringing up older threads is best.

How can I tell if I'm about to gravedig a thread?

Knowing when you might be about to gravedig a thread is important. There might even be times where you avoid posting on a thread because you're worried about gravedigging it when it's actually okay. The age cutoff, when a thread goes from being active to inactive, is currently two weeks If a thread is on the first page of a section, you may post on that thread without being at risk of gravedigging, regardless of the age cutoff. If a thread is not on the first page of a section but has not yet reached the age cutoff, you may post on that thread without being at risk of gravedigging. You may also post on guides/tutorials, regardless of activity, without being at risk of gravedigging as long as you're posting something constructive, and not something like "great guide" etc. Pinned threads and staff members are also immune from gravedigging. In a nutshell, you can post on any thread that was last active under two weeks ago, and you can also post on threads that were not active under two weeks ago as long as they're on the first page of a section.

This also goes for ignoring Search Bars, in some cases.

Source

https://www.rtsoft.com/forums/showthread.php?26209-Spamming-And-Gravedigging-Explained

Information on this can also be Goggle'd on the Internet regarding ALL forums known on the internet.

Remember this, please, for if this was elsewhere, the CSE Christian Community forums, you would have been in a world heavy criticism for pulling that off there.

I don't believe you are in a position to tell me what I may post on or may not post on. Darn internet free speech police.

Sounds like this man is not sinning, just wants to worship God.

Slow down I'm still trying to wrap my head around Jesus being present but not arriving.

I like the poetry of Psalm 19:1

On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 8:11 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Why does the Watchtower not build a hospital or provide aid for bloodless procedures?

TWO REASONS come to mind.

Because it  requires requires educated, certified and tested medical people ... and they ALREADY have enough lawsuits.

Bethelite Bobby Brother with a box of band-aids just isn't the surgeon you want working on your heart.

How about a fund that will help people get to bloodless medical specialty centers?

And yeah I don't want a window washer operating on me.

15 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

How different is it from, you people love to bash the Watchtower, that doesn't change apply to your thought? Can the Pea call the kettle black?

OH yeah! wasn't it the Catholic Church that got Bro. Rutherford, arrested for subversion? How nasty can one church get over another for the teachings and understanding of God's word? Besides:

https://www.catholic.com/tract/stumpers-for-the-jehovahs-witnesses

 

Pea's are green...just saying. And if a critique of your gods is considered persecution and bashing, you need to put on some big boy pants.

17 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

You probably mean "rove about" or roving about. Dan 12

So why would anyone trust the words of a group of men who put themselves on the same level as God....when they are roving about like blind people? 

21 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Top of the morning to you laddie!

 

The answer to your question as an ex-witness NO!

 

ThereÂ’s no need for any active witness to compare the organization that diligently uses donated funds in a responsible way by finding the best possible avenue to continue the operation of, said organization, by NOT further subjecting them to tireless and frivolous donations to BANKROLL the,

 

1.       The COST of having Preachers, like the Catholic, and many others that PAY THEIR CLERGY HEADS.

 

2.       The COST of paying for those Clergy heads homes

 

3.       The COST of, lavish lifestyle, (i.e. expensive dinners, non-worship vacations, etc.)

 

4.       The COST of unnecessary equipment such as airplanes

 

5.       The COST of trains that promote tourism, rather than the worship of our Almighty God.

 

I think you know where IÂ’m going with this. Therefore to SCUFF and INSINUATE a negative attribute about the Watchtower Financial business and portfolio dealings? Is, to say the least, an embarrassing attempt in your behave. Remember donations alone wonÂ’t supply the necessary means to operate such a VAST world operation. OUR brothers need all the help they can get

 

So, once again, TRUE bothers, NOT some here, donÂ’t need to compare finances, especially when you know, firsthand, the publishers are kept up to date with their local, regional, and global finances through, post in the local congregation and yearbook. Titus 3:9

 

Perhaps you should discuss why you became blinded by these world desires, that you lost hope by removing yourself from GodÂ’s care and words. That should be the focus of every ex-witness that has been given the opportunity by the dealings of this owner that gives you this platform to violate several of GodÂ’s command. 2 Timothy 2:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21

 

 

You enjoy quoting Proverbs, therefore you are aware! Proverbs 17:1, Proverbs 17:14, Proverbs 17:19-20, Proverbs 18:6-7, Proverbs 20:3.

 

 

You jw's sure do love to bash the catholic church, some things never change.

So much hatred and anger over the topic of money.