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Not it isn't. It is no accusation. Those who are taught about God and ultimately abandon God as is speak ill of him and or lie by means of their exegesis about him are of this fold.
Yet when the history is spoken in the past in this regard, you shoot away at it. This is evident because you didn't even know what Restorationism is.
It isn't a Watchtower direction, so thank you for the humor. If you bothered to not only research the word Apostasy, as is the history behind it, you'd realize it, but as proven before, core Christian knowledge is not really there in you.
Did you not READ what I said to @TrueTomHarley? [Although Apostasy, being an alienation from God, it can spell disaster in some instances.]
So tell me, is homosexuality right in the eyes of God because through Jesus he accepts everyone? The answer is pretty obvious. Or how about same sex marriage? As long as both persons are in union before God and accept God, you think that is okay? Or maybe, is it right to make the claim that God was the one responsible for the Coronavirus, just so he can pass judgement? Or perhaps, the bombing of innocence men, women and children is a justice in the eyes of God for those of the US and the UK?
I guess you need a "Pink Bible" for those.
Apostasy is an alienation from God, and all things pertaining to him, even his Christ, and it can spell disaster. This just proves my case here as to which you are utterly unaware.
You have to be completely ignorant to assume this is on the Watchtower alone when everyone can see it, even the chosen ones. We also have the fact that @Kosonen was right here, as was I.
Says the man who is unaware of things. You already proven yourself where you stand spiritually, as is exposed yourself to be a misguided soul.
why not? It would not surprise me if you yourself got hit by the wave as did most.
I pointed out 2 factors, and you have no evidence (unproven opinions) as to how I lack both understanding and meaning if [I can attest to] the Concordances for the word(s) itself is clear, as is with those who studied the Crucifixions and gave commentary insight as to who and why it can be said.
Again with the alienation. So please address the questions highlighted in blue and red. This just shows you are misguided because you did not understand the context of the point.
You should examine yourself, because last I checked, didn't realize what Strong's were, even when told, you forget, and every time there is Concordances involved, you have 0% understanding in this regard unless told by some, even me, etc.
Next time when you bring a claim, back it up because in my case, I only need to link your quotations.
And so what? What are you attempt to prove with an American saying of which you have no knowledge of?
That being said, I like how you bring Romans 12:9, yet Hermeneutical Context doesn't even correlate with the point made (which puts into question your claim of seeking and or having spiritual knowledge). JB, I thought you examined yourself spiritually here how can those having hatred of God abhor what is bad? Makes no sense (and you know it), and it shows you got it backwards, I guess you like to humor people, but of course you laugh out your mistakes - as always. This reminds me of what happened to Syrian Christians, of which the verse can be applied. A few years back the US/UK allies promised the city, and the Christians there, they will protect them, only for abandon them, resulting in the men, women and children to later be victims of terrorists, poisoners, killed, raped, forced into child marriage, slave labor, etc. Those who managed to escape made everyone aware of what happened. Why the allied forced left? Because they want their land back, and the only way to do it was to soften up even disarm the city, and abandoning them to the terrorist. They didn't care about God's Word when pretending to defend their own blood, nor did they abhor what is bad because instead of God, all they saw was their land. Also amazing how the US and the UK were hush hush about it, reasons why such ones continue to blame the US, UK and their allies.
That said, the remark is in regards to hatred towards Christians and of God and his teachings, hence the alienation, as is with unchristianization of the Word.
[haters hate because they can't appreciate, in turn, haters makes one even more famous.] - all quotations have meaning, of course.
More and more people bring forth hate and persecution to break Christians, moreover, they do not appreciate the teachings of God so they'll do anything and everything to destroy and suppress it. But Christians remain enduring and strong against such because they know if hated, they are in the right for speaking true, in this regard, famous before God and famous before those who wants to stop God's people despite every attempt being a failure. The fact that Tom was able to understand that, but you didn't speaks volume.
You speaking of Romans 12:9 is out of context here for the verses stats [Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.]
There is a verse you should have used in this regard, and it is Ephesians 4:18, which would have made more sense.
It reads [being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their heart;]
Those who hold to this category do have darken hearts. Because they reject God with their folly, they do not have in view the life of God of which he gives them, hence God being the life giver. Their hearts are also harden, so even if a Christian reasons with them, they do not listen, even if they attack or kill a Christian or do anything vile of ill intent, they hold no remorse, not to mention they rejoice at trying to break them from the inside and out. They love what is bad and wicked. They abhor ALL that is good. And they will find away to attack, as is willfully confuse Christians if need be because they do not see their err and are lost. Something of which Satan the Devil takes joy in as is a rebellious child who steals candy from another child. In rare instances, some come to their senses, and make the return to God, we even have Bible examples, un turn mirrors today.
Last I checked, you do not preach the gospel and the like you only focus on the Watchtower solely, this goes back to what I challenged you on too in 2020 before I was invited to a group to aid young people, so you do not know, thus being unaware, of things outside of your home, let alone where you live.
So how does hatred of God have love when they have hate?  How can they cling to what is good, if they cling to what is bad? Again, Tom understood the point, you didn't, despite the response was solely for Tom in regards to what he said. You interjected unwisely with no understanding of things.
But you equate all of them as bad and evil, i.e. because of @Arauna, you equate ALL JWs to be like her, have you made every single JW? Have you met Castle? have you met Kathgar? Also Swahili JWs have been mentioned, forgot about them? You show an understanding as the Canada Church debaters from a few days ago, which is a shame.
It was said on CSE that the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses, some people who leave claim to seek a better understanding of God, but at the same time, they allow themselves to be open to falsehood, conspiracy and misinformation, and an odd exgesis. Even some who are not of any group called this out, and there was a case where Muslims, some who do not like JWs or Christians, made a fool of former JWs in their debates. You speak of lies, but you assumed the truth of the Concordances to be false, despite the Concordances did not originate with Jehovah's Witnesses, you later assumed a group existed only to be false, and now you adhere to the Smurf, who is known by ExJWs to make wild accusations about JWs.
You say you hate what is bad, but misinformation is also bad, as with apostasy, it can spell disaster. If you actually know the history of early Christianity, you'd also know that. Not once I hear you talk about the Councils, so that remains to be seen.
You haven't given any evidence to how Scripture was misused when you yourself do not know Strong's. In this case, the issue with Hands vs. Wrists (hence Concordances are always right), which has been talked about even outside of the JW faith, mainly due to the fact of how crucifixion were done and the tearing of flesh, etc. Most people do not really focus on that, but rather, if the device used was a cross or a stake.
It is an American English saying from said folks... Are you really focused on that of which you do not know the point? Laughable. Very.
 
That being said, it is not WISE to read into things literally, it is WISE to take in all information concerning the words and roots of the Greek text concerning hands or wrists, as is, with what the conclusion actually is. Greeks didn't' speak English back then, so let's not assume they did. In this regard, the notation isn't that much of an issue, very elementary and minor, for the real focus to many is either cross or stake.

I can relate to that because I have debated conspiracy theorists before, the legit ones, not the the alleged ones the MSM brands people.
Sadly, but true, there are conspiracy theorists in the Abrahamic Faiths (i.e. those who believe God as given people superpowers by means of magic.... Yeah it gets that weird), some of which, I had mentioned before.
That being said, this "IBSA conspiracy" can be considered debunked.
 

@Patiently waiting for Truth The Jehovah's Witnesses were AFTER the Schisms, 3 of them to be exact. Likewise with the other groups, even the DBSA. 
And no, do not make assumptions, that information only took 2 minutes of research, that is elementary knowledge just by the history itself.
If you forgot, here is the image again, you should know this because you are a former Jehovah's Witness, granted you always said because you were once part of the faith, you knew everything:
                         
You made the claim that the IBSA still exist, it was already known of Associated and Free Bible Students, and how the JWs came to be as noted below:
So you are attempting to justify a UK only based Charity? Your own quotation kills your resolve:
You were asked on activities, not names also...
Not to mention your link leads to sources that shows Data analytics for for financials, you were asked on recent activities of the IBSA itself (of which you claim are still active DESPITE the schisms), as in gospel preaching and the like. Not to mention you deliberately, and knowingly went around history to justify misinformation. That is essentially lying on purpose.
As a side note, your original link has no connection at all, so it shows you are just looking for something to justify nothing.
That being said, the focus originally was about FACTS over OPINION. Just this IBSA thing alone, you made an unproven statement. You later tried to use the above to justify yourself which ultimately puts you in error.
Again, misinformation, misconception, opinions with no factual backing.
You asked before what it takes to achieve knowledge and or understanding of core teachings, the answer was very simple - Research. In this case, only a few seconds of searching, which you could have done instead of jumping to your own conclusions, which was seen as a bluff.
What makes it even worse now, in regards to Witness' remark, you just proved the GB to be in the right when it comes to people jumping to conclusions without having all the facts and going about listening to misinformation to draw your own conclusion, mainly from things that former witnesses use and conjure up some narrative to intertwined it with something; mixing what is seen by the public with false information.
There is a saying we have in the US, that fits this type of situation - Congratulations, you just played yourself. 
Anyway, it is very easy to find the activities of the other groups in regards to their gospel spreading, etc. as is the difference between them; from the Associated Bible Student Factions and the Free Bible Student Factions, as well as apart from the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Free Man group, again with DBSA, their recent activities, in example (http://www.dawnbible.com/2021/2108cl-1.htm), likewise with what was quoted before.
That real estate notation is irrelevant. If it was International (definition - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/international), it would not be secluded to the UK only, likewise with your latter link, which goes a contradiction on your part.
That being said, if the IBSA existed today, there wouldn't even be groups that came out of it, which is why I asked you to answer question 1 and 2. IBSA would still be active, even maintain their Restorationists roots and go about how those in Restorationism operate - The DBSA would not exist, The Layman's and the Free Man, or any of the Associated/Free Bible Student groups would not exist because they'd all already be under the umbrella of the IBSA, an international group with the same motive and operation. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses would not exist, nor the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" would ever be given at all. There wouldn't be any Schisms, no Rutherford or anyone else, etc. But that, my friend, is in a different realm of reality, an imaginative one, a "What If" type situation.
When you discover time travel, JB, perhaps you can do whatever you wish, alter the timeline so to speak.
All that said, you show yourself an example of someone who goes about unproven things, misinformation and the like - and now, it is shown for all to see, so you should have kept that IBSA card tucked away in your pockets, so to speak.

lol you can't be serious? The link says international bible students, but the website in question is an archived database of what the IBSA was when it existed. IF you are trying to humor me, you just did.
Evidence to that is archived information with no updates, the website even tells you they do not produce anything. That statement you stated says who are the Bible students, it does not make any indication of the IBSA itself, granted, from the IBSA several groups were formed, in this case, the Jehovah's Witnesses.
More so history isn't your strong point, and you simply set yourself up badly here.
There has not been any update on that website, and it has a collection and even archives of what was professed by them and others, i.e. links takes you elsewhere to information that isn't in associated with IBSA. The links relay to other sources that isn't of IBSA, more so, does not even associate with IBSA. and it is not secure (very telling when source is checked, meaning anything can be put there).
Something tells me you pulled the first item off of a google search, when to the "about" page to copy that quote. Therefore - You sought to Excalibur, but you found a wooden sword instead.
This also pushes the fact that to Res Lite's credit, and the evidence, the group broken into different groups, as shown here, this picture below can also be found online for the general public to see.
There are 5 Associated Bible Students, DBSA is included among them, then there are the Free Bible Students, 3, making it a total of 8. Max number being 11, which includes the Laymen's, Jehovah's Witnesses, and The Free Man Group. There are other groups that came out of the Associated and Free branches, but I am focusing on the early ones of which DBSA is a part of.
 
                                   
 
That being said, you walked into a bear trap with this one for your claim. Let's see if you can hold to your so called source.
2 Questions for you since you provided this link:
Question 1 - If the IBSA is present today as you claim, then why do Free and Associated Bible Students and the latter, such as groups similar to DBSA exist after the schisms?? If the IBSA existed, there wouldn't be a need for such groups and JWs would not even be here. 
Question - 2 From your link, as you claim the IBSA is active today, can you name a few updates from the years 2020 and 2021? What updates have they done so far concerning God and or Scripture (Remember - the IBSA was a unified group since it's inception)? I can give you a list of DBSA activities [1950-1963], even recent updates [2020-2021], I have information on the other ones, but since I brought forth Res Lite, he will be my example. They differ from other Bible Students as well as the JWs themselves.
In fact, here is the most recent information about them:
Clearly this group is active.
So I will wait since you want to make make the claim.
As pointed out,
You'll have to explain why you suggest the IBSA exist today when there are different associated and free Bible students that came out of them, as well as the JWs. For if they existed, the JWs may not have even been existing as we speak.
Second, you stated they are active despite the fact their time has passed. If they are active as you claim, can you bring up any recent activity from them, by quotation and a source?
That is what is on the table right now.
I'll wait. and there is a meme for that one too, which seems to be right for this occasion:
                                                         
 
Also other facts, which shows us the IBSA eventually broke into various groups (You do not have to read it but it is here so people can see your folly)
 

Apostasy in the modern age can pose a danger indirectly too resulting in innocent bystanders to get caught in the crossfire. Most Apostates do not recognize their err in this regard and pretend as if nothing happened, and or simply blame the one whom they are against, be it a religious group and or institution. An example would be the religious group, Islam. Where wrong information was pushed forth resulting in various crimes, the rape and killing of a Muslim girl by some random person who isn't even of the faith, acid being thrown at someone and just Canadian family was ran over by someone purposely, killing them. Apostasy of Islam or those who are fearful of Islam end up blaming the people and the faith itself. Likewise in Christianity, Christians are subjected to the same thing, even manipulated in the same manner.
Although Apostasy, being an alienation from God, it can spell disaster in some instances. A parallel but can also be used as an example - We can even go as far back as the Council of Nicaea, as to when Arius died, some have said the Bishops who proclaim the Trinitarian faith rejoiced.
Now in this regard, you can have apostates bring forth a claim regarding Jesus' crucifixion. Cross or Stake, Hands or Wrist, not realizing one shouldn't be reading into this literally to conclude their own exegesis.
As the cool folks say today, haters hate because they can't appreciate, in turn, haters makes one even more famous.
That being said, Apostasy will remain for up until the conclusion of the End Times the way I see it. As for now religion and politics are the very things being hit hard by the latter, politics in general, although one has to be neutral with them, you still have to watch how they move.

I can relate to that because I have debated conspiracy theorists before, the legit ones, not the the alleged ones the MSM brands people.
Sadly, but true, there are conspiracy theorists in the Abrahamic Faiths (i.e. those who believe God as given people superpowers by means of magic.... Yeah it gets that weird), some of which, I had mentioned before.
That being said, this "IBSA conspiracy" can be considered debunked.
 

The article in question may have been used out of context by some, in regards to the 120 range of years, people go to this article. So in regards to what you said and this article it can easily be deduced to warning events and the like, hence what I mentioned to Srecko. I am still researching on more that Reslite mentioned, as is the Bible students concerning 2034, because for them, they fit your view along with Newton's view

Apostasy in the modern age can pose a danger indirectly too resulting in innocent bystanders to get caught in the crossfire. Most Apostates do not recognize their err in this regard and pretend as if nothing happened, and or simply blame the one whom they are against, be it a religious group and or institution. An example would be the religious group, Islam. Where wrong information was pushed forth resulting in various crimes, the rape and killing of a Muslim girl by some random person who isn't even of the faith, acid being thrown at someone and just Canadian family was ran over by someone purposely, killing them. Apostasy of Islam or those who are fearful of Islam end up blaming the people and the faith itself. Likewise in Christianity, Christians are subjected to the same thing, even manipulated in the same manner.
Although Apostasy, being an alienation from God, it can spell disaster in some instances. A parallel but can also be used as an example - We can even go as far back as the Council of Nicaea, as to when Arius died, some have said the Bishops who proclaim the Trinitarian faith rejoiced.
Now in this regard, you can have apostates bring forth a claim regarding Jesus' crucifixion. Cross or Stake, Hands or Wrist, not realizing one shouldn't be reading into this literally to conclude their own exegesis.
As the cool folks say today, haters hate because they can't appreciate, in turn, haters makes one even more famous.
That being said, Apostasy will remain for up until the conclusion of the End Times the way I see it. As for now religion and politics are the very things being hit hard by the latter, politics in general, although one has to be neutral with them, you still have to watch how they move.

This is exactly what happened with the early Christians. It was a point David S said in his talk, and I was surprised because I had said it in TTvtA & I had otherwise heard it nowhere else.
Within 35 years after Jesus death, Christians has the reputation of “haters of the human race.” (Tacitus—writing on the persecution of Nero’s time) How could that possibly be? One religious scholar (G.A. Wells) said it was due to their “informants,”—former members eager to put the faith in the worst possible light. These would have been persons such as John wrote of, those “chattering about us with wicked words”—ones such as yourself,  jealous of being usurped and ready to say the most vile things about former brothers and sisters, characterizing the “presumptuous” Peter as being a racist for his one time avoiding the Gentiles, for instance, or a coward for 3 times denying his Lord. “He’s the one with the keys to the kingdom?” I can hear you jeering right now.
The vast majority of modern-day apostates have gone the atheist route.

I can relate to that because I have debated conspiracy theorists before, the legit ones, not the the alleged ones the MSM brands people.
Sadly, but true, there are conspiracy theorists in the Abrahamic Faiths (i.e. those who believe God as given people superpowers by means of magic.... Yeah it gets that weird), some of which, I had mentioned before.
That being said, this "IBSA conspiracy" can be considered debunked.
 

@Patiently waiting for Truth The Jehovah's Witnesses were AFTER the Schisms, 3 of them to be exact. Likewise with the other groups, even the DBSA. 
And no, do not make assumptions, that information only took 2 minutes of research, that is elementary knowledge just by the history itself.
If you forgot, here is the image again, you should know this because you are a former Jehovah's Witness, granted you always said because you were once part of the faith, you knew everything:
                         
You made the claim that the IBSA still exist, it was already known of Associated and Free Bible Students, and how the JWs came to be as noted below:
So you are attempting to justify a UK only based Charity? Your own quotation kills your resolve:
You were asked on activities, not names also...
Not to mention your link leads to sources that shows Data analytics for for financials, you were asked on recent activities of the IBSA itself (of which you claim are still active DESPITE the schisms), as in gospel preaching and the like. Not to mention you deliberately, and knowingly went around history to justify misinformation. That is essentially lying on purpose.
As a side note, your original link has no connection at all, so it shows you are just looking for something to justify nothing.
That being said, the focus originally was about FACTS over OPINION. Just this IBSA thing alone, you made an unproven statement. You later tried to use the above to justify yourself which ultimately puts you in error.
Again, misinformation, misconception, opinions with no factual backing.
You asked before what it takes to achieve knowledge and or understanding of core teachings, the answer was very simple - Research. In this case, only a few seconds of searching, which you could have done instead of jumping to your own conclusions, which was seen as a bluff.
What makes it even worse now, in regards to Witness' remark, you just proved the GB to be in the right when it comes to people jumping to conclusions without having all the facts and going about listening to misinformation to draw your own conclusion, mainly from things that former witnesses use and conjure up some narrative to intertwined it with something; mixing what is seen by the public with false information.
There is a saying we have in the US, that fits this type of situation - Congratulations, you just played yourself. 
Anyway, it is very easy to find the activities of the other groups in regards to their gospel spreading, etc. as is the difference between them; from the Associated Bible Student Factions and the Free Bible Student Factions, as well as apart from the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Free Man group, again with DBSA, their recent activities, in example (http://www.dawnbible.com/2021/2108cl-1.htm), likewise with what was quoted before.
That real estate notation is irrelevant. If it was International (definition - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/international), it would not be secluded to the UK only, likewise with your latter link, which goes a contradiction on your part.
That being said, if the IBSA existed today, there wouldn't even be groups that came out of it, which is why I asked you to answer question 1 and 2. IBSA would still be active, even maintain their Restorationists roots and go about how those in Restorationism operate - The DBSA would not exist, The Layman's and the Free Man, or any of the Associated/Free Bible Student groups would not exist because they'd all already be under the umbrella of the IBSA, an international group with the same motive and operation. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses would not exist, nor the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" would ever be given at all. There wouldn't be any Schisms, no Rutherford or anyone else, etc. But that, my friend, is in a different realm of reality, an imaginative one, a "What If" type situation.
When you discover time travel, JB, perhaps you can do whatever you wish, alter the timeline so to speak.
All that said, you show yourself an example of someone who goes about unproven things, misinformation and the like - and now, it is shown for all to see, so you should have kept that IBSA card tucked away in your pockets, so to speak.

I have carefully read the preceding conspiracy theories, opinions, conjectures, observations, wild-ass guesses, and delusional paranoid nattering nabobs of negativity, and would like to offer an alternative explanations to the more prevalent fantasys being extolled and advocated here .........
 

.... words are often a mere shadow of their true meaning ....

lol you can't be serious? The link says international bible students, but the website in question is an archived database of what the IBSA was when it existed. IF you are trying to humor me, you just did.
Evidence to that is archived information with no updates, the website even tells you they do not produce anything. That statement you stated says who are the Bible students, it does not make any indication of the IBSA itself, granted, from the IBSA several groups were formed, in this case, the Jehovah's Witnesses.
More so history isn't your strong point, and you simply set yourself up badly here.
There has not been any update on that website, and it has a collection and even archives of what was professed by them and others, i.e. links takes you elsewhere to information that isn't in associated with IBSA. The links relay to other sources that isn't of IBSA, more so, does not even associate with IBSA. and it is not secure (very telling when source is checked, meaning anything can be put there).
Something tells me you pulled the first item off of a google search, when to the "about" page to copy that quote. Therefore - You sought to Excalibur, but you found a wooden sword instead.
This also pushes the fact that to Res Lite's credit, and the evidence, the group broken into different groups, as shown here, this picture below can also be found online for the general public to see.
There are 5 Associated Bible Students, DBSA is included among them, then there are the Free Bible Students, 3, making it a total of 8. Max number being 11, which includes the Laymen's, Jehovah's Witnesses, and The Free Man Group. There are other groups that came out of the Associated and Free branches, but I am focusing on the early ones of which DBSA is a part of.
 
                                   
 
That being said, you walked into a bear trap with this one for your claim. Let's see if you can hold to your so called source.
2 Questions for you since you provided this link:
Question 1 - If the IBSA is present today as you claim, then why do Free and Associated Bible Students and the latter, such as groups similar to DBSA exist after the schisms?? If the IBSA existed, there wouldn't be a need for such groups and JWs would not even be here. 
Question - 2 From your link, as you claim the IBSA is active today, can you name a few updates from the years 2020 and 2021? What updates have they done so far concerning God and or Scripture (Remember - the IBSA was a unified group since it's inception)? I can give you a list of DBSA activities [1950-1963], even recent updates [2020-2021], I have information on the other ones, but since I brought forth Res Lite, he will be my example. They differ from other Bible Students as well as the JWs themselves.
In fact, here is the most recent information about them:
Clearly this group is active.
So I will wait since you want to make make the claim.
As pointed out,
You'll have to explain why you suggest the IBSA exist today when there are different associated and free Bible students that came out of them, as well as the JWs. For if they existed, the JWs may not have even been existing as we speak.
Second, you stated they are active despite the fact their time has passed. If they are active as you claim, can you bring up any recent activity from them, by quotation and a source?
That is what is on the table right now.
I'll wait. and there is a meme for that one too, which seems to be right for this occasion:
                                                         
 
Also other facts, which shows us the IBSA eventually broke into various groups (You do not have to read it but it is here so people can see your folly)
 

http://www.internationalbiblestudents.org/
Who are the Bible Students?"
The association of International Bible Students has existed continuously since the days of Pastor Charles Taze Russell to the present. In Brother Russell's day, the IBSA was a cooperative association of Bible Student congregations worldwide, all united by the common beliefs taught in Brother Russell's Studies in the Scriptures series. The Watchtower was merely a publishing house and lecture service, with NO central control over these thousands of associated, but independent congregations.
I presume this is out of date then ? 
 

Where is your evidence concerning the ideas? If you paid attention the focus was on their view, and the outside views are merely secondary, even those that pretend your former faith.
Date pertaining to what? Because you confused various events with God's Day 3 times now. This is why you were called out when you used Mark 13:32, which has nothing to do with 120/2034 concerning Genesis 6:3-4 for some.
If Rando was pointing directly to God's Day, likewise with Res and @JW Insider, then you'd have a case here. There are a group of people who believe 2034 is God's Day, and these folks aren't JWs, in fact, the link I cited yesterday even proves that. ExJws attest that JWs alluded to and believe God's Day will take place in 2034, pushing the notation that they made this claim and or pushed this idea.
In Rando's case he seems more focused on fulfillment and events as is warnings that correlate with Noah's Day. Even more evidence to that is from the 2003 Watchtower, which was linked (only took minimum research to find) of which the focus concerning Noah derives from, yet you ignored it. Here it is again - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003923
The irony here is you link JW stuff from time to time, why not this one?
You say this now, yet you earnestly attempt to speak of Newton.
The notation of 2034 did not originate with Jehovah's Witnesses. If you have people like Isaac Newton going about it, this alone shows it predates even the founder of the Bible Students himself. So much so, even modern Day Bible Students by their notation constitutes to that.
That being said, it can be said here that the Jehovah's Witnesses went on with what pastor Russell himself came to understand, and to JWI's credit - his findings was on point, clear cut.
Why question when the information and findings are presented? The real question is did you even bother to read said findings that JWI brought up (the thread of which he mentioned you in).
This is minor but this 2034 year is so spoken of by those in the religious space, that it was allegedly found in a graphic video game novel, ironically enough, with JWs being a faction.
I'm suggesting that those who dive into misconceptions tend to come up with their own ideas and opinions about something or someone without research, discernment, etc. This is highly evident with how you are utterly unaware of Strong's and context at times, which you exposed yourself in this matter; others merely call it out.
Ok if the matter is this important, can you tell us HOW and WHY @BroRando came up with this conclusion?
So now you spin a contradiction. Here you say they are right and or wrong at times, but other times you say they are wrong 100%?, often times constantly mentioned GB, csa, and a list of other things - Which is it?
No, that isn't the general consensus of this forum. A FORUM is a discussion space, this one in particular is just as that, and it was a place of debate before all the changes.
In this discussion, we are focused on the 2034 notation, and the misinformation pieces brought up and Traditions of Men, which you brought up, but cannot even bring forth evidence to.
It does not matter if you are currently a Jehovah's Witness, or a former, what matters is information.
If you read my comments, you'd know what I am pointing to. You do not have to agree/disagree with JWs, but to go about misinformation only allows for others to be misguided, confused and start spouting opinions can most often be unproven. Even outside of the JW faith, this is the same with those who spread misinformation or their own ill opinion about Scripture.
Not once I mentioned the religious leaders directly, so where are you drawing this statement?
Yet here you are confusing various events of fulfillment with God's Day. If you looked at what JWI's comments, you'd see what his conclusions were exactly in regards to Rando.
The fact you made this statement ultimately proves that you didn't even bother to read, let alone the comments made against you on that thread - I even quoted JWI, interestingly you did not catch that.
International Bible Students had since pass. Where have you been? Such ones are called the DBSA best known as Dawn Bible Students Association. They're often called Russellites (which they do not refer to themselves as such because it is Sectarian). Outside of JWs, they are the ones to defend Russell with extreme prejudice - mostly semi active in the US and in the UK.
Res Lite is a, in his words, Hellbent on Finding truth to the Scriptures. Res Lite is a Christian who studied Russell for a long time, 7-8 decades of research and study, and often comes to blows with JWs who do not know Russell too well and ExJWs who attack Bible Students. Res Lite does not like ExJWs due to what happened back in 2017, as is, with those attempting to claim that he is a Freemason, which that in of itself is false and misinformation often promoted by former JWs and weaponized to use against current Jehovah's Witnesses (and DBSAs, as is with Yah followers). Some DBSAs other than Res have put some of their findings out there, mainly to bring a gap, as to others, they invest their lives in the past.
You think? The known information is fact. Again, it does not take that much time to do quick research.
JWs are new, they were originally Bible Students. After the death of Pastor Russell, Rutherford took over, and it wasn't until the late 1920s - early 1930s, the name change from Bible Students to Jehovah's Witnesses took place.
How are you so sure they removed all books?
Ok, and what point are you suggesting that they say new light? Again, Restorationists are this common when they come to a new discovery in Scripture or an understanding of something.
How is it new light if it was most likely brought up by those who predate Bible Students themselves?
The difference between the views of 2034 are mentioned already - Rando was put into 1 out of the 3 categories, Newton and the others, which can easily be identified.
One can only see this if they have a basic understanding of Rando's view and what JWI made note to.
For it is known that various things are to take place before God's Day, of which we do not know the time and day, of which Mark 13:32 actually fits.
So that being said, if Rando fits the second one, why are you stating he is suggesting something totally different? As mentioned you made the claim 3 times.
 

NAILS OR NAIL, HANDS OR WRISTS, AND OTHER SUCH SCRIPTURES. HOW DO CHRISTIANS KNOW WHAT IS TRUE ?
The ONLY reason such considerations are important is judging the credibility of those who claim to have "special insight" about such things, and who in doing so enhance their own authority and perception of their alleged wisdom.
other than that .... the IMPORTANT thing is that Christ did die for the forgiveness of our sins.
Nail or Nails, Hands or Wrists .... who gives a cat's coughed-up fur balls?  ..... the ONLY way to judge a religion is this:
                        "Is it in the long term best interests of Civilization?"
How THAT is judged is , Is it fair, honest, kind, and equitable ...peaceable, courageous, valiant and virtuous?  And noble.
.... and most important, Righteousness .... that is ... doing good because it is God's will to do good.
It is not important if Jesus was stapled to a cardboard shipping container.
.... not really.
 

The truth cannot be long hidden for the righteous of heart.


One should note as for hands and wrists:

Crownjewel82 from CSE - The word used in the Bible can mean any part of the hand or arm. People who study crucifixion in general found that the nails most often went through the wrist and that the weight of the body would cause the nail to tear through the flesh of the hand as is most commonly depicted in Christian art. Thus, a fairly common view is that the nails actually went through the wrist.

Nail placement
Crucifixion window by Henry E. Sharp, 1872, in St. Matthew's German Evangelical Lutheran Church, Charleston, South Carolina In popular depictions of the crucifixion of Jesus (possibly because in translations of John 20:25 the wounds are described as being "in his hands"), Jesus is shown with nails in his hands. But in Greek the word "χείρ", usually translated as "hand", could refer to the entire portion of the arm below the elbow,[38] and to denote the hand as distinct from the arm some other word could be added, as "ἄκρην οὔτασε χεῖρα" (he wounded the end of the χείρ, i.e., "he wounded her in the hand".[39]

Notes - Crucifixion - Wikipedia

It is. You needlessly complicate it by being overly exacting, excessively unforgiving, and too enamored with your own righteousness.
“NAILS OR NAIL, HANDS OR WRISTS, AND OTHER SUCH SCRIPTURES. HOW DO CHRISTIANS KNOW WHAT IS TRUE ?”
They can’t. They need a True Anointed to explain everything. In the meantime, it’s important not to do anything except complain.
Whatever happened to “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door?” (Luke 13:24) He didn’t say wait for the doorman to ease your way in.
 

I seconded this.
That being said, if Paul did have a dog, or a number of dogs, the likelihood of him being attacked while preaching the gospel would be reduce.

According to Scripture, the troubling events before the conclusion of the End Times, which is why it correlates with why Noah's Day is the focus point. For in his day, people heard the message and did not pay it any mind until the Great Flood. This, as stated to JB, is akin to present day in which the same mentality and action is taking place, even concerning the gospel, like in Noah's Day, people react as they are, some listen, some do not.
Not knowing the day, is fine, for it keeps one on their feet in the faith so they do not stumble, and for those who stumble, they can stand back up (Proverbs 24:16). Not to mention that God's Christ instructed the preaching of the gospel, so it is a call for us to take total seriousness in the Great Commission, something of which a few cannot do properly and or ignore it altogether, as to others, they understand the Commission, but preaching things outside of core Christian teachings. The Gospel, is to be shared with all, men, women, and children, even of other faiths should they be misguided in the Christianity of Constantine, in addition to that, what JB cannot understand is, the backgrounds and culture of everyone is different, so you cannot simply go about to preach to so and so, so one would need to apply Apostle Paul's example as shown in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.
Emotion in this sense results in people giving into their own misgivings. Like that of Anakin becoming Vader, it was, in this analogy, one going berserk in their own feelings thus being in total disregard to even to a pebble of truth.
Men are imperfect, at times they do not know what they are doing at times until it becomes a reality and or until they find some positive resolve. Something of which I deal with for a while now when aiding to a community I have been a part of for sometime. Some of the people, mainly children, got it rough, the reach one teach one solution is beneficial. Such ones also rejoice in principles from Scripture that helps them become better too.
As I pointed out to JB, JWs and a few others bring up 2034 time and time again in regards to events of the End Times, to others, Jesus' return, to some, God's Day, but going with Noah's Day, it seems to equate more to events to come as pointed out, more so, in turns of warning before anything big beyond our knowing comes to pass.
The irony of all this is that the United Nations have plans for the 2030s. Granted with the pandemic ongoing, people do not pay attention to their movements. Babylon isn't too far behind.
As I told @Arauna some Christians, concerning persecution, can break like glass smashing against a stone if they are not strong enough, and knowing the history of your faith with the Nazis, it wouldn't be surprise some fall prior to any events and or God's Day. I say this because of what Babylon the Great did in 2016 with just Mainstream Christianity alone. And of course when friends and family becoming foes, in the coming days.
Many of us Truthers know this, even the late Solider of God, who he himself is chosen, said this. This is why it is wise to know who is friend or foe in those days when people can easily become weak.
That being said, 2034 has been talked about by many, a few times on CSE it was brought up, even by, surpassingly, Catholics, 2034 Easter celebration, for them they are looking at April 9, 2034.
 
Not important but there was a 3 way wrestling match with LDS/JWs/Ex-JWs from 2004 I found, which talks about 2034, and the article in question I cited to @Patiently waiting for Truth as cited here - https://www.christianforums.com/threads/i-know-nothing-about-jw.722579/page-5
Some Mainstream Christians saw 2034 as the second coming, as cited here; although they added things here that do not make sense, let alone the claim of being inspired:
If my dream was from God, and I believe it was, then it means that Jesus is returning around the year 2034 which is about fourteen years from now! Hallelujah. Now, let us do the maths of this dream. Because her baby who is nine months old in 2020 was about twelve years old in the dream, we must add about eleven to the year 2020. This takes us to about 2031. Further recall that in this dream the Anti-Christ had about three and a half years before Jesus’ return. So, to the year about 2031, we must add three and a half years. This takes us to about 2034/5! My dream was in 2014. It pointed to about 2034 as the year Jesus would return. Elizabeth’s dream was also in 2014; it also pointed to about 2034. Six years later in 2020, Esther who did not know the details of either mine or Elizabeth’s dream also had a dream that pointed her to about 2035. Is this all just coincidence? Or could it be that the Devil is ‘playing’ with the three of us? Most probably not. (source) So many people are waiting, even elderly folks. But as stated, I do not think it has anything pertaining to God's Day of which we do not know.
 

Dogs were ceremonially unclean animals and not likely to have been pets in Jewish homes.  They were wild carnivorous animals.  Job a non-Jew had flocks of dogs, but none are mentioned among Jewish shepherds.
Look it it in the Insight Book.  
Paul was from Jewish background, so his customs would have been Jewish, although later he came to embrace all nations of men.  It would be unlikely that Paul would have been accompanied by something revolting to the Jews.  He had enough problems already and a dog accompanying him would not have helped. 
Interesting, but not particularly beneficial to pursue this.

The article in question may have been used out of context by some, in regards to the 120 range of years, people go to this article. So in regards to what you said and this article it can easily be deduced to warning events and the like, hence what I mentioned to Srecko. I am still researching on more that Reslite mentioned, as is the Bible students concerning 2034, because for them, they fit your view along with Newton's view

Well it isn't too far fetched. I am doing some more digging into this again, even going back to CSE; found out Catholics talked about this too, hence April 9, 2034, Saint Casilda.
The more I go down this tomb, the more information I find. Not only do other Christians speak of 2034 besides JWs, but the only person to predate everyone in this regard is Isaac Newton.
It is noted that:
End of the world vs. start of the millennial kingdom

In his posthumously-published Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John, Newton expressed his belief that Bible prophecy would not be understood "until the time of the end", and that even then "none of the wicked shall understand". Referring to that as a future time ("the last age, the age of opening these things, be now approaching"), Newton also anticipated "the general preaching of the Gospel be approaching" and "the Gospel must first be preached in all nations before the great tribulation, and end of the world".[38]
Over the years, a large amount of media attention and public interest has circulated regarding largely unknown and unpublished documents, evidently written by Isaac Newton, that indicate he believed the world could end in 2060. While Newton also had many other possible dates (e.g. 2034),[39] he did not believe that the end of the world would take place specifically in 2060.[40]
[38]    Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John by Sir Isaac Newton, 1733, J. DARBY and T. BROWNE, Online  
[39]     Snobelen, Stephen D. "Statement on the date 2060". Archived from the original on 15 October 2013. Retrieved 4 February 2014.  
[40]    "A time and times and the dividing of times": Isaac Newton, the Apocalypse and 2060 AD Snobelen, S Can J Hist (2003) vol 38 Archived 21 February 2014 at the Wayback Machine  
So there seems to be 3 views for 2034
Those who believe the End of the World is to take place; God's Day taking place. Those who believe that events concerning fulfillment is to take place. Those who believe Jesus will actually appear, a second coming, prior to God's Day.  
Seeing what Rando is talking about, he fits in the second description, granted he speaks of Noah's Day.

You give up when someone checks you. I refute because you refuse to understand what is mentioned, and you do not adhere to context, this goes back to you not knowing what a man girdled up actually met, likewise with anything pertaining to Strong's.
For a man who seeks God, perhaps take your head out of the jar of which your former faith is, and actually do the research; when you asked about "Core Teachings of Christianity", the answer to that was of total seriousness.
That being said, that comment of yours can easily be reverse uno-carded back to you with one link. So thread carefully - and clearly with everything and anything you uttered, is in the deck in question.
That being said, Jesus was a sympathetic person, he does not shift himself, likewise to those who express the same towards him, willing to listen. They do not shift like the sea after a few moments - Hebrews 4:15.
We're not talking about inspiration. We are talking about opinions and facts here, and you are only repeating yourself.
Let's take Jehovah's Witnesses out of the equation - How did you confuse, and or not discern the difference Traditions of Men vs. Christian Traditions? Someone who understands context, and all facts pertaining to Scripture would easily be able to discern what is what, and why this is, and how something has come to be.
Clearly if one has the spirit, they would not go on a tangent of something that can be discerned quickly.
JB, we all read what Rando has said. I merely pointed out that others, even modern day Bible Students mentioned that year in relations to events. Noticed you left that part out.
SM -  it isn't too far-fetched because although not anything pertaining to God's Day, there are those who hold an expectation of something that is to take place in 2034, series of events
So much so both Reslite and JWI were mentioned, as is cited - which you could have easily skipped to that and read it.
Now, you are now confusing the events concerning fulfillment in connection with the Christ with God's Day. If you read what Reslite and JWI mentioned, you would not interject with your own assumption - as stated, going upon your own opinions can be dangerous, in this case, damaging towards you.
Examples below:
JWI - However, there were a few months between November 1913 and July 1914 when Russell admitted that he was questioning his own expectations about 1914, and he even suggested that perhaps things could just go on for another century, and he wondered what people might think of all these predictions "100 years from now" (which would be 2014). Another time he mentioned what things might still be like if the time of trouble went on for 120 years (which would bring one to 2034).... Russell did not really think anything specific was supposed to happen in either 2014 or 2034. Russell gave no specific significance to those periods except to make the point that he no longer had as much confidence in the 1914 date.
Reslite - Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. Some Bible Students believe that it is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end.
That being said, you quoting Mark 13:32 (rf. Matt. 24:36, Mark 13:31, Acts 1:7), this is concerning God's Day, for if you forgot, it is in regards to Armageddon.
In Rando's case, the 120 year is in connection with Genesis 6:3-4, concerning Noah's Day into the 1914 notation held by JWs.
Do you hold on to that statement boldly? Because all your remarks, claims, assumptions and the like including reactions can be cited.
If that was the case, that sympathetic counsel from before would have stuck instead of you going around it as, showing that fact that it met nothing.
You are woefully incorrect, for not too long ago a meme made made you react in this manner. All the other things, even the citation from the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) resulted in you making a similar claim as to what you said in regards to the meme.
For if none of such were true, I would not make such a statement.
All I need is a quote and a link, as with the other remark.
That isn't assertiveness. Being assertive is finding the right balance between passivity and aggression. It means having a strong sense of oneself and your value, and acknowledging that one deserve to get what they sought after, achieving. If you were true to your own words, as stated before a meme would not cause you to react in that manner, an assertive person would simply brush it off, and not shut himself away from something so minor and meaningless.
This isn't a judgement, it is clear discernment. If someone reacts in such a manner, and in their choice of words, it shows, thus all remarks in this regard is true.
I haven't chosen to "hound you" I corrected you on a few Strong's then you added tacked on all the other stuff, knowing that I'd respond to it, as seen on page 5. It is already known by you how I am with Strong's.
It isn't about Tom or Arauna. It is about the FACTS. I mentioned them because you are always intertwined with them in nearly all discussion, even for the period of absence.
Going back to page 1 regarding Noah's Day, you claim of assertiveness is pretty much null too due to you even mentioning Arauna when it was not necessary to do so, and this was not the first time, you do this with others.
Your issue is, you want everything to be as so, no one to show factual information and to accept as is. Truthers do not run with that mindset, mainly to those who relentlessly defend Scripture and core teachings and practices of the apostolic church, as is, with calling out those who speak misconception of someone or something.
Discernment tells a different story, hence why I uphold 1 John 4:1. Jesus always wants his followers to be truthful. It is problematic to answer to falsehood and professing it, likewise to go about things deemed unproven, such as you not really knowing what the term Tradition of Men is, and equating it to something else. More so, you being a former Jehovah's Witness, who do not even know as to how your own operate in a setting where people of different backgrounds and culture react to someone who isn't like them.
That being said, do the research and look into all sources of information in regards to what Rando is talking about. If you did your DD, you find this - Watchtower 2003 December 15 pp.14-19 Our Watchfulness Takes On Greater Urgency [https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003923]
Regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses, this is where the viewpoint originated from concerning events; warning signs of the End Times, according to them.
EDIT:
Ah yes there it is, the reaction. latter is null, which was proven once again.

According to Scripture, the troubling events before the conclusion of the End Times, which is why it correlates with why Noah's Day is the focus point. For in his day, people heard the message and did not pay it any mind until the Great Flood. This, as stated to JB, is akin to present day in which the same mentality and action is taking place, even concerning the gospel, like in Noah's Day, people react as they are, some listen, some do not.
Not knowing the day, is fine, for it keeps one on their feet in the faith so they do not stumble, and for those who stumble, they can stand back up (Proverbs 24:16). Not to mention that God's Christ instructed the preaching of the gospel, so it is a call for us to take total seriousness in the Great Commission, something of which a few cannot do properly and or ignore it altogether, as to others, they understand the Commission, but preaching things outside of core Christian teachings. The Gospel, is to be shared with all, men, women, and children, even of other faiths should they be misguided in the Christianity of Constantine, in addition to that, what JB cannot understand is, the backgrounds and culture of everyone is different, so you cannot simply go about to preach to so and so, so one would need to apply Apostle Paul's example as shown in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.
Emotion in this sense results in people giving into their own misgivings. Like that of Anakin becoming Vader, it was, in this analogy, one going berserk in their own feelings thus being in total disregard to even to a pebble of truth.
Men are imperfect, at times they do not know what they are doing at times until it becomes a reality and or until they find some positive resolve. Something of which I deal with for a while now when aiding to a community I have been a part of for sometime. Some of the people, mainly children, got it rough, the reach one teach one solution is beneficial. Such ones also rejoice in principles from Scripture that helps them become better too.
As I pointed out to JB, JWs and a few others bring up 2034 time and time again in regards to events of the End Times, to others, Jesus' return, to some, God's Day, but going with Noah's Day, it seems to equate more to events to come as pointed out, more so, in turns of warning before anything big beyond our knowing comes to pass.
The irony of all this is that the United Nations have plans for the 2030s. Granted with the pandemic ongoing, people do not pay attention to their movements. Babylon isn't too far behind.
As I told @Arauna some Christians, concerning persecution, can break like glass smashing against a stone if they are not strong enough, and knowing the history of your faith with the Nazis, it wouldn't be surprise some fall prior to any events and or God's Day. I say this because of what Babylon the Great did in 2016 with just Mainstream Christianity alone. And of course when friends and family becoming foes, in the coming days.
Many of us Truthers know this, even the late Solider of God, who he himself is chosen, said this. This is why it is wise to know who is friend or foe in those days when people can easily become weak.
That being said, 2034 has been talked about by many, a few times on CSE it was brought up, even by, surpassingly, Catholics, 2034 Easter celebration, for them they are looking at April 9, 2034.
 
Not important but there was a 3 way wrestling match with LDS/JWs/Ex-JWs from 2004 I found, which talks about 2034, and the article in question I cited to @Patiently waiting for Truth as cited here - https://www.christianforums.com/threads/i-know-nothing-about-jw.722579/page-5
Some Mainstream Christians saw 2034 as the second coming, as cited here; although they added things here that do not make sense, let alone the claim of being inspired:
If my dream was from God, and I believe it was, then it means that Jesus is returning around the year 2034 which is about fourteen years from now! Hallelujah. Now, let us do the maths of this dream. Because her baby who is nine months old in 2020 was about twelve years old in the dream, we must add about eleven to the year 2020. This takes us to about 2031. Further recall that in this dream the Anti-Christ had about three and a half years before Jesus’ return. So, to the year about 2031, we must add three and a half years. This takes us to about 2034/5! My dream was in 2014. It pointed to about 2034 as the year Jesus would return. Elizabeth’s dream was also in 2014; it also pointed to about 2034. Six years later in 2020, Esther who did not know the details of either mine or Elizabeth’s dream also had a dream that pointed her to about 2035. Is this all just coincidence? Or could it be that the Devil is ‘playing’ with the three of us? Most probably not. (source) So many people are waiting, even elderly folks. But as stated, I do not think it has anything pertaining to God's Day of which we do not know.